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Epicuris 07-23-04, 12:10 PM	I'm starting a new campaign and we all agreed to create "organic characters" according to the rules in the DMG. I rolled these stats: Str - 11 Dex - 13 Con - 12 Int - 14 Wis - 13 Cha - 12 As you can see, I have all above average stats but not one that can be considered exceptional. The problem that I am having is that I have always played a character that I could "see to the end" (i.e. I would be able to reach Int of natural 19 by 16th level if I was playing a wizard). I haven't decided on a race or class and am allowed only the core rule books. I was hoping some of you could take a look at the this stat block and maybe see something that I am not. Any help would be appriciated. Thanks.
MetalGemini 07-23-04, 02:19 PM	Are you set on playing a wizard? If not, then I think you'd be ok with moving the 14 to another slot and pursuing another class. Move the 14 to Dex for a halfling or elf rogue. Move it to Str for a half-orc fighter or barbarian. Otherwise I think you will be hard pressed to get any stat very high, like with your wizard example.
The_Yellow_Dart_Swinger 07-23-04, 06:22 PM	The problem is that he can't move any stats with the organic rolling. The thing is that you roll in order of stats. Personally I would make a elf rogue. You have decent int for the skill points, and the race will kick the dex to 15. And hopefully you won't be doing too much front line combat. However this thread in general is better suited for the Character Optimization Board. (http://boards1.wizards.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=339) Since we are talking about stats and not the roleplaying aspect of those stats.
Epicuris 07-24-04, 12:58 AM	Originally posted by The_Yellow_Dart_Swinger The problem is that he can't move any stats with the organic rolling. The thing is that you roll in order of stats. Personally I would make a elf rogue. You have decent int for the skill points, and the race will kick the dex to 15. And hopefully you won't be doing too much front line combat. However this thread in general is better suited for the Character Optimization Board. (http://boards1.wizards.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=339) Since we are talking about stats and not the roleplaying aspect of those stats. Yeah... I'm stuck with the stats as is. The reason I am posting it here is because I'm not really looking to just min/max it, but if the stats could help with a story. Look at Raistlin from Dragonlance. He had a high intelligence, but a low Con. Certain stats can make for interesting characters and that is something I was curious about as well.
Persephone Imytholin 07-24-04, 09:11 AM	If you're more interested in roleplaying something off those stats, maybe you could try a (multiclassed?) bard who's more artist than performer. Your intelligence is good for craft skills, including visual arts. You'd be significantly* better than the average person with your chosen art form, and could be called in to investigate art theft or fraud, commissioned for portraits, or called upon for any number of other tasks. Your relatively low charisma, by bardic standards, could come about in a number of ways. Maybe you're distant, focused on your art above all else. Maybe you're a little arrogant, but still somehow likeable. Maybe you're just not very confident, and need to work on it over the course of your career. *14 is a 40% improvement on 10, after all.
Epicuris 07-24-04, 10:07 AM	Originally posted by Persephone Imytholin If you're more interested in roleplaying something off those stats, maybe you could try a (multiclassed?) bard who's more artist than performer. Your relatively low charisma, by bardic standards, could come about in a number of ways. Maybe you're distant, focused on your art above all else. Maybe you're a little arrogant, but still somehow likeable. Maybe you're just not very confident, and need to work on it over the course of your career. I like that interpretation. I've usually only multiclassed enough to qualify for PrC my DM is allowing. (In our campaigns, we cannot take PrC unless we are offered a position by a member of the organization.) I'll consider some multiclass options as our party is created. Thanks, Persephone. (I like the handle by the way.) As for anyone else continuing to read, don't be afraid to voice your opinions or ideas. :D
RaKhan 07-25-04, 06:55 PM	Originally posted by Epicuris I'm starting a new campaign and we all agreed to create "organic characters" according to the rules in the DMG. I rolled these stats: Str - 11 Dex - 13 Con - 12 Int - 14 Wis - 13 Cha - 12 If your DM is playing a relatively higher-powered campaign, then reroll your stats. :P Seriously, those stats are going to suck in difficult encounters. If the DM is running a lower-powered campaign, then play a rogue. That's about the only class that while will hurt from lower stats, it can still be moderately effective even at high levels with the class abilities and skills they get. Figure out what such a rogue's motivations are for continuing to live with his almost average self to determine what skills you might want to purchase and what alignment you want to roleplay.
Kitt-su 07-28-04, 12:50 AM	Why not play the stereo-typical gruff hard to hit dwarf, that wears so much armor you can hear him from a mile away. As stats go hes smart enough to ride horses well and do alot of similar stuff like that. If you've got a copy of the Eberron book look at the Education feat(Theres nothing funier when the fighter knows more than the wizard). Since AC has nothing to do with stats if your wearing full plate (You'll still grab your +1 dex mod to ac too). As far as storys go. It could be said your dwarf came from a militaristic sect of dwarves that felt they're warriors shouldn't be stupid and unknowledgeable (Reasons for education :) )