101 phrases for the self-absorbed atheist [Archive] - Wizards Community

101 phrases for the self-absorbed atheist [Archive] - Wizards Community

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nerdor257
03-04-07, 07:47 PM My next character will be an ur-priest in a group full of divine casters. Anyway, I'd like some funny one-liners to use. (for those who have seen it, Brother Cavil from the new Battlestar Galactica is alot like what I'm looking for).

Thanks in advance!
psilontech
03-04-07, 09:46 PM I think it would be fairly hard in D&D to deny the existance of gods... I mean, the vast majority of arguements I have come up with for atheism wouldn't work simply because these clerics PROVE that these gods exist.

Not a very constructive post, sorry, but thought I would put it out there that it would be a little hard to be a hardcore atheist in most D&D Campaign Settings.
Lord_Iames
03-05-07, 01:27 AM While atheism as we encounter it in our world would be impossible in a standard D&D setting, I think it would be quite possible to have a character who, while acknowledging the existence and power of the gods, simply doesn't find them worthy of his worship.
herceg
03-05-07, 03:13 AM Or, said individual could simply think/believe that the so-called "gods" are just veeeery powerful creatures who pose as gods. Athar, anyone? :)

I can think of only one "catch-phraze" that could be a bit annoying to those cleric-fellows of yours:

something like "and when / on the / etc. ... (insert creation myth) Men created gods"
Thegans
03-05-07, 10:52 PM From Magic of Incarnum

"The greatest power in the cosmos is the power of the mortal spirit. The gods themselves cannot bear the brilliance fo a single perfect soul."

Here is one I came up with that could work in setting where gods need worshipers to have their power.

"The gods grant power to those who worship them. Yet the gods only have power from worship. Why then do we worship the gods when the power is our own to use?"
kaoswarrior
03-07-07, 09:36 AM Here are some...

"Ok, so YOU worship a (insert description of deity) and you call ME crazy..."

"Well now, your 'god' has set you this divine task eh... I just wanted to get out of the house"

"Well smack my rump and call me a worshipper, (insert quippy realisation here)"

"you think (insert deity name) did (insert act) in (insert length of time)... well now - that explains why he didn't have time to fix your face..." [this one is more of an insult]
Eridrau
03-07-07, 10:09 AM You could have different insults to different types of gods.

Creator types
"Wow, and in all their infinite power, they still can't make me care."

War gods
"You worship war, yet you fight for... peace? Were you dropped on your head as an infant?"

Palor
"So, what, you worship the sun. Oooh spooky shiny ball in the sky. Why not the rivers, or the grass, or this MASSIVE ball of dirt we call home, eh? The hell's so special about the sun..."

Any racial deity
"Ah, so you're saying that your god is better than the others by worshipping them. Said god *fakes a cough to hold back laughter* 'made you in their image'. And you little bastards call us humans arrogant elitists." (For kicks, make the character short, but he says that even if he's talking to say... a giant.)

Or just a few quips
"Well thank nothing!" (exclamation as opposed to thank god ;P)
"Me? I'm from the Secular Humanitarian Church of 'Don't give a ****'."
"Yeah yeah, praise be (deity). Now can you shut up about your imaginary friend and cast the damn spell?"
"Ah churches. I love churches. They're proof of the best way to run and ruin the ignorant masses. Plus they always have all that expensive stuff."
"Hate you? No, I pity you. Such power dwells within you, yet you waste it, offering it up to ultimately powerless forces and give them all the credit."
"Yes... now I see, I see the light! I truly understand what you were talking about! Praise (Deity)!" *smacks other priest* "Oh, no that was just my reading candle, nevermind."
*After casting resurrection* "So, welcome back. Since you've been to the 'other side' can you tell me what it's like? No? Didn't think so."
"Gods? I'd be more inclined to believe that we're a bunch of fictional characters in someone's imagination, no more than words and numbers on pages. Don't give me that look."
"Ah, another lecture, good, I could use a nap." *YAWN*
"You speak of freedom of speech, yet you quell so called 'heretics'. You preach 'compassion', yet you murder others solely on race. You talk about your so called god's 'love for their worshippers', yet I've seen them suffer daily. Yet you call *ME* 'evil'!?""

Hope you like at least a couple of 'em.
herceg
03-07-07, 12:22 PM Oh Nothings!!! :rofl: :rofl: :heehee :rofl: :rofl:
nerdor257
03-07-07, 03:35 PM You could have different insults to different types of gods.

Creator types
"Wow, and in all their infinite power, they still can't make me care."

War gods
"You worship war, yet you fight for... peace? Were you dropped on your head as an infant?"

Palor
"So, what, you worship the sun. Oooh spooky shiny ball in the sky. Why not the rivers, or the grass, or this MASSIVE ball of dirt we call home, eh? The hell's so special about the sun..."

Any racial deity
"Ah, so you're saying that your god is better than the others by worshipping them. Said god *fakes a cough to hold back laughter* 'made you in their image'. And you little bastards call us humans arrogant elitists." (For kicks, make the character short, but he says that even if he's talking to say... a giant.)

Or just a few quips
"Well thank nothing!" (exclamation as opposed to thank god ;P)
"Me? I'm from the Secular Humanitarian Church of 'Don't give a ****'."
"Yeah yeah, praise be (deity). Now can you shut up about your imaginary friend and cast the damn spell?"
"Ah churches. I love churches. They're proof of the best way to run and ruin the ignorant masses. Plus they always have all that expensive stuff."
"Hate you? No, I pity you. Such power dwells within you, yet you waste it, offering it up to ultimately powerless forces and give them all the credit."
"Yes... now I see, I see the light! I truly understand what you were talking about! Praise (Deity)!" *smacks other priest* "Oh, no that was just my reading candle, nevermind."
*After casting resurrection* "So, welcome back. Since you've been to the 'other side' can you tell me what it's like? No? Didn't think so."
"Gods? I'd be more inclined to believe that we're a bunch of fictional characters in someone's imagination, no more than words and numbers on pages. Don't give me that look."
"Ah, another lecture, good, I could use a nap." *YAWN*
"You speak of freedom of speech, yet you quell so called 'heretics'. You preach 'compassion', yet you murder others solely on race. You talk about your so called god's 'love for their worshippers', yet I've seen them suffer daily. Yet you call *ME* 'evil'!?""

Hope you like at least a couple of 'em.

These are all awesome, thanks!
Adrez Nesnsid
03-07-07, 06:46 PM Or, said individual could simply think/believe that the so-called "gods" are just veeeery powerful creatures who pose as gods.

What, precisely, would be the actual difference between that and a god?
herceg
03-08-07, 02:59 AM Ask the Athars ;)
Adrez Nesnsid
03-08-07, 01:49 PM He could go into some speil mocking the party's cleric, perhaps a variant on this scene from futurama:

High Priest: "Great wall of prophecy! Reveal to us god's will that we may blindly obey."
Crowd: "Free us from thought and responsibility."
High Priest: "We shall read things off you!"
Crowd: "And do them."
-Futurama
Darthnazrael
03-09-07, 01:15 AM I know this doesn't really add to the original question, but:

I think it'd be entirely logical for atheists to exist. To them, clerics are simply deranged druids or sorcerers. Or for that matter, clerics AND druids could just be deranged/hippie sorcerers.

Statistically, such a character can't have too many ranks in knowledge (arcana), or spellcraft, because they'd realize the difference between arcane and divine. If he's low on these skills, then he can point to the bard to explain how "deranged sorcerers can heal people, but normal ones can't", saying that they're not the only ones. Plus, there's the ur-priest, himself.
Pegasos989
03-09-07, 04:05 PM I know this doesn't really add to the original question, but:

I think it'd be entirely logical for atheists to exist. To them, clerics are simply deranged druids or sorcerers. Or for that matter, clerics AND druids could just be deranged/hippie sorcerers.

Statistically, such a character can't have too many ranks in knowledge (arcana), or spellcraft, because they'd realize the difference between arcane and divine. If he's low on these skills, then he can point to the bard to explain how "deranged sorcerers can heal people, but normal ones can't", saying that they're not the only ones. Plus, there's the ur-priest, himself.

I have played an atheist, actually. A psion. He knew about arcane powers, knew about psionics and strictly believed that like them, divine powers are also drawn from some other source than actual deities. Possibly cosmic forces like good, evil or possibly strong emotions, like love, hate, anger... just not one eyed all mighty orc or something.
Eled_the_Worm_Tamer
03-12-07, 09:58 PM 'Beleve in your gods all you want, I choose to beleve in myself.'
Doleth
03-13-07, 09:12 AM "hum, we sure had bad weather these last few day..."
Well, you are a atheist in a group of cleric and other servant of the god, wich make it harder for you to fly under the divine radar:P
"Everything you do, I can do. The difference is in the price, I still retain my freedom."
Azrael The Dark
03-13-07, 10:44 AM "Everything you do, I can do. The difference is in the price, I still retain my freedom."
"Anything you can do, I can do better. I can do anything better than you!"
Sorry, couldn't resist. :D Catch the quote.
Firkling
03-16-07, 11:49 AM Helm? Is it a food?
Darth Syntax
03-17-07, 03:06 AM What, precisely, would be the actual difference between that and a god?

*Dons the hat of the Athar*

A being of great power is just that and nothing more. The so called "gods" are nothing more than outsiders with ego-maniacal tendencies; cosmic snake oil salesmen. The "gods" did not make the cosmos, they arrived much later, and only after the deluded mortals decided they needed the cosmos to be centered around them, to be a comfortable place. We created them.

The "gods" are unnecessary, they confer nothing on their thalls that cannot be more purely attained through discipline and understanding. They are nothing but charlatans and unworthy of either worship or contemplation. Go. Delude yourself, grope aimlessly in the dark looking for comfort. You might find it, but at the cost of truth.
Adrez Nesnsid
03-17-07, 08:10 AM A being of great power is just that and nothing more.

I hold that that is the DEFINITION of a god.

The so called "gods" are nothing more than outsiders with ego-maniacal tendencies.

That too...
Adrez Nesnsid
03-17-07, 08:19 AM On second thought, perhaps I should have been more precise earlier on, in my previous post. A mystical being of overwhelming power is the "Classical" definition of a deity/god. The ancient Greeks and ancient Egyptians did not believe their deities to be all-powerful, and yet they still refered to them as such. One noteworthy ancient Egyptian legend, for instance, concerns how Isis ascended to goddesshood by secretly poisoning Ra, and then coming to him in the guise of a healer and telling him that she could not heal him unless he told her his Truename, which he eventually did, and which had the side effect of allowing Isis to ascend ti godhood; she was originally mortal when she did all of the aforementioned stuff.

The definition of a "god" as being all knowing and all powerful, is relatively new.
Adrez Nesnsid
03-17-07, 12:15 PM The ancient Greeks and ancient Egyptians did not believe their deities to be all-powerful, and yet they still refered to them as such.

That is to say that they refered to them as gods, not as all powerful (except when they were being obsequious)
Darth Syntax
03-17-07, 03:41 PM The key components your definition is missing are, "worthy of worship and devotion" and "cosmic necessity".

While agree with you that the classical definition of god is much broader than some, there is always some element of cosmic necessity involved.
Terronus
03-17-07, 03:48 PM One of my favorite quotes that seems to be fitting was from the Count of Monte Cristo. While one man was being tortured he cried out to God. His tormenter leaned in and said serenely (I might have a word or two off). "Yes, you cry out to God for help, and I'll stop as soon as he arrives."
Adrez Nesnsid
03-17-07, 04:26 PM The key components your definition is missing are, "worthy of worship and devotion" and "cosmic necessity".

What about Loki? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loki) How is what is essentially a god of Schadenfreude (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude) a cosmic necessity??

------------------------------------------------------

Getting back on topic for a moment most of the points from this debate here could easily be worked into a roleplayed, in-game argumant between the character in question and his detractors.
Darth Syntax
03-17-07, 04:48 PM In looking at the issue of cosmic necessity, one has to take into account the whole of the religious system, not just the gods in isolation. Loki was necessary to precipitate Ragnar�k, which was a necessary event in Norse religion.

--

At any rate, I was (mostly) making the Athar's point about the gods.
Shawno
03-17-07, 06:44 PM Then there's slightly morphing a pretty good Billy Joel line into, "The gods know I ain't a spiritual man."
Adrez Nesnsid
03-18-07, 08:54 AM If the character is particularly self absorbed, in addition to being an athiest, they could mock the party's cleric by pretending to pray to themself.
Adrez Nesnsid
03-19-07, 08:06 PM " 'god' is just 'dog' spelled backwards :pbbbtt: "
Adrez Nesnsid
06-24-07, 12:45 AM If the character is particularly self absorbed, in addition to being an athiest, they could mock the party's cleric by pretending to pray to themself.

Building on this, the character could copy some of the stuff done the Roman emperor Caligula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caligula) to show his contempt for the upper classes of Rome. Caligula declared himself to be a god and would wander around his palace at night ordering the sun to rise, later he made his horse a priest and a senator and declared that the horse "embodied tthe aspects of all of the gods".
Alltat
06-24-07, 07:58 AM If the character is particularly self absorbed, in addition to being an athiest, they could mock the party's cleric by pretending to pray to themself.
"Dear Me. Don't get killed. Amen."

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
nerdor257 03-04-07, 07:47 PM	My next character will be an ur-priest in a group full of divine casters. Anyway, I'd like some funny one-liners to use. (for those who have seen it, Brother Cavil from the new Battlestar Galactica is alot like what I'm looking for). Thanks in advance!
psilontech 03-04-07, 09:46 PM	I think it would be fairly hard in D&D to deny the existance of gods... I mean, the vast majority of arguements I have come up with for atheism wouldn't work simply because these clerics PROVE that these gods exist. Not a very constructive post, sorry, but thought I would put it out there that it would be a little hard to be a hardcore atheist in most D&D Campaign Settings.
Lord_Iames 03-05-07, 01:27 AM	While atheism as we encounter it in our world would be impossible in a standard D&D setting, I think it would be quite possible to have a character who, while acknowledging the existence and power of the gods, simply doesn't find them worthy of his worship.
herceg 03-05-07, 03:13 AM	Or, said individual could simply think/believe that the so-called "gods" are just veeeery powerful creatures who pose as gods. Athar, anyone? :) I can think of only one "catch-phraze" that could be a bit annoying to those cleric-fellows of yours: something like "and when / on the / etc. ... (insert creation myth) Men created gods"
Thegans 03-05-07, 10:52 PM	From Magic of Incarnum "The greatest power in the cosmos is the power of the mortal spirit. The gods themselves cannot bear the brilliance fo a single perfect soul." Here is one I came up with that could work in setting where gods need worshipers to have their power. "The gods grant power to those who worship them. Yet the gods only have power from worship. Why then do we worship the gods when the power is our own to use?"
kaoswarrior 03-07-07, 09:36 AM	Here are some... "Ok, so YOU worship a (insert description of deity) and you call ME crazy..." "Well now, your 'god' has set you this divine task eh... I just wanted to get out of the house" "Well smack my rump and call me a worshipper, (insert quippy realisation here)" "you think (insert deity name) did (insert act) in (insert length of time)... well now - that explains why he didn't have time to fix your face..." [this one is more of an insult]
Eridrau 03-07-07, 10:09 AM	You could have different insults to different types of gods. Creator types "Wow, and in all their infinite power, they still can't make me care." War gods "You worship war, yet you fight for... peace? Were you dropped on your head as an infant?" Palor "So, what, you worship the sun. Oooh spooky shiny ball in the sky. Why not the rivers, or the grass, or this MASSIVE ball of dirt we call home, eh? The hell's so special about the sun..." Any racial deity "Ah, so you're saying that your god is better than the others by worshipping them. Said god fakes a cough to hold back laughter 'made you in their image'. And you little bastards call us humans arrogant elitists." (For kicks, make the character short, but he says that even if he's talking to say... a giant.) Or just a few quips "Well thank nothing!" (exclamation as opposed to thank god ;P) "Me? I'm from the Secular Humanitarian Church of 'Don't give a ***'." "Yeah yeah, praise be (deity). Now can you shut up about your imaginary friend and cast the damn spell?" "Ah churches. I love churches. They're proof of the best way to run and ruin the ignorant masses. Plus they always have all that expensive stuff." "Hate you? No, I pity you. Such power dwells within you, yet you waste it, offering it up to ultimately powerless forces and give them all the credit." "Yes... now I see, I see the light! I truly understand what you were talking about! Praise (Deity)!" smacks other priest* "Oh, no that was just my reading candle, nevermind." After casting resurrection "So, welcome back. Since you've been to the 'other side' can you tell me what it's like? No? Didn't think so." "Gods? I'd be more inclined to believe that we're a bunch of fictional characters in someone's imagination, no more than words and numbers on pages. Don't give me that look." "Ah, another lecture, good, I could use a nap." YAWN "You speak of freedom of speech, yet you quell so called 'heretics'. You preach 'compassion', yet you murder others solely on race. You talk about your so called god's 'love for their worshippers', yet I've seen them suffer daily. Yet you call ME 'evil'!?"" Hope you like at least a couple of 'em.
herceg 03-07-07, 12:22 PM	Oh Nothings!!! :rofl: :rofl: :heehee :rofl: :rofl:
nerdor257 03-07-07, 03:35 PM	You could have different insults to different types of gods. Creator types "Wow, and in all their infinite power, they still can't make me care." War gods "You worship war, yet you fight for... peace? Were you dropped on your head as an infant?" Palor "So, what, you worship the sun. Oooh spooky shiny ball in the sky. Why not the rivers, or the grass, or this MASSIVE ball of dirt we call home, eh? The hell's so special about the sun..." Any racial deity "Ah, so you're saying that your god is better than the others by worshipping them. Said god fakes a cough to hold back laughter 'made you in their image'. And you little bastards call us humans arrogant elitists." (For kicks, make the character short, but he says that even if he's talking to say... a giant.) Or just a few quips "Well thank nothing!" (exclamation as opposed to thank god ;P) "Me? I'm from the Secular Humanitarian Church of 'Don't give a ***'." "Yeah yeah, praise be (deity). Now can you shut up about your imaginary friend and cast the damn spell?" "Ah churches. I love churches. They're proof of the best way to run and ruin the ignorant masses. Plus they always have all that expensive stuff." "Hate you? No, I pity you. Such power dwells within you, yet you waste it, offering it up to ultimately powerless forces and give them all the credit." "Yes... now I see, I see the light! I truly understand what you were talking about! Praise (Deity)!" smacks other priest* "Oh, no that was just my reading candle, nevermind." After casting resurrection "So, welcome back. Since you've been to the 'other side' can you tell me what it's like? No? Didn't think so." "Gods? I'd be more inclined to believe that we're a bunch of fictional characters in someone's imagination, no more than words and numbers on pages. Don't give me that look." "Ah, another lecture, good, I could use a nap." YAWN "You speak of freedom of speech, yet you quell so called 'heretics'. You preach 'compassion', yet you murder others solely on race. You talk about your so called god's 'love for their worshippers', yet I've seen them suffer daily. Yet you call ME 'evil'!?"" Hope you like at least a couple of 'em. These are all awesome, thanks!
Adrez Nesnsid 03-07-07, 06:46 PM	Or, said individual could simply think/believe that the so-called "gods" are just veeeery powerful creatures who pose as gods. What, precisely, would be the actual difference between that and a god?
herceg 03-08-07, 02:59 AM	Ask the Athars ;)
Adrez Nesnsid 03-08-07, 01:49 PM	He could go into some speil mocking the party's cleric, perhaps a variant on this scene from futurama: High Priest: "Great wall of prophecy! Reveal to us god's will that we may blindly obey." Crowd: "Free us from thought and responsibility." High Priest: "We shall read things off you!" Crowd: "And do them." -Futurama
Darthnazrael 03-09-07, 01:15 AM	I know this doesn't really add to the original question, but: I think it'd be entirely logical for atheists to exist. To them, clerics are simply deranged druids or sorcerers. Or for that matter, clerics AND druids could just be deranged/hippie sorcerers. Statistically, such a character can't have too many ranks in knowledge (arcana), or spellcraft, because they'd realize the difference between arcane and divine. If he's low on these skills, then he can point to the bard to explain how "deranged sorcerers can heal people, but normal ones can't", saying that they're not the only ones. Plus, there's the ur-priest, himself.
Pegasos989 03-09-07, 04:05 PM	I know this doesn't really add to the original question, but: I think it'd be entirely logical for atheists to exist. To them, clerics are simply deranged druids or sorcerers. Or for that matter, clerics AND druids could just be deranged/hippie sorcerers. Statistically, such a character can't have too many ranks in knowledge (arcana), or spellcraft, because they'd realize the difference between arcane and divine. If he's low on these skills, then he can point to the bard to explain how "deranged sorcerers can heal people, but normal ones can't", saying that they're not the only ones. Plus, there's the ur-priest, himself. I have played an atheist, actually. A psion. He knew about arcane powers, knew about psionics and strictly believed that like them, divine powers are also drawn from some other source than actual deities. Possibly cosmic forces like good, evil or possibly strong emotions, like love, hate, anger... just not one eyed all mighty orc or something.
Eled_the_Worm_Tamer 03-12-07, 09:58 PM	'Beleve in your gods all you want, I choose to beleve in myself.'
Doleth 03-13-07, 09:12 AM	"hum, we sure had bad weather these last few day..." Well, you are a atheist in a group of cleric and other servant of the god, wich make it harder for you to fly under the divine radar:P "Everything you do, I can do. The difference is in the price, I still retain my freedom."
Azrael The Dark 03-13-07, 10:44 AM	"Everything you do, I can do. The difference is in the price, I still retain my freedom." "Anything you can do, I can do better. I can do anything better than you!" Sorry, couldn't resist. :D Catch the quote.
Firkling 03-16-07, 11:49 AM	Helm? Is it a food?
Darth Syntax 03-17-07, 03:06 AM	What, precisely, would be the actual difference between that and a god? Dons the hat of the Athar A being of great power is just that and nothing more. The so called "gods" are nothing more than outsiders with ego-maniacal tendencies; cosmic snake oil salesmen. The "gods" did not make the cosmos, they arrived much later, and only after the deluded mortals decided they needed the cosmos to be centered around them, to be a comfortable place. We created them. The "gods" are unnecessary, they confer nothing on their thalls that cannot be more purely attained through discipline and understanding. They are nothing but charlatans and unworthy of either worship or contemplation. Go. Delude yourself, grope aimlessly in the dark looking for comfort. You might find it, but at the cost of truth.
Adrez Nesnsid 03-17-07, 08:10 AM	A being of great power is just that and nothing more. I hold that that is the DEFINITION of a god. The so called "gods" are nothing more than outsiders with ego-maniacal tendencies. That too...
Adrez Nesnsid 03-17-07, 08:19 AM	On second thought, perhaps I should have been more precise earlier on, in my previous post. A mystical being of overwhelming power is the "Classical" definition of a deity/god. The ancient Greeks and ancient Egyptians did not believe their deities to be all-powerful, and yet they still refered to them as such. One noteworthy ancient Egyptian legend, for instance, concerns how Isis ascended to goddesshood by secretly poisoning Ra, and then coming to him in the guise of a healer and telling him that she could not heal him unless he told her his Truename, which he eventually did, and which had the side effect of allowing Isis to ascend ti godhood; she was originally mortal when she did all of the aforementioned stuff. The definition of a "god" as being all knowing and all powerful, is relatively new.
Adrez Nesnsid 03-17-07, 12:15 PM	The ancient Greeks and ancient Egyptians did not believe their deities to be all-powerful, and yet they still refered to them as such. That is to say that they refered to them as gods, not as all powerful (except when they were being obsequious)
Darth Syntax 03-17-07, 03:41 PM	The key components your definition is missing are, "worthy of worship and devotion" and "cosmic necessity". While agree with you that the classical definition of god is much broader than some, there is always some element of cosmic necessity involved.
Terronus 03-17-07, 03:48 PM	One of my favorite quotes that seems to be fitting was from the Count of Monte Cristo. While one man was being tortured he cried out to God. His tormenter leaned in and said serenely (I might have a word or two off). "Yes, you cry out to God for help, and I'll stop as soon as he arrives."
Adrez Nesnsid 03-17-07, 04:26 PM	The key components your definition is missing are, "worthy of worship and devotion" and "cosmic necessity". What about Loki? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loki) How is what is essentially a god of Schadenfreude (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude) a cosmic necessity?? ------------------------------------------------------ Getting back on topic for a moment most of the points from this debate here could easily be worked into a roleplayed, in-game argumant between the character in question and his detractors.
Darth Syntax 03-17-07, 04:48 PM	In looking at the issue of cosmic necessity, one has to take into account the whole of the religious system, not just the gods in isolation. Loki was necessary to precipitate Ragnar�k, which was a necessary event in Norse religion. -- At any rate, I was (mostly) making the Athar's point about the gods.
Shawno 03-17-07, 06:44 PM	Then there's slightly morphing a pretty good Billy Joel line into, "The gods know I ain't a spiritual man."
Adrez Nesnsid 03-18-07, 08:54 AM	If the character is particularly self absorbed, in addition to being an athiest, they could mock the party's cleric by pretending to pray to themself.
Adrez Nesnsid 03-19-07, 08:06 PM	" 'god' is just 'dog' spelled backwards :pbbbtt: "
Adrez Nesnsid 06-24-07, 12:45 AM	If the character is particularly self absorbed, in addition to being an athiest, they could mock the party's cleric by pretending to pray to themself. Building on this, the character could copy some of the stuff done the Roman emperor Caligula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caligula) to show his contempt for the upper classes of Rome. Caligula declared himself to be a god and would wander around his palace at night ordering the sun to rise, later he made his horse a priest and a senator and declared that the horse "embodied tthe aspects of all of the gods".
Alltat 06-24-07, 07:58 AM	If the character is particularly self absorbed, in addition to being an athiest, they could mock the party's cleric by pretending to pray to themself. "Dear Me. Don't get killed. Amen."