Negative 1st level spells [Archive] - Wizards Community

Negative 1st level spells [Archive] - Wizards Community

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fetfet
05-21-07, 09:15 AM correct me if i am wrong.

human wizard 6
feats: still spell, sanctum spell*, arcane thesis(lesser orb of acid)*

*build essential(note: arcane thesis could be any 1st level energy spell)

now the fun.

lesser orb of acid: 1

sanctum lesser orb of acid, outside sanctum: 0

arcane thesis: -1:D

i am still trying to figure out if this is a good thing.
Light_Colonel
05-21-07, 09:24 AM Afraid it doesn't work like that.

Arcane Thesis etc. can't drop a spell below it's base level. In other words if you are using a 1st level spell, it cannot go below 1st. If you are using a 2nd, it cannot go below 2nd.
fetfet
05-21-07, 09:38 AM i have not seen a rules reference to that.

the text for arcane thesis is:

Choose one arcane spell you can cast to be your thesis spell. When casting that spell, you do so at +2 caster level. When you apply a metamagic feat other than Heighten Spell to that spell, it uses up a sell slot one level lower than normal. For example, an empowered thesis spell would use up a spell slot one level higher than the spell's actual slot(rather than two levels higher as normal).
Think0028
05-21-07, 10:32 AM Reread sanctum spell: it treats it as one level lower for casting, you still prepare it normally.
psly4mne
05-21-07, 10:54 AM Reread sanctum spell: it treats it as one level lower for casting, you still prepare it normally.
Yes, he should have Sanctum Spell, Energy Substitution, and Arcane Thesis. Alternatively, he could have used a cantrip as the base spell.

Arcane Thesis only changes the slot you can prepare the spell in. So you could prepare your Orb in a -1st level slot if you had one. You don't, so you have to use a higher-level slot.
The interesting thing is that a Sanctum Prestidigitation is a -1st level spell. I'm not sure if this is ever relevant, though.
The_Mad_Linguist
05-21-07, 12:36 PM The interesting thing is that a Sanctum Prestidigitation is a -1st level spell. I'm not sure if this is ever relevant, though.

It breaks anything related to spell levels. Like trapmaking or item crafting costing negative money.
fetfet
05-21-07, 04:53 PM cool.

on an unrelated note, its possible to become a devastation beetle as a lv13 egoist.
:D

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
fetfet 05-21-07, 09:15 AM	correct me if i am wrong. human wizard 6 feats: still spell, sanctum spell, arcane thesis(lesser orb of acid) *build essential(note: arcane thesis could be any 1st level energy spell) now the fun. lesser orb of acid: 1 sanctum lesser orb of acid, outside sanctum: 0 arcane thesis: -1:D i am still trying to figure out if this is a good thing.
Light_Colonel 05-21-07, 09:24 AM	Afraid it doesn't work like that. Arcane Thesis etc. can't drop a spell below it's base level. In other words if you are using a 1st level spell, it cannot go below 1st. If you are using a 2nd, it cannot go below 2nd.
fetfet 05-21-07, 09:38 AM	i have not seen a rules reference to that. the text for arcane thesis is: Choose one arcane spell you can cast to be your thesis spell. When casting that spell, you do so at +2 caster level. When you apply a metamagic feat other than Heighten Spell to that spell, it uses up a sell slot one level lower than normal. For example, an empowered thesis spell would use up a spell slot one level higher than the spell's actual slot(rather than two levels higher as normal).
Think0028 05-21-07, 10:32 AM	Reread sanctum spell: it treats it as one level lower for casting, you still prepare it normally.
psly4mne 05-21-07, 10:54 AM	Reread sanctum spell: it treats it as one level lower for casting, you still prepare it normally. Yes, he should have Sanctum Spell, Energy Substitution, and Arcane Thesis. Alternatively, he could have used a cantrip as the base spell. Arcane Thesis only changes the slot you can prepare the spell in. So you could prepare your Orb in a -1st level slot if you had one. You don't, so you have to use a higher-level slot. The interesting thing is that a Sanctum Prestidigitation is a -1st level spell. I'm not sure if this is ever relevant, though.
The_Mad_Linguist 05-21-07, 12:36 PM	The interesting thing is that a Sanctum Prestidigitation is a -1st level spell. I'm not sure if this is ever relevant, though. It breaks anything related to spell levels. Like trapmaking or item crafting costing negative money.
fetfet 05-21-07, 04:53 PM	cool. on an unrelated note, its possible to become a devastation beetle as a lv13 egoist. :D