Moral problem & Falling into alcoholics? Help thx [Archive] - Wizards Community

Moral problem & Falling into alcoholics? Help thx [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Manfred
12-26-03, 08:01 AM Hi, first of all, sory for my rough english, I'm italian and I'll try to explain myself as good as I can.

I'm currently playing a viking cleric of Thor in a campaign based on real earth (with magic and monsters). I'm young (20 years) but in last couple of years I've travelled from Scandinavia to France, Greece, Egypt and back to France, and raised in power thank to my deity (9th level cleric).

The party is pretty much good, and we are fighting to stop the awakening of a great evil which was forced into a magical prison 1000 years ago. We know that there are other adventurers (evil), that are aware of us as well, who are trying to help the big bad evil guy.

Our party's mage is a shadow mage, and last time I cast detect evil I found him evil, but he never did anything evil since I know him, he helped us a lot.

Last session we arrived in a old temple, shrouded in a magical darkness, everyone in the party had to roll a save vs will, and those that failed could not enter because of fear. Also the mage failed his save, but the master told him he felt compelled to enter.

That same night, after all the combats with the undead in the temple (and the mage helping us in the combat), while we were all sleeping except for the elf that was making guard, the elf made a coup de grace against the mage, killing him. After that he told us that he did what had to be done, better now than waiting for the mage betraying us.

Now my 2 question:

My cleric was shocked at this, they both were friends, and I think I'd like to roleplay him in alcoholism, because of what happened.

How would you roleplay that?

and question 2, as a cleric of Thor, how would you aùhandle the problem about the elf?

thanks a lot

Nic
Boxphet
12-26-03, 08:29 AM If you are playing a real earth campaign with the deities of the old norse gods working for you, one might be able to find the answer in the old norse legends.
Being a Dane myself, I have spent some time studying the old norse legends and the way they usually handle betrayal and deciet is intersting.

In the following I will use the Danish names for gods and places, since I do not know the english names.
If this adds to the confusion I am sorry.

First of all Thor himself might have conflicting views upon what happened.
Your mage was not killed in combat and as such will not be able to enter Valhalla, the ancient hall of the gods, in the after life.
This is perhaps the single most important thing if you are paying homage to Thor and the fact that the elf denied your mage this final honor might be quite upsetting.

However a central figure in the belief structure of the Vikings is a Half Giant half god called Loke.
Loke is the god of mischief and most of the legends of the northern gods where problems arise, Loke is the perpetrator.
Often he has even ruined the gods plans, helped in the slaying of gods and Loke is even the father of 3 children central to the northeners beliefs.
The Fenris wolf, a giant wolf, chained in Asgaard (home of the gods) until Ragnarok (the norse armageddon) upon Ragnarok, This wolf will swallow the sun.
Midgaardsormen (roughly translated, the worm of middle earth) a giant worm, encircling the earth, long enough to span the entire globe and bite it´s own tail.
and finally Hel, the half transparent, half decayed woman in charge of the underworld.
With all his bad sides and giant blood, Loke constantly manages to make up for all the problems he creates either by paying his debt with magical items for the gods or, performing certain favours for them, to be redeemed.

Perhaps your dwaven cleric, would demand, much like in real Viking life, where you would be obliged to pay the family of someone you killed, based on their standing in the social structure, a certain payment or service from the elf.
If the dead mage had a family of whom you knew, your dwarf might insist that you all go visit this family and pay a certain (high) amount of gold, to make amends.
If he did not have a family, maybe you would demand that the elf, not unlike Loke, procured some magical item or other helpful thing, to help the group.

I doubt that a Cleric of Thor would be driven into alchoholism from seeing his friend be killed, since the killing of people, both people you love and others, is not an unknown fenomenon to the god of War.
However, the fashion in which the murder was commited might be very upsetting, such cowardice from the elf.

But again, play your character the way you like, hell it might even be fun to be intoxicated all the time, I know it is IRL.

/Boxphet
Leagle
12-28-03, 10:39 AM I'd be roleplaying the execution and bloody revenge against the elves, not addiction!
Landor
12-28-03, 02:09 PM 1. How avalible is raise magic in your campain?

2. A swift :censored::censored::censored::censored: :censored:-slap should get your point across.

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Manfred 12-26-03, 08:01 AM	Hi, first of all, sory for my rough english, I'm italian and I'll try to explain myself as good as I can. I'm currently playing a viking cleric of Thor in a campaign based on real earth (with magic and monsters). I'm young (20 years) but in last couple of years I've travelled from Scandinavia to France, Greece, Egypt and back to France, and raised in power thank to my deity (9th level cleric). The party is pretty much good, and we are fighting to stop the awakening of a great evil which was forced into a magical prison 1000 years ago. We know that there are other adventurers (evil), that are aware of us as well, who are trying to help the big bad evil guy. Our party's mage is a shadow mage, and last time I cast detect evil I found him evil, but he never did anything evil since I know him, he helped us a lot. Last session we arrived in a old temple, shrouded in a magical darkness, everyone in the party had to roll a save vs will, and those that failed could not enter because of fear. Also the mage failed his save, but the master told him he felt compelled to enter. That same night, after all the combats with the undead in the temple (and the mage helping us in the combat), while we were all sleeping except for the elf that was making guard, the elf made a coup de grace against the mage, killing him. After that he told us that he did what had to be done, better now than waiting for the mage betraying us. Now my 2 question: My cleric was shocked at this, they both were friends, and I think I'd like to roleplay him in alcoholism, because of what happened. How would you roleplay that? and question 2, as a cleric of Thor, how would you aùhandle the problem about the elf? thanks a lot Nic
Boxphet 12-26-03, 08:29 AM	If you are playing a real earth campaign with the deities of the old norse gods working for you, one might be able to find the answer in the old norse legends. Being a Dane myself, I have spent some time studying the old norse legends and the way they usually handle betrayal and deciet is intersting. In the following I will use the Danish names for gods and places, since I do not know the english names. If this adds to the confusion I am sorry. First of all Thor himself might have conflicting views upon what happened. Your mage was not killed in combat and as such will not be able to enter Valhalla, the ancient hall of the gods, in the after life. This is perhaps the single most important thing if you are paying homage to Thor and the fact that the elf denied your mage this final honor might be quite upsetting. However a central figure in the belief structure of the Vikings is a Half Giant half god called Loke. Loke is the god of mischief and most of the legends of the northern gods where problems arise, Loke is the perpetrator. Often he has even ruined the gods plans, helped in the slaying of gods and Loke is even the father of 3 children central to the northeners beliefs. The Fenris wolf, a giant wolf, chained in Asgaard (home of the gods) until Ragnarok (the norse armageddon) upon Ragnarok, This wolf will swallow the sun. Midgaardsormen (roughly translated, the worm of middle earth) a giant worm, encircling the earth, long enough to span the entire globe and bite it´s own tail. and finally Hel, the half transparent, half decayed woman in charge of the underworld. With all his bad sides and giant blood, Loke constantly manages to make up for all the problems he creates either by paying his debt with magical items for the gods or, performing certain favours for them, to be redeemed. Perhaps your dwaven cleric, would demand, much like in real Viking life, where you would be obliged to pay the family of someone you killed, based on their standing in the social structure, a certain payment or service from the elf. If the dead mage had a family of whom you knew, your dwarf might insist that you all go visit this family and pay a certain (high) amount of gold, to make amends. If he did not have a family, maybe you would demand that the elf, not unlike Loke, procured some magical item or other helpful thing, to help the group. I doubt that a Cleric of Thor would be driven into alchoholism from seeing his friend be killed, since the killing of people, both people you love and others, is not an unknown fenomenon to the god of War. However, the fashion in which the murder was commited might be very upsetting, such cowardice from the elf. But again, play your character the way you like, hell it might even be fun to be intoxicated all the time, I know it is IRL. /Boxphet
Leagle 12-28-03, 10:39 AM	I'd be roleplaying the execution and bloody revenge against the elves, not addiction!
Landor 12-28-03, 02:09 PM	1. How avalible is raise magic in your campain? 2. A swift :censored::censored::censored::censored: :censored:-slap should get your point across.