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Lord_of_the_Seven_Towers
10-26-03, 02:29 PM I just finished reading the "Kurrin the Red Lighting" post based on the character Krim from .hack//sign. I have a similar but harder question to answer. Does anyone have a build for the character Alucard (Arucard) from Hellsing? I read in the back of the Hellsing fan's companion that you could adapt the BESM game to make the hellsing characters, they had characters for Arucard and Celes, Walter etc. What i'm looking for is a build that is based on d20 wizards material. Does anyone think this is possible? Personnaly I doubt it, Epic no doubts. All you can really say is that the build should incorporate the vampire template. How would you duplicate the special powers of Arucard, Sorcerer? Maybe this would work if you created new spells using the rule in the DMG. I wouldn't go down the route of gunslinger or anything like that from D20 Modern, although Arucard seemingly enjoys firing his weapons i would say his ability with them comes from his superb dexterity not from specific weapon focus. He only even uses firearms because he doesn't always have call for his higher 'order' powers. Anyway what about a PrC like shadowdancer/telflammer shadow lord, to duplicate his ability to disappear or appear at will. However giving him mainly spell casting (or other non-sombat) classes will probably make hima weaker fighter (even with vamp. template) than the equivelant CR fighter, which seems wrong. like i say very hard. Maybe if he was fighter 10/Shadow Dancer 10/Sorcerer 30 (like i say EPIC !). That's just a wild stab and bare in mind most of his spells would have to be invented. So does anyone else have any ideas how to accomplish this?
catharz
10-26-03, 03:17 PM Well, all I can say is there are 5 levels of Telflammar shadowlord in there somewhere. *Falls into a wall and jumps out of some shadow elsewhere*

In any case, this is a C.D. question, not a C.O. one.

Oh ya, and have you ever thought of formatting your posts to make them readable?
Ryunnosuke
10-26-03, 03:21 PM I've never seen Hellsing before, but I've heard it's really good. I've also heard that many people call Alucard the "Evil Vash the Stampede". I don't know how true this is, but I have seen Trigun, before it even came on Cartoon Network, and I've seen it in it's entirety.

Vash the Stampede, (some type of Celestial)
Paladin 2/ Ranger 3/ Fighter 8/ Pistoleer 8/ Ghostwalker 6

That's a good example of Vash for me. Paladin and Ranger because the abilities show how he inspires his friends and has good survivablity skills on a desert planet, Fighter for the the sheer amount of years he's spent training his combat skills, Pistoleer (from Ravenloft) which is what most gunslingers in anime are, if you have to use d20 and not BESM, and Ghostwalker because he travels around so much on his personal quest for "LOVE AND PEACE"!

So, if you're going to stat Alucard, I'm guessing Fighter Dexterity gun based with Pistoleer or Ghostwalker, and if he's evil Blackguard or Assassian. You don't want to dip into many campaign types if you can, so that you can use the build in any setting (exception for Pistoleer, but maybe you can convince the DM). And you're right about the Vampiric template.
Hanniball
10-26-03, 04:09 PM nevermind...
Lord_of_the_Seven_Towers
10-26-03, 04:56 PM Looking at my orignal post i think maybe sorcerer 30 is a bit excessive maybe 22. That would make it 42 levels +8 for vampire, nice round number. Hannibal, what was the nevermind... post about?
WizO_Autumn
10-26-03, 07:11 PM Moved to the Character Development board.
Arilou_skiff
10-27-03, 02:04 PM Alucard (I've no idea why the spell it with r, must be the weird japanese inability to separate these two letters) (the reason it's clearly supposed to be "Alucard" is pretty simple: Reverse it! What do you get? Dracula, ties it in with the entire Van Helsing family too :D )
Skyrocket
10-28-03, 12:54 AM My min/max master buddy told me once anything a 17th level sorcerer can do anything Alucard can. Toss on a few levels of fighter, aristocrate (because of who Alucard really is) and maybe some levels of Vampire Lord and you have (slighty Epic) Alucard really to go.

Make everyone else with D20 Modern but toss out the alignment rule for vampires. Hail the No Life King! :king:
Lord_of_the_Seven_Towers
10-28-03, 06:52 AM Yeah obviously Alucard is Dracula backwards. But I've also seen him Called Arkard and in the official companion his name is Arucard, and Celes is called Ceres. Though Walter is not Warter. Anyone that's not important. I guess you'd need some sort of boost to his vampiric regeneration abilties, maybe from a feat. yeah i guess you could build him according to the history of Dracula. With Fighter levels, the Commander PrC from Wheel of Time for Vlad 'the imapler' Dracuul (or whatever) , then Vampire template. Then i guess more fighter or even barabrian levels. Then aristocrat or noble levels. Plus a load of sorcerer levels to get those spell like abilities. Then Some modern classes. Like Tough hero 3/Fast hero 10 maybe. So what about:
Fighter 6
Commander 3
(Vampire +8 ECL)
Barabrian 4
Sorcerer 17
Noble 2
Tough Hero 3
Fast hero 7
Giving: Level 42, ECL 50, CR 44.
Skyrocket
10-28-03, 10:32 PM I think that`s over done. I`d say about 30 levles max.
Mefhiston
10-30-03, 02:54 AM Originally posted by Skyrocket
I think that`s over done. I`d say about 30 levles max.

Overdone? Hardly. If I were ever to have Alucard in one of my games of whatever rpg, and he got ****** at them, I wood say somthing like "the battle carries on for a while and you realax for a moment when several solid hits connect and he drops to the floor. Your just stunned as he regenerates and gets up befor you, then you die".

From what I understood of the series, he is a no life king, meening that hes eaten his sire. The funny thing about that is that I think he used to be a 2.genaration. Need I say moore?
Panhandler
10-30-03, 03:14 PM I did a build for Alucard in D20 Modern awhile back. Take a shoggoth lord from Call of Cthulhu, slap on the vampiric template, then give it 5 levels of Charismatic Hero, and the build can do just about everything Alucard can, down to his tendancy to taunt his opponents/victims.

Sure, you could give him additional hero levels, particularly in the Fast class (to account for gunman abilities), but it's just adding insult to injury. The Shog/Vampire/Charismatic 5 Alucard had a challenge rating somewhere around 23, if I recall correctly.

[edit] In fairness, a CR of 23 is fairly ungodly in Modern, but it's nothing major in epic D&D, so obviously, your mileage may vary.
Lord_of_the_Seven_Towers
10-30-03, 07:19 PM lol, marrying Call of Cthulhu and Hellsing I love it! Personally i don;t think i over did it a lot. Alucard is better compared to a lesser elder than a human. I think the Shog/Vampire/Charismatic 5 would actually have a CR of 28, but nevermind. Alucard deserves to be trully epic, he fights the True Undead, alive since before mankind and actually wins. He has powers that can't be even compared to thngs in DnD like his ability to regenerate from beyond destruction (episode 13, where he regenerates using the blood in the building). So i have a new plan: Vampire/Curst (from monster of faerun), "If reduced to 0 hit points, cursts are not slain" sounds good and so does" if decipatated the curst's body disintergrates in to dust (read black goo), and the new bosy regenerates from the head. I also like "...trapped under a curse that will not let them die. The major problem is a curst loses all spellcasting abilities, but it does not say you cannot gain them after death :). So maybe a vampire/curst (if possible?) to add that needed extra regeneration. Does anyone know the ECL of a curst? It can't be just +1, can it?
Vaalingrade Ashland
10-31-03, 04:34 PM Alucard (pronunciation makes it Arucard, BTW), is best made using Dieties and Demigods. Yes, he is that powerful. I'd put him at divine rank three, though Alucard as we see him is an avatar (his true power being kept in check by whatever the van Hellsing family did to seal his power.

He's crawling with spellike abilites: Creeping Doom, Deeper Darkness, Shapechange (mostly to some type of upwardly mobile ooze), Finger of Death, Disrupt undead, etc.

He's also an amazing gunslinger (hence the Vash comparison), and for all intents and purposes, a Good cleric (you know, except for all the evil)

I suggest making a unique monster, else getting with massive templates.
Lord_of_the_Seven_Towers
11-04-03, 02:54 PM K, good plan Vaal, i've got a copy of deities and demigods so i'll take a look. I'm not familiar with the divine rank rules, so i'll have to read up on it. I don't know what sort of avatar he would be though? To the van hellsings? not really, to a god? i doubt it, as "Bram Stoker's Dracula" (cant stand the movie personally but anyway) tells us he recounted his faith and abandoned god. Anyway maybe u can argue that the 'Dark Powers' (*cough* RL) have given him the curse of vampirism and some divine power? though i believe in hellsing they claim he was sired. None the less, i'll give it a look.
DrakeRunner
11-04-03, 06:04 PM Originally posted by Vaalingrade Ashland
pronunciation makes it Arucard, BTW

Only because there is no L sound in Japanese. Dracula is pronounced Drack-you-luh, not Drack-you-ruh, and Alucard's name we all know comes from that.
Jastra of the clawed hand
11-16-03, 06:21 PM Well, whatever he may be, I guess the avatar thing comes close.
Maybe the Hellsings slapped him with one or two Greater Geas' to keep him from using his full powers ( and given what he already did with Level 1 ( and that was "partial", as he called it), I really don't want to think about that).
BTW, what about his alignment? I'd say he is CN - he never showed exceptional malice except when dealing with vampires. He also is not good as well, given who he is ( and if anyone had any doubts about Alucard's true name/origins, watch Ep 13 and look close when Incognito asks him what he is....when the lightning flashes, the right half of his face is suddenly that of a man with a mustache...who looks EXACTLY like old pictures of Vlad the Impaler).....
What do you thin? What alignment would suit him?
Skyrocket
11-16-03, 10:38 PM Alucard is CE. He enjoys killing. A lot. He`s just bound to the Hellsings. Otherwise he`d be out terrorising someone. However, he has grown fond of Integra, Walter and Ceres. Of course, being CE doesn`t mean you can`t like other non-evil people.
Mefhiston
11-17-03, 06:31 AM In my oppinion Alucard seald away his own power, an befor each fight he unlocks sertant seals in order to get a fair fight with his opponents. He threw the key to the final seal to the Hellsing family, the reason i think of is because he dosent consider humans worty foe (hence he hunts vamps).

O, and Skyrocket, I agree on the CE.
GenericDreamers
11-19-03, 04:02 AM We get flashbacks of Alucard fighting guys with machine guns effortlessly only to wind up straightjacketed and tossed in the sealed room, only to be released by Integra as a child. The hellsing family most likely put up the power locks that he can voluntarily break only on certain conditions, the final one requiring consent of the rightful head of the family.

He's most likely LE, he never resents the fact that he takes orders, he dosen't think of all about how to beat his restrictions, he still gets to do his fair share of killing, why go chaotic if that means everyone's going to work together to stop him again?

I don't have BoVD, so I don't know any arcane powers that can revive someone using blood (The tower of london has a bloody history, mind you), though yes, everything else is standard sorcerer fare.

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Lord_of_the_Seven_Towers 10-26-03, 02:29 PM	I just finished reading the "Kurrin the Red Lighting" post based on the character Krim from .hack//sign. I have a similar but harder question to answer. Does anyone have a build for the character Alucard (Arucard) from Hellsing? I read in the back of the Hellsing fan's companion that you could adapt the BESM game to make the hellsing characters, they had characters for Arucard and Celes, Walter etc. What i'm looking for is a build that is based on d20 wizards material. Does anyone think this is possible? Personnaly I doubt it, Epic no doubts. All you can really say is that the build should incorporate the vampire template. How would you duplicate the special powers of Arucard, Sorcerer? Maybe this would work if you created new spells using the rule in the DMG. I wouldn't go down the route of gunslinger or anything like that from D20 Modern, although Arucard seemingly enjoys firing his weapons i would say his ability with them comes from his superb dexterity not from specific weapon focus. He only even uses firearms because he doesn't always have call for his higher 'order' powers. Anyway what about a PrC like shadowdancer/telflammer shadow lord, to duplicate his ability to disappear or appear at will. However giving him mainly spell casting (or other non-sombat) classes will probably make hima weaker fighter (even with vamp. template) than the equivelant CR fighter, which seems wrong. like i say very hard. Maybe if he was fighter 10/Shadow Dancer 10/Sorcerer 30 (like i say EPIC !). That's just a wild stab and bare in mind most of his spells would have to be invented. So does anyone else have any ideas how to accomplish this?
catharz 10-26-03, 03:17 PM	Well, all I can say is there are 5 levels of Telflammar shadowlord in there somewhere. Falls into a wall and jumps out of some shadow elsewhere In any case, this is a C.D. question, not a C.O. one. Oh ya, and have you ever thought of formatting your posts to make them readable?
Ryunnosuke 10-26-03, 03:21 PM	I've never seen Hellsing before, but I've heard it's really good. I've also heard that many people call Alucard the "Evil Vash the Stampede". I don't know how true this is, but I have seen Trigun, before it even came on Cartoon Network, and I've seen it in it's entirety. Vash the Stampede, (some type of Celestial) Paladin 2/ Ranger 3/ Fighter 8/ Pistoleer 8/ Ghostwalker 6 That's a good example of Vash for me. Paladin and Ranger because the abilities show how he inspires his friends and has good survivablity skills on a desert planet, Fighter for the the sheer amount of years he's spent training his combat skills, Pistoleer (from Ravenloft) which is what most gunslingers in anime are, if you have to use d20 and not BESM, and Ghostwalker because he travels around so much on his personal quest for "LOVE AND PEACE"! So, if you're going to stat Alucard, I'm guessing Fighter Dexterity gun based with Pistoleer or Ghostwalker, and if he's evil Blackguard or Assassian. You don't want to dip into many campaign types if you can, so that you can use the build in any setting (exception for Pistoleer, but maybe you can convince the DM). And you're right about the Vampiric template.
Hanniball 10-26-03, 04:09 PM	nevermind...
Lord_of_the_Seven_Towers 10-26-03, 04:56 PM	Looking at my orignal post i think maybe sorcerer 30 is a bit excessive maybe 22. That would make it 42 levels +8 for vampire, nice round number. Hannibal, what was the nevermind... post about?
WizO_Autumn 10-26-03, 07:11 PM	Moved to the Character Development board.
Arilou_skiff 10-27-03, 02:04 PM	Alucard (I've no idea why the spell it with r, must be the weird japanese inability to separate these two letters) (the reason it's clearly supposed to be "Alucard" is pretty simple: Reverse it! What do you get? Dracula, ties it in with the entire Van Helsing family too :D )
Skyrocket 10-28-03, 12:54 AM	My min/max master buddy told me once anything a 17th level sorcerer can do anything Alucard can. Toss on a few levels of fighter, aristocrate (because of who Alucard really is) and maybe some levels of Vampire Lord and you have (slighty Epic) Alucard really to go. Make everyone else with D20 Modern but toss out the alignment rule for vampires. Hail the No Life King! :king:
Lord_of_the_Seven_Towers 10-28-03, 06:52 AM	Yeah obviously Alucard is Dracula backwards. But I've also seen him Called Arkard and in the official companion his name is Arucard, and Celes is called Ceres. Though Walter is not Warter. Anyone that's not important. I guess you'd need some sort of boost to his vampiric regeneration abilties, maybe from a feat. yeah i guess you could build him according to the history of Dracula. With Fighter levels, the Commander PrC from Wheel of Time for Vlad 'the imapler' Dracuul (or whatever) , then Vampire template. Then i guess more fighter or even barabrian levels. Then aristocrat or noble levels. Plus a load of sorcerer levels to get those spell like abilities. Then Some modern classes. Like Tough hero 3/Fast hero 10 maybe. So what about: Fighter 6 Commander 3 (Vampire +8 ECL) Barabrian 4 Sorcerer 17 Noble 2 Tough Hero 3 Fast hero 7 Giving: Level 42, ECL 50, CR 44.
Skyrocket 10-28-03, 10:32 PM	I think that`s over done. I`d say about 30 levles max.
Mefhiston 10-30-03, 02:54 AM	Originally posted by Skyrocket I think that`s over done. I`d say about 30 levles max. Overdone? Hardly. If I were ever to have Alucard in one of my games of whatever rpg, and he got ****** at them, I wood say somthing like "the battle carries on for a while and you realax for a moment when several solid hits connect and he drops to the floor. Your just stunned as he regenerates and gets up befor you, then you die". From what I understood of the series, he is a no life king, meening that hes eaten his sire. The funny thing about that is that I think he used to be a 2.genaration. Need I say moore?
Panhandler 10-30-03, 03:14 PM	I did a build for Alucard in D20 Modern awhile back. Take a shoggoth lord from Call of Cthulhu, slap on the vampiric template, then give it 5 levels of Charismatic Hero, and the build can do just about everything Alucard can, down to his tendancy to taunt his opponents/victims. Sure, you could give him additional hero levels, particularly in the Fast class (to account for gunman abilities), but it's just adding insult to injury. The Shog/Vampire/Charismatic 5 Alucard had a challenge rating somewhere around 23, if I recall correctly. [edit] In fairness, a CR of 23 is fairly ungodly in Modern, but it's nothing major in epic D&D, so obviously, your mileage may vary.
Lord_of_the_Seven_Towers 10-30-03, 07:19 PM	lol, marrying Call of Cthulhu and Hellsing I love it! Personally i don;t think i over did it a lot. Alucard is better compared to a lesser elder than a human. I think the Shog/Vampire/Charismatic 5 would actually have a CR of 28, but nevermind. Alucard deserves to be trully epic, he fights the True Undead, alive since before mankind and actually wins. He has powers that can't be even compared to thngs in DnD like his ability to regenerate from beyond destruction (episode 13, where he regenerates using the blood in the building). So i have a new plan: Vampire/Curst (from monster of faerun), "If reduced to 0 hit points, cursts are not slain" sounds good and so does" if decipatated the curst's body disintergrates in to dust (read black goo), and the new bosy regenerates from the head. I also like "...trapped under a curse that will not let them die. The major problem is a curst loses all spellcasting abilities, but it does not say you cannot gain them after death :). So maybe a vampire/curst (if possible?) to add that needed extra regeneration. Does anyone know the ECL of a curst? It can't be just +1, can it?
Vaalingrade Ashland 10-31-03, 04:34 PM	Alucard (pronunciation makes it Arucard, BTW), is best made using Dieties and Demigods. Yes, he is that powerful. I'd put him at divine rank three, though Alucard as we see him is an avatar (his true power being kept in check by whatever the van Hellsing family did to seal his power. He's crawling with spellike abilites: Creeping Doom, Deeper Darkness, Shapechange (mostly to some type of upwardly mobile ooze), Finger of Death, Disrupt undead, etc. He's also an amazing gunslinger (hence the Vash comparison), and for all intents and purposes, a Good cleric (you know, except for all the evil) I suggest making a unique monster, else getting with massive templates.
Lord_of_the_Seven_Towers 11-04-03, 02:54 PM	K, good plan Vaal, i've got a copy of deities and demigods so i'll take a look. I'm not familiar with the divine rank rules, so i'll have to read up on it. I don't know what sort of avatar he would be though? To the van hellsings? not really, to a god? i doubt it, as "Bram Stoker's Dracula" (cant stand the movie personally but anyway) tells us he recounted his faith and abandoned god. Anyway maybe u can argue that the 'Dark Powers' (cough RL) have given him the curse of vampirism and some divine power? though i believe in hellsing they claim he was sired. None the less, i'll give it a look.
DrakeRunner 11-04-03, 06:04 PM	Originally posted by Vaalingrade Ashland pronunciation makes it Arucard, BTW Only because there is no L sound in Japanese. Dracula is pronounced Drack-you-luh, not Drack-you-ruh, and Alucard's name we all know comes from that.
Jastra of the clawed hand 11-16-03, 06:21 PM	Well, whatever he may be, I guess the avatar thing comes close. Maybe the Hellsings slapped him with one or two Greater Geas' to keep him from using his full powers ( and given what he already did with Level 1 ( and that was "partial", as he called it), I really don't want to think about that). BTW, what about his alignment? I'd say he is CN - he never showed exceptional malice except when dealing with vampires. He also is not good as well, given who he is ( and if anyone had any doubts about Alucard's true name/origins, watch Ep 13 and look close when Incognito asks him what he is....when the lightning flashes, the right half of his face is suddenly that of a man with a mustache...who looks EXACTLY like old pictures of Vlad the Impaler)..... What do you thin? What alignment would suit him?
Skyrocket 11-16-03, 10:38 PM	Alucard is CE. He enjoys killing. A lot. He`s just bound to the Hellsings. Otherwise he`d be out terrorising someone. However, he has grown fond of Integra, Walter and Ceres. Of course, being CE doesn`t mean you can`t like other non-evil people.
Mefhiston 11-17-03, 06:31 AM	In my oppinion Alucard seald away his own power, an befor each fight he unlocks sertant seals in order to get a fair fight with his opponents. He threw the key to the final seal to the Hellsing family, the reason i think of is because he dosent consider humans worty foe (hence he hunts vamps). O, and Skyrocket, I agree on the CE.
GenericDreamers 11-19-03, 04:02 AM	We get flashbacks of Alucard fighting guys with machine guns effortlessly only to wind up straightjacketed and tossed in the sealed room, only to be released by Integra as a child. The hellsing family most likely put up the power locks that he can voluntarily break only on certain conditions, the final one requiring consent of the rightful head of the family. He's most likely LE, he never resents the fact that he takes orders, he dosen't think of all about how to beat his restrictions, he still gets to do his fair share of killing, why go chaotic if that means everyone's going to work together to stop him again? I don't have BoVD, so I don't know any arcane powers that can revive someone using blood (The tower of london has a bloody history, mind you), though yes, everything else is standard sorcerer fare.