Immunity/Immortality Loophole? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Immunity/Immortality Loophole? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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McDougal
08-05-07, 05:04 AM So, as much as I dread the idea of being the umpteenth poster to create a thread on a perceived loophole only to be shot down, I'm curious as to a particular combination I've found and whether it works just as horribly well as it seems.

The Lernaean version of the Multi-Headed template out of SS is one of those delightful aspects of the book that has gotten it banned from my gaming circles. Y'see, a Lernaean creature's body is immune to attack. Not just damage, mind you, but attacks of any kind. How do you kill such a beast? You either sever all of its heads and seal the stumps with acid or fire damage, or you hit it with a disintegration or death effect. Simple.

Enter the Lumi from MM3. Yes, the goofy-looking living nightlights from the Positive Energy Plane that feature a fabled immunity to Death by Awesome. More importantly for this thread, they're immune to death effects, and have a bizzare trait dubbed "Floating Head" that renders them immune to strangling, suffocation, and decapitation.

So is a two-headed lumi immune to everything but disintegration? Tell me I'm missing something. Pun-Pun is weird, this is just wrong.
Psionx
08-05-07, 07:23 AM Actually, baleful polymorph/flesh to stone should work just fine... I've certainly never seen this on the boards before but others may have. I have something like this with regeneration and being immune to nonlethal damage.
FlimFlam
08-05-07, 09:55 PM Actually, baleful polymorph/flesh to stone should work just fine... I've certainly never seen this on the boards before but others may have. I have something like this with regeneration and being immune to nonlethal damage.

I haven't read about this Lernean thing myself, but the OP did state

Y'see, a Lernaean creature's body is immune to attack. Not just damage, mind you, but attacks of any kind.

Wouldn't a baleful polymorph or flesh to stone constitute as an attack? I know it would turn an invisible person visible (my litmus test for "what is considered an attack")...
NoldorForce
08-05-07, 11:38 PM There are still a few ways to kill Lernean creatures without cutting off heads; true save-or-die effects, for instance, will kill it. Disintegrate (which isn't a save-or-die) and the like also work. And not all save-or-die effects are [Death] effects. Most are, but a few such as the Words of Alignment and Implosion aren't.

This has been noticed before; there was a thread on getting invulnerability to damage that mentioned this precise combination. Still, good stuff like this bears the occasional look over.
McDougal
08-06-07, 07:19 PM Sorry to repost old hat, then. The usual Googular board-searching didn't turn this up, hence my asking.

Good to know it's not quite as bad as it seems. Thanks, all! :)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
McDougal 08-05-07, 05:04 AM	So, as much as I dread the idea of being the umpteenth poster to create a thread on a perceived loophole only to be shot down, I'm curious as to a particular combination I've found and whether it works just as horribly well as it seems. The Lernaean version of the Multi-Headed template out of SS is one of those delightful aspects of the book that has gotten it banned from my gaming circles. Y'see, a Lernaean creature's body is immune to attack. Not just damage, mind you, but attacks of any kind. How do you kill such a beast? You either sever all of its heads and seal the stumps with acid or fire damage, or you hit it with a disintegration or death effect. Simple. Enter the Lumi from MM3. Yes, the goofy-looking living nightlights from the Positive Energy Plane that feature a fabled immunity to Death by Awesome. More importantly for this thread, they're immune to death effects, and have a bizzare trait dubbed "Floating Head" that renders them immune to strangling, suffocation, and decapitation. So is a two-headed lumi immune to everything but disintegration? Tell me I'm missing something. Pun-Pun is weird, this is just wrong.
Psionx 08-05-07, 07:23 AM	Actually, baleful polymorph/flesh to stone should work just fine... I've certainly never seen this on the boards before but others may have. I have something like this with regeneration and being immune to nonlethal damage.
FlimFlam 08-05-07, 09:55 PM	Actually, baleful polymorph/flesh to stone should work just fine... I've certainly never seen this on the boards before but others may have. I have something like this with regeneration and being immune to nonlethal damage. I haven't read about this Lernean thing myself, but the OP did state Y'see, a Lernaean creature's body is immune to attack. Not just damage, mind you, but attacks of any kind. Wouldn't a baleful polymorph or flesh to stone constitute as an attack? I know it would turn an invisible person visible (my litmus test for "what is considered an attack")...
NoldorForce 08-05-07, 11:38 PM	There are still a few ways to kill Lernean creatures without cutting off heads; true save-or-die effects, for instance, will kill it. Disintegrate (which isn't a save-or-die) and the like also work. And not all save-or-die effects are [Death] effects. Most are, but a few such as the Words of Alignment and Implosion aren't. This has been noticed before; there was a thread on getting invulnerability to damage that mentioned this precise combination. Still, good stuff like this bears the occasional look over.
McDougal 08-06-07, 07:19 PM	Sorry to repost old hat, then. The usual Googular board-searching didn't turn this up, hence my asking. Good to know it's not quite as bad as it seems. Thanks, all! :)