Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Brxyn 03-23-08, 10:11 PM	before coming on the boards, i was under the impression that Powerful Build and Monkey Grip could stack. since they dont, this puts a bit of a damper on a character concept i had. how would you build a character (starting from size Medium) and have him wield (dual-wield, if at all possible) the biggest weapons possible? bonus points if it would count as Colossal+.
sudsymcgee 03-24-08, 01:06 AM	i have been working on this and so far i have gotten a guy who can wield an large bastard swords (monkey and improved monkey). all in all the best way to do this is the enlarge spell and powers like it. the spells i believe can get u 2 gargantuan weapons with monkey grip. so u can stack 2 up size abilities to get u 2 huge and monkey grip and improved lets u wield gargantuan weapons.
Green_eyes 03-24-08, 05:01 AM	The cheesie way is to take major titan bloodline from UA. http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/unearthedBloodlines.html#titan RAW you get Use oversized weapon (Ex) as the titan special ability => you can wield Gargantuan weapons. Another silly way is Wu Jen Giant size spell (7th lvl). With 19+ CL you become Colossal in size. Wearing Strongarm bracers you can wield Colossal+ weapons. Then there's always the Hulking Hurler...
Swiftblu 03-24-08, 12:49 PM	A Wu-Gen 20 with Monkey Grip casting Giant Size gets a Colossal+ weapon. EDIT- Ninja'd
Fwib 03-24-08, 01:05 PM	The biggest weapon is anything thrown at you by a high-strength Hulking Hurler
larry_the_titan 03-24-08, 03:17 PM	The biggest weapon is anything thrown at you by a high-strength Hulking Hurler That isn't a Weapon that is tossing a planet at someone. Ok it was a small moon but I assume by weapon he means a sword or hammer maybe an axe. Honestly the best way to get you weapon size is to do something that increases a weapon size one higher then normal then use magic to increase your size as much as possible. Multiple ways have already been covered so he has nothing to worry about.
altpersona 03-24-08, 04:37 PM	you shape your super large / heavy object like a moon, ill shape mine like a hammer.. either way , a HH throws it and things git smashed..
larry_the_titan 03-24-08, 04:51 PM	you shape your super large / heavy object like a moon, ill shape mine like a hammer.. either way , a HH throws it and things git smashed.. The funny thing is the HH still can't kill a wizard of equal level and Ninja's by that time can go Incorporeal as well. The material Plane may be at the mercy of a dim wit with a Planetoid in hand but most spell casters will still survive the fight along with smarter Melleers. Which makes it still a fairly useless build by itself.
Fwib 03-24-08, 06:08 PM	The funny thing is the HH still can't kill a wizard of equal level and Ninja's by that time can go Incorporeal as well. The material Plane may be at the mercy of a dim wit with a Planetoid in hand but most spell casters will still survive the fight along with smarter Melleers. Which makes it still a fairly useless build by itself.Attach that weapon crystal of ghost touch to the small moon.
AndyJames 03-24-08, 09:19 PM	Umm... Guys? Spell: Greater Mighty Wallop Duration: 1 hour/level Effect: Your bludgeoning weapon counts as 1 size bigger/4 caster levels. Level 20 = 5 size increases: Medium -> Large -> Huge -> Gargantuan -> Colossal -> Colossal+ If you are a Goliath, then it goes to Colossal++, and so on... A small moon counts as a bludgeoning weapon, right?
larry_the_titan 03-24-08, 09:43 PM	Umm... Guys? Spell: Greater Mighty Wallop Duration: 1 hour/level Effect: Your bludgeoning weapon counts as 1 size bigger/4 caster levels. Level 20 = 5 size increases: Medium -> Large -> Huge -> Gargantuan -> Colossal -> Colossal+ If you are a Goliath, then it goes to Colossal++, and so on... A small moon counts as a bludgeoning weapon, right? Yeah but I don't think the Hulking Hurler can cast the spell in any possible way. Though I may be wrong.
AndyJames 03-24-08, 10:52 PM	Yeah but I don't think the Hulking Hurler can cast the spell in any possible way. Though I may be wrong. He is not alone in the party, is he? :) Ask your Wizard friend to cast it for you. And be nice and buy him a Pearl of Power 3 for his troubles.
Brxyn 03-25-08, 12:14 AM	i was thinking more a Goliath Greathammer. i was probably going to give it to a dwarven deepwarden (ranger 2/barbarian 6/deepwarden 2,) if that helps. i should also say that i decided on that build after the initial post. as an aside: you guys have been super helpful. thanks.
Brxyn 03-25-08, 01:16 AM	i also feel the need to mention that ToB isnt used. the DM isnt a fan of it.
Vicen_Korel 03-27-08, 02:04 AM	My thought would be powerful build, Balanced blades, Dervish PrC, and then some form of enlarge person spell. starting large weapons with powerful build dervish makes scimitars light, go huge for 1 handed Balanced blades makes 1 handed weapons light if the same 2 are used go garantuan *note balanced blades is a feat from the arcanist setting I remember seeing it under a different name else where I just don't remember where* enlarge spell for large size and increase to colossal weapons. Of course you have attack penalties from size difference, *-4 in total, large creature with powerful build can use huge without penalty* but you can use those colossal weapons. Or have the weapons dragged by random big pack animal, have the spell cast first then pick them up.
Brxyn 03-27-08, 11:56 AM	My thought would be powerful build, Balanced blades, Dervish PrC, and then some form of enlarge person spell. starting large weapons with powerful build dervish makes scimitars light, go huge for 1 handed Balanced blades makes 1 handed weapons light if the same 2 are used go garantuan *note balanced blades is a feat from the arcanist setting I remember seeing it under a different name else where I just don't remember where* enlarge spell for large size and increase to colossal weapons. Of course you have attack penalties from size difference, *-4 in total, large creature with powerful build can use huge without penalty* but you can use those colossal weapons. Or have the weapons dragged by random big pack animal, have the spell cast first then pick them up. i know they have a Balanced enchantment in A&EG. i dont know about the feat....
Vicen_Korel 03-27-08, 12:41 PM	I know the feat is in arcanist campaign settings, I thought I had seen it elsewhere but I can't find a copy of it anywhere now. Something else, Forgotten Realms Has the horn blade enhancement that gives you a one size increase for no penalty.
skydragonknight 03-27-08, 08:40 PM	Ok it was a small moon but I assume by weapon he means a sword or hammer maybe an axe. "That's not a moon...it's a Battle Station Giant Iridium Metal Sphere."