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TelinArtho 11-08-06, 11:46 AM	Fights of the Week: November 8th Sheets Deadline for editing characters sheets is 21:00 CET. Central European Time (http://wwp.centraleuropeantime.eu/) shows the time. Please don't edit the sheet after the deadline or you will lose the match. Rules of Gladius All that you need to know is written in the Rules of Gladius. It could be useful also to give a look to the Court Decisions part 1 and part 2. Please do not make fake accounts or insult the Elders. Pairings GM Caterane will pair the active Characters of Gladius after the deadline. Make sure that your character is not in Prison (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=571107&goto=lastpost). Pitlording You should use the CoCo Dice Roller (http://www.hwx.it/wizards.com) for the fight. If you need, there is a nice Template ready to use that will help. You could find very useful the Battle Map Tag Generator (http://www.hwx.it/coco) for dynamic Maps, You must post a link to your fight in this thread when it is complete. Other useful links are Skills and Feats, Quick Access tables for XP and Gold. If a fight needs to be rerun, the Pitlord has to inform the Pitlords account. He cannot react to requests from Players because the other player and the pitlord might disagree. He has no time to read the fight and the discussion. Please keep that in mind. PMs from players with rerun requests won't have an impact. Recent News and Developments TBA Comments & Concerns Post any comments or concerns for this weeks fights in this thread. Be kind and courteous to your fellow posters, don't attack pitlords. Please remember that they do hard work and consume a lot of time to let you play and above all, have FUN! If you have questions or comments on any of the changes, please make your posts be heard in the Council of Gladius!
TelinArtho 11-08-06, 11:47 AM	@Zevox and Vath - get me tactics ASAP. Looks like it will be on the arena map and obviously we need to get things resolved as soon as possible. @Sauro - I'll send Jar-red's tactics along once I get an answer from Cat about Poe's used expendables from the first fight.
Caterane 11-08-06, 12:16 PM	Who's Zevox' Questlord?
TelinArtho 11-08-06, 12:31 PM	@Sauro - tactics for Jar-red have been sent.
MindWandererB 11-08-06, 12:51 PM	Who's Zevox' Questlord? SauroGrenom. It's in Istima's title line.
TelinArtho 11-08-06, 03:39 PM	In case anyone didn't know - the time for the deadline has come and gone. If you're still editing your character for this week... well - you're late.
Vathelokai 11-08-06, 04:14 PM	Writing tactics for Antalya vs Minderal as you read this. Should be done by 3:40 CST
Vathelokai 11-08-06, 04:26 PM	Tactics for uncon runner up battle sent. If you don't hear from zevox, there is a possibility you could run my half first and see if Minderel even has a chance.
TelinArtho 11-08-06, 04:29 PM	Well, Zevox is usually pretty prompt with his tactics - so I'll be a little more patient than that...
Zevox 11-08-06, 04:34 PM	Speaking of which, that should be in your PM box now Telin. And I think you're overestimating your chances there Vath ;) . The first round will be key, but even if it goes your way Mindrel has a more than reasonable chance. Unless you're pulling something way out of left field, of course. Zevox
Vathelokai 11-08-06, 04:35 PM	Shoot! I was hoping for the easy win. :P Left field is my specialty! This one will be quick, but yes, first round is key. Lucky me and my mad dex bonus.
TelinArtho 11-08-06, 04:36 PM	Yup - received. Good luck to you both. I might even have the time to run it now... we'll see and no promises though.
TelinArtho 11-08-06, 05:35 PM	UnCon Antalya the Dolphin-Maid (Vathelokai) vs Mindrel Starmaster (Zevox) As expected - a quick run. I have to say - I like both of these builds and am very curious on how well they'll do in the general populace - good luck to both of you in the future. [EDIT] Oh and Cat - since I'm done with this one - go ahead and assign me another fight if you need a pitlord.
Pitlords 11-08-06, 06:07 PM	PAIRINGS DONE +6: Vath, Cat +4: Sauro +3: McJarvis, Uther +2: Krytos, TM, MWB, Zevox +1: Abyssal, DSugui, DTF, Gonbow, Hiruma, hogarth, Kaigan, Macbrea, Maraxus, Telin, Zelck, Niqil Only 2 Pitlords left-over. Doesn't encourage to lift the State of Emergency. @Macbrea/Zevox/DSugui: Little Experiment. Pitlord sends the monster info to the team player who writes tactics for it. It's actually the same mechanic as an Escort+Guardian Operation.
Macbrea 11-08-06, 06:11 PM	Hmm, this should be an odd fight. So, Zevox any chance I get to know who my partner is before stepping into the arena against Little Daisy?
Gonbow 11-08-06, 06:35 PM	@Caterane So I'll run my (Rusty Ryan (UserNamer) vs. Unknown Monster : Gonbow [Temple]) monster fight normally doing the tactics for the monsters myself, yes? Just double-checking.
Macbrea 11-08-06, 06:38 PM	yup, you roll up monster, if it gets gear you buy it gear (preferably before looking at your opponent) then write figure out it's tactics for dealing with the character
MindWandererB 11-08-06, 07:02 PM	@hogarth: Tactics for the big, landbound lug against the annoying pixie have been sent. I hope for your sake that Maraxus comes up with something stunningly brilliant, or else this could be a very, very long fight. (Of course, I hope for my sake that he doesn't, but meh.) Edit: Supplement sent, too.
Macbrea 11-08-06, 07:17 PM	@Gonbow: Have a feeling this weeks fight might be alittle tougher for Tatyanna then last weeks. Could be all those trees in the way! Desciption of Opponent: Three Arab men with bows Set-up can be found here
Gonbow 11-08-06, 07:39 PM	@Gonbow: Have a feeling this weeks fight might be alittle tougher for Tatyanna then last weeks. Could be all those trees in the way! Desciption of Opponent: Three Arab men with bows Set-up can be found here Trees? What trees? Oh you mean the 'unattended objects' that will be temporarially removed from the map by a kineticist with lots of PP to spend? Yes, I suppose ^_^ @UserNamer: Your setup is here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10599332&postcount=219), best of luck.
Highfire 11-08-06, 07:51 PM	Hi guys, sorry it's been such a long absence. A lot of things hit me harder than I expected, it was all I could do to keep up with my previous responsibilities, and my pbp's. But I am officially Withdrawing from the CoCo. I may come back in the future but cannot handle the time it takes to sort through all the nitty gritty rules, it drains all the fun from me. I want to thank you all though as my short time here has clarified some rules for me that help me enjoy my other games more. I am also withdrawing Kyst Depthice. ~Justin
Maraxus 11-08-06, 07:58 PM	Okay, Tactics for my characters are out and I have one important question about the fight I'm going to be pitlording: Now, where do I find the list, I roll the monster on, I saw CoCo had it's own, right?
Zelck 11-08-06, 08:02 PM	YES! Walden so dodged a bullet by not having to fight Little Daisy and her +19 Spot eagle. Although fighting a guildmate is not cool...
MindWandererB 11-08-06, 08:03 PM	Okay, Tactics for my characters are out and I have one important question about the fight I'm going to be pitlording: Now, where do I find the list, I roll the monster on, I saw CoCo had it's own, right? That would be here.
Macbrea 11-08-06, 08:34 PM	That's it Little Daisy is going to loose to Izumi and her little pet!
Gonbow 11-08-06, 08:51 PM	@Macbrea Tactics sent. Might be a little long >.>
Zevox 11-08-06, 09:08 PM	Blech, damn grapples. I hate that mechanic. I kinda expected that (well, with the Pegasus anyway, I didn't think Antayla would try it too), but its still annoying... oh well. Oh, but btw Telin, Mindrel is male. And we don't get or lose anything for the UnCon fights. @ Anyone - Did we have a new ECL 6 monster chart made yet? I thought someone had done it, but its not been put into the Rules thread if so, and I can't find it in the Council... Zevox
MindWandererB 11-08-06, 09:14 PM	@ Anyone - Did we have a new ECL 6 monster chart made yet? I thought someone had done it, but its not been put into the Rules thread if so, and I can't find it in the Council...Abyssal made one, but noticed some mistakes in it and deleted it (page 23 of the Council). So, no.
NiQil 11-08-06, 11:03 PM	@ Abyssal Stalker: Tactics for Atalan sent via PM. There is an issue that needs to be addressed prior to the fight being run at the top of my PM so please check it ASAP. @ DSugui: Tactics for Axhind sent via PM. Same thing....there are issues at the top of my PM about some things that should be addressed prior to the fight being run.
renlim 11-08-06, 11:33 PM	@Hirumajoe - Tactics sent for Corbin Nightwalker in fight; Corbin Nightwalker (renlim) vs. Roy Kadeer (Krytos)
Zevox 11-08-06, 11:51 PM	@ Macbrea/DSugui - Monster info sent. Have I mentioned lately how much I hate random monster rolls? :( @ Krytos - I'll write up tactics for Mithos and PM them tomorrow afternoon. Zevox
Vathelokai 11-09-06, 04:06 AM	Blech, damn grapples. I hate that mechanic. I kinda expected that (well, with the Pegasus anyway, I didn't think Antayla would try it too), but its still annoying... oh well. Zevox Yeah; I kept thinking that if I just went for full attacks, you could just take the 5 ft back and cast hold person. Had to use something to stop you from casting, and that was all that was handy.
Pitlords 11-09-06, 04:28 AM	Namuh Naht Reggib (svyngn) vs Unknown Monster : TelinArtho [Arena] has been added
Caterane 11-09-06, 04:56 AM	Hi guys, sorry it's been such a long absence. A lot of things hit me harder than I expected, it was all I could do to keep up with my previous responsibilities, and my pbp's. But I am officially Withdrawing from the CoCo. I may come back in the future but cannot handle the time it takes to sort through all the nitty gritty rules, it drains all the fun from me. I want to thank you all though as my short time here has clarified some rules for me that help me enjoy my other games more. I am also withdrawing Kyst Depthice. ~Justin I hope you come back soon. Till swords part...
TheMagister 11-09-06, 06:56 AM	Hey, ya'll! Got called in to work an early day of overtime, so I'm back early. ... Don't everyone cheer at once. :D TM
Sjiggie 11-09-06, 07:30 AM	@ Krytos Tactics for Zerth vs Mithos sent
hogarth 11-09-06, 09:12 AM	@Maraxus, MindWandererB: tactics received for Noko vs. Sunstroke, but I haven't looked them over yet -- I may still require clarification(s)
DSugui 11-09-06, 10:39 AM	@Vathelokai: Tactics (?) for Dronnar sent. @Zevox: Tactics for Daisy sent. @Maraxus: Tactics for Valek sent. @NiQil: Tactics for Achind received. Checking the issues you mentioned right now.
malakaiunseen 11-09-06, 10:43 AM	@ McJarvis Tactics sent for El'enees'ka. GL Hirumajoe. Enjoy hunting drow while you still can...
Vathelokai 11-09-06, 10:49 AM	All tactics recieved for Walden vs. Dronnar. Fight will be done tomorrow morning when I get off work. Should be a quick one.
Vathelokai 11-09-06, 10:50 AM	Hey, ya'll! Got called in to work an early day of overtime, so I'm back early. ... Don't everyone cheer at once. :D TM WooT! Check your guildmail.
TheMagister 11-09-06, 12:05 PM	@Krytos - tactics for Tessero Valis vs. Rolf: ECL3 sent via PM. Should be straightforward. No battleaxe crits! Bad! No! TM
Krytos 11-09-06, 12:45 PM	@Hirumajoe - Tactics sent for Roy vs Corbin: ECL 3 @TM & Sjiggie - Tactics Recieved @Dr.Funk & Zevox - If I can get a full set of tactics soon, I will run one of my fights today.
Hirumajoe 11-09-06, 12:46 PM	@My gladiators: Tactics received. @McJarvis: Tactics sent for Valen Sky.
Zevox 11-09-06, 02:03 PM	@ Krytos - Tactics for Mithos Durrol (vs Zerth) have been PMed. @ DSugui & Macbrea - Tactics for Daisy and Izumi recieved. I'll run that today or tomorrow. Zevox
Krytos 11-09-06, 02:27 PM	@Zevox - Tactics recieved @Zevox and Sjiggie - Beginning fight @ MT and Dr.Funk - I only have time to run 1 fight today, sorry but yours is going to have to wait until later this weekend.
TheMagister 11-09-06, 02:31 PM	S'okay. Dr. Funky is always a little slow with the strateegery. Hey, Telin; can you poke him with a stick? I'd hate to win b/c of late tactics... TM
hogarth 11-09-06, 03:30 PM	@TheMagister: tactics sent for Kilpquabjeg @DSugui: tactics sent for Petr Semchuk (who is my gladiator, not Hirumajoe's)
TelinArtho 11-09-06, 03:38 PM	S'okay. Dr. Funky is always a little slow with the strateegery. Hey, Telin; can you poke him with a stick? I'd hate to win b/c of late tactics... TM Too bad I didn't see this about an hour ago... I just saw him and he probably had the time before hand. I'll see him later on today though - I'll smack him if he doesn't submit them...
Krytos 11-09-06, 04:24 PM	Mithos Durrol (Zevox) vs. Zerth Cenobite (Sjiggie) Fight is up. I'm pretty sure I got the awards right with the ally and the free actions. Let me know if something is not right.
Maraxus 11-09-06, 05:41 PM	I hope nobody ever has too fight 2 real stealthy characters out in the city, my moster and my fighter are both only a bit stealth and it allready took long till they got to buisness. But finally round 9 first attacks are exchanged. :) To bad it got quite late now, I'll finish it tomorrow or Saturday. Maybe one could say, if you like my NPC-monster. :) ... hum, about the details given about monsters: I think, I was okay this time. I really considered writing something like "A small humanoid that reminds you of your 3rd fight, through still a bit diffrent in an unspecifieable way." I guess such would not have been allowed, would it? ;)
svyngn 11-09-06, 07:12 PM	@telinartho: tactics sent.
Ravashack 11-09-06, 09:10 PM	Hmmm... I'd like to submit tactics, but Zelck still hasn't given me any information about the monster(s) (not that I expect a whole lot)...
Zelck 11-09-06, 09:12 PM	OH SHOOT! I didn't even notice I had a monster fight! :embarrass :embarrass I'll roll it right now... EDIT: You see 3 large monsters. Let me put the battle setup up now...
Milov 11-09-06, 09:50 PM	TM - Tactics for Ihdald vs. <unspellable name that starts with a "K"> sent. PM me if there's any issues.
Macbrea 11-09-06, 11:16 PM	Tatyanna vs 3 Janni in a forest can be found here. Is only a short trip back from the plane of fire for her.
Gonbow 11-09-06, 11:47 PM	Tatyanna vs 3 Janni in a forest can be found here. Is only a short trip back from the plane of fire for her. Interesting tactic, however the casting of planeshift (The touching to discharge the spell is part of the casting, it is not a charge-holding spell to allow him to cast, five-step closer, then attack next turn) will provoke an AoO as Tatyana is always threatening with her armor spikes. Additionally, flying movement costs double in the forest map, giving them a movement of 6-squares maximum (running at a speed of 20' when things either cost double or quad; since you cant turn while running... would have it even slower) are you sure they could have reached me that quickly? Especially as it is further shortened by needing to move diagonally.
Ravashack 11-09-06, 11:50 PM	OH SHOOT! I didn't even notice I had a monster fight! :embarrass :embarrass I'll roll it right now... EDIT: You see 3 large monsters. Let me put the battle setup up now... Thanks :) Tactics sent in via PM.
Macbrea 11-10-06, 12:07 AM	I only moved in 6 square movements from turn 6 onward with any of them. They moved in straight lines. As planeshift may be cast on any person touched. He cast the spell and touched Tatyanna. As per the rules. He did take a 5ft step after casting the spell but before touching. You can take a 5-foot step before, during, or after your other actions in the round.
Gonbow 11-10-06, 12:09 AM	I only moved in 6 square movements from turn 6 onward with any of them. They moved in straight lines. As planeshift may be cast on any person touched. He cast the spell and touched Tatyanna. As per the rules. He did take a 5ft step after casting the spell but before touching. EDIT: Orrrr not. Silly 5-step rules. Very well then ^_^
Macbrea 11-10-06, 12:17 AM	Sorry, figured it was the tactics a race of people that are prone to flee from combat might take. It causes the least amount of death and gives them a remote chance against Tatyanna. Oddly, They rolled two 20s on saves vs tatyana's blasts. Sometimes you have to wonder about that crazy die roller.
NiQil 11-10-06, 12:26 AM	Sorry, figured it was the tactics a race of people that are prone to flee from combat might take. It causes the least amount of death and gives them a remote chance against Tatyanna. Oddly, They rolled two 20s on saves vs tatyana's blasts. Sometimes you have to wonder about that crazy die roller. And that would be my signal to chime in once again and remind everyone how much I HATE online die rollers.
Gonbow 11-10-06, 01:10 AM	Oh aye aye, it was certainly a valid tactic; one I didn't expect at least, but that seems to be half the point of monster battles. And I did notice all their high-rolls, yes :P
Abyssal Stalker 11-10-06, 01:24 AM	@ Anyone - Did we have a new ECL 6 monster chart made yet? I thought someone had done it, but its not been put into the Rules thread if so, and I can't find it in the Council... Zevox It's here. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10605913&postcount=779) Needs checking, though. You don't look like Gonbow at all.
Vathelokai 11-10-06, 07:24 AM	Dronnar vs. Walden is up here. I took some liberties with running (or not running) the fight. If anyone wants a more detailed version, then let me know.
DSugui 11-10-06, 08:30 AM	Dronnar vs. Walden is up here. I took some liberties with running (or not running) the fight. If anyone wants a more detailed version, then let me know. Thanks for running, Vath. Only a miracle could win this one for me, so don't worry about this "short version". I have no complaints about it.
Zelck 11-10-06, 10:32 AM	@Vath: I'm fine with the fight. I'll make a post in Elders about the sniping thing; Telekinesis's Violent Thrust option mimics a ranged attack, and other pitlords have allowed it as a snipe. Note that ranged touch spells aren't weapons, but are considered ranged attacks. I can summon animals inside a wall because they're ethereal (not affected by the out of arena penalty since they're just an ally). As for Flyby Attack, using it like you recommended would leave me vulnerable to a readied action since I can't hide while doing it. I have other plans for it... :evillaugh @Ravashack: Last chance to get in any corrections for your tactics...
Macbrea 11-10-06, 10:52 AM	@Vath: I can summon animals inside a wall because they're ethereal (not affected by the out of arena penalty since they're just an ally). You are not able to summons a creature inside a wall because you lack line of effect to the spot your summoning to. And therefore you are unable to target the spot at which the spell will arrive.
hogarth 11-10-06, 10:55 AM	You are not able to summons a creature inside a wall because you lack line of effect to the spot your summoning to. And therefore you are unable to target the spot at which the spell will arrive. It's not targetting a spell, it's throwing a fuzzy ball. You can throw an object to a place you can't see, n'est-ce pas?
Macbrea 11-10-06, 11:08 AM	I would have to disagree with that. Nowhere in it's description does it say the fuzzy ball is ethereal. By the description of the item it produces a small fuzzy ball that can be thrown. Upon reaching its destination it turns into an animal. Throwing a fuzzy ball at a wall causes the animal to form in the square prior to the solid wall.
hogarth 11-10-06, 11:14 AM	I would have to disagree with that. Nowhere in it's description does it say the fuzzy ball is ethereal. It specifically states so in the Rules of Gladius, however. Ghostly equipment stays ethereal and produces ethereal effects. For example, an ethereal bag of tricks or figurine of wondrous power produces ethereal creatures.
Macbrea 11-10-06, 11:19 AM	Errr, didn't realize you where talking about the ghost summoning the animal inside the wall. I thought you were talking about the opponent of the ghost tossing a pet inside the wall with the ghost.
TelinArtho 11-10-06, 12:12 PM	Namuh vs Ignit the Ratman Extraordinaire is done. A much closer fight than I expected.
Gonbow 11-10-06, 12:41 PM	@Usernamer Gomen, but yes I did recieve your tactics. I'll be running the fight tonight, it should be fairly straight-forward.
Maraxus 11-10-06, 02:49 PM	Valek Usher vs a small hairy, blue humanoid is done. One noticable thinks: Loooooots of movement. Round about 2000 ft were move by all combatants together. It was definitly exciting, might be worth a look. PS: Oh, and big :bow: to Dracazar for the MapMaker and die-roller. They are really great.
Zevox 11-10-06, 02:57 PM	Query: In a team fight with a monster, how is the rewards for the team with the monster done? I'm not sure if Izumi should be getting half rewards for her ally, or more (since her ally was just CR 3). Zevox
MindWandererB 11-10-06, 03:04 PM	That's a darn good question. Technically, I think she still just gets half. Of course, if she loses (probable), then there's the reward cap that will probably get in the way anyway.
Zevox 11-10-06, 03:10 PM	Ah yes, reward cap. That solves that then. So, Little Daisy vs Izumi and Giant Wasp is up. Went as everyone expected I think. Zevox
Maraxus 11-10-06, 03:11 PM	Wow, ECL 8 vs ECL 6+3= 6,66. Izumi definitly has a tough job here. Good question, if it was a normal ally, it would make a 18.75% penalty. But with this ruling, a monster of your own level would make strange penalties based on your level and I think this should be more like 50% all the time. Maybe say, that the XP is divided proportional to the level (this sounds like it could be a real rule). So a Level 6 with a level 3 Monster would get 6/(6+3) = 66.6% ... Hm, hopefully someone comes with a clue about this.
Zelck 11-10-06, 03:28 PM	@Ravashack: Last chance to get in any corrections for your tactics... Actually, I might not be able to run it until Monday evening. Got a test to study for...
Macbrea 11-10-06, 04:25 PM	I am pretty sure that was correct in the rewards. If a 3rd and 6th level character fought an 8th level character and won. 6th would get 3600/2 = 1800 xp 3rd would get 5400/2 = 2700 xp Because, Izumi lost she gets 1/3 of that amount or 600 xp. With 600 x 1.11 = 666 gp What was originally rolled would have actually been a much worse fight. 1d6+5 Troglodytes and 1d3 monitor lizards [CR1 & CR2] Assuming maximum: Izumi = 3600/15 = 240xp/3 = 80xp , 88 gp
Zevox 11-10-06, 04:39 PM	The question is more if the rewards are adjusted based on the number of allies you have, or thier CR/EL. If the former, you're right, fights with many monsters for allies would suck for the player. If the latter, well, it'd be nice to know how to calculate that. In any event, the latter could only raise your rewards, but since the cap is 100 xp/level for a loss it wouldn't change it anyway, so the rewards are definitely right in this case. Zevox
TelinArtho 11-10-06, 04:46 PM	Its too bad that the fight composition wasn't questioned more before the fight was run - I certainly didn't notice it. But given the guidelines for an interleague fight, Izumi should have been paired with an ECL6 monster - however it is not clear if that monster should be based on EL or CR at that point. Regardless, the CR3 monster is probably a little too weak on its own to be paired.
Zevox 11-10-06, 04:49 PM	Its too bad that the fight composition wasn't questioned more before the fight was run - I certainly didn't notice it. But given the guidelines for an interleague fight, Izumi should have been paired with an ECL6 monster - however it is not clear if that monster should be based on EL or CR at that point. Regardless, the CR3 monster is probably a little too weak on its own to be paired. The problem is that I still had to roll it normally. Well, as luck happens, the first one I rolled fell under the "no auto-loss" clause (a bunch of trogs and lizards that had no chance of catching, much less hitting/hurting, Daisy), and when I rolled the second one I got low enough to roll on the EL 5 table (since we don't yet have an official redesigned EL 6 table in the rules), and got 1d3 Giant Wasps, and rolled a 1 on the 1d3. Since that could have been useful though I couldn't just scrap it, so, here we are. Zevox
Macbrea 11-10-06, 07:33 PM	Bah, I wasn't worried about it. Thought the trogs and the lizard would have been interesting for 1 round in a grapple! :P
DSugui 11-10-06, 10:27 PM	I know how monster rolls can be frustrating. I still remember Daisy and Dronnar vs that acursed Vrock... It was a nice fight, though. @Maraxus: Unbealivable. Valek the unlucky, passing that will save was amazing. Curious how he won doing what he does best: running... Just one thing: Empty Mind uses only 1pp (the summary has marked 2pp)
Ravashack 11-10-06, 10:46 PM	Eh, was there an issue about the tactics Zelck?
Gonbow 11-11-06, 01:51 AM	Rusty Ryan vs 2 Dire Bats is up here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10599332&postcount=219). Heavy sheet errors put Rusty at a disadvantage going into this, but luck and a mild willingness on his Pitlord's part to improvise kept him alive.
Zelck 11-11-06, 02:27 AM	Eh, was there an issue about the tactics Zelck? Nope. If you wanted to send in an addendum, feel free to do so. Just saying it might take a while for me to run the fight.
Maraxus 11-11-06, 07:00 AM	@Maraxus: Unbealivable. Valek the unlucky, passing that will save was amazing. Curious how he won doing what he does best: running... Just one thing: Empty Mind uses only 1pp (the summary has marked 2pp) Of course it does ... Well, the two keys are so close to another or something. ;) Fixed. What I fear is, how a psion would make this with the 1/3 rule. In the end, he decided to lose, because he ran out of power points and you had to to many HP for his X-bow left. Even with 1 level more (being a Blue is the totally most useless way to waste 1 LA or 1 CR) there would be no change with a 1/3 rule. - But that was your speed adantage, taking these Constructs in melee could have been hard for ever everyone. 1d6+7 damage is heavy. After this fight, I so wanted to build a Wilder-Construct-Shaper. Wild Surge would really be better for that part then Overchannel. But since the level of an expended knowledge power needs to be lower then the best you can cast and the Wilder still sticks to Level 1 Powers at Level 3, that concept would need level 6 (Or Wilder4/Psion1, which would make no sense at all). Bummer. :(
TheMagister 11-11-06, 11:52 AM	Prefight is up. That's just too damn many companions and allies, ya'll. {sigh} This is gonna take all day! That'll teach me to back off to only 1 fight. TM
hogarth 11-11-06, 11:56 AM	Prefight is up. That's just too damn many companions and allies, ya'll. {sigh} This is gonna take all day! That'll teach me to back off to only 1 fight. TM Hey...Kilpquabjeg's psicrystal and horse are just sitting on top of and beneath her (respectively). How is that complicated to figure out? ;) At least you don't have everyone's least favourite type of fight -- the puny damage sniper vs. the guy with Deflect Arrows and a wand of Cure Light Wounds. There are two of those this week! (Noko vs. Sunstroke as well as Axhind vs. Petr Semchuk)
TheMagister 11-11-06, 01:30 PM	{ungh} Too...many...actions! {groan} Head...exploding...! {pop!} :headexplo
TheMagister 11-11-06, 06:06 PM	Kilpquabjeg vs. Ihdald Seaslash is up here. A good read, if I do say so myself. ... And I do. TM
hogarth 11-11-06, 06:21 PM	Kilpquabjeg vs. Ihdald Seaslash is up here. A good read, if I do say so myself. ... The fight looks fine to me. Ihdald has gotten tougher since last week! Maybe I should've re-read his character sheet before the fight... ;)
McJarvis 11-11-06, 08:12 PM	Gundmir vs Dragonlily is up (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10625546&postcount=230). I hate the plains.
TheMagister 11-12-06, 03:08 PM	Yay! It's looking like more late fights for me!:tantrum: Anyone seen Kaigan and/or Krytos? AFAICT, they've been :incog:. TM
McJarvis 11-12-06, 04:43 PM	Yay! It's looking like more late fights for me!:tantrum: Anyone seen Kaigan and/or Krytos? AFAICT, they've been :incog:. TM I think Krytos told me he was gonna do his other fight today, but don't quote me on that. As far as activity- the board has seemed unusually silent this weekend, though it might just be my imagination...
DTFarstar 11-12-06, 06:25 PM	*rampant cursing ensues* My computer died. Kaput, dead. I do not have any other access to the internet. I don't have the money to fix it, and I don't have any other real access. So... I don't think you guys will see me much till I can scrape together funds to buy a new one. I am at my parents house right now, but they live far enough away it's impossible to get anything usefull done here. So.... Toron Tactics Here goes. Start in front corner of box, use rock for cover and hide. Rounds 1-3: Apply Drow Poison to three arrows. Round 4: Move out of the box toward the center obstacle and shoot at Matthis if i see him. Round 5+: If I can't possibly base Matthis in this particular turn then shoot a poisoned arrow and move to a position where it could be possible the following turn. I want to close and grapple if possible. - If Matthis has mirror image up then close eyes and attack into his square to improve my chances of hitting. - If blinded move behind obstacles and through them to make Matthis move around and allow me to use listen to try and find him. I want to have my bow out and shoot normal arrows in this case. - If at any point i can grapple him do so. - If he fails the save vs a sleep arrow get to him as soon as possible and CDG with unarmed strike. - Remember that if i am aware of incoming crossbow bolts i can deflect them. thanks, ~Iced Tactics for Matthis II Toron Brightstar (Iced) vs. Matthis Dar'ath II (waywreth) : DTFarstar [Arena] It seems that Iced built a very powerful character for the low levels. Ah well, I don't see Matthis winning this, but maybe he'll get lucky. Start by casting mirror image from the scroll. Try casting Blindness/deafness from memory. If that lands, withdraw and shooting him with the crossbow. Now I know he has deflect arrows, but when blind you are flatfooted, which means you can't deflect anything. Take a round to recall Expeditious Retreat to memory using pearl. If blindness fails - Follow it up with Ray of Enfeeblement from a scroll then, Touch of Fatigue from memory. Stay away and shoot bolts at him, I have 27. If he makes the save, the fight is pretty much over. Thanks for pitlording. If someone wants it, great, if not I'll try and get back here on Tuesday night to run it. I'm beginning to think universal forces say no to me and the CoCo. *grumble* Later guys.
McJarvis 11-12-06, 11:05 PM	Valen vs A Drow with a long name I can't remember (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10633305&postcount=233) is up. Sorry for the cut-off ending...I had a neat story written up, but I lost it due to the forum logging me out after I was idle & my not being able to recover it. One of these days I'll write my fights to notepad before writing them in the forum :) ~McJarvis~
Hirumajoe 11-12-06, 11:08 PM	Valen vs A Drow with a long name I can't remember (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10633305&postcount=233) is up. Sorry for the cut-off ending...I had a neat story written up, but I lost it due to the forum logging me out after I was idle & my not being able to recover it. One of these days I'll write my fights to notepad before writing them in the forum :) ~McJarvis~ Thanks for the run. Ignore my PM regarding spot/listen checks, as it doesn't make a difference. It was mainly for when you continued, but you finished too quick. :-)
McJarvis 11-12-06, 11:09 PM	Thanks for the run. Ignore my PM regarding spot/listen checks, as it doesn't make a difference. It was mainly for when you continued, but you finished too quick. :-) I would have remembered them if the bonus vs elves was noted on your character sheet :-) Sometimes writing it in the tactics isn't enough with my poor old mind... :-) @ All my fighters: I'll post the rewards tomorrow. I don't feel like calculating them tonight. Feel free to edit your character sheets-> I've already noted free actions in the 3FC info.
Hirumajoe 11-12-06, 11:12 PM	I would have remembered them if the bonus vs elves was noted on your character sheet :-) Sometimes writing it in the tactics isn't enough with my poor old mind... :-) Fair enough. I did forget to list it next to the spot and listen skills didn't I... I'll fix it for this coming week. Now I just need to level up and figure what to spend all my ill gotten loot on...
malakaiunseen 11-13-06, 01:03 AM	Well, thanks for running that one McJarvis. I don't understand what was going on towards the end there, seeing as you didn't go into much detail, but it is the result I expected so I wont worry too much. Dissapointing nonetheless. Congrats Hirumajoe.
McJarvis 11-13-06, 10:23 AM	Well, thanks for running that one McJarvis. I don't understand what was going on towards the end there, seeing as you didn't go into much detail, but it is the result I expected so I wont worry too much. Dissapointing nonetheless. Congrats Hirumajoe. Essentially you bolted for the only opening to that little courtyard you guys were in, then Valen followed you. He successfully based you, so you could 5ft backstep & rapid shot. Then he moved closer to you & your back was against a wall, and because of his size you couldn't five step to the side to get away. Thus you dropped your bow & drew your sword. Nothing too interesting after that-> just hack and slash back and forth. If he hadn't been mounted you would have stood a much better chance, but his speed was double yours. That's hard to compete with.
TelinArtho 11-13-06, 11:30 AM	*rampant cursing ensues* My computer died. Kaput, dead. I do not have any other access to the internet. I don't have the money to fix it, and I don't have any other real access. So... I don't think you guys will see me much till I can scrape together funds to buy a new one. I am at my parents house right now, but they live far enough away it's impossible to get anything usefull done here. So.... Toron Tactics Here goes. Start in front corner of box, use rock for cover and hide. Rounds 1-3: Apply Drow Poison to three arrows. Round 4: Move out of the box toward the center obstacle and shoot at Matthis if i see him. Round 5+: If I can't possibly base Matthis in this particular turn then shoot a poisoned arrow and move to a position where it could be possible the following turn. I want to close and grapple if possible. - If Matthis has mirror image up then close eyes and attack into his square to improve my chances of hitting. - If blinded move behind obstacles and through them to make Matthis move around and allow me to use listen to try and find him. I want to have my bow out and shoot normal arrows in this case. - If at any point i can grapple him do so. - If he fails the save vs a sleep arrow get to him as soon as possible and CDG with unarmed strike. - Remember that if i am aware of incoming crossbow bolts i can deflect them. thanks, ~Iced Tactics for Matthis II Toron Brightstar (Iced) vs. Matthis Dar'ath II (waywreth) : DTFarstar [Arena] It seems that Iced built a very powerful character for the low levels. Ah well, I don't see Matthis winning this, but maybe he'll get lucky. Start by casting mirror image from the scroll. Try casting Blindness/deafness from memory. If that lands, withdraw and shooting him with the crossbow. Now I know he has deflect arrows, but when blind you are flatfooted, which means you can't deflect anything. Take a round to recall Expeditious Retreat to memory using pearl. If blindness fails - Follow it up with Ray of Enfeeblement from a scroll then, Touch of Fatigue from memory. Stay away and shoot bolts at him, I have 27. If he makes the save, the fight is pretty much over. Thanks for pitlording. If someone wants it, great, if not I'll try and get back here on Tuesday night to run it. I'm beginning to think universal forces say no to me and the CoCo. *grumble* Later guys. Since it appears no one has picked up this fight - I'll grab it.
waywreth 11-13-06, 11:33 AM	Thanks Telin. Should be a pretty easy one - blindness lands or it doesn't. :(
TelinArtho 11-13-06, 12:06 PM	Thanks Telin. Should be a pretty easy one - blindness lands or it doesn't. :( Quick is right... Toron Brightstar (Iced) vs Matthis Dar'ath (Waywreth)
Abyssal Stalker 11-13-06, 01:50 PM	Atalan vs Durin (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10640321&postcount=236) has been done. Simple and nice fight to run.
Krytos 11-13-06, 03:03 PM	@TM and Dr. Funk - Sorry about the delay guys, my weekend was alot busier than I thought it was going to be. I'm beginning the fight now.
Maraxus 11-13-06, 03:40 PM	Atalan vs Durin (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10640321&postcount=236) has been done. Simple and nice fight to run. Nice. You could have used Knock-Down, however. No need to change, since I've won. (Oh, and damn, this typo in my tactics is really bad.)
Krytos 11-13-06, 06:27 PM	Tessero Valis (TheMagister) vs. Rolf (Dr.Funk) is up. I hope I ended that ok. Let me know right away if something needs changed. I don't have alot of time left to fix anything before the deadline.
hogarth 11-13-06, 07:20 PM	Unfortunately, it looks like I will not be able to finish the Sunstroke vs. Noko battle this week. It's up to round 134 and I would estimate it's about 80% done. If anyone is willing to finish this battle, I'm sure all parties involved would appreciate it. Otherwise, the conclusion will have to wait until next weekend. Setup: http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10644119&postcount=239 Part 1: http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10644155&postcount=240 Part 2: http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10644167&postcount=241
Zelck 11-13-06, 07:33 PM	@Cat: Too much Da Vinci Code? ;) :P
Zevox 11-13-06, 08:28 PM	Unfortunately, it looks like I will not be able to finish the Sunstroke vs. Noko battle this week. It's up to round 134 and I would estimate it's about 80% done. :twitch:
MindWandererB 11-13-06, 08:47 PM	Unfortunately, it looks like I will not be able to finish the Sunstroke vs. Noko battle this week. It's up to round 134 and I would estimate it's about 80% done. If anyone is willing to finish this battle, I'm sure all parties involved would appreciate it. Otherwise, the conclusion will have to wait until next weekend.I'm okay with the holdover if it's necessary. And I hereby solemnly swear to never again create a sniper character that doesn't have an alternate means of dealing damage.
McJarvis 11-13-06, 10:32 PM	All rewards posted for my fights.
MindWandererB 11-13-06, 10:49 PM	@Sauro and Zevox, re: "Tracking the Open Handed Way:" The rule about guild monster fights having to be random never did go into the rules. There will be a rule about that that I'll announce this Wednesday, but it won't affect ongoing missions, for reasons that will be obvious then.
DSugui 11-13-06, 11:30 PM	Petr Semchuk (hogarth) vs. Axhind (NiQil) is up HERE Run, Forest! Run!
TelinArtho 11-13-06, 11:34 PM	So.... any word from Sauro on the UnCon fight? I have to admit - I get a little anxious when I've seen nothing about the fight in the Online Roller even when he's been so active in the council thread.
NiQil 11-13-06, 11:55 PM	Petr Semchuk (hogarth) vs. Axhind (NiQil) is up HERE Run, Forest! Run! Edit: On second thought, nevermind. It's just not worth the effort.
SauroGrenom 11-14-06, 12:01 AM	I'm running the battle now for UnCon with Poe and Jar-Red. We shall see how long it takes. It looks like the opponents are fairly evenly matched, and I think the dice will decide this one. I have the next two-three hours tonight to work on it, and if it spills over then I can finish it up tomarrow evening. Don't worry Telin... I've not had a late fight yet. This won't be the first.
McJarvis 11-14-06, 12:02 AM	I'm running the battle now for UnCon with Poe and Jar-Red. We shall see how long it takes. It looks like the opponents are fairly evenly matched, and I think the dice will decide this one. I hope for your sake it doesn't take too long.
TelinArtho 11-14-06, 12:10 AM	It's not invulnerable, afterall...thought there may not be much of a chance of getting through the hardness, any critical has the potential to do so. Well - constructs (such as Psicrystals) are not subject to critical hits - so that's not really true. @Sauro - I appreciate it - I just get nervous - especially with Cat already coming forward at the end of last week saying that he needed a result ASAP due to pressure from the Wiz_o's. Good luck in running the fight. I'm hoping it'll be nice and quick... and be punctuated with a goblin's spine in Jar-red's mouth...
McJarvis 11-14-06, 12:14 AM	... and be punctuated with a goblin's spine in Jar-red's mouth... Only after Poe's wearing his new dino-armor made lovingly out of Jar-red skull ;) edit- It is ironic that the big prize of uncon here was the characters themselves. I feel like all four finalists probably didn't care that much about the custom board avatar and whatnot ;)
TelinArtho 11-14-06, 12:19 AM	I'm looking forward to the "prestige" of the title - Uncon winner, but the character himself was definitely the big bonus of the contest. I want to see Poe's tactics. When I was writing things up I just couldn't see a possibility of dealing enough damage to take Jar-red down without relying on spells that would reveal your position and limit your range by a good amount. In any case- time for some sleep - good luck to you. Looking at the rolls - Jar-red has already heard you :)
Hirumajoe 11-14-06, 12:32 AM	Corbin Nightwalker (renlim) vs. Roy Kadeer (Krytos) : Hirumajoe [Arena] is finally up here.
Zevox 11-14-06, 12:47 AM	It is ironic that the big prize of uncon here was the characters themselves? I feel like all four finalists probably didn't care that much about the custom board avatar and whatnot ;) You got me pegged on that one. Even I had won it, I doubt I would've used the custom avatar option - I quite like my current one. I'm just glad to have gotten my Mystic Theurge at long last :) . Zevox
Zelck 11-14-06, 12:50 AM	Perius vs. 3x Celestial Otyughs (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10610383&postcount=224) is up. It was closer than it probably should have been.
Ravashack 11-14-06, 03:15 AM	Perius vs. 3x Celestial Otyughs (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10610383&postcount=224) is up. It was closer than it probably should have been. You also forgot that the Energy Wall is Opaque. The Otyughs can't see through it and have no means of pinpointing his exact spot (just his square), so Perius has Total Concealment. No AOOs. And people have been emphasizing that Scent doesn't negate Total Concealment :) Also, the Fire Wall can't burn Perius unless he actually steps into it, because he has it radiating outward and unless I'm reading it wrong, he isn't moved from his spot in the center.OK, I see where he got grappled. That peach text is hard to notice at first glance with sleepy eyes. And the fact that the Energy Wall is opaque and thus blocking line of sight (but not line of effect, because it isn't even solid) should make the reason for taking out Touchsight a LOT clearer, so to speak. Also, to clarify, I don't have a 3.5 DMG. I'm literally flying blind on what I am fighting, so I was going basically on how many opponents there were.
Maraxus 11-14-06, 04:05 AM	Unfortunately, it looks like I will not be able to finish the Sunstroke vs. Noko battle this week. It's up to round 134 and I would estimate it's about 80% done. If anyone is willing to finish this battle, I'm sure all parties involved would appreciate it. Otherwise, the conclusion will have to wait until next weekend. Setup: http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10644119&postcount=239 Part 1: http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10644155&postcount=240 Part 2: http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10644167&postcount=241 Big :thumbsup: first of all, for running the fight so consequently. - Of cause, only to a limited point, because without violating my tactic you could have run me much smarter and the fight would probably be over allready. ;) But I don't want to sound like I'm readjusting tactics mid-fight and anyway, I'm sadisfied with however the fight turns out, since I'm definitly appreciating your work in this fight.
Caterane 11-14-06, 06:02 AM	Congratulations to Telin for being this years UnCon Winner! The four finalists can now post their character builds in the Characters thread. Keep in mind to keep all equipment you've bought for UnCon! Your expendables used in the UnCon fights are returned but you don't gain XP or GP from these fights either. Send me a PM once you're done so that I can look over it. I'll send out a PM to the Wizos now and inform them about our winner. I hope Telin now choses an avatar. It's much easier to find one's posts with an avatar when quickly scrolling down ;) PS: What about the fight for 3rd place?
Zevox 11-14-06, 08:11 AM	PS: What about the fight for 3rd place? Telin had that done before any other fights were - check page one of this thread. Zevox
hogarth 11-14-06, 08:11 AM	Petr Semchuk (hogarth) vs. Axhind (NiQil) is up HERE Run, Forest! Run! @DSugui: FYI, Petr's dorje is a dorje of Enlarged Energy Ray (i.e. the metapsionic feat Enlarge Power was applied when creating it) so it has a range of 2x(Close)=50', not just Close=25'.
DSugui 11-14-06, 08:20 AM	@DSugui: FYI, Petr's dorje is a dorje of Enlarged Energy Ray (i.e. the metapsionic feat Enlarge Power was applied when creating it) so it has a range of 2x(Close)=50', not just Close=25'.Missed that. I forgot that Enlarged psionic items are free... Anyways, my second comment still holds.
McJarvis 11-14-06, 09:24 AM	Congratulations to Telin for being this years UnCon Winner! Sigh. Unclear tactics written in a hurry are no good.... PS: What about the fight for 3rd place? The difference between 2nd and 3rd place is meaningless to anyone who isn't using leadership, right? I don't care about the outcome if that is true-> And Poe will take third.