A lawful/Nut shadow Wiver? [Archive] - Wizards Community

A lawful/Nut shadow Wiver? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Melee_Strongfist
10-11-06, 03:52 PM I have alway wanted to to make a bat man like Cahrter in D&D 3.5

A frist i tryed a Simple Rouge.. But there st Sneaky for batman

then i tryed a bard/rouge stell not working

i was woundering is it posible for a shadow wive Ueser to be lawful/Nut?
hisnamehere
10-11-06, 06:16 PM Well...Batman doesn't exactly use spells, does he? Why do you need to be a Shadow Weave user?

The great thing about the Shadow Weave is that Shar controls it, and she is the Goddess of Secrets. She is very mysterious and secretive, and no one knows her goals. Heck, she was one of the original gods and controls the the Shadow Weave just as Mystra controls the Weave, yet she is not often in the limelight - no doubt her own doing.
Anyone can tap the Shadow Weave (I think - check the feat in FRCS and/or PGtF) as long as Shar lets them. A vigilante like Batman, walking such a fine line between hero and psycho, would be a great person for Shar to tempt with Shadow Weave power. Give them the power, then let them ruin themselves with it, eventually turning over to the shadow side.

I've always viewed Batman as a rogue/monk. His unarmed skill is unmatched, he uses batarangs (shuriken), and definately has Leap of the Clouds-like physical ability.
I'd find some rules, or write some yourself, for a battle cloak - a reinforced, heavy cloak that you can use to defend yourself. Add some fun feats - such as Exotic Weapon Prof (battle cloak), one to 'conceal' yourself in the cloak, one to gain hide bonuses with it, one to slow your fall with it - and you have a unique individual.

My advise of course is to take the idea of Batman and make it new; create your own vigilante. Maybe yours does use magic, and Shadow Weave magic at that. Maybe yours is more like Venom - a savage, barbaric, and unstoppable primal force that brings wrath to the ruinous.
In my experience, simply reproducing an existing personality as a PC is fun, but ultimately not as fun too play as a unique character. Also, even if you do enjoy the copied character, you'll find that a campaign does not always let your character exist within its predetermined personality.

Hope something in there was useful,
Communicator
Lyinginbedmon
10-11-06, 06:32 PM I have alway wanted to to make a bat man like Cahrter in D&D 3.5

A frist i tryed a Simple Rouge.. But there st Sneaky for batman

then i tryed a bard/rouge stell not working

i was woundering is it posible for a shadow wive Ueser to be lawful/Nut?
I have always wanted to make a batman like character in D&D 3.5

At first I tried a simply Rogue, but they're too sneaky for batman

Then I tried a Bard/Rouge, still not working

I was wondering is it possible for a shadow weave user to be lawful/neutral?
That's better.

Now, to begin with this is not really the right forum for this type of question, where you are predominantly asking us to give you ideas for a Batman build. However, it also stands to possibility that Batman is not Lawful Neutral or any combination thereof, especially depending on which version you read.

For example, the original 70's TV show Batman probably qualifies as Lawful Good, but the more recent Frank Miller certainly verges on an Evil axis if he hasn't sunk to it already.

There is already a number of threads in the Character Optimisation board practically dedicated to determining his true alignment, so you can take some liberties as dictated by the necessities of your character.
Sikyanakotik
10-11-06, 08:58 PM I think the Vigilante prestige class, presented in Complete Adventurer, would be an optimal choice for a Batman-like character. Of course, many of his abilities are restricted to a single city, so that may pose problems for your campaign. If you don't mind being a little more mystical, which doesn't seem to be a problem for you, you might also want to check out the Ninja class from the same book.
Melee_Strongfist
10-12-06, 04:11 PM But let say a Young childed goes throw his whole life never know about the shadow weave and he never think a bad thing in his life.. what then?
Lyinginbedmon
10-12-06, 06:32 PM But lets say that a Young child goes through his whole life never knowing about the shadow weave and he never thought a bad thing in his life.. what then?
We'd slap an orange toga on him and call him Ghandi ;)

Everyone has 'bad' thoughts, it's the human condition! Now, the shadow weave is another matter, they might not seek it out but given promise they will almost certainly seek them out.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Melee_Strongfist 10-11-06, 03:52 PM	I have alway wanted to to make a bat man like Cahrter in D&D 3.5 A frist i tryed a Simple Rouge.. But there st Sneaky for batman then i tryed a bard/rouge stell not working i was woundering is it posible for a shadow wive Ueser to be lawful/Nut?
hisnamehere 10-11-06, 06:16 PM	Well...Batman doesn't exactly use spells, does he? Why do you need to be a Shadow Weave user? The great thing about the Shadow Weave is that Shar controls it, and she is the Goddess of Secrets. She is very mysterious and secretive, and no one knows her goals. Heck, she was one of the original gods and controls the the Shadow Weave just as Mystra controls the Weave, yet she is not often in the limelight - no doubt her own doing. Anyone can tap the Shadow Weave (I think - check the feat in FRCS and/or PGtF) as long as Shar lets them. A vigilante like Batman, walking such a fine line between hero and psycho, would be a great person for Shar to tempt with Shadow Weave power. Give them the power, then let them ruin themselves with it, eventually turning over to the shadow side. I've always viewed Batman as a rogue/monk. His unarmed skill is unmatched, he uses batarangs (shuriken), and definately has Leap of the Clouds-like physical ability. I'd find some rules, or write some yourself, for a battle cloak - a reinforced, heavy cloak that you can use to defend yourself. Add some fun feats - such as Exotic Weapon Prof (battle cloak), one to 'conceal' yourself in the cloak, one to gain hide bonuses with it, one to slow your fall with it - and you have a unique individual. My advise of course is to take the idea of Batman and make it new; create your own vigilante. Maybe yours does use magic, and Shadow Weave magic at that. Maybe yours is more like Venom - a savage, barbaric, and unstoppable primal force that brings wrath to the ruinous. In my experience, simply reproducing an existing personality as a PC is fun, but ultimately not as fun too play as a unique character. Also, even if you do enjoy the copied character, you'll find that a campaign does not always let your character exist within its predetermined personality. Hope something in there was useful, Communicator
Lyinginbedmon 10-11-06, 06:32 PM	I have alway wanted to to make a bat man like Cahrter in D&D 3.5 A frist i tryed a Simple Rouge.. But there st Sneaky for batman then i tryed a bard/rouge stell not working i was woundering is it posible for a shadow wive Ueser to be lawful/Nut? I have always wanted to make a batman like character in D&D 3.5 At first I tried a simply Rogue, but they're too sneaky for batman Then I tried a Bard/Rouge, still not working I was wondering is it possible for a shadow weave user to be lawful/neutral? That's better. Now, to begin with this is not really the right forum for this type of question, where you are predominantly asking us to give you ideas for a Batman build. However, it also stands to possibility that Batman is not Lawful Neutral or any combination thereof, especially depending on which version you read. For example, the original 70's TV show Batman probably qualifies as Lawful Good, but the more recent Frank Miller certainly verges on an Evil axis if he hasn't sunk to it already. There is already a number of threads in the Character Optimisation board practically dedicated to determining his true alignment, so you can take some liberties as dictated by the necessities of your character.
Sikyanakotik 10-11-06, 08:58 PM	I think the Vigilante prestige class, presented in Complete Adventurer, would be an optimal choice for a Batman-like character. Of course, many of his abilities are restricted to a single city, so that may pose problems for your campaign. If you don't mind being a little more mystical, which doesn't seem to be a problem for you, you might also want to check out the Ninja class from the same book.
Melee_Strongfist 10-12-06, 04:11 PM	But let say a Young childed goes throw his whole life never know about the shadow weave and he never think a bad thing in his life.. what then?
Lyinginbedmon 10-12-06, 06:32 PM	But lets say that a Young child goes through his whole life never knowing about the shadow weave and he never thought a bad thing in his life.. what then? We'd slap an orange toga on him and call him Ghandi ;) Everyone has 'bad' thoughts, it's the human condition! Now, the shadow weave is another matter, they might not seek it out but given promise they will almost certainly seek them out.