Heroic Surge Question [Archive] - Wizards Community

Heroic Surge Question [Archive] - Wizards Community

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sultan_of_dorkistan
09-12-07, 01:53 AM Ok so the following is a bullet point q&a about heroic surge:

I have several questions about Heroic Surge. Can a character with this feat take a full-round action, then use Heroic Surge to get an extra action and use it to ready an attack? If he readies an attack during his normal round of action, can he use Heroic Surge to ready again? If he readies during a normal round, can he take his readied action and then Heroic Surge, since it can be used after his regular actions?

Wow, I sense a debate here. A character can certainly take a full round of action and then use Heroic Surge to take another action, which he can use to ready. The normal ready rules apply to this situation; the character is just readying after he takes a full-round action.

He can't use Heroic Surge to take another action right after his readied action goes off because a readied action is a special move, not a regular move. The rules don't offer much to support that ruling other than game balance and logic, but it just doesn't make sense otherwise. After all, how could a character who is tensed to respond to one and only one situation suddenly be able to do whatever he wants after it happens?

A character can ready an action during his normal round, then use Heroic Surge to ready another action. But in that case, he gets to perform only one of his readied actions, not both. In essence, he is now readied to perform two different actions under two different circumstances. But once he takes either readied action, his turn ends and his initiative changes. Thus, his other readied action is lost.

Link to source. (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=d20modern/bp/20041105a)

But the Heroic Surge feat states that, "The character may take an extra move action or attack action in a round, either before or after the character's regular actions." Unless I'm missing something, the ready action is neither a move nor an attack action, thus incompatible with the Heroic Surge feat. Yes?
sultan_of_dorkistan
12-13-07, 11:14 AM Bump.
Ragitsu
12-16-07, 01:24 AM I like this feat.
true_shinken
12-21-07, 08:08 PM I like this feat.
Who doesn't?
Ragitsu
12-22-07, 12:58 AM True, but it doesn't really shine till about level 5 or so.
Netjack
01-08-08, 02:26 PM I've ran into a problem with people thinking this feat is broken, and I can not rightly disagree with them, except for the fact it took a feat to get it, and it is not entirely useful until later levels.

Everyone apparently shake their heads when ever I do this feat saying "
IT SOOOOOO BROKEN" it is in the base d20 book, I didn't go out of my way to get it, but it is now being banned in any future game.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
sultan_of_dorkistan 09-12-07, 01:53 AM	Ok so the following is a bullet point q&a about heroic surge: I have several questions about Heroic Surge. Can a character with this feat take a full-round action, then use Heroic Surge to get an extra action and use it to ready an attack? If he readies an attack during his normal round of action, can he use Heroic Surge to ready again? If he readies during a normal round, can he take his readied action and then Heroic Surge, since it can be used after his regular actions? Wow, I sense a debate here. A character can certainly take a full round of action and then use Heroic Surge to take another action, which he can use to ready. The normal ready rules apply to this situation; the character is just readying after he takes a full-round action. He can't use Heroic Surge to take another action right after his readied action goes off because a readied action is a special move, not a regular move. The rules don't offer much to support that ruling other than game balance and logic, but it just doesn't make sense otherwise. After all, how could a character who is tensed to respond to one and only one situation suddenly be able to do whatever he wants after it happens? A character can ready an action during his normal round, then use Heroic Surge to ready another action. But in that case, he gets to perform only one of his readied actions, not both. In essence, he is now readied to perform two different actions under two different circumstances. But once he takes either readied action, his turn ends and his initiative changes. Thus, his other readied action is lost. Link to source. (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=d20modern/bp/20041105a) But the Heroic Surge feat states that, "The character may take an extra move action or attack action in a round, either before or after the character's regular actions." Unless I'm missing something, the ready action is neither a move nor an attack action, thus incompatible with the Heroic Surge feat. Yes?
sultan_of_dorkistan 12-13-07, 11:14 AM	Bump.
Ragitsu 12-16-07, 01:24 AM	I like this feat.
true_shinken 12-21-07, 08:08 PM	I like this feat. Who doesn't?
Ragitsu 12-22-07, 12:58 AM	True, but it doesn't really shine till about level 5 or so.
Netjack 01-08-08, 02:26 PM	I've ran into a problem with people thinking this feat is broken, and I can not rightly disagree with them, except for the fact it took a feat to get it, and it is not entirely useful until later levels. Everyone apparently shake their heads when ever I do this feat saying " IT SOOOOOO BROKEN" it is in the base d20 book, I didn't go out of my way to get it, but it is now being banned in any future game.