Post/Author/DateTime	Post
dragor_shadowfury 06-08-06, 08:02 AM	1 it's goal is impossible to uphold as long as just a few chaotic individuals exist. 2 it's build upon the filosofi that two things or situations can be identical, a thing thats completely impossible 3 it's restraining creativity, and thus evolution you others please come up with more
CantripN 06-08-06, 08:32 AM	4- Because Chaos, when left unchecked by Law, turns to Evil. 5- Because Law says that there is a truth. (Which may be bad, but is essential for some moral system) 6- Because it thinks before acting. Law resists CHANGE, not evolution. Not all changes are for the best, and while 2 things aren't usually the same, they are very similiar. A doctor wouldn't be able to heal if there was no "healthy" human concept. Chaos can very well be put into an equation without unbalancing it, because Law rocks! You really think you are free, puny human? We control you without you knowing it!
rogue_lettuce 06-08-06, 12:41 PM	Because "OHNOES! I can't do whatever the hell I want and have my DM let me get away with it like i can if i choose CN! CN 4 evar!" *ahem*
Fithero 06-08-06, 03:35 PM	yeah mate... none of the alignments actually suck... its just different playing styles is all. Just cos your not able to play a paticular alignment, doesnt mean you have to start a whole thread over it. Im a firm believer that all alignments (from chaotic evil to lawfull good) are great... when played properly. Later
Sphyre 06-09-06, 03:53 AM	Normally I don't do this... but this post needs it! 1 it's goal is impossible to uphold as long as just a few chaotic individuals exist. Lawful is a way you go about things, that has very little to do with the word law, in D&D. 2 it's build upon the filosofi that two things or situations can be identical, a thing thats completely impossible What the? this has nothing to do with being Lawful. It's not built upon a philosophy, it is a philisophical veiw of life. Please note how whenever D&D references the alignment, such as where your soul goes when you die, that they reference your "philisophical alignment." Now the grammar-nazi in me is going to turn on (which rarely happens because it has nothing to do with the content of your post, just further makes it a problem). "It's built upon the philosophy that two things or situations can be identical, [Participle of choice] is a thing that's completely improssible." 3 it's restraining creativity, and thus evolution "Babies are bad. Cheese is moon power, thus defenestration." Yes, If you can make sense of that then I'll make sense of what you said. The lawful alignment doesn't do anything to restrain the creativity of your characters. Point in case... Lawful evil creatures are generally WAY more creative and devious than chaotic evil creatures. Having a logical thinking process rather than an impulsive one could induce greater creativity through planning. Perhaps you need to look at alignment as the character philosophy and what he/she values, as opposed to a straight jacket, that restricts all gameplay no matter what your alignment.
Azrael The Dark 06-09-06, 07:44 AM	There's nothing else to say. Sphyre wins.
Pan_Ai_Khan 06-09-06, 08:53 AM	I'm confused. How would throwing babies through a window limit the power of cheese to effect tides?
Sphyre 06-09-06, 03:19 PM	I'm confused. How would throwing babies through a window limit the power of cheese to effect tides? LOL. Like I said, if he can make sense of what I said, I'll make sense of what he said. Meaning... it doesn't make sense.
Caretaker 06-10-06, 04:47 AM	It makes sense to me, but that's because I'm just soooo Chaotic and therefore can make sense of the unmakesensable. And cheese is NOT moon power. Everybody knows the moon is made out of cheese. But monkey's stole it and replaced it with a cardboard one. IOW: even if Law sucks, utter chaos doesn't help much either.
rogue_lettuce 06-11-06, 04:46 AM	There's nothing else to say. Sphyre wins. No wait, we can still point out that while in grammar nazi mode his spelling nazi apparently drank on the job. "impRossible"?
Fithero 06-11-06, 05:36 AM	No wait, we can still point out that while in grammar nazi mode his spelling nazi apparently drank on the job. "impRossible"? Why the hell would you bring that up? The guy puts up a great argument and you pin him for typing one word incorrectly. As a general rule, post something useful or dont post at all. Later
rogue_lettuce 06-11-06, 04:02 PM	Why the hell would you bring that up? The guy puts up a great argument and you pin him for typing one word incorrectly. It was meant to be a joke. I have no resentment towards Sphyre at all, in fact I generally think of Sphyre as one of the most helpful and positive members of the community.
Fithero 06-11-06, 09:56 PM	Fair enough, you have my apologize. Put it down to being in a $hitty mood. Later
aleshandre 06-11-06, 11:07 PM	I like this. 7) because the entire workings of the universe are built on scientific laws...or celestial laws...or whatever kind of laws your character believes in - even if they're chaotic. 8) because chaos is the basis of the LAW of entropy. 9) because only sentient beings can overcome entropy on a grand scale and create laws that help them work together as a society of more than just single individuals who would as soon destroy eachother as help eachother.
Sphyre 06-12-06, 02:10 AM	It was meant to be a joke. I have no resentment towards Sphyre at all, in fact I generally think of Sphyre as one of the most helpful and positive members of the community. Awww, :blush: You're making me blush, lol. Oops. Only fitting that someone who is being a grammar-nazi would slip up with a typo, wouldn't it? Regardless, there's a big difference between having a typo and being ignorant of how to spell, esspecially when using the internet all you need to do is go to www.merriamwebster.com to check any spellings that you're unsure of. Now that I think back to it... I may have been drinking a bit when I made the post ;)
Need_A_Life 06-12-06, 07:15 AM	A reason why law sucks? Zealots. There's a lot more lawful zealots than chaotic ones. Also, I can't get my two portions of kobold babies spiced with innocent souls.... wait, that's evil. Guess I can do that too.
Morka 06-12-06, 10:21 AM	A reason why law sucks? Zealots. There's a lot more lawful zealots than chaotic ones. Also, I can't get my two portions of kobold babies spiced with innocent souls.... wait, that's evil. Guess I can do that too. But the chaotic ones are far more dangerous. :cool:
Witch 06-14-06, 09:44 AM	1 it's goal is impossible to uphold as long as just a few chaotic individuals exist. 2 it's build upon the filosofi that two things or situations can be identical, a thing thats completely impossible 3 it's restraining creativity, and thus evolution you others please come up with more 1) Complete nonsense. 2) Darn extreme relativism. Universal rules are possible, if you take context in account reasonably. 3) Natural selection is a despicable thing. Restraining it is not bad. It is good.
ArwenTwoPointO 06-14-06, 04:13 PM	Lawful evil creatures are generally WAY more creative and devious than chaotic evil creatures. Having a logical thinking process rather than an impulsive one could induce greater creativity through planning. so....off topic but chaotic characters or monsters don't make plans? sorry...good plans?
rogue_lettuce 06-16-06, 08:55 AM	The second argument is poor IMO. If no two things or situations can be the same, ever, then no general or universal rules can be applied. However, you are applying the universal rule that no two situations or things can ever be the same. Therefore, unless my logic is flawed, the argument is a paradox, since it leads to a universal rule that there can be no universal rules. Philosophy students/grads/etc... Any ideas? Haha.
dawnjosie 06-16-06, 12:40 PM	Would you agree that Emporer Palpatine is Lawful Evil?
Sphyre 06-16-06, 05:48 PM	so....off topic but chaotic characters or monsters don't make plans? sorry...good plans? Chaotic in D&D tends to be more on the side of "impulsive reasoning," while Lawful is more "processed reasoning." Of course this isn't a rule, but a tendancy. If you start trying to pigeon hole either alignment. Sure, they can make plans, sure they can execute them... sure they can do whatever the hell they want. But lawful creatures/characters have a personal "code" that they tend to evaluate every situation by first, which leads to a more planned approach to actions as opposed to impulsive. Keep in mind, I have a very open veiw of the alignment system, where I see it as a philosophical way of thinking, as opposed to a straight jacket that forces you to do things. It helps me understand the phychology of the character. If you have a different veiw of the alignment system than me that's perfectly fine, but you might disagree with me then.
Shadowfox_Drow_Assasin 06-17-06, 08:18 PM	LOL. Like I said, if he can make sense of what I said, I'll make sense of what he said. Meaning... it doesn't make sense. it made perfect sense..............in my head hahahahahahaha i think chaotic neutral is the way to go(for me anyways) because it means for 1)i have no consouns and 2) i can do what ever the f*ck i want and am allowed to get away with it with my dm hahahahahahahaha peace, but i win, and yet....i lose!, for those of you who play "The Game", you know what im talkin about anyway, throwin babies out windows actually creates rips in the space time continueum that affects the tide because it removes tiny tiny particles of the moons core, thus lessening its gravitational perportions, which in turn changes the tides.