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Ragitsu 10-22-07, 09:23 PM	One theme in horror that has always intrigued me is that, regardless of the source, those that attain immortality seem to inevitably became jaded and detached from the world at large. Once benevolent men and women transform into creatures that bear no resemblance to what they once were. I've observed this most prominently in the comic villian Ras Al'ghul (unsure on the spelling) who was once a brilliant physician that now wants to rid the Earth of humanity and a variety of D&D gods that ascended to divinity and now, while helpful to humans, have lost much of their former empathy. So, what is it that causes those with a seemingly indefinite lifespan to lose much of what they once were?
Tacitus_Acheros 10-23-07, 01:09 AM	Death is a large part of being human. We live in a world full of danger, which prompts us to try to control it to better secure our place in it. We form alliances and relationships with others to help tip the odds in our favor, and create things like governments as a mutual defense pact to help the group's survival. We live our lives constantly aware on some level of our future demise, urging us to accomplish what we can in the time we have. We try to fill our lives with meaningful experiences instead of squandering them. We emphasize with each other because we know we each have the same drive to postpone the inevitable, the same desire to make the best of what we are given. Immortality tears that all away. You don't need others. The state of the world doesn't affect you. You have all eternity to finish whatever tasks you have. You've seen all there is to see, you've run out of new things to do--you're bored. You are inherently superior to everyone else, who toil away in a pointless attempt to delay the inevitable. You're more than human, which makes you something inhuman.
Melpomene 10-24-07, 01:50 PM	Ennui is a killer. The existential boredom generated from an existance detached from God. Being unable to die promotes an indifference to the forces of the afterlife, heaven and hell. Ennui sets in, and personality becomes dictated by it.
Ragitsu 11-14-07, 06:40 PM	Bump
joekap 11-16-07, 10:13 PM	hey bordem sucks when you live forever i think thats been said enough on the subject.....another thing that sucks.... thread bumping with out actually contributing, cuz that is just suckville 100%...the question is would it suck even more if you had to put up with it for a couple hundred years??? or as an immortal would you use your cool immortal guy powers to track the SOB down and suck their life force or blood or hit them with a ballpeen hammer or whatever???
Ragitsu 11-16-07, 11:48 PM	Are you my stalker now, joekap? If you dislike a post, report it, but keep your "opinions" to yourself. I also find it funny you whine about "contributing", but all you do is post malicious comments.
joekap 11-17-07, 12:20 AM	Are you my stalker now, joekap? If you dislike a post, report it, but keep your "opinions" to yourself. I also find it funny you whine about "contributing", but all you do is post malicious comments. actually i did contribute...my reason why personallity would break down after a long time of immortality.... as far as keeping my opinions to my self...um i thought this was a place to share opinions...i mean thats really what this thread was asking fr...opinions on why we think someone would get buggy after a couple hundy years of being alive... i personally think it would be a combo of being bored and the useless bumping of dead threads
Ragitsu 11-17-07, 12:29 AM	Cut the crap, you do the same thing on the d20 Modern forum. You are a hypocrite.
Giradius 11-17-07, 12:59 AM	I don’t think the personality of a person would erode if immortality was an option. Its not that they lose personality but just they see things in a different perspective, and as such lose anything they had in common with mortals, big concerns to a mortal would seem irrelevant and unimportant to an immortal, A war is coming (there are always wars) The founding of a religion (it will fade and another will be founded in its place). I don’t think that mortality is a requirement for personality, an immortal could never have a meaningful discourse with a mortal as they would lack any kind of reference framework, in the same way you couldn’t have a conversation with a being that has a lifespan of an hour. And as for boredom, ok immortality means you live for eternity but remember that the universe is infinite, I don’t understand how anyone can be bored for eternity when there is so much to see and do, the issue of boredom only arises if the abilities of the immortal are limited, yes you would get bored after a few million years on this planet just as a mortal would get bored after a few days locked in a room. Immortality is not what makes boredom, it is the inability to find new things to occupy.
Ragitsu 11-17-07, 01:15 AM	I truly believe that creatures which are inherently immortal (outsiders) seem to have this sort of self-control or preventetive measures from becoming insane/emotionally detached. Dragons might be resistant, but even they fall to the ravages of time. Those that become converted, on the other hand, still have a short term mindset (even elves - their views are shorter by comparison) and therefore can only cope for so long with the way priorities change. Are there exceptions? You bet. This is, however, how I believe it works in a D&D / d20 Modern type setting.
Giradius 11-17-07, 01:25 AM	But surely you agree that even a mortal can become bored without fresh horizons. Boredom comes from not experiencing something new or a lack of stimulation, not the amount of time you have to experience this stimulation. If you had a lifespan of only a year you would soon be bored if you could never leave your house room, an immortal would be the same, except the room would become a whole world, if you have the entire multiverse to experience along with the infinite layers of the abyss or any other infinite plane. I would say that mortals who attain immortality would have a long period where this would be a problem but would eventually adapt to their situation, mindsets can change, people adapt to bad things quite quickly.
joekap 11-17-07, 01:52 AM	Cut the crap, you do the same thing on the d20 Modern forum. You are a hypocrite. um....never happened, check again. :rolleye2: except the room would become a whole world, if you have the entire multiverse to experience along with the infinite layers of the abyss or any other infinite plane. I would say that mortals who attain immortality would have a long period where this would be a problem but would eventually adapt to their situation, mindsets can change, people adapt to bad things quite quickly. see i was going on the human turned immortal...no special powers and the only place to explore being earth....and that i think would get onld in a couple hundred years...maybe a couple grand at most.:zzz: also there is the very good chance of insanity i think :looloo:
Giradius 11-17-07, 01:54 AM	But in that situation, being trapped without stimulation is the source of the boredom not the immortality itself.
joekap 11-17-07, 01:56 AM	true but the above situations could only be brought about due to immortality
Ragitsu 11-17-07, 02:15 AM	um....never happened, check again. Traceur AdC ring a bell? This is all readily visible stuff, so again...cut the crap.
Giradius 11-17-07, 10:10 AM	true but the above situations could only be brought about due to immortality Correct so immortality can potenially have a knockon effect and create this situation, BUT immortality in and of itself does not create boredom. Eating cheese can lead to obesity, but that does not mean that all obese people have eaten cheese, nor does it mean that everyone who eats cheese is obese. Immortality can create boredom, but not all bored people are immortal, the link between immortality and boredom is tenuous at best, and immortal who finds delight in counting grains of sand on a beach or atoms ina cloud would never be bored. An immortal that is also all powerful would always be able to find something to occupy it and if it couldnt, it would create something (maybe a planet and call it Earth or something like that) :D
joekap 11-17-07, 02:11 PM	Traceur AdC ring a bell? This is all readily visible stuff, so again...cut the crap. never bumped it ....check again....:rolleye2: as a matter of fact YOU bumped it.....twice..... so if there is any "crap cutting" to be done, look in the mirror. Eating cheese can lead to obesity, but that does not mean that all obese people have eaten cheese, nor does it mean that everyone who eats cheese is obese. ok no need to bash cheese and fat people.....:rant: i agree that the state of imortality does not on the serface cause a break down, as you have stated. but none of us really know maybe the act/transformation into the said state of imortality does cause crazy...ya never know. and why would they name it earth...thats lame...i would call it....wait im not telling you might steal my name for your own planet..no way bub back off get your own name.
Ragitsu 11-17-07, 06:40 PM	never bumped it ....check again....:rolleye2: as a matter of fact YOU bumped it.....twice..... so if there is any "crap cutting" to be done, look in the mirror. I never said YOU bumped it, but YOU did post a malicious or spiteful comment on it after I bumped it, much like THIS thread. http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=906754&page=2 http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=14293311&postcount=45 http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=14299644&postcount=51