[Eberron] Suggest Hellboy-ish character ideas [Archive] - Wizards Community

[Eberron] Suggest Hellboy-ish character ideas [Archive] - Wizards Community

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oneiromorph
04-10-07, 03:35 PM One of the players in my upcoming Karrnathi Covert Ministry campaign wants to play a character in the vein of Hellboy since the game is largely inspired by BPRD and Planetary.

In otherwords, the player would like to be some kind of good demonic character with a mysterious past and a dangerous destiny. We were trying to brainstorm ideas for ways to integrate this into Eberron, maybe using the Lords of Dust, or the Daelkyr but I've got a bunch of work to do right now and he doesn't know jack about the setting. I've been suggesting a Tiefling or Wispling but honestly does anyone have any thoughts on the subject.
TheAnthroDM
04-10-07, 07:18 PM The Hellbred can fit into Eberron and I think that might be something like what you're looking for.
warlock_devilkill
04-11-07, 11:22 AM Hellboy needs to be someform of pit fiend without the wings.
Hideous Phidias
04-14-07, 01:04 AM I would have him go hlaf fiend or devil. If he does not want the level adjustment the maybe tieling. It is realy the class that will make the character. A melee warlock could be fun, someone with a large mormingstar. Or a cleric of the Host could be fun too.
Werebat
04-15-07, 08:19 PM One of the players in my upcoming Karrnathi Covert Ministry campaign wants to play a character in the vein of Hellboy since the game is largely inspired by BPRD and Planetary.

In otherwords, the player would like to be some kind of good demonic character with a mysterious past and a dangerous destiny. We were trying to brainstorm ideas for ways to integrate this into Eberron, maybe using the Lords of Dust, or the Daelkyr but I've got a bunch of work to do right now and he doesn't know jack about the setting. I've been suggesting a Tiefling or Wispling but honestly does anyone have any thoughts on the subject.

I've been playing a character for some time now that your player might be able to redo with one or more of his own twists.

He isn't really DEMONIC, but he THINKS he is. He's actually a human with the Draconic template, whose distant dragon ancestor is a fang dragon. The result is something that looks vaguely reminiscient of a Jem'Haddar from Star Trek: DS9, if you remember that show. With claws and red eyes.

I, too, modeled much of the character's personality after Hellboy. His dragon bloodline comes from his father, who doesn't actually look Draconic at all (we worked it out that it was so diluted in the family line that the template only manifested rarely, and the draconic ancestor was so long ago that the family had forgotten it and instead considered the occasional Draconic child to be "demonic" and the result of an ancient curse on the family line). At 15th level, he's only recently found out that he isn't demon-blooded at all, but rather Draconic.

In Eberron, this could easily be explained by an ancestor realizing that Draconic children would be hunted down and killed by the Chamber, so making up a story about demonic blood instead.

Anyway, with fang dragon blood you get a spiky, demonic appearance and a bad attitude. The character is Chaotic Neutral, and I went the chainfighter route partly because fang dragons get trip attacks with their natural weapons.

As for classes I used the Thug fighter variant from Unearthed Arcana as well as plain old Rogue levels. Basically I took two levels of Thug for every Rogue level to make a front-line fighter with some urban street skills and a dash of sneak attack to emulate dirty fighting. Of course I also took levels in Exotic Weapon Master.

Here's my build, probably not optimized but it worked well enough. Note also that this build gives a good number of skill points that should be mapped in advance due to the constant class changing -- indeed the high number of skill points is one of the strong suits of the build (and really THE reason to stick with Thug levels beyond a certain point). I focused on Charisma skills like Bluff, Intimidate, Gather Info, and Use Magic Device (very important for using wands for combat buffs -- Blink rules!) as well as "street smarts" skills like Knowledge: Local. Max out Spot with Rogue levels too because you get a +2 bonus from Draconic. Wisdom was my dump stat, which meant I had to spend a couple of feats to help out my abysmal Will save.

1. Rog1 * * (Combat Reflexes, Combat Expertise)
2. Thg1
3. Thg2 * * (XWP: Spiked Chain, Improved Trip)
4. Rog2
5. Thg3
6. Thg4 * * (WF: Spiked Chain, WS: Spiked Chain)
7. Rog3
8. XWM1
9. XWM2 * (Force of Personality)
10.Rog4
11.Thg5
12.Thg6 * * (Iron Will, Power Attack)
13.Rog5
14.Thg7
15.Thg8 * * (Cleave, Great Cleave)
16.Rog6
17.Thg9
18.Thg10 * * (???, ???)
19.Rog7
20.XWM3

I'm sure your player could edit to taste, it's the first three levels that really matter. I'd recommend the Precise Strike feat early on in particular. I took Force of Personality because my character had a Wisdom of 8 and a Charisma of 14.

- Ron ^*^
Ront Iron-Roar
04-16-07, 08:42 AM Hellboy needs to be someform of pit fiend without the wings.

Actually if you look at him Hellboy's more of a Barbazu without much of a beard.
CrimsonDeath
04-16-07, 04:30 PM If you mainly want the one big arm, I can think of two low-LA options. One would be a Daelkyr Halfblood with a Crawling Gauntlet symbiote. For the other... There's a Yugoloth (whose name I've forgotten) that has one big, muscular arm and one small, wimpy arm. You could play a high-Strength Tiefling with one of those guys as your fiendish ancestor.
Werebat
04-17-07, 02:19 AM If you mainly want the one big arm, I can think of two low-LA options. One would be a Daelkyr Halfblood with a Crawling Gauntlet symbiote. For the other... There's a Yugoloth (whose name I've forgotten) that has one big, muscular arm and one small, wimpy arm. You could play a high-Strength Tiefling with one of those guys as your fiendish ancestor.

Actually, the Daelkyr Halfblood works particularly well, for the movie version of Hellboy at least. The things from "Hell" looked a lot more like things from Xoriat in that movie...

The frog "demons" from the comic make me think more of Slaad, though, which means Chaond.

- Ron ^*^
Ront Iron-Roar
04-17-07, 08:13 AM Frog demons could possibly just be modified kuo-toa.

Just give them the feral template and a tongue attack that paralyzes or poisons.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
oneiromorph 04-10-07, 03:35 PM	One of the players in my upcoming Karrnathi Covert Ministry campaign wants to play a character in the vein of Hellboy since the game is largely inspired by BPRD and Planetary. In otherwords, the player would like to be some kind of good demonic character with a mysterious past and a dangerous destiny. We were trying to brainstorm ideas for ways to integrate this into Eberron, maybe using the Lords of Dust, or the Daelkyr but I've got a bunch of work to do right now and he doesn't know jack about the setting. I've been suggesting a Tiefling or Wispling but honestly does anyone have any thoughts on the subject.
TheAnthroDM 04-10-07, 07:18 PM	The Hellbred can fit into Eberron and I think that might be something like what you're looking for.
warlock_devilkill 04-11-07, 11:22 AM	Hellboy needs to be someform of pit fiend without the wings.
Hideous Phidias 04-14-07, 01:04 AM	I would have him go hlaf fiend or devil. If he does not want the level adjustment the maybe tieling. It is realy the class that will make the character. A melee warlock could be fun, someone with a large mormingstar. Or a cleric of the Host could be fun too.
Werebat 04-15-07, 08:19 PM	One of the players in my upcoming Karrnathi Covert Ministry campaign wants to play a character in the vein of Hellboy since the game is largely inspired by BPRD and Planetary. In otherwords, the player would like to be some kind of good demonic character with a mysterious past and a dangerous destiny. We were trying to brainstorm ideas for ways to integrate this into Eberron, maybe using the Lords of Dust, or the Daelkyr but I've got a bunch of work to do right now and he doesn't know jack about the setting. I've been suggesting a Tiefling or Wispling but honestly does anyone have any thoughts on the subject. I've been playing a character for some time now that your player might be able to redo with one or more of his own twists. He isn't really DEMONIC, but he THINKS he is. He's actually a human with the Draconic template, whose distant dragon ancestor is a fang dragon. The result is something that looks vaguely reminiscient of a Jem'Haddar from Star Trek: DS9, if you remember that show. With claws and red eyes. I, too, modeled much of the character's personality after Hellboy. His dragon bloodline comes from his father, who doesn't actually look Draconic at all (we worked it out that it was so diluted in the family line that the template only manifested rarely, and the draconic ancestor was so long ago that the family had forgotten it and instead considered the occasional Draconic child to be "demonic" and the result of an ancient curse on the family line). At 15th level, he's only recently found out that he isn't demon-blooded at all, but rather Draconic. In Eberron, this could easily be explained by an ancestor realizing that Draconic children would be hunted down and killed by the Chamber, so making up a story about demonic blood instead. Anyway, with fang dragon blood you get a spiky, demonic appearance and a bad attitude. The character is Chaotic Neutral, and I went the chainfighter route partly because fang dragons get trip attacks with their natural weapons. As for classes I used the Thug fighter variant from Unearthed Arcana as well as plain old Rogue levels. Basically I took two levels of Thug for every Rogue level to make a front-line fighter with some urban street skills and a dash of sneak attack to emulate dirty fighting. Of course I also took levels in Exotic Weapon Master. Here's my build, probably not optimized but it worked well enough. Note also that this build gives a good number of skill points that should be mapped in advance due to the constant class changing -- indeed the high number of skill points is one of the strong suits of the build (and really THE reason to stick with Thug levels beyond a certain point). I focused on Charisma skills like Bluff, Intimidate, Gather Info, and Use Magic Device (very important for using wands for combat buffs -- Blink rules!) as well as "street smarts" skills like Knowledge: Local. Max out Spot with Rogue levels too because you get a +2 bonus from Draconic. Wisdom was my dump stat, which meant I had to spend a couple of feats to help out my abysmal Will save. 1. Rog1 * * (Combat Reflexes, Combat Expertise) 2. Thg1 3. Thg2 * * (XWP: Spiked Chain, Improved Trip) 4. Rog2 5. Thg3 6. Thg4 * * (WF: Spiked Chain, WS: Spiked Chain) 7. Rog3 8. XWM1 9. XWM2 * (Force of Personality) 10.Rog4 11.Thg5 12.Thg6 * * (Iron Will, Power Attack) 13.Rog5 14.Thg7 15.Thg8 * * (Cleave, Great Cleave) 16.Rog6 17.Thg9 18.Thg10 * * (???, ???) 19.Rog7 20.XWM3 I'm sure your player could edit to taste, it's the first three levels that really matter. I'd recommend the Precise Strike feat early on in particular. I took Force of Personality because my character had a Wisdom of 8 and a Charisma of 14. - Ron ^*^
Ront Iron-Roar 04-16-07, 08:42 AM	Hellboy needs to be someform of pit fiend without the wings. Actually if you look at him Hellboy's more of a Barbazu without much of a beard.
CrimsonDeath 04-16-07, 04:30 PM	If you mainly want the one big arm, I can think of two low-LA options. One would be a Daelkyr Halfblood with a Crawling Gauntlet symbiote. For the other... There's a Yugoloth (whose name I've forgotten) that has one big, muscular arm and one small, wimpy arm. You could play a high-Strength Tiefling with one of those guys as your fiendish ancestor.
Werebat 04-17-07, 02:19 AM	If you mainly want the one big arm, I can think of two low-LA options. One would be a Daelkyr Halfblood with a Crawling Gauntlet symbiote. For the other... There's a Yugoloth (whose name I've forgotten) that has one big, muscular arm and one small, wimpy arm. You could play a high-Strength Tiefling with one of those guys as your fiendish ancestor. Actually, the Daelkyr Halfblood works particularly well, for the movie version of Hellboy at least. The things from "Hell" looked a lot more like things from Xoriat in that movie... The frog "demons" from the comic make me think more of Slaad, though, which means Chaond. - Ron ^*^
Ront Iron-Roar 04-17-07, 08:13 AM	Frog demons could possibly just be modified kuo-toa. Just give them the feral template and a tongue attack that paralyzes or poisons.