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anglar 06-29-03, 01:40 AM	At the request of one who has earned my respect, <nods to Sil> I am starting the Drow Foundation. The Drow Foundation will, for me, serve as a place where those of Drow heritage can be represented. Let none who join the ranks take umbridge with another of the Foundation. Be ye good or evil, lawfull or chaotic, or anywhere betwixt, you will find this a haven so long as I have a say. Let those who would understand the Drow, for good or ill, be welcome here as well. Share your stories. Let others know how you came to be and to where you are headed. It is only fitting that I begin with my own story. My grandfather, Maxa of the House Mele`yon, was High Wizard of his home city. He was rewarded with banishment when it was revealed the he sabotaged a holy ritual to Lolth. For over 20 years he slowly stole time by waiting a few seconds longer than he should before casting the spell to reset the city's timepiece. On the day of the failed ritual, his house was attacked by three others and was destroyed save for him. He escaped to the surface where he soon met Solieil, my grandmother. Though their union was looked down upon at first, opinions changed slighty when my mother, Vivia was born and bore no traits that her father was a Drow. She would go on to marry my father, Palin Goldstems, and I was born within twenty years. My grandmother went on to the Seldriane, but Maxa is still forbidden, so he refuses to die. Such as been his life for 1300+ years. He says he stopped counting because it was of no use. I have suffered and gained from my blood. I have participated in Drow "mating" parties, defended house attacks, and witnessed the fall of two Drow cities and the rise of another. House Mele`yon stands again with my grandfather as patriarch. It is a beacon of light to those Drow who wish to rejoin with the surface. Share with me. Ithilorien 001 dragonlord557 002
Silmarien Aldalome 06-29-03, 04:40 AM	:cool: :cool: :cool: Now, this is just what we need here.... :) House Mele`yon hey - excellent! From Menzoberranzan? Or another Underdark somewhere.. I really like the Brief for this Thread - am gunna change the Half-Elven one to make it read with the zest of this one! My first question goes to the Alignment of Drow. Are they a homogeneous group, unilaterally Evil (and probably Lawful), or like Drizzt, can there be 'rogues' who move towards neurtality and good? It has always struck me, that there is no word anywhere about the 'cause' of Drow alignment. Meaning, at one point in Mythology, Corellan, who made the Elves, also made the Drow. There was this 'expelling' (my memory is poor here) and move towards Lloth? So, that mythology begs the question "Drow flesh - is it 'evil' or 'vulnerable to evil' or is it merely Drow training that makes them so 'bad'? I'm getting all sorts of cool ideas for our One Land narrative from all this BTW. :) Cheers - until Suddenly Silmarien
Tenzhi 06-29-03, 05:55 AM	Oh great... why not start a foundation for EVERY subrace of elf. There could be the Wood Elf foundation... the Sea Elf foundation... the Wild Elf foundation... the Sun Elf foundation... the Star Elf foundation... why, the list goes on nigh to infinity. Pretty soon the races board would be completely choked with elf foundations. And of course, just to keep up, all the other race foundations will have to branch off into their many subraces (except humans who, thankfully, have no subraces (except perhaps Carnivorous Ape)). There would be a more legitimate reason for this foundation's existence if it were the Underdark foundation. :fight!: :fight!: :fight!:
Ithilorien 06-29-03, 08:12 AM	Sil - drow were not originally evil. If I recall correctly they were just a subrace of dark-skinned elves called the Ilythiiri until Araushnee, consort of Corellon, corrupted them and used them to rebel against her former lover and the other elves. Araushnee was defeated, driven insane, and became Lolth and the Ilythiiri were forced into the Underdark and became Drow. As characters like Drizzt and Qilue show us, however, drow are not born evil, but rather become inured to it as they are raised. Their alignment is definitely the result of nurture rather than nature. By the way, sign me up for the Drow Foundation. Is Tenzhi our number one enemy?
The-Cheese-Rules 06-29-03, 12:42 PM	There actually can be a reason for a good aligned drow. In the Forgotten Realms Sourcebook they tell you the stats of a good aligned drow diety. So you don't have to make up a story about "rogue" drow. :D
dragonlord557 06-29-03, 05:05 PM	WEEeeee Drow Foundation:angel: If we're doing sign ups sign me up mon capi-ton! You know I don't know why people seem to hate elves there are a ton of dwarf and gnome subraces too. I say if people want to start subrace foundations let em, they won't be nearly as good the as the drow though :D Tenzhi I kinda agree with you in some respects, I think the idea of and underdark foundation would kick ass. But I do like the drow foundation idea as well but to each his own.
Silmarien Aldalome 06-29-03, 08:20 PM	Originally posted by Tenzhi Oh great... why not start a foundation for EVERY subrace of elf. There could be the Wood Elf foundation... the Sea Elf foundation... the Wild Elf foundation... the Sun Elf foundation... the Star Elf foundation... why, the list goes on nigh to infinity. Pretty soon the races board would be completely choked with elf foundations. And of course, just to keep up, all the other race foundations will have to branch off into their many subraces (except humans who, thankfully, have no subraces (except perhaps Carnivorous Ape)). There would be a more legitimate reason for this foundation's existence if it were the Underdark foundation. :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: Tenzhi! Are you being serious here, or your usual 'provocative' good (bad) self? Because the 'provocation' is good - it encourages discource, and will result in the proliferation of valid thought on this thread....and dude - you may end up on the Foundation's "Enemies List"...."DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS...." to quote good Zollex... :) Cheers Sil
Silmarien Aldalome 06-29-03, 08:39 PM	Originally posted by Ithilorien Sil - drow were not originally evil. If I recall correctly they were just a subrace of dark-skinned elves called the Ilythiiri until Araushnee, consort of Corellon, corrupted them and used them to rebel against her former lover and the other elves. Araushnee was defeated, driven insane, and became Lolth and the Ilythiiri were forced into the Underdark and became Drow. As characters like Drizzt and Qilue show us, however, drow are not born evil, but rather become inured to it as they are raised. Their alignment is definitely the result of nurture rather than nature. By the way, sign me up for the Drow Foundation. Is Tenzhi our number one enemy? Hey - now this is much more like it. Fun, and interesting. This is why this thread needs its own space, and is easily justified as having the right to exist. The Drow mythology is complex, divergent from that of broader Elvendom, and full of myriad issues - that bear on complex interactionis with D&D core rules that - again - are quite divergent from broader Elvendom. see you suddenly sil - enjoy this image I found.... http://boards1.wizards.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=574302
Mustardmachine 06-30-03, 06:02 AM	Wow, what a babe (I'd rather not say that to her ;) )!!! Oh, and congratulations to your foundation - it was about time... :D May you always have water and shade. Mustard
Grimsword 06-30-03, 06:36 AM	Originally posted by anglar Let none who join the ranks take umbridge with another of the Foundation. Be ye good or evil, lawfull or chaotic, or anywhere betwixt, you will find this a haven so long as I have a say. Let those who would understand the Drow, for good or ill, be welcome here as well. You speak of unity among Drow? Drow showing loyalty to each other? That's a new one to me. This should be a foundation where the members do their best to backstab each other and vie for superiority. Otherwise it hardly relates to the Drow now does it?
Silmarien Aldalome 06-30-03, 08:18 AM	Originally posted by Grimsword You speak of unity among Drow? Drow showing loyalty to each other? That's a new one to me. This should be a foundation where the members do their best to backstab each other and vie for superiority. Otherwise it hardly relates to the Drow now does it? G'day Grimsword nice to see you Here. Hope you've been well. In the role play voice, definitely what you say holds. Drow are (not unilaterally) decptive, cruel, and malicious. But, in 'strategy mode' which is how these threads speak, it probably makes good sense to make people feel welcome. The thread seems to invite us to develop 'Drow ideas' for D&D adventures. If you want to offer your services as a 'bad Drow' come visit the One Land Roleplaying zone - you are needed there. We wouldn't have a good story without vice, corruption, malice, egoism and infidelity. :cool: for stories.... The One Land (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48404) Cheers sil
Narethkraag 06-30-03, 06:17 PM	Originally posted by The-Cheese-Rules There actually can be a reason for a good aligned drow. In the Forgotten Realms Sourcebook they tell you the stats of a good aligned drow diety. So you don't have to make up a story about "rogue" drow. :D Don't have my book here , but I think it is Ellistrae or something like that, she is a good aligned drow godess and if I remember correctly she is the daughter of Corellon and Lolth. I read these a long time ago and might not remember that well. I will have to check later when I get back home. :confused:
OrigamiCommando 06-30-03, 06:55 PM	Seeing as how I already joined the Elf Foundation that means I'm automatically in the drow foundation. Drow are elves after all. :) I think Correlon doesn't exist (thank god :mad: ) in Forgotten Realms
dragonlord557 06-30-03, 07:01 PM	Actually he does. He's part of the Elven Patheon and Narethkraag you are right about Elistraee. She is the daughter of Lloth and Corellon, but that was back before Lloth was Lloth and before the drow were (unfairly i might add) banished to the underdark.
anglar 06-30-03, 08:15 PM	You are correct about Ellistrae. My grandfather prayed to her for hundreds of years without having a prayer answered. She took banishment along with her mother and brother for being an unwitting part in Lolth's attack on the other Elven gods. I was very pleased to learn that she had started accepting males members to her clergy, though Maxa never had a doubt in his faith. Grimsword: As my grandfather would say, "Without faith that we achieve something greater than what we already are, why bother going on at all?" It's kept him going for 800+ years.
DanielTheHalfling 06-30-03, 08:15 PM	Hey, drows! Here are smilies 4 ya!http://www.geocities.com/daiel_g_13/drowbiggrin.txt http://www.geocities.com/daiel_g_13/drowhappy.txt http://www.geocities.com/daiel_g_13/drowlove.txt http://www.geocities.com/daiel_g_13/drowsad.txt
Narethkraag 06-30-03, 09:42 PM	Originally posted by dragonlord557 Actually he does. He's part of the Elven Patheon and Narethkraag you are right about Elistraee. She is the daughter of Lloth and Corellon, but that was back before Lloth was Lloth and before the drow were (unfairly i might add) banished to the underdark. Yes, her mother was still Araushnee at the time.... Eilistraee is also sister of Vhaeraun and called the dark maiden, Lady of the Dance. Thanks Dragonlord557, I did not remember.:D
Silmarien Aldalome 06-30-03, 11:17 PM	Originally posted by Narethkraag Don't have my book here , but I think it is Ellistrae or something like that, she is a good aligned drow godess and if I remember correctly she is the daughter of Corellon and Lolth. I read these a long time ago and might not remember that well. I will have to check later when I get back home. :confused: A good Drow Goddess! Ahhh, so I see Corellan got his jollies with "la femme fatale".....and now has to pay alimony to his offspring....very not the Brady Bunch that family. OMG - Lloth getting one's wardrobe ready? Goths beware! Corellan and his booming 20 mile voice - Ellistrae needs a geek-ologist.... :) :twitch: cheers sil
Narethkraag 07-01-03, 11:14 AM	Eilistraee has been forgiven by his Good father Corellon but she has kept her punishment on her own because she feels that those drow against Lolth should have some guidance. She provides that guidance to all the drow who manage to escape to the surface world...... needless to say that her Underdark keen just hate her as much as they can possibly hate someone....... BTW, one of her representations is a beautiful naked drow dancing female with very long white hair. She is even followed by other races who cover their bodies with oil and black dyes to take part on her festivities. There you have it a drow deity who has human, elven and other creatures as followers.:D
Demon Lightfoot 07-01-03, 03:25 PM	Originally posted by Ithilorien Sil - drow were not originally evil. If I recall correctly they were just a subrace of dark-skinned elves called the Ilythiiri until Araushnee, consort of Corellon, corrupted them and used them to rebel against her former lover and the other elves. Araushnee was defeated, driven insane, and became Lolth and the Ilythiiri were forced into the Underdark and became Drow. Naow, tha's nowt 'ow Oi 'eard it; Oi got 'it from moi Grannie that Lolth, then called Mírrëlóthë, was th' dotter o' Corellon (an' th' grandchild o' Oberon & Titania), 'oo was wooed and won by a mysterious stranger, 'oo turned owt t' be Arachnaris, th' Demon Lord O' Spiders. 'E corrupted 'er, she turned awn an' devoured 'im, an' led 'er followers 'gainst 'er Daddy. She lost, an' 'er proxies was turnt ita th' Draow, wif dark skinny-skin-skin an evvryfing. Leastaways, that's what me Gran sed, an' Oi'll take me dear sainted Gran o'er anyone else, tha' Oi will. 'Scuse me *clears throat* Anyway, that's more or less the way it is IMC and that of my wife, according to a nigh-heretical sect of surface-elves, who hold that Drow can be reformed and rejoined with the rest of Elfdom. So listen up, you Drow, and knock off all that evil! OK, wanna join up with the rest of Elfdom, now?
Ithilorien 07-01-03, 06:45 PM	Well, your Gran obviously never read The Complete Book of Elves or FRCS (I think that's where I got my story, yes . . .) ;)
anglar 07-01-03, 07:36 PM	Ithilorien, if you are referring to he fact that The Dark Maiden now accpets males into her clergy, he is quite aware, but that wasn't always so. For whatever reason, she only took females as her clerics. I was pleased to see her change on this.
Ithilorien 07-01-03, 07:44 PM	Well, female clerics only would have really throw my drow character concept out the window. I was responding to Demon's version of Lolth's history . . . I prefer the canon version because I like the idea of Lolth as Corellon's former lover and a backstabbing uber***** in her own right, not a helpless child manipulated by some weird spider god.
dragonlord557 07-01-03, 07:47 PM	As do I, I always liked the story of Lloth in FR the best. Ah FRCS how I love it, and how I love drow. Good drow can be intersting but with my group it pays to be evil, mostly because we can get along and not kill each other in the process of adventuring. Does anyone know any kinda details about Vhaeraun? He's one of my favorite drow deities, I've got FRCS and F&P but I'm wondering if anyone knows anything more about him then whats listed there, if so I'd apperciate the info about him.
Demon Lightfoot 07-01-03, 09:11 PM	Originally posted by Ithilorien Well, your Gran obviously never read The Complete Book of Elves or FRCS (I think that's where I got my story, yes . . .) ;) And...? Not to be a bastard, but what do either of those books have to do with anything? One is a 2e book (some would say ''outdated, irrelevant, munchinized and on the scrap-heap'', but I ain't one of them), t'other is a non-essential non-Core world-specific book. While I'm personally unconcerned with what the Realms-Elves tell themselves in order to make it through another interminable night, they're nowhere near as bad as those Dragonlance weasels, that I'll grant. They give all of us a bad name. It doesn't surprise me that they'd get it all wrong. My point behind relating the story (so the ''accent'' was a bit much, but was meant for comic exaggeration) was to point out that different worlds have different tales. Who's to say which, if any, are correct? Originally posted by Ithilorien Well, female clerics only would have really throw my drow character concept out the window. I was responding to Demon's version of Lolth's history . . . I prefer the canon version because I like the idea of Lolth as Corellon's former lover and a backstabbing uber***** in her own right, not a helpless child manipulated by some weird spider god. The thing is, since it's non-core, it's only canon for for FR; I don't play FR, almost did, but changed my mind at the last moment, and based my world on something else (again, while swiping stuff from the FR sourcebooks that I bought, but changing the names to protect the guilty). Hate playing straight FR, but some of the books I've liked, and some of the old DC DnD comics. What I like most about my campaign's version of the story is that it's about the corruption of the pure, the good and the innocent (but not helpless, and hardly a child), making it, IMNSHO, a much better metaphor for the Drow situation. Then there's the idea of conflict eternal between parent and child. Lotsa juicy resonances there. So, again, I say to you Drow, knock off all that evil!
anglar 07-01-03, 09:12 PM	Originally posted by Ithilorien Well, female clerics only would have really throw my drow character concept out the window. I was responding to Demon's version of Lolth's history . . . I prefer the canon version because I like the idea of Lolth as Corellon's former lover and a backstabbing uber***** in her own right, not a helpless child manipulated by some weird spider god. Gotcha. I too go for the idea that was presented in the FRCS and other sources where Araushnee was a former lover of Corellon's who betrayed the other Elven deities. After the failed coup, Corellon banished Araushnee and Vhaeraun and Ellistraee went with them because she had helped them without knowing what they were doing. IMC, Lolth doesn't accept male clerics but Elistraee now does and has for some time.
Tenzhi 07-02-03, 02:58 AM	Originally posted by Silmarien Aldalome Tenzhi! Are you being serious here, or your usual 'provocative' good (bad) self? Seriously. Another elf foundation is just spam waiting to be moderated. Making it an Underdark foundation would lend it some legitimacy.
ShoshuroKaigen 07-02-03, 03:09 AM	If this was an Underdark Foundation I might very well join it. I like Kobolds, Illithid (NPCs and sometimes PCS), Duegar, Derro, practically anything underdark. The only ones I don't like are good drow, even if they aren't Drizzt clones. Maybe I just believe in stereotypes. Oh, and don't forget the :behold:s
Kevmann 07-02-03, 04:16 AM	There could be the Wood Elf foundation... the Sea Elf foundation... the Wild Elf foundation... the Sun Elf foundation... the Star Elf foundation... why, the list goes on nigh to infinity. Pretty soon the races board would be completely choked with elf foundations. Your forgot, the lava elf foundation, the plateau elf foundation, the star elf foundation, the swamp elf foundation, the mountain elf foundation, the cloud elf foundation, the lake elf foundation, the river elf foundation, the tributary elf foundation, the spring elf foundation, the arctic elf foundation, the cliff elf foundation, the wood elf foundation, the plains elf foundation, the hilly region elf foundation, the desert elf foundation, the badlands elf foundation, the island elf foundation, the not-as-underground-as-the-drow elf foundation, the cliche elf foundation, the all elf foundation, the no elf foundation, the some elf foundation, the alien elf foundation, the mut elf foundation, the loopy elf foundation, the lowland elf foundation, the valley elf foundation, the wierd elf foundation, the high elf foundation, the human elf foundation, the dwarf elf foundation, the unamed elf foundation... yes, the list goes on and on. Oh, but I like drow (I am not going to join mind you), but I like them only if they are evil or damn close to it. Good drow have been soooo overdone, it is basically a cliche nowadays.
Spawn Of Bahamut 07-02-03, 10:02 AM	I am Getarnal Zwil-Tarnak, Drow Assasin .I request Membership and if the answer is yes please tell me my number.
Narethkraag 07-02-03, 11:55 AM	Originally posted by dragonlord557 As do I, I always liked the story of Lloth in FR the best. Ah FRCS how I love it, and how I love drow. Good drow can be intersting but with my group it pays to be evil, mostly because we can get along and not kill each other in the process of adventuring. Does anyone know any kinda details about Vhaeraun? He's one of my favorite drow deities, I've got FRCS and F&P but I'm wondering if anyone knows anything more about him then whats listed there, if so I'd apperciate the info about him. Have you checked "The City of the Spider Queen" maybe it has more information on him...... I have that adventure and will try to see if there is something more.
DanielTheHalfling 07-02-03, 01:33 PM	Hey, no one said anything about my cool drow smilies. I feel sad... http://www.geocities.com/daiel_g_13/dannysad.txt
Narethkraag 07-02-03, 04:06 PM	Originally posted by DanielTheHalfling Hey, no one said anything about my cool drow smilies. I feel sad... http://www.geocities.com/daiel_g_13/dannysad.txt Well thay are great and pretty cool.:D
anglar 07-02-03, 04:39 PM	Originally posted by Spawn Of Bahamut I am Getarnal Zwil-Tarnak, Drow Assasin .I request Membership and if the answer is yes please tell me my number. Spawn of Bahamut, you may be member #3. At the request of others, I am considering formally recognizing this as The Underdark Foundation. I merely await the opinions of those who have already joined.
DanielTheHalfling 07-02-03, 06:31 PM	Originally posted by Narethkraag Well thay are great and pretty cool.:D Thanks! http://www.geocities.com/daiel_g_13/dannycloud9.txt You want a smilie for yourself?
dragonlord557 07-02-03, 10:02 PM	Drow fondation or Underdark is fine with me. I like em both ^_^
Narethkraag 07-02-03, 10:50 PM	If Drow foundation is appealing in its own right..... the underdark is something that boggles the mind.... just imagine all the powerful and terrible creatures a/o races living down there. beholders, mind flayers, derro, duergar, aboleth, kuo-toa, drow, trolls, purple worms, umber hulks..... just to name a few.
Narethkraag 07-02-03, 10:52 PM	Originally posted by DanielTheHalfling Thanks! http://www.geocities.com/daiel_g_13/dannycloud9.txt You want a smilie for yourself? Only if it is no trouble for you......:D
Silmarien Aldalome 07-03-03, 01:25 AM	Originally posted by anglar As my grandfather would say, "Without faith that we achieve something greater than what we already are, why bother going on at all?" :bow: ....for Shame and Redemption are the Twins that stand side by side. Without the one there cannot be the knowing of the other. The Gift of the Drow to all Elvendom is by way of the Shame they create - so that Redemption may Be. The Price of Elven Wisdom is The Drow's Evil Purpose. A Great Grief to the Elves. The Drow give structure to Elven Purpose. Essential to D&D. CORE Rules depend on the Existence of Drow :bow: Silmarien
DanielTheHalfling 07-03-03, 10:10 AM	Originally posted by Narethkraag Only if it is no trouble for you......:D And how, and of what, do you want it?
Nazzokk 07-03-03, 10:45 AM	actually...the name i'm posting with is orcis...but i don't have the intention to open an account for every character I'm playing with...soooo I request Membership for the Drow/Drider Nerelda, Sorcerer, Servant of Seth
Spawn Of Bahamut 07-04-03, 05:07 AM	Stay as just the Drow foundation.
Nazzokk 07-04-03, 05:30 AM	what about me..?
piwi 07-04-03, 05:47 AM	Count me in!!!!!!!!!!!:)
Ouroboros 07-04-03, 01:28 PM	Why is Loth called loth doesn't it mean flower in elfish?
anglar 07-07-03, 05:03 PM	Originally posted by Ouroboros Why is Loth called loth doesn't it mean flower in elfish? Because she is called Lolth or Lloth if you're RAS.
anglar 07-07-03, 05:19 PM	Nerelda Drow Foundation member 00004 Piwi Drow Foundation member 00005
ShadeGirl 07-07-03, 06:06 PM	I only like drow unless they are evil. Its a personal thing. I mean, I know it is *possible* that there are good drow, but it just seems sort of annoying to me. Evil drow all the way!!! :D
dragonlord557 07-08-03, 02:07 AM	w00t! Here here Shadegirl. Evil drow all the way!:angel: <-ironic ain't it?
Nazzokk 07-08-03, 03:28 AM	does anyone of you have an idea where to get a reasonable female drider miniature?
ShadeGirl 07-08-03, 08:27 AM	:angel: <-ironic ain't it? Indeed. :)
NarlethDrider 07-08-03, 11:57 AM	Originally posted by anglar Nerelda Drow Foundation member 00004 Piwi Drow Foundation member 00005 Do you have a description of Nerelda? I'm trying to get the artistic cobwebs cleaned out & get drawing again & drow& driders have always been a fave subject---that is if u dont mind if I give a shot at drawing her. Some examples of old artwork are at: http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35850
dragonlord557 07-08-03, 12:45 PM	Nazzokk my best suggestion is try reaper minitures or ask on the minis board, if they don't know then I really don't know who would. Reaper Minis (http://www.reapermini.com/) Hope this helps
Nazzokk 07-09-03, 03:21 AM	Originally posted by NarlethDrider Do you have a description of Nerelda? I'm trying to get the artistic cobwebs cleaned out & get drawing again & drow& driders have always been a fave subject---that is if u dont mind if I give a shot at drawing her. Some examples of old artwork are at: http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35850 DAMN, your drawings RULE!!! Well I can give you a description of her - she got loooong hair, she's a real beauty, but her heart is even blacker then her skin. She should rather have long, graceful spider legs (well not too long...but not as plump and short as seen on some drawings). if you use colours her fave colours for clothing would be black, red, purple and silver...maybe blue...for her weapon I thought about something that doesn't exist yet 3;- )...it basically looks like a longstaff of iron, but on it's top there is an Ankh-Sign...she wields it in 2 hands...by the way shes a sorceress...you need any more information?
Silmarien Aldalome 07-09-03, 11:37 AM	Originally posted by ShadeGirl I only like drow unless they are evil. Its a personal thing. I mean, I know it is *possible* that there are good drow, but it just seems sort of annoying to me. Evil drow all the way!!! :D Now this sounds like the voice of :cool: cunning. Do you play drow PC's? Silmarien
Silmarien Aldalome 07-18-03, 09:44 AM	Originally posted by Ouroboros Why is Loth called loth doesn't it mean flower in elfish? Llolth. i want this thread back in the zone - there's a great deal of work to do on Drow constructs. so, this is a shameless bump. I will be developing Drown constructs here. Prestige classes, drow role-play concepts, and several other ideas I have - and your chat stuff is also welcome too. I also take requests from you to develop ideas. you're all welcome to use my (pending) work for your campaigns. cheers sil-(save-the-Drow)-marien PS - if Anglar returns - I look forward to the Thread Keeper leading discussion - but until then - I'll keep the thread alive.
Silmarien Aldalome 07-29-03, 09:43 PM	....Llolth surveys the Underdark - she summons the StormRage of the Shadow Weave - black Shadow Bolts explode against the Stone above the Great Houses of the Drow - To Nazzokk DAMN, your drawings RULE!!! Well I can give you a description of her - she got loooong hair, she's a real beauty, but her heart is even blacker then her skin. She should rather have long, graceful spider legs (well not too long...but not as plump and short as seen on some drawings). if you use colours her fave colours for clothing would be black, red, purple and silver...maybe blue...for her weapon I thought about something that doesn't exist yet 3;- )...it basically looks like a longstaff of iron, but on it's top there is an Ankh-Sign...she wields it in 2 hands...by the way shes a sorceress...you need any more information? Thanx for this - it is appreciated. Lolth elevates your House - in the Underdark. Sil
Kevmann 07-29-03, 09:48 PM	I like playing non-cliche drow... Drow that are not neccessarily beautiful, Drow that are not good, Drow that are not Evil in a classic sense, Drow that are insane in some way, Lawful Drow, I realy can't have fun playing a drow unless it has no cliches, because drow (even more then elves, which is shocking :eek: ) have the worst cliche baggage attached to them in the game of D&D.
Silmarien Aldalome 07-29-03, 10:08 PM	Originally posted by Kevmann [B]I like playing non-cliche drow... Drow that are not neccessarily beautiful, Drow that are not good, Drow that are not Evil in a classic sense, Drow that are insane in some way, Lawful Drow, I realy can't have fun playing a drow unless it has no cliches, because drow (even more then elves, which is shocking :eek: ) have the worst cliche baggage attached to them in the game of D&D. Hmmm, now - very interesting (*reflects inwardly*). Don't you mean "Drow that ARE good" for non-cliche? Fair enough - I take that as an invitation to develop a non-cliche PrC. I am going to need more concepts though from you and other members. Some examples would be good (eh, I mean 'bad' for Drow) - pardon the pun. Also - I would share at this point that - there is no shame in being standard Drow-esque - or otherwise. Do you like Drizzt? the Violet-eyed one Cheers Sil
ShadeGirl 07-29-03, 10:23 PM	Do you play drow PC's? I played a half-drow who was the meanest biatch on the face of Faerun. She was magnificent...*very* cunning. :)
Silmarien Aldalome 07-29-03, 10:33 PM	Originally posted by ShadeGirl I played a half-drow who was the meanest biatch on the face of Faerun. She was magnificent...*very* cunning. :) Hey Shadegirl - GREAT to see you back here (the Ozzie drawls). Tell us a bit more about this mean biatch - she sounds fantastic. In particular, you said 'half'. How did that happen! Cool by the way! Cheers sil
Dipree Xarann 07-29-03, 10:52 PM	*in walks a silver-haired, dark-eyed drow male of about 100 years of age (approximate late teens to early-20's if he were human). He wears a black chain shirt emblazoned on the front with a white stylized spider emblem. From his belt hangs two longswords, a battleaxe, and a mace. On his back rests a composite longbow and quiver of arrows* I, Dipree Xarann, from the city of Erelhei-Cinlu also request membership in the Drow Foundation. I suppose I should tell the foundation a bit about myself: I was born a commoner in Erelhei-Cinlu, an ancient drow city embroiled in religious turmoil. A battle for supremacy between the followers of Lolth, Ghaunadaur, and Vhaerun brews in the city. My father Durdyn is the leader of a small but prosperous merchant band and a closet follower of the Masked Lord. His second-in-command Ardulace was my word-wean mother and my surrogate mother. My true mother's identity? I cannot say for sure. As a child, I showed a talent for both martial combat and the arcane arts. Ardulace, a fighter and wizard who once served as the captain-of-the-guard for a destroyed House, recognized my potential and began training me in both arcane magic and draa velve, the two-weapon fighting style of the dark elves. My father educated me in the "family business" of the merchant house. I accompanied him on several business trips to the Night Above over the years (and the occasional raid). As I approached adulthood, I grew more and more dissatisfied with life in the city. One day, when most of the clan was away on business, I packed my armor, weapons, and some provisions and left Erelhei-Cinlu...with the intention of never returning. After several dangerous weeks in the Underdark, I found a hidden passage to the surface that had been opened by a cave-in. The passage opened into a forest and I stayed there for a time. One night, I encountered a large marauding band of goblins led by a hobgoblin. Though several fell to my blows, my decaying armor and weapons were no match for the goblins' superior numbers. I would surely have died if a band of female drow who served Eilistraee had not intervened and saved my life. They told me of the Dark Maiden & gave me her message. Confused and uncertain, I decided not to commit to Eilistraee at that time. They respected my decision and, after healing my wounds and supplying me with some nonmagical weapons and armor, they wished me well. I spent eight years adventuring in the Lands of Light. Recently, I saw a posting by the Duke of Geoff. His land has been ravaged by a band of hill giants that attack with a large amount of coordination and tactics that is unusual & he has been seeking brave souls to do away with the evil giants. I answered the ad and formed a conspiracy (or I guess the human word "alliance" is more appropriate) with a human monk called Brother Fernandez. In the dungeons of the hill giant chief, we encountered and freed three prisoners: Cebo (a faerie-elven cleric of Corellon), his cousin Dala (a female half-human fighter/wizard), and Oskar Holderheck (a male dwarf fighter). We agreed to join forces & bring down the giants. We succeeded, but it seems the conspiracy is much bigger than we thought: frost, fire, stone, and cloud giants are involved as well. Currently we are exploring the Glacial Rift of the Frost Giant Jarl, bringing retribution to the evil frost giants. I now have direction in my life: adventure, friends, and a desire to lay low those who commit the same crimes as my evil dark-elven kin. I believe that Eilistraee the Dark Maiden has helped me find that direction and, for that, I thank her.
Kevmann 07-29-03, 11:06 PM	Originally posted by Silmarien Aldalome Hmmm, now - very interesting (*reflects inwardly*). Don't you mean "Drow that ARE good" for non-cliche? Fair enough - I take that as an invitation to develop a non-cliche PrC. I am going to need more concepts though from you and other members. Some examples would be good (eh, I mean 'bad' for Drow) - pardon the pun. Also - I would share at this point that - there is no shame in being standard Drow-esque - or otherwise. Do you like Drizzt? the Violet-eyed one Cheers Sil Oh no, you have me all wrong... I HATE good drow, more than anything. I HATE drizzt, I hate violet eyes, I hate double simitars. I hate good drow in general.
Silmarien Aldalome 07-29-03, 11:07 PM	Great to see you here. Originally posted by Dipree Xarann [B]*in walks a silver-haired, dark-eyed drow male of about 100 years of age (approximate late teens to early-20's if he were human). He wears a black chain shirt emblazoned on the front with a white stylized spider emblem. From his belt hangs two longswords, a battleaxe, and a mace. On his back rests a composite longbow and quiver of arrows* I, Dipree Xarann, from the city of Erelhei-Cinlu also request membership in the Drow Foundation. I suppose I should tell the foundation a bit about myself: Now, Anglar has been away for a while, so I have adopted Mantle of Thread-Steward - until Anglar returns (he would appreciate my help). Lolth forever keep you strong! WELCOME - but I don't know what number you are. You posted a fanstastic post!!!! If you need anything, Silmarien in "drow mode" will attend to your needs. For example, request a PrC, or explore any "drow-matters" you wish. That goes for everybody. I ALWAYS respond to Posters. Best To You Sil
Silmarien Aldalome 07-29-03, 11:10 PM	Originally posted by Kevmann Oh no, you have me all wrong... I HATE good drow, more than anything. I HATE drizzt, I hate violet eyes, I hate double simitars. I hate good drow in general. No Problemo Dude! Hate-away! (Sil isn't alone on "shrill"-matters :) :) :) ) Others won't hate him though. All good here. Now - good stuff - what 'flavour' inspires you in a Drow - super-natural abilities? personality leanings? I'd like to know your 'vision' of Drow - so that we can develop your ideas here. cheers sil
Kevmann 07-29-03, 11:38 PM	Personally, I like to play half-drow better, because they do not get the huge ECL hit. BUT, I like to play drow because it is one of the only races in the entirity of D&D (IMHO) that has a cool culture. I like drow, because I also LOVE evil (I am having a love affair with evil... hmmmm... that feels good, keep doing it :angel: :smirk: ) Also, drow make the BEST wizards, cool sophistication with a twist of evil. Also, I saw Shadegirl play that half-drow shadow-adept necromancer. It was one of the most kick-ass characters I have ever seen play, both Role-playing wise and game mechanics wise :bow:.
Silmarien Aldalome 07-30-03, 03:34 AM	Damn those double posts
Silmarien Aldalome 07-30-03, 03:35 AM	Now - this brings a huge smile to my face. Who is this "shadegirl"? Shadegirl! Declare yourself! You two have played in campaigns together I see? Very excellent. I'm sure Buffy would have every reason to fear you - you beatch! :) :) :) Kev obviousely thinks VERY highly of you!!!! As to your 'love affair with evil' - enjoy it - something to discover there on your Road. As for me - well - I am *in possesion of my own power* not *possessed by the need for power* - they are very different those two. I've had enough scuffles, bruises, broken bones, bollickings and so on, to want it that way. *looks in mirror* *sees some crows feet - but basically in-tact body/hair/skin* - *blurs vision deliberately* "ahh, there, that's better"! Now - back on-topic - I want to develop several PrC's here at the Foundation - can you clarify what you mean by *best wizards* and also, to Shadegirl the Magnificent. Please describe a bit about your character. Cheers Silmarien
BladeVenom 07-30-03, 05:00 PM	There is nothing sillier in D&D than good Drow. They disgust me. What next gentle red dragons, or effeminate cultured orcs. Drow are suppose to be the evilest cruelest race this side of the Abyss. Just say no to good Drow.
ShadeGirl 07-30-03, 07:09 PM	Now - back on-topic - I want to develop several PrC's here at the Foundation - can you clarify what you mean by *best wizards* and also, to Shadegirl the Magnificent. Hey, Sil. :) I have a new job so I've had to cut back on the boards a bit. I'll be online all day tomorrow though, so I'll be sure to contribute to your foundation by telling you all about my sinister darling. And yes...Kev and I have played together quite a bit. :D -ShadeGirl
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Silmarien Aldalome 07-30-03, 08:40 PM	Originally posted by ShadeGirl Hey, Sil. :) I have a new job so I've had to cut back on the boards a bit. I'll be online all day tomorrow though, so I'll be sure to contribute to your foundation by telling you all about my sinister darling. And yes...Kev and I have played together quite a bit. :D -ShadeGirl Congratulations with your employment! I hope it is enjoyable, and to your needs, rather than vice-versa. I really appreciate the posting of your time and availability - we will look forward to your posts! :bow: Silmarien
Silmarien Aldalome 07-30-03, 08:42 PM	Originally posted by BladeVenom There is nothing sillier in D&D than good Drow. They disgust me. What next gentle red dragons, or effeminate cultured orcs. Drow are suppose to be the evilest cruelest race this side of the Abyss. Just say no to good Drow. Do you know, this is very pleasing on a Drow Thread. Hate goodness away. Your avatar is a black blob - very Underdark. No doubt I need Dark Vision to see the character within the Darkness. In terms of Good Drow - there will be many who like them - which is up to them - and these folk are welcome here too. At a story-line development level: I think the tension that conflicting alignments generate between the Drow is a central element in Drow storylines. Without this tension - there are unilaterally homogeneous Drow of possibly limited variety. The contrast makes evil Drow more poignant. Thanx for your post - it's great to see you back. Cheers Sil BTW: I ain't Jugah - but, have known Jugah since 1991! Also D&Der Sorry about deleted posts - but that PC was Jugah's PC left on with his login. Woops....so, reposted my two posts again.
Dipree Xarann 07-30-03, 09:26 PM	Originally posted by Silmarien Aldalome Great to see you here. Now, Anglar has been away for a while, so I have adopted Mantle of Thread-Steward - until Anglar returns (he would appreciate my help). Lolth forever keep you strong! WELCOME - but I don't know what number you are. You posted a fanstastic post!!!! If you need anything, Silmarien in "drow mode" will attend to your needs. For example, request a PrC, or explore any "drow-matters" you wish. That goes for everybody. I ALWAYS respond to Posters. Best To You Sil Thank you, Sil. Once Anglar comes back and bestows a number upon me, I'll add it to my sig. Believe it or not, I add to cut the story down quite a bit. Character backgrounds are fun. :D Originally posted by dragonlord557 Does anyone know any kinda details about Vhaeraun? He's one of my favorite drow deities, I've got FRCS and F&P but I'm wondering if anyone knows anything more about him then whats listed there, if so I'd apperciate the info about him. The 2E FR Supplement Demihuman Deities went into a little more detail about Lolth and Vhaerun's betrayal of Corellon. If you have it or know someone who does, it's a good read. :) I will say that Vhaerun considers females and males to be equal, and that when the drow take their rightful place on the surface, the drow and elven communities should work together for advancement without the need for trade with dwarves, gnomes, and the like (though humans and halflings can be tolerated).
Silmarien Aldalome 07-30-03, 10:04 PM	Originally posted by Dipree Xarann Thank you, Sil. Once Anglar comes back and bestows a number upon me, I'll add it to my sig. Believe it or not, I add to cut the story down quite a bit. Character backgrounds are fun. :D The 2E FR Supplement Demihuman Deities went into a little more detail about Lolth and Vhaerun's betrayal of Corellon. If you have it or know someone who does, it's a good read. :) I will say that Vhaerun considers females and males to be equal, and that when the drow take their rightful place on the surface, the drow and elven communities should work together for advancement without the need for trade with dwarves, gnomes, and the like (though humans and halflings can be tolerated). You are very welcome!!! Will be sure to hava look. Anglar may not return - people come and go frequently at boards, and some remain as the Corum. I'd suggest a number over 15 - any number, and we'll start the counting there again. So - welcome Member 15 - Now - turns to all members - I have absorbed about 100 different ideas for PrC's in the last 24 hours, from the various posters on other boards and threads. Expect some PrC's in the coming 7 days or so. So, thanks for all your efforts guys - it will be my pleasure to reflect your labours back here as PrC's and other things. In the mean time, I will respond to any other wishes you post here, and keep your posts coming along. May the Drow Flourish Forever! And may you get everything you wish for. Cheers Sil :bow:
jugah 07-30-03, 11:54 PM	Daniel the Halfling- thank you for the smiles. But what stock are you from pray tell? -Jugah
Dipree Xarann 07-31-03, 07:08 PM	I have a quick question: has anyone seen any official 3.0 or 3.5 stats for the whip of fangs wielded by the clerics of Lolth? I have the FRCS and F&P but I've only flipped through and didn't see anything about them. I appreciate any help that can be offered. :)
Silmarien Aldalome 08-01-03, 11:10 AM	Originally posted by Dipree Xarann I have a quick question: has anyone seen any official 3.0 or 3.5 stats for the whip of fangs wielded by the clerics of Lolth? I have the FRCS and F&P but I've only flipped through and didn't see anything about them. I appreciate any help that can be offered. :) Ahh, yes, a very cool item! But, I have never seen statistics for them. Develop the idea here. Provide the parameters of your request - and I will be happy to help out. Turns to Members - anyone know better - please help us out. OK: 1. They inflict Pain - seem to bypass Savings Throws or at least saves halve damage/pain. 2. They bite & numb/poison. Or some sort of subdual. 3. They have varying heads, depending on the caster level 4. I suspect they have ethereal properties or 'phasing' properties. 5. Extended Reach - they can be directed to varying depths. 6. They do damage. Have I missed anything? Cheers Sil
BladeVenom 08-01-03, 07:44 PM	Originally posted by Dipree Xarann I have a quick question: has anyone seen any official 3.0 or 3.5 stats for the whip of fangs wielded by the clerics of Lolth? I have the FRCS and F&P but I've only flipped through and didn't see anything about them. I appreciate any help that can be offered. :) I don't see it in LoD, or MoF either. Also doesn't appear to be in the SRD.
Dipree Xarann 08-01-03, 10:47 PM	Let's see, brainstorming...the numbing and pain I would probably call temporary Str or Dex damage (the Drow of the Underdark specifically says that the snake heads have fangs but not poison). Sil has very good points about the ghost touch ability and the extended reach. The whip of fangs doesn't strike me as a horribly high-powered magical item; I'd say a +2 enchantment at most. Hmmm..... I'll work up something on it tomorrow and post it here for everyone to see. :D
Dipree Xarann 08-02-03, 09:56 PM	Here is my first take on the whip of fangs used by clerics of the Spider Queen. I think it stays pretty true to the whip's description in 2E's Drow of the Underdark. Any feedback or suggestions are appreciated. I will post the item creation info at a later date once I have figured it up. :) Whip of Fangs: This is a special weapon wielded by the female drow of Lolth's clergy. These Medium-sized +1 unholy whips have adamantine handles but their tendrils are living snake-heads which hiss, coil, writhe, and reach in response to the thought of their wielder. A whip of fangs typically has one tendril for every 3 levels of the cleric who wields it. In combat, the whip's snake-head tendrils bite deep into the target's flesh. Although the tendrils' fangs have no poison, they inject waves of magical energy that cause numbness and shoot waves of pain throughout the target's body. The whip of fangs deals 1d3 subdual damage plus an additional 1d3 points of temporary Strength damage per hit [+2d6 points of bonus (unholy) damage when striking a good creature]. Unlike other whips, a whip of fangs will deal damage against creatures with an armor bonus of +1 or higher or a natural armor bonus of +3 or higher who would normally have nothing to fear from a whip. These weapons of Lolth's clerics also have a special ability: each whip is magically attuned to a specific cleric. If anyone other than the attuned wielder attempts to grasp the weapon, the snake-heads will attack as if the weapon had the dancing special quality (using the BAB of the cleric who normally wields the whip). Lolth's clerics consider these dreadful weapons personal gifts from the Spider Queen herself, believing that they will cease to function or even turn on their wielder if used in an act against Lolth's will. An angry drow cleric typically uses her whip indiscriminately on slaves, servants, pupils, and male relatives.
Dipree Xarann 08-05-03, 04:11 PM	*listens to the chirping of crickets* Lolth's eight legs, I've seen tombs more lively than this place as been the last few days. Where is everybody? http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/115109/DrowConfused.gif
ShadeGirl 08-05-03, 11:43 PM	Working like a dog... :twitch: :) I haven't been posting at all lately because I've been so busy. Sorry! Break-time coming soon...I hope... *prays to the gods* truly, ShadeGirl
Dipree Xarann 08-06-03, 08:19 PM	No problem, ShadeGirl. I understand that...it's busy season at my job too. :D When you and the others have a chance, let me know what you think of my take on the 3.x whip of fangs. I'll start working on the creation costs, etc. and will post them when I can. :)
Silmarien Aldalome 08-07-03, 02:13 AM	Proxy Thread Keeper extends PROFUSE thanx and gratitude - for helping to keep thread 'bumped'. And - I haven't forgotten PrC's (pending). Am at Forgotten Realm's Boards thrashing out a theory for Weave and Shadow Weave (we are being VERY geeky about it - truly propeller heads - *smiles*) All welcome - but warning, it's very 'physics-y'! Originally posted by Dipree Xarann Here is my first take on the whip of fangs used by clerics of the Spider Queen. Whip of Fangs: This is a special weapon wielded by the female drow of Lolth's clergy. These Medium-sized +1 unholy whips have adamantine handles but their tendrils are living snake-heads which hiss, coil, writhe, and reach in response to the thought of their wielder. A whip of fangs typically has one tendril for every 3 levels of the cleric who wields it.[/quote} I love it - but want to up the Ante here - +1 for every three levels of Cleric! High Priests get at least +5! [quote]In combat, the whip's snake-head tendrils bite deep into the target's flesh. Although the tendrils' fangs have no poison, they inject waves of magical energy that cause numbness and shoot waves of pain throughout the target's body. The whip of fangs deals 1d3 subdual damage plus an additional 1d3 points of temporary Strength damage per hit [+2d6 points of bonus (unholy) damage when striking a good creature]. COOLNESS VERY! Unlike other whips, a whip of fangs will deal damage against creatures with an armor bonus of +1 or higher or a natural armor bonus of +3 or higher who would normally have nothing to fear from a whip. These weapons of Lolth's clerics also have a special ability: each whip is magically attuned to a specific cleric. If anyone other than the attuned wielder attempts to grasp the weapon, the snake-heads will attack as if the weapon had the dancing special quality (using the BAB of the cleric who normally wields the whip). Gorgeous addendum - very appropriate! Lolth's clerics consider these dreadful weapons personal gifts from the Spider Queen herself, believing that they will cease to function or even turn on their wielder if used in an act against Lolth's will. An angry drow cleric typically uses her whip indiscriminately on slaves, servants, pupils, and male relatives. I remember the whips causing a sense of 'helplessness' too - a psychological effect (will based drain! you know, like "I can't beat this") how 'bout Temporary -2 to Wisdom for failed save??? Cheers Turns to Shade Girl Halib Sheep-Compassionate-One (compliment - :bow:) We understand - we'll look to your spontaneous returns! Don't work too hard! Say hi to Kev! Cheers Sil
Dipree Xarann 08-09-03, 08:21 PM	Here's my revised version. I like the "+1 per 3 cleric levels" idea, but I couldn't find anything about a feeling of helplessness overcoming the target in Drow of the Underdark. So here's version 2.0: Whip of Fangs: This is a special weapon wielded by the female drow of Lolth's clergy. These Medium-sized unholy whips have adamantine handles but their tendrils are living snake-heads which hiss, coil, writhe, and reach in response to the thought of their wielder. A whip of fangs typically has one tendril and a +1 enchantment bonus for every 3 levels of the cleric who wields it (up to five snake-heads and +5 enchantment bonus at 15th level). In combat, the whip's snake-head tendrils bite deep into the target's flesh. Although the tendrils' fangs have no poison, they inject waves of magical energy that cause numbness and shoot waves of pain throughout the target's body. The whip of fangs deals 1d3 subdual damage plus an additional 1d3 points of temporary Strength damage per hit [+2d6 points of bonus unholy (evil) damage when striking a good creature]. Unlike other whips, a whip of fangs will deal damage against creatures with an armor bonus of +1 or higher or a natural armor bonus of +3 or higher who would normally have nothing to fear from a whip. These weapons of Lolth's clerics also have a special ability: each whip is magically attuned to a specific cleric. If anyone other than the attuned wielder attempts to grasp the weapon, the snake-heads will attack as if the weapon had the dancing special quality (using the BAB of the cleric who normally wields the whip). Lolth's clerics consider these dreadful weapons personal gifts from the Spider Queen herself, believing that they will cease to function or even turn on their wielder if used in an act against Lolth's will. An angry drow cleric typically uses her whip indiscriminately on slaves, servants, pupils, and male relatives.
Silmarien Aldalome 08-10-03, 04:28 AM	That's fantastic! A richly characterised account of a magical object. Your casting integrates all the essential features of the mythology, and brings to life the weapon. I particularly liked your interpretation of the 'personalised' weapon - very Lolth-esque. We really appreciate your efforts - and again encourage you to continue your work (as long as it doesn't intrude into your life too much). The Foundation benefits from your contribution. Next post is a PrC - Cheers Silmarien-In-Drow-Mode
Silmarien Aldalome 08-10-03, 06:07 AM	Drow Shadow Elven Verse Masters When Shar infused her essence into the Shadow Weave when Karsus cast his Avatar Spell - she gleaned an insight into the organisation of High Elven Magic, as Mythal Casters of the Weave wield it. Shar, sensing that the balance of power lay in the Weave, recognises a great need to determine ways of replicating the Weave's uses in users of the Shadow Weave. Shar saw that Dark Mythallar still left the daunting power of High Elven Magic, as one of her greatest Banes. Therefore, long she wraught and in secret - communing by occasion with Lolth, and Shar's minions on Toril captured Elf and Drow and she studied their essences, looking for ways of tempting Drow casters with unsurpassable magical feats. Shar's greatest barrier, was the knowledge that High Elven Magic required peace, equanimity and love of nature as prequils to Elven Attunement - the last phase before Enacting a Mythal. For Drow know no inner peace, and are greedy, malicious and mistrusting. The thought of Elven "Attunement to Nature" Shar knew, would be a disgusting thought - and impossible - to a Drow. But, the Shadow Weave is of Non-Space, in the space between space - and so, does not commune with the Material Plane in the same ways as does Weave. So it was that Shar determined a way of using Drow tendencies, to enact the equivalent of Attunement with Shadow Weave - the result, The Gift to The Drow by Shar - tomes, artifacts and so provided the conditions for the Birthing of Drow Shadow Elven Masters. Drow greed and malice can become so consuming, that this sometimes drives them together - where all their malice is focussed onto the one cause. This happens when many Drow share a need for vengeance against the same target. So, Drow have discovered not only the equivalent of a Mythal - a Dark Mythal - but also have gleaned the secrets of Silverfire, and created Darkfire as opposing force. Prerequisites 1. A Drow must have some Elven Blood (at least 5% see Synergy Feats - at the Half-Elven Foundation). 2. Base Attack Bounus (BAB) of +10. 3. Great will - at least 14 Wisdom 4. Be a Magic User, Diviner, Bard, Ranger, Druid Dark Paladin or Cleric. 5. Have had a Near Death Experience (NDE). This is where Shar Intervened, and provided the necessary Knowledge to Drow. Class Skills Alchemy, Herbalism, Concentration, Knowledge (Arcana), Knowledge (Religion) Spellcraft, Hide, Move Silently, Use Magical Device, Disable Device. Skill Points 4+Intelligence Modifier (i.e. as per Wizard) Class Features Weapon & Armour Proficiency as per parent Class Spells At every level, the character gains spell slots as if she had gained a level in the spellcasting/ranger class she belonged to. However, she does not gain any other benefits of the parent class that would have been gained with level advancement (feats, special abilities). If the character had more than one spellcasting class before becoming a Shadow-Elven Verse Master, she must decide which class to add the new Prestige Class to for the purposes of determining spells per day. Dark Elven Verse Master Statistics Lvl BAB Fort Ref Will 1 +1 +2 +0 +2 Shadow Elven Adept 2 +2 +3 +0 +3 Shadow Elven Sorcerer 3 +3 +3 +1 +3 Shadow Elven Avatar 4 +4 +4 +1 +4 Shadow Elven Mythal Master 5 +5 +4 +2 +4 Shadow Elven Verse Master Shadow Elven Adept Your very form becomes infused with the Shadow Weave's Voice. Energy washes over you without harm and into action. You gain a Synergy Insight into the Shadow Weave - and you are always in communion with it in Non Space. You may summon Shadow Bolts (1d6 per level of caster - no limit) which is an jet black and highly potent form of magic. You have options with this Fire. You may use it as a Fire-Shield. Every foe that strikes you will take 1d6 per caster level. Anything under 10 hit dice must make a Will save or pass out for 1d4 rounds. Alternatively, you may propel the magic outwards, as a single bolt of Black force. Opponents struck by this take damage as described. This is a supernatural ability and may be used once per day for every five character levels (three times a day for 15th level characters). A Shadow Elven Adept may also cause various harms according to the following table. Damage Type DC Break Bone 15 Cause Internal Bleeding 15 Damage Limb 20 Infuse Terminal Poison 20 Cause Disease 20 Notes: add 2 to DC check for extra severity or to conditions that adversely impair spell casting. Penalties stac. Shadow Elven Sorcerer Your fusion with Non-Space and the Shadow Weave entunes you to Shadow Magic. You have discovered that the Earth and all its living things are interwoven with the Great Shadow Verse and so, you may Ruin Earth. You may try to destroy the very Earth. This is a demanding and sometimes dangerous endeavour. In enacting such ruin, you must actually immerse yourself in that ruination. This may cause despair and which challenges you past your limits (will save DC base of 15 + modifyers depending on nature of Ill). If you fail the will save, you run the risk of taking on the same harm you are attempting to inflict upon the Earth. If you are successful with the spell, however, ruin will be triggered by you in the area you are affecting, with noticable effects immediately. First the grass browns, and grass seeds disintegrate. Over the period of about of a week, grasses die, plants wilt and decompose, animals either flee, or suffer along with the ruination. At the end of the week, all that remains is an arid waste land, barren of all life, and naked for the sun to burn. Shadow Elven Sorcerers may also enact the following Abominations: Damage Type DC Magical/Supernatural Possession 15 Magical/Supernatural Poison 20 Black Breath 25 Demonic Ill 25 Earth Bane 30 Notes: 1. For Possession/Poison, DM's may decide to add the Level of Monster/Caster minus Level of Sorcerer's this DC Check. 2. Black Breath is like LOTR's Ringwraith Effects. 3. An Earth Bane might be "the Great Ill Light of the lurid Black Stone. Whose fell Unlight warps, and distorts Nature." Shadow Elven Avatar This supernatural ability may be used once per day for every three levels of Mastery. This ability allows you to Counter Magic. But, you don't need to have the actual spell you are countering memorised. You roll a 1d20 and add your character level to this as does your foe. If you tie or best your opponents score, the opponent's spell is ruined. This is a highly visual ability. To onlookers, what can be seen is a massive surge and convergence of Black lightwith the opponent's magic. This releases a corruscation of not only energies, but also sound. Shadow Elven Mythal Caster You are so intuned with the Shadow Weave that you can do amazing things with this magical force. You may use this supernatural ability once per day. a. Replenish Magic=by Engaging in Verse you can re-charge some of your spell slots. One round's worth of Immersion results in up to one 3rd level slot recovery. You may add up to one 3rd level slot for every three levels in your primary character class. 15th level character can recall 5X3 levels worth of slots=any 15 individual spell slots, in any combination you wish. b. Silence Magic=You bring all flow of magic to an absolute halt in a 60 feet radius. This includes all magical weapons, items, constructs, spells, supernatural abilities, and spell-like abilities. c. Strengthen Magic=You may enhance the effects of all spells cast within a 60-feet radius of your physical form. At this level of ability, you may Enjoin with other Dark Elves in Greedy Verse, Malicious Verse or Vengeful Verse. That is, you make be part of the enaction of a Dark Mythal. But you cannot yet lead the meta-concert. Shadow Elven Verse Master A Verse Master may co-ordinate a Great Meta-Concert of the Dark Elven Verse. That is, you have such control over Non-space that you may interweave several or many other Dark Elves into One Shadowy Song - where there is plural potency in the magic you manifest. A Meta-Concert may take any form you can so name. It is akin to Wish, but is very risky if you overstep reasonable limits (to be moderated by your DM). The more Dark Elves enjoined, the better the chance of success. Shadow Weave magic may not use spells with a light designator, or activate spell completions or spell triggers with the light designator. They do, however, get bonuses with Shadows, Enchantment, Necromancy, and Illusion. If a member is present of the Hight Elven Magic kind, this presence may "corrupt" the Voice of the Shadow Verse Verse and can cause havoc to a Meta Concert, and put all contributers at risk. A particularly adept Shadow Verse Master has a chance of preventing disaster if there is a discordant Voice is detected in the Verse. Outcomes are as many as can be created by inventive players. Darkfire is another post. Cheers Silmarien PS - *to everyone* We role play out concepts developed at Races here at the One Land (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48404) Because it's an 'interlace' game, it has many threads concurrently. Battle currently here at Pnatemul, The Dark Citadel (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53373) Read opening post here at Peredhil Halls (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=630369#post630369), it gives all the DM-standards we use.
Dipree Xarann 08-23-03, 08:22 PM	...I like it. I like it a lot. :bow: :D Could be interesting for a minor BBEG in the homebrew campaign I'm working on. :smirk:
NarlethDrider 08-23-03, 10:56 PM	Some nice work SA & DX, I'll have to borrow some of this for my pbem games (if you dont mind:) ) In the intrest of sharing creations, I have some Drow Halfbreeds & Allies (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=84524) here---u might find some of them useful, though, most of 'em are kinda 'campaign specific'---created in a moment of utter geekiness :D
kedi 08-24-03, 02:18 AM	I'm a member of elven foundation, am I a member of drow too?? If not, should I color my skin black for becoming a drow?? :uh-huh:
Silmarien Aldalome 08-24-03, 08:27 AM	*Turns to Narleth Dryder and Dipree X * :bow: I'm rapt that you'd want to use this stuff for your campaigns - it's why we develop them at WotC - so that everyone can have 'em..... Turns to Kedi - my friend - Anglar is 'in absentia'. I am thread keeper here. You are welcome to join Drow Foundation. You may colour your skin with shoe polish and change your hair colour to platinum blond as often as you wish. *Grabs Silver wig* *starts colouring in own face* As to numbers - your 51. Have a look at the PrC three posts up, and make some suggestions. Do you have anything you want to discuss at Drow Foundation. Also, check out DX's very kool Whip thingy. Enjoy - also - turns to viewer - I take requests. Would you like to develop a PrC or another concept/construct? Cheers Silmarien
Dipree Xarann 08-24-03, 11:01 PM	I don't mind your using the whip of fangs at all, NarlethDrider. As Sil says, that's why we post our Drow-related creations here: to share them with other Drow-ophiles. Use it, just don't abuse it (unless you're the DM of course). http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/devil/firedevil.gif
Silmarien Aldalome 08-24-03, 11:52 PM	Originally posted by Dipree Xarann I don't mind your using the whip of fangs at all, NarlethDrider. As Sil says, that's why we post our Drow-related creations here: to share them with other Drow-ophiles. Use it, just don't abuse it (unless you're the DM of course). http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/devil/firedevil.gif Very kool Firedevil Dipree Xarann.......I've just created another PrC at H/Elven Foundation - we need to Drow-ify it here...... Any ideas? Cheers Sil
kedi 08-25-03, 03:03 AM	well, give him the dark lore, some special spells found in underdark, don't change him more.... I couldn't colored my skin black, just greeny...:smirk:
Silmarien Aldalome 08-25-03, 03:25 AM	Originally posted by kedi well, give him the dark lore, some special spells found in underdark, don't change him more.... I couldn't colored my skin black, just greeny...:smirk: [/B] :rofl: to the last bit, and bring it on to the bold face bits. what spells were you thinking of, and what kind of dark lore? cheers sil
kedi 08-25-03, 03:35 AM	well, check: and [url=http://www.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=dnd/fw/fw20021025a]the far corners of the world: spells of underdark (]the far corners of the world: magical items of underdark[/url) cheers.
kedi 08-25-03, 03:38 AM	plus: make his epic version:5 to 10 or 15, give him some mythal abilities and seed affinity as a elven hig mage does, but drow only. Limit his seed affinity, if you don't have the prc, check RoF, if not, post me your email if you have adobe reader
Silmarien Aldalome 08-25-03, 03:41 AM	Thanx Kedi Sil
kedi 08-25-03, 03:45 AM	and LoD has some cool spells and descriptions about drows, yer e mail:
anglar 09-11-03, 12:34 AM	I would just like to thank everyone who took up this thread in my absence. It's nice to know that even "evil" can be loved.
Yipwyg the Mighty 09-11-03, 09:36 AM	I love the drow! They're so.... EVIL!!! I wanna be a member! What is my number?!
Silmarien Aldalome 09-11-03, 10:46 AM	GREAT to see you back Anglar! See You Suddenly Silmarien
kedi 09-12-03, 06:32 AM	huyyo im back! so dear drow lovers, not much post we have do we? hows PrC goin sis?
jugah 09-15-03, 12:50 AM	Hi Everyone, I've been having flashes of battles and hits continuing, no matter how well one seemingly throws. Sometimes all I can do is fling that sword and toss snares in the vain hope that something will stick to get the Orcs off my back. Any one know the feeling? Jugah
Getarnal_the_Drow 09-15-03, 02:07 PM	Hello fellow drow You may not recognise me but I used to be Spawn of Bahamut May I rejoin the foundation under this name?? (I am now a Drow Rogue10/Assasin30/Cleric of Nerull52)
Frostbite_Ravenheart 09-15-03, 07:20 PM	Aye anglar sign me up for this Drow foundation you got going here. For now i have my lidless eye turned somewhere else so to speak but i shall return here soon before the dawn of a new moon!
Yipwyg the Mighty 09-15-03, 07:26 PM	Must... Join... drow... They're so evil! Anyone here read Dragon issue #298? Mmm, mmm, good! Dripping poison onto a bound prisoner's head until he dies for entertainment... Those guys are vile.
Dipree Xarann 09-15-03, 08:40 PM	Welcome to the Foundation, Yipwyg the Mighty and other newcomers.
Troubled Jester 09-15-03, 08:45 PM	Bahahah me wanna join, I love Drow, anything to do with them, death to all other elves!
Joneleth Talshara 09-15-03, 11:45 PM	Dripping poison onto a bound prisoner's head until he dies for entertainment... Those guys are vile. Physical torture is so passe. It's mental torture that really gets to them. Hound them through their most terrible nightmares, torment them with a thousand deaths in a dreamscape of your choosing, shatter their safe definition of reality, tear apart their psyche and violate their mind, until there is nothing left but a gibbering wreck. Then cast heal and do it again. Of course, I'm a sun elf mage. What would I know of torture? :D
anglar 09-16-03, 12:08 AM	Seeing as how we are growing and are a Drow foundation, I think it would only be fitting to be a house instead of being "member #X". I gone back through the posts and have collected the names of those who have asked for membership. I'm only making guesses as to the gender, so, if I am wrong, please do correct me and I will adjust here accordingly. Unless there are any objections, I would like us to known as Opele Va` Esse, meaning The House of No Name. Safti, First Daughter of Opele Va` Esse. Dragonlord557, 1st Son of Opele Va` Esse. Geternal Zwil-Tarnak, 2nd son of Opele Va` Esse. Nerelda, 3rd son of Opele Va` Esse. Piwi, 4th son of Opele Va` Esse. Dipree Xarann, 5th son of Opele Va` Esse. Kedi, 6th son of Opele Va` Esse. Frostbite Ravenheart, 7th son of Opele Va` Esse. Yipwyg the Mighty, 8th son of Opele Va` Esse. Troubled Jester, 9th son of Opele Va` Esse. Fathomless1, 10th son of Opele Va` Esse. Again, if I have errored in your gender, please let me know so that I can make it correct.
Silmarien Aldalome 09-16-03, 06:05 AM	Silmarien (in Drow Voice) Turns to Anglar - the Channeling force of none other than Llolth herslef - and smiles wickedly - Oh Lloth - may your malice burn eternally - Verily Joneleth - mental torture is better - Greetings everyone. Sil
anglar 09-16-03, 05:49 PM	Anglar steps into the dimly lit antechamber and slowly approaches the throne. He removes his hat in a sweeping motion and lowers his head, keeping his eyes at the feet of the Matron Mother of Opele Va` Esse. "May the favor of Lloth be with you for as long as you are deserving, Matron Mother." And a moment longer I silently think to myself. "There affairs of the House are in order, so far as I have ascertained. The faith of your loyal followers is strong. There is the one question, unless I errored previously, that you have no daughters. While I am capable of seeing the wisdom of this choice for now, there are others who may see it as a sign of mighty Lloth's disfavor. I offer my services in the "correction" of this state."
Dipree Xarann 09-16-03, 09:21 PM	Our own Noble House.......I like it, I like it a lot. Quite a step up for a commoner from Erelhei-Cinlu such as myself. :smirk:
Joneleth Talshara 09-16-03, 10:29 PM	I suppose I should admit my intense dislike for drow in general now. Hmm. I wonder if there's an Anti-Drow Crusader category? :smirk:
Silmarien Aldalome 09-17-03, 04:58 AM	Originally posted by anglar Anglar steps into the dimly lit antechamber and slowly approaches the throne. He removes his hat in a sweeping motion and lowers his head, keeping his eyes at the feet of the Matron Mother of Opele Va` Esse. "May the favor of Lloth be with you for as long as you are deserving, Matron Mother." And a moment longer I silently think to myself. "There affairs of the House are in order, so far as I have ascertained. The faith of your loyal followers is strong. There is the one question, unless I errored previously, that you have no daughters. While I am capable of seeing the wisdom of this choice for now, there are others who may see it as a sign of mighty Lloth's disfavor. I offer my services in the "correction" of this state." Matron Mother Opele Va` Esse studies Anglar - and she knows his mind - for not even his thoughts can be kept from her - "His deference is nigh-appropriate but nonetheless - he dares to macheavelle - and he veils a threat" she says to herself Then she propels a thought into his mind "You stray close to the line of insolence! Yet, I will suffer your approach - and Driders await you for misguided propositions!" Then she snaps at him "Get to your point!" OK - everyone - hoy thar! Anglar's invitation at H/E foundation - I've taken it up.....but Anglar is Thread Keeper - Your Servant Silmarien Your Matron Mother Opele Va` Esse :cool:
Joneleth Talshara 09-17-03, 06:44 AM	Just in advance - just how much flaming will be permitted here? :smirk:
Yipwyg the Mighty 09-17-03, 10:03 AM	Ilmryn had just returned from his Chwiakrell, and was proud of himself. He had killed the perpetrator of the rumour of his traitounousness, and his subject had been sacrificed for betraying his matron mother. He had but a few more tests to prove himself to Lolth, and Vhaerun would still have a great leader in his church. He walked silently into his house, and heard the Matron Mother speaking. He decided to attend the local ampitheater today to watch a sacrifice. He had little to do here.
anglar 09-17-03, 06:26 PM	Originally posted by Silmarien Aldalome Matron Mother Opele Va` Esse studies Anglar - and she knows his mind - for not even his thoughts can be kept from her - "His deference is nigh-appropriate but nonetheless - he dares to macheavelle - and he veils a threat" she says to herself Then she propels a thought into his mind "You stray close to the line of insolence! Yet, I will suffer your approach - and Driders await you for misguided propositions!" Then she snaps at him "Get to your point!" OK - everyone - hoy thar! Anglar's invitation at H/E foundation - I've taken it up.....but Anglar is Thread Keeper - Your Servant Silmarien Your Matron Mother Opele Va` Esse :cool: "My mind and heart have been known to Lloth for a very long time Matron Mother. What would you expect from me, that I desire Lloth show mercy on you for a moment longer than She deems necessary? I believe not. I am Weapon Master of Opele Va` Esse, and as such I am sworn to defend this House agaist all threats. While I can see that having no heiresses also means that no threats from within can exist, it only icreases the threats from without. To be blount, I am your servant. I await your answer, Matron Mother." Anglar slowly backs away until Matron Mother of Opele Va` Esse's feet are no longer visible and turns to exit the antechamber. At the door, Anglar stops, clicking the heels of his boots against the cold stone. Never taking his gaze from the doors before him, "About that Drider comment, I don't believe Lloth would grant it. Making me a Drider would turn me into nothing more than a mindless beast, which would release me from my emotional trappings. It would be as good as death. Death would be both a release and a gift, and we both know that Lloth rarely releases her prisoners or gives gifts." He bursts the doors open and quickly leaves the antechamber. Just to make things clear, Anglar has basically propositioned the Matron Mother to be her next consort. The major social faux pas of this is that it is almost always the Matron Mother who informs her next consort of his position, but Anglar doesn't play that way. Sometimes it's a good thing to be the object of torment for a diety.
Gellion 09-17-03, 06:46 PM	Originally posted by Joneleth Talshara Just in advance - just how much flaming will be permitted here? :smirk: None, if you are here to flame, then leave.
anglar 09-17-03, 07:06 PM	Originally posted by Gellion None, if you are here to flame, then leave. In true Drow fashion, I would reply "about two moments less than your life has left."
Joneleth Talshara 09-17-03, 09:56 PM	Bah. You know what I was referring to. :D
anglar 09-17-03, 10:03 PM	Originally posted by Joneleth Talshara Bah. You know what I was referring to. :D You are most welcome in this House, Joneleth. My only request is that you keep posting and don't make it personal, which I have full faith that you won't. FLAME ON. But be prepared for our wrath as well. :D
Joneleth Talshara 09-17-03, 10:06 PM	You are most welcome in this House, Joneleth. My only request is that you keep posting and don't make it personal, which I have full faith that you won't. FLAME ON. But be prepared for our wrath as well. I am a rather experienced Flame Warrior. I can handle myself. As for making it personal, I must admit that I have a dislike for fanboys due to DM burnout. But, seeing as I'm not the DM here, and this is a drow thread, I'll not rant about that here. What I will address are the usual things I normally do, such as game balance, sourcebook information and the like. See Half-Elf Foundation. :D If you don't want me clogging up the works, I can refrain from criticising everything. If you want. Oh, by the way - what do you think of Thousand Broken Dreams?
anglar 09-18-03, 12:11 AM	Delicious. Save for that my only living relative is my Drow grandfather, this weapon would fit me almost as well as one designed for vampires. My wife and parents were killed by vampires, under the direction of the Drow whom my grandfather betrayed hundreds of years ago. Given my experience, I'm sure I could make the necessary save to avoid killing my grandfather.
Silmarien Aldalome 09-18-03, 12:47 AM	Originally posted by anglar "My mind and heart have been known to Lloth for a very long time Matron Mother. What would you expect from me, that I desire Lloth show mercy on you for a moment longer than She deems necessary? I believe not. I am Weapon Master of Opele Va` Esse, and as such I am sworn to defend this House agaist all threats. While I can see that having no heiresses also means that no threats from within can exist, it only icreases the threats from without. To be blount, I am your servant. I await your answer, Matron Mother." Anglar slowly backs away until Matron Mother of Opele Va` Esse's feet are no longer visible and turns to exit the antechamber. At the door, Anglar stops, clicking the heels of his boots against the cold stone. Never taking his gaze from the doors before him, "About that Drider comment, I don't believe Lloth would grant it. Making me a Drider would turn me into nothing more than a mindless beast, which would release me from my emotional trappings. It would be as good as death. Death would be both a release and a gift, and we both know that Lloth rarely releases her prisoners or gives gifts." He bursts the doors open and quickly leaves the antechamber.[/I] Just to make things clear, Anglar has basically propositioned the Matron Mother to be her next consort. The major social faux pas of this is that it is almost always the Matron Mother who informs her next consort of his position, but Anglar doesn't play that way. Sometimes it's a good thing to be the object of torment for a diety. .....The Matron Mother.....stills all thought - she weighs the costs and benefits - in cold calculated thought - of suffering this insult from the Male - how DARE he - she fumes silently - and a thousand methods of burning flesh and torturing mind come to her. "First I shall bind him and drill his mind with Symbols of Pain, Then I shall make him stare into Lloth's eyes - while I burn his body with fires. Then, for his presumption - I shall set him to 1000 days in servitude to the Wizards - no greater shame for a Sword Master than to mop the floors of the lowly prestidigitators....." And so she goes on - and on - but in one tiny corner of her mind's eye - she acknowledges that House Opele Va` Esse's does have no heirs - no female children......... Our House must strengthen - she muses. But first - matters of Lore must be attended to. Let us see what he does next! The Half-Elves have developed Weaveless Casting - they have an advantage over the Drow. We have only just developed the equivalent of High Elven Magic - and can cast Dark Mythals - But - these can be extingquished by Weaveless Casters. We must best the Half-Elves and the Elves with.....Evil....Lore....
anglar 09-18-03, 01:23 AM	I fairly much go for the FR story on how the Drow came to be. This is due mostly to the fact that I play in he Realms. I was wondering if anyone knows of and/or goes by a different story.
Silmarien Aldalome 09-18-03, 01:36 AM	Originally posted by anglar I fairly much go for the FR story on how the Drow came to be. This is due mostly to the fact that I play in he Realms. I was wondering if anyone knows of and/or goes by a different story. I have a hotch-potch of Faerunian lore + stuff from V1 D&D + Salvatore stuff. We gotta half-drow with gold eyes (I adapted from the "violet" eyes thing - which was a splash of blue + drow red. Gold being splash brown + red). All outside of "canon". I gotta faction of Drow who are non-standard-Evil - "redemption" theme. We have Dark Mythals (which breach Faerun boundaries too). And a deadlock between HEM & DEM (Dark Elven Magic) - it's a 10,000 years post RotA - and a new Age - with Karsus-Like magnitude of forces. All the characters in the campaign have lineage that throw back to old-heroes. It's sub-epic level (at this stage). Sil
Zardnaar 09-18-03, 03:13 AM	Originally posted by anglar I fairly much go for the FR story on how the Drow came to be. This is due mostly to the fact that I play in he Realms. I was wondering if anyone knows of and/or goes by a different story. In my world the Drow/Elf split was influenced by the humans. The evil elves wanted to wipe them out where the other elves were happy to live and let live. Elves started raiding humans, humans raid elves. Other elves blame each other = civil war. the Drow get corrupted along the way and end up banished. I also ran my PCs through the City of the Spider Queen- after adding several encounters as the PC's were rather min/maxed and had a 5 member party. They hate Drow now. Lots of ambushing, sneak atttacks, and hit and fade attacks. Often the Drow would see them with superior darkvision, get a surprise round and fire off missile fire/spells, and either wait around for a round or flee on their initiative. The Drow didn't stick around for round 2 and 3 of combat. I'm also using the Book of Vile Darkness where Drow are concerned. Lolth is the ony Drow deity-non Lolth clerics follow demon lords, elemental lord or (very rare) non Drow gods. They also very rarly raid the surface and when they do its usually against elves. They divide themselves along clan lines with each clan having a responsability(food,security,raiding,rul ership,craft, etc) to the Drow city (singular, theres only 1 Drow city IMC with a few Drow posts and smaller settlements). There little inter clan warfare. The Drow do little work as theres a silver mine nearby where slaves work. The poorest Drow is about the same as a WELL OFF SURFACE MERCHANT.
Joneleth Talshara 09-18-03, 08:12 AM	Sil - again? Really, you seem incredibly determined to spread your house rules around. :D Anglar - Glad you like it. Any comments on the backstory / mechanics? Zardnaar - Official FR has the humans as cave-dwelling primitives barely capable of cognition around the time of the Crown Wars / Descent of the Drow. However, it's your game. Merely providing information.
Yipwyg the Mighty 09-18-03, 09:41 AM	NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!! My current drow character was just turned into a drider! A DRIDER!!! He can never bring superiority and favour upon his house ever now! *goes and weeps in a corner* Oh well, at least Dragon has an article on driders this month.
Joneleth Talshara 09-18-03, 10:06 AM	You could always get an Elven High Mage to restore... oh, never mind.
anglar 09-18-03, 05:31 PM	I have a human associate who should be more than capable of reversing the process. Now if you want to say that humans can't cast Elven High Magic, I'd respond that Elminster has participated in EHM rituals and he is no Elf. If you want to say that he's different because he's a Chosen of Mystra, then I'd say precisely. :D
Yipwyg the Mighty 09-18-03, 06:15 PM	1. Why would elven high mages help someone who's chaotic evil? 2. Actually, I made a drow who eventually became an elven high mage(a stereotypical good drow, I know)... After being: A)Nearly crucified B)Had a commoner's spear driven through his gut... at low levels. C)WAS burned at the stake D)Constantly had fruit and rocks thrown at him E)Almost lynched(It was our 1st adventure... rescue me) F)etc... Eventually they accepted him, but... you know. 3. I have a new goal for him. He's gone insane now, so he'll A)Kill the priestesses of Lolth B)Destroy the matriarchy, making males equal C)Kill Lolth 4.Eh, I've made a replacement already: A drow enchanter who's charming his matron mother and phantasmally killing his enemies... I'll see how it works out.
anglar 09-18-03, 06:24 PM	The guy I'm talking about is human and a BIG fan of Helms of Opposite Alignment. He's used two of them on former Drow priestesses that now take care of his two homes, one outside of Silverymoon, the he calls Castle Puronious (Pure-roe-ne-us).
Silmarien Aldalome 09-18-03, 10:47 PM	Originally posted by anglar I have a human associate who should be more than capable of reversing the process. Now if you want to say that humans can't cast Elven High Magic, I'd respond that Elminster has participated in EHM rituals and he is no Elf. If you want to say that he's different because he's a Chosen of Mystra, then I'd say precisely. :D GO DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm of the same leanings - to the Drider - All things are reversible in D&D Cheers Sil
anglar 09-18-03, 10:50 PM	I live only to serve you, Matron Mother.
Zardnaar 09-19-03, 12:00 AM	Originally posted by Joneleth Talshara Sil - again? Really, you seem incredibly determined to spread your house rules around. :D Anglar - Glad you like it. Any comments on the backstory / mechanics? Zardnaar - Official FR has the humans as cave-dwelling primitives barely capable of cognition around the time of the Crown Wars / Descent of the Drow. However, it's your game. Merely providing information. We don't play FR though. I base my Drow on the old Fiend Folio, elements of FR, and a little from Titan- the Fighting Fantasy world if you ever read those books as a kid. FR Drow are slightly different than other worlds.
Silmarien Aldalome 09-19-03, 12:07 AM	Originally posted by anglar I live only to serve you, Matron Mother. to herself - "presumption - again!" Her face flushes to the hot red colour of rage and shame infused together. The Matron Mother has to suppress an impulse to boil the Drow alive in hot oil. To Anglar: "Service is yours to bestow by your choice then!" she snaps sarcastically to Anglar. "I shall be sure to refer you to the Council - where you can declare your ideas to all the Ruling Houses!"
anglar 09-19-03, 12:18 AM	To Matron Mother Va` Esse, "This ain't my first rodeo." Ooc: I knew that line would get you. I'm only 1/4 Drow. And you have not begun to see insolence or presumption. You ain't come to your bedchamber and found me waiting IN YOUR BED yet, a la James Bond in "A View to a Kill". Joneleth - I liked your back story for the artifact very much. I can identify very much with a PC pouring his soul into a weapon of vengeance.
Joneleth Talshara 09-19-03, 08:36 AM	Actually, Elminster and one of the Seven Sisters (Can't remember which one) have participated in High Magic rituals before, but never as the primary caster. They were tertiary casters (see Cormanthyr for definition), supplying life-force (HP) and contributing some shape to the finished matrix, but having no control over the weaving or grand purpose. Any magically talented person can be included in such a manner. (See Cormanthyr again.) However, it was the High Magi who established the ritual circle and the direct link into the Weave, and who did the actual weaving. Thus, it's hardly anything special that Elminster can participate in High Magic. There were a few humans and half-elves contributing power to the Mythal of Myth Drannor, in fact. You don't have to be a Chosen of Mystra to be a power battery for the High Mages. As for epic magic - you know my stance, but it's your game, and I won't comment. Ref: Cormanthyr, The Fall of Myth Drannor, Elminster in Myth Drannor As for Thousand Broken Dreams - Thanks. Zardnaar - I see. Homebrew world?
kedi 09-19-03, 09:33 AM	i know it, but it sounds nonsense that a human to cast elven spells, because they must be elven to cast it, check it with RoF, not that i dont belive yer source, i just think that ed should stop on giving his characters great powers
Joneleth Talshara 09-19-03, 09:35 AM	He wasn't casting elven spells. The High Mages were doing everything themselves. All he did was supply power for them to use, and imprinted a couple minor powers in the Mythal. In short, he was the battery, not the light bulb. And really - it's me. Elven Defender Extraordinaire. Why would I support non-elven use of High Magic? :D
kedi 09-19-03, 09:44 AM	not that i blame you, i blame ed :smirk:
Joneleth Talshara 09-19-03, 09:55 AM	Well, that's where the term Elmunchkin came from, right? OT - The FR NPCs are weak. Stat-wise, a properly min-maxed Level 20 character can kill them all effortlessly. Hmm.
Zardnaar 09-19-03, 05:10 PM	Originally posted by Joneleth Talshara Actually, Elminster and one of the Seven Sisters (Can't remember which one) have participated in High Magic rituals before, but never as the primary caster. They were tertiary casters (see Cormanthyr for definition), supplying life-force (HP) and contributing some shape to the finished matrix, but having no control over the weaving or grand purpose. Any magically talented person can be included in such a manner. (See Cormanthyr again.) However, it was the High Magi who established the ritual circle and the direct link into the Weave, and who did the actual weaving. Thus, it's hardly anything special that Elminster can participate in High Magic. There were a few humans and half-elves contributing power to the Mythal of Myth Drannor, in fact. You don't have to be a Chosen of Mystra to be a power battery for the High Mages. As for epic magic - you know my stance, but it's your game, and I won't comment. Ref: Cormanthyr, The Fall of Myth Drannor, Elminster in Myth Drannor As for Thousand Broken Dreams - Thanks. Zardnaar - I see. Homebrew world? Yep. My PCs are never quite sure what the Drow will be in my campaigns. Lolth worshiping surface raiders or demon worshiping Sith types or something else. My Drow are never good alighned (apart from renegades). I like FR and often DM it or steal elements from it since I have several hundred dollars of FR books. May as well use them if I own them. I do however dislike the Drow return to the surface. To me the Drow should be rare and mysterious, one of the ultimate evils. In one of the FR books it says something along the lines of " The number of good and neutral aligned Drow on the surface will expand rapidly in the coming years with the influence of Elistraee and the weakening of the Lolth's influence on the surface Drow" not my personal preferance and I can see why some people get upset at FR or hate Drow with a passion.
anglar 09-19-03, 05:19 PM	Joneleth - I"m familar with the sources you've named and conceed your points. I've always looked at the Chosen as being able to perform any type of magic that draws upon the Weave because they are living extensions of the Weave, but that's my view. IIRC, you're not a fan of the shadow weave. Personally, I think it's just the backlash of the new Mystra being NG and not LN. What I don't accept at all is that it has existed for thousands of years and only ever became slightly exposed just in time for the release of 3ed. I'd be much more open to it if they said it was something Shar had been working on and created soon after the Avatar series.
Silmarien Aldalome 09-19-03, 10:42 PM	Originally posted by Joneleth Talshara Actually, Elminster and one of the Seven Sisters (Can't remember which one) have participated in High Magic rituals before, but never as the primary caster. They were tertiary casters (see Cormanthyr for definition), supplying life-force (HP) and contributing some shape to the finished matrix, but having no control over the weaving or grand purpose. Any magically talented person can be included in such a manner. (See Cormanthyr again.) However, it was the High Magi who established the ritual circle and the direct link into the Weave, and who did the actual weaving. Thus, it's hardly anything special that Elminster can participate in High Magic. There were a few humans and half-elves contributing power to the Mythal of Myth Drannor, in fact. You don't have to be a Chosen of Mystra to be a power battery for the High Mages. As for epic magic - you know my stance, but it's your game, and I won't comment. Ref: Cormanthyr, The Fall of Myth Drannor, Elminster in Myth Drannor As for Thousand Broken Dreams - Thanks. Zardnaar - I see. Homebrew world? Speaks to the compatibility[/b] of Elminster and Co with HEM. The [i]restraint you spoke to about Being Tertiary Caster may be mechanical - or 'tweakable' - or may be 'evolvable'. While I :love: elves, and :love: Elven Magic - I remain open to evolution in the concept of HEM and future variants of it. In particular - Drow Variants - by way of discussing it at the Drow Foundation. I've suggested that "collective vengeance" "collective rage" and "collective hate" could provide a foundation for Drow "Dark Mythal Casting". As possible substitutes for the "Attunement" metaphor of HEM. I wonder what would happen if a Drow read the Nether Scrolls..... Silmarien
anglar 09-19-03, 10:53 PM	I see the key to Drow ever casting EHM as Qilue. She's a Drow that is the Chosen of not only Mystra but also Ellistrae. This gives her direct ties to both things that are vital for the outcome that we are searching for. Drow are already known to cast ritualistic magic (see Drizzt series on day of his birth). Joneleth, I know you're not crazy about Epic magic, but it does exist as an option now. If you're going to include EHM, then , IMO, you also need to include the rest of Epic magic. I would see any traditional (i.e. evil) Drow High Magic rituals involving the sacrifices, some of the faithful and others not.
Silmarien Aldalome 09-20-03, 12:44 AM	Originally posted by anglar I see the key to Drow ever casting EHM as Qilue. She's a Drow that is the Chosen of not only Mystra but also Ellistrae. This gives her direct ties to both things that are vital for the outcome that we are searching for. Drow are already known to cast ritualistic magic (see Drizzt series on day of his birth). Joneleth, I know you're not crazy about Epic magic, but it does exist as an option now. If you're going to include EHM, then , IMO, you also need to include the rest of Epic magic. I would see any traditional (i.e. evil) Drow High Magic rituals involving the sacrifices, some of the faithful and others not. Nicely put - To the first paragraph: yes - and the ritualistic magic had Collective/Plural-focus too - and fuelled by the Power of Birth. I wonder if the ritual contributed towards making Drizzt of Good alignment. Cormanthyr talks about "attunement" in HEM - but interestingly, a part of the Preparatory Rituals is "defensive" in being specifically dedicated to "breaches in trust". That is, there is this duality to the magic: "trust and attunement" on the one hand, with "Pre-Prepared Defences to Expel the Rogue" on the other. Trust+("Readied-but-not-active" Suspicion) all Interwoven. Add to that a "common enemy" to cause the Drow to "align" plus the knowledge of the Qilue precedent - I think we are getting somewhere. Interestingly, Cormanthyr says that Drow are not "allowed" or "cannot" do HEM - but, Qilue begs us to ask a question about "exception". To the second Paragraph - to Anglar+Joneleth: interestingly, Joneleth lead a discussion at Forgotten Realms that recognised Epic Level magic as blurring the boundaries between ..... *cracks* Sil-Marsha: ....between Silver and Raven hair. With *pouts* Viggo Mortenson liking Raven hair - I'm so confused. What colour will I wear in my hair to the prom? Davey likes Silver, Viggo raven. It's all so hard!! It's all your fault Jan! Jan-Marien2: rrreeahhhh *trips on chair as leaves room* *straightens up, and smoothes out robes*
Gellion 09-20-03, 01:10 AM	Originally posted by anglar Joneleth, I know you're not crazy about Epic magic, but it does exist as an option now. If you're going to include EHM, then , IMO, you also need to include the rest of Epic magic. I would see any traditional (i.e. evil) Drow High Magic rituals involving the sacrifices, some of the faithful and others not. And if you want to see what Human epic level magic should be like, check out the PrC that Sil made. It should be on the ninth page of the Human Foundation.:)
anglar 09-20-03, 01:21 AM	You could part your hair down the middle and accessorize half silver and the other half raven. Just make sure you keep Davey to the silver side and Viggo on the raven side. BTW, could you tell me the name of the thread so that I can check it out? The Drizzt ritual was about this deal that all third born sons were sacrificed to Lloth at the time of their births. In case you're not familar, the 2nd son of House D'Urrden killed the first son during a raid on another house, allowing the house to get into the top 8 houses. Lloth accepted his death in place of Drizzt's, and there you go. The only other 3rd son that I know of still somehow surviving is the ever elusive Jarlaxle Baenre. I believe the big purpose of the ritual is to keep the noble male population down.
Zardnaar 09-20-03, 02:30 AM	Originally posted by anglar You could part your hair down the middle and accessorize half silver and the other half raven. Just make sure you keep Davey to the silver side and Viggo on the raven side. BTW, could you tell me the name of the thread so that I can check it out? The Drizzt ritual was about this deal that all third born sons were sacrificed to Lloth at the time of their births. In case you're not familar, the 2nd son of House D'Urrden killed the first son during a raid on another house, allowing the house to get into the top 8 houses. Lloth accepted his death in place of Drizzt's, and there you go. The only other 3rd son that I know of still somehow surviving is the ever elusive Jarlaxle Baenre. I believe the big purpose of the ritual is to keep the noble male population down. How commen is this ritual though. Outside of homeland I've never seen it. Is it only in Menzoberanzan or only in special circumstances ie Malice wanting more power.
anglar 09-20-03, 02:34 AM	I think it's specific to Menzo. I know she was wanting some extra emph for the raid, but I believe it's traditional for all the families in Menzo. PS: How about $10 US per month for your sig space? PPS: Going home now. Have a nice weekend. BTW, I've changed the posting time on my page here to reflect what time it is down there for you Aussies & Zealanders. You guys have a nice beginning to a night.
Silmarien Aldalome 09-20-03, 02:45 AM	Originally posted by Zardnaar How commen is this ritual though. Outside of homeland I've never seen it. Is it only in Menzoberanzan or only in special circumstances ie Malice wanting more power. *scratches head* I'm not sure that "very common" makes the argument stronger. HEM/EHM isn't that common either - especially "nowadays" *cracks* Does anyone have a Lembas Recipe? *pulls it together* From memory, it was a rare-ish ritual - mostly because it required a birth, and favour with Llolth, and that the birth had to align with political events at Menzoberanzan. It was a risky ritual. In this sense, it shares common ground with other kinds of Elven magic. Given the common origin of Drow/Elves - it seems their 'flesh'/being leans towards amazing kinds of magic. Seems like Drow casters (in special circumstances) can operate in tandem/group. Cheers Sil
Joneleth Talshara 09-20-03, 03:33 AM	Drow are already known to cast ritualistic magic (see Drizzt series on day of his birth). So can the Red Wizards of Thay, the Rashemani witches, the Halruaans and etc, etc, etc. Circle casting is not High Magic. It simply allows for more power to be drawn out of the Weave. High Magic draws no power out of the Weave. It reweaves the Weave to produce an effect - thus far, an ability unique to the High Mages alone. Joneleth, I know you're not crazy about Epic magic, but it does exist as an option now. If you're going to include EHM, then , IMO, you also need to include the rest of Epic magic. I would see any traditional (i.e. evil) Drow High Magic rituals involving the sacrifices, some of the faithful and others not. I simply adhere to Mystra's law. Anyone who could use greater magic in 2E can use epic magic in 3E. If you couldn't do it before, you can't do it now. Only logical. Thus, the Chosen of Mystra can do it, the Elves can do it, and Larloch can do it. Period. To the second Paragraph - to Anglar+Joneleth: interestingly, Joneleth lead a discussion at Forgotten Realms that recognised Epic Level magic as blurring the boundaries between ..... You will recall that the consensus reached was that epic magic obeyed the 2E laws set down by Mystra. The [i]restraint you spoke to about Being Tertiary Caster may be mechanical - or 'tweakable' - or may be 'evolvable'. No. The rules are rather explicit. High Mages, and only High Mages, may lead the casting, as only High Mages can reweave the Weave. Anyone who is not an Elven High Mage cannot do this, and thus cannot be a primary caster. Seems like Drow casters (in special circumstances) can operate in tandem/group. So can any other mage on Faerun. It's not a unique ability. Again, the point of High Magic is not circle casting, but the reweaving.
Silmarien Aldalome 09-20-03, 08:01 PM	*senses the Red Flames of War* *Turns to Joneleth* *SMILES - warmly* Says "ain't no big deal to me - you is what you is". Then *cheekily says* "the Drow haven't yet read the Nether Scrolls" and "tweaking is the Mother of Invention - for re-working Convention". and "How do you know that Ritual Magic a-la Menzoberanzan doesn't "re-weave the weave" where does it say it does not - I believe the 'mechanics' of the magic are quite mysterious and unexplored. Occam's Razor aside - ;) I recall that "Qilue. She's a Drow that is the Chosen of not only Mystra but also Ellistrae". So how do you speak to the fact that while the Elven sourcebook materials say explicitly that "Drow cannot cast HEM/EHM" yet, we have one Drow who is a Chosen of Mystra? However - as always Joneleth - you're points are well-noted - I hear what you have said. You do make sense and have a point that is founded on conventional-lore. As always, you evidence sound knowledge of Lore. And I add - I think we are exploring possibilities too though - and some of the other posters make some great points as well - don't you think? *cracks* Sil-Viggo-Mortensen-ian: I don't care about all that stuff - I just want to go out on a date with Marsha! Sil-Marsha: VIGGO! I like Davey Jones better - sorry - swooshes hair *pouts* Sil-Viggo-Mortensen-ian: Ha?!? Cheers Sil
Joneleth Talshara 09-20-03, 09:57 PM	"the Drow haven't yet read the Nether Scrolls" and "tweaking is the Mother of Invention - for re-working Convention". and "How do you know that Ritual Magic a-la Menzoberanzan doesn't "re-weave the weave" where does it say it does not - I believe the 'mechanics' of the magic are quite mysterious and unexplored. Occam's Razor aside - Because it's explicitly stated that High Magic is the only form of magic that can do that. I recall that "Qilue. She's a Drow that is the Chosen of not only Mystra but also Ellistrae". So how do you speak to the fact that while the Elven sourcebook materials say explicitly that "Drow cannot cast HEM/EHM" yet, we have one Drow who is a Chosen of Mystra? Qilue is a human soul in a drow body. And the Chosen of Mystra cannot cast High Magic, so the point is moot.
Dipree Xarann 09-21-03, 02:18 PM	*sits back and watches the debate between Joneleth & the Matron Mother* This should be interesting. :smirk:
Yipwyg the Mighty 09-21-03, 04:55 PM	Originally posted by Dipree Xarann *sits back and watches the debate between Joneleth & the Matron Mother* This should be interesting. :smirk: Want some popcorn before the show?
anglar 09-22-03, 05:36 PM	Let's get ready to debaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaate! Joneleth, I see that you are basing your stance from 2ed. rescources. While I still use many 2E sources, I have some to accept 3ed. as the contiuation of the path. While others may not be able to cast EHM per se, I contend that others can duplicate the effects via others ways. No matter what you call a 40 foot instantaneous blast of fire, it's still a fireball. Do you agree that other can do the same things as EHM even if it isn't eaxactly EHM?
Joneleth Talshara 09-22-03, 10:19 PM	Joneleth, I see that you are basing your stance from 2ed. rescources. While I still use many 2E sources, I have some to accept 3ed. as the contiuation of the path. While others may not be able to cast EHM per se, I contend that others can duplicate the effects via others ways. No matter what you call a 40 foot instantaneous blast of fire, it's still a fireball. Do you agree that other can do the same things as EHM even if it isn't eaxactly EHM? While the mechanics of high magic have been converted to the epic magic system in 3E, the background information on it stands, as it has not been updated. As such, a mega-fireball is a mega-fireball by anyone's standards, but Uaul'Selu'Keryth is still High Magic only.
anglar 09-22-03, 10:36 PM	If a bunch of Red Wizards who are capable of casting epic magic cast a spell that duplicates the effects of Uaul'Selu'Keryth , isn't that basically the same thing without being exactly the same? It's not EHM, but what's the difference if the end result is the same?
Joneleth Talshara 09-22-03, 10:37 PM	Simply because they can't. Epic magic is not freely available in Faerun. I am extremely sick of debating this, but here it is again, in a nutshell. Mystra's Ban = No magic above 9th level in scope and effect to anyone except the Chosen, the Elves and special cases. (Cormanthyr, Netheril, Secrets of the Magister, 2E FRCS, etc, etc...) Mystra's Ban has not been contradicted in any official FR book. There has been no outright statement allowing the use of greater magic. At most, I'd allow the use of epic magic that duplicated the effects possible with metamagicked 1-9th level spells to the Red Wizards in question, not Uaul'Selu'Keryth, Mavin's Worldweave or Karsus' Avatar. You cannot ignore 2E. As WotC's canon policy states, until explicitly contradicted, 2E stands as full canon.
anglar 09-22-03, 11:58 PM	Originally posted by Joneleth Talshara Mystra's Ban = No magic above 9th level in scope and effect to anyone except the Chosen, the Elves and special cases. You cannot ignore 2E. As WotC's canon policy states, until explicitly contradicted, 2E stands as full canon. By what you've said, Mystra wouldn't even allow a meta-magicked spell that took a slot higher than 9th because it's slot is higher than 9th. I especially like that you mentioned "special cases." I'd like to point out the Halaster and Zass Tam aren't Chosen of Mystra, yet the are very epic spell casters. I truly hope your world doesn't come crashing down when/if they release a FRCS 3.5. Those special cases are any body else who makes it to epic levels and chooses to take Epic Spellcasting. The last time Mystra denied anyone access to the Weave she was threatened by EVERY OTHER DIETY with the removal of favor from all of her whorshippers. That means no crops, no music, no anything that wasn't specifically under her domain per "The Prince of Lies," something that's just as canon as "Evermeet." You do know that the current Mystra is not the one who set the rules you're acting under? She was once a mortal who ascended at Ao's urging along with Cyric. The D&D world, and all its settings, changed with 3ed. With anything above 20th level now called "Epic," epic spellcasting amongst PCs is a viable option in Faerun. Keep living in your Egyptian river if you want.
Joneleth Talshara 09-23-03, 12:02 AM	By what you've said, Mystra wouldn't even allow a meta-magicked spell that took a slot higher than 9th because it's slot is higher than 9th. I especially like that you mentioned "special cases." I'd like to point out the Halaster and Zass Tam aren't Chosen of Mystra, yet the are very epic spell casters. I truly hope your world doesn't come crashing down when/if they release a FRCS 3.5. By all means, she'll allow a metamagicked 9th level spell, because it's still a 9th level spell. It can only do what a 9th level spell can do, merely better. Mystra does not care about pumped-up low-level spells. The intent of the Ban was to prevent greater effects - effects that only 10th+ level spells can achieve, not 9th level spells - from getting into the wrong hands. Consider the fact that it would be utterly illogical for Mystra to allow epic magic to be used freely, and still enforce her ban over 10th-12th level spells, which is still active in 3E? (FRCS)
Joneleth Talshara 09-23-03, 12:11 AM	Thus, I have come to the conclusion that epic magic, while available, is severely limited - to the point where only casters who were capable of greater magic in 2E can cast epic spells that are capable of something more than a hopped up 1-9th level spell. The writeup of the Simbul and the Ice Queen in the Epic Level Handbook supports this - neither of them have any spell effect that could not have been created with a 9th level spell and liberal application of metamagic. As for Halaster and Szass Tam, they do not have the Epic Spellcasting feat. The Elven High Magi do, according to Races of Faerun.
anglar 09-23-03, 01:14 AM	The FRCS was printed before the ELH. If they make a 3.5 FRCS, I believe that all NPCs eligible for epic spellcasting will have it. That being said, having looked at the DCs for most of the epic spells int the ELH, I don't really understand them. Most of the ones with a reasonable DC (<60) don't do anything all that special. Just curious, have you ever tried to figure out what it'd take to actually cast Vengeful Gaze of the Gods solo. I think you'd have to be somewhere in the 300 levels. Any PC at that level, IMO, would be a god a lot earlier.
Joneleth Talshara 09-23-03, 03:27 AM	A Level 40 mage will have a base Spellcraft of +43. Add in Intelligence for another +30 at the very least. Several epic items of +30 Spellcraft... Then again, it is rather hard to hit 419. Eh. Probably meant for use of gods, not mortals.
Joneleth Talshara 09-23-03, 04:05 AM	In any case, epic magic. Do you agree with my conclusion?
Silmarien Aldalome 09-23-03, 09:59 AM	Anglar - You're Thread Keeper Here - set the tone. So - I look to you for guidance on this debate - I will post once more only - and then await your response. Shut me/it/the debate down if you don't want it here at the foundation. I'm concerned that the flames are too high. The Goodwill of the Foundation is my first concern - but you have invited a response - so I'll give it a go. 1. Mystra's ban is a functional ban not a function of the physical constraints of Mystra's weave. As Anglar and Joneleth have both indicated, 'special cases' exist that by-pass the Ban. Jonaleth, how do you handle Anglar's noting of Chosen's Exceptions to the Ban? :) Supporting Evidence: Mystra's Recovering Weave will recover to the full strength of the Mystryl's Weave. Stated explicitly in Cormanthyr. The Weave's "integrity" remains capable of supporting 10+ spell level energy. :) 2. Sourcebooks frequently contravene story-publications. Sourcebooks are interpretations of Faerunian Lore as per narratives - and sourcebooks have many errors in them. :) 3. Silverfire is trans-9th level magic. It is evidence that identifies problems with a simple unitary interpretation of Mystra's Ban. At worst, Mystra's Ban is contextual, at best Mystra's Ban is fully reversible - by an act of Divine Will - or by another as yet unrevealed method. :) 4. That source book publications produce options for 9th+ level spellcasting (Epic Level Magic) albeit with slightly difference semantic structure - is suggestive. :) 5. The Karstone - is whole magic. Whole Magic remains as a distinct metaphysical organisation of the Weave in an existent artifact. That Shar can use this item to grant 9+ level spells to Shadow Weave users - is evidence that suggests (again) that Mystra's "Ban" is only Functional. That is, she has Choice in Granting Spell Use. :) 6. EHM from pre Karsus dates still functions in post Ban settings and can still be used in new-age settings. And - Post-Karsus Mythallar exist (See Cormanthyr for the Dragon's example). :) 7. Conclusion: Mystra's Ban is reversible[/b] by Mystra's [i]Choice. Sourcebooks too severely limit the interpretations allowable in existing lore. Several pieces of evidence are provided here to suport the contention made under 7. It is not possible to draw a conclusion about 2E materials and for those conclusions to be water tight at the same time. At best, the only 'contextual-conclusions' can be made when 2E materials are used as a foundation. Several compelling lines of evidence introduce viable alternative hypotheses to explain the same data. Knowing that trans 2E materials are in-the-making, and then deferring to 2E materials, in light of above data (1-7), limits the strength of 2E based conclusions. Also - the point about Qilue - she breaks the rules by being a Chosen in the first place. EHM is only one 9+ level function. The core idea being that this Drow cannot be integrated into Races of Faerun the way the Drow is. Certainly not into 2E's notion of "Chosen" (if such a thing exists at all). And all this is with Reincarnation issues aside - which are a whole separate area. The core idea here - explicit codification in Source Books is an incomplete representation of Faerunian Lore. All codifications are incomplete represenations of Faerunian phenomena. All Faerunian codifications and theories reach the "Bombadil Limit". 2E, Cormanthyr, MoF FRCS all have glaring errors. 2E therefore only stands as an accurate resource for some contexts - but certainly not all - Silmarien I'm happy to leave this debate behind forever - I don't care if a response comes to completely cancel the arguments made. What matters is goodwill - so enjoy your flaming - if you proceed - good luck to you. In the meantime, hi everyone - hope you've all been well. Cheers Sil
Joneleth Talshara 09-23-03, 10:09 AM	1. Mystra's ban is a functional ban not a function of the physical constraints of Mystra's weave. As Anglar and Joneleth have both indicated, 'special cases' exist that by-pass the Ban. Jonaleth, how do you handle Anglar's noting of Chosen's Exceptions to the Ban? Special exceptions do exist. The most famous example is Larloch of Netheril. However, without fail, all of these special cases have been very special. Supporting Evidence: Mystra's Recovering Weave will recover to the full strength of the Mystryl's Weave. Stated explicitly in Cormanthyr. The Weave's "integrity" remains capable of supporting 10+ spell level energy. True. 2. Sourcebooks frequently contravene story-publications. Sourcebooks are interpretations of Faerunian Lore as per narratives - and sourcebooks have many errors in them. Actually, I'd say that novels are 'interpretation', as the sourcebooks are presented as metagame fact. The fact that WotC considers sourcebooks as higher in the canon heirarchy than sourcebooks is another note. 3. Silverfire is trans-9th level magic. It is evidence that identifies problems with a simple unitary interpretation of Mystra's Ban. At worst, Mystra's Ban is contextual, at best Mystra's Ban is fully reversible - by an act of Divine Will - or by another as yet unrevealed method. Logically, if Mystra invoked the Ban, she can revoke it at will. However, we can agree that she hasn't done this yet, yes? 4. That source book publications produce options for 9th+ level spellcasting (Epic Level Magic) albeit with slightly difference semantic structure - is suggestive. I am not saying that epic magic is banned. I am saying that epic magic must still obey the 2E restrictions. For example: A human mage using epic magic should not be able to do anything that it would require a 10th+ level spell effect to accomplish. For example, he could use epic mage armor or hellball, as they are logical extensions of lower level spells. They do not do anything that a 1-9th level spell cannot do. However, he would not be able to cast Mavin's Worldweave or Karsus' Avatar, as per Mystra's Ban. An elven mage using epic magic would be similarly barred from 10-12th level spell effects, but he can use effects that are allowed only to Elven High Magic such as Uaul'Selu'Keryth or Evaliir'Enevahr, suffering the consequences for doing so if he chooses. 5. The Karstone - is whole magic. Whole Magic remains as a distinct metaphysical organisation of the Weave in an existent artifact. That Shar can use this item to grant 9+ level spells to Shadow Weave users - is evidence that suggests (again) that Mystra's "Ban" is only Functional. That is, she has Choice in Granting Spell Use. Of course she does. I never claimed otherwise. 7. Conclusion: Mystra's Ban is reversible by Mystra's Choice. Sourcebooks too severely limit the interpretations allowable in existing lore. Several pieces of evidence are provided here to suport the contention made under 7. It is not possible to draw a conclusion about 2E materials and for those conclusions to be water tight at the same time. At best, the only 'contextual-conclusions' can be made when 2E materials are used as a foundation. We're arguing the same point. Of course it's reversible. The Elves, the Chosen and the 'special cases' can all bypass it to some degree by Mystra's will. Several compelling lines of evidence introduce viable alternative hypotheses to explain the same data. Knowing that trans 2E materials are in-the-making, and then deferring to 2E materials, in light of above data (1-7), limits the strength of 2E based conclusions. Au contraire. I'm afraid it helps me. :D Also - the point about Qilue - she breaks the rules by being a Chosen in the first place. EHM is only one 9+ level function. The core idea being that this Drow cannot be integrated into Races of Faerun the way the Drow is. Certainly not into 2E's notion of "Chosen" (if such a thing exists at all). Her backstory explains it quite neatly. She's a human soul in a drow body - a human soul originally belonging to one of Mystra's seven daughters. She is Chosen, and contradicts nothing. The core idea here - explicit codification in Source Books is an incomplete representation of Faerunian Lore. All codifications are incomplete represenations of Faerunian phenomena. All Faerunian codifications and theories reach the "Bombadil Limit". 2E, Cormanthyr, MoF FRCS all have glaring errors. 2E therefore only stands as an accurate resource for some contexts - but certainly not all - See above. I'm happy to leave this debate behind forever - I don't care if a response comes to completely cancel the arguments made. I don't mind. What matters is goodwill - so enjoy your flaming - if you proceed - good luck to you. "Cry havoc, and let loose the dogs of war!"
anglar 09-23-03, 07:21 PM	As always, I bow to your wishes Matron Mother. It is somewhat difficult a teeter to balance. We are the Drow, who suffer no insults without death being the retribution, but we must maintain a degree of civility for the forum on which we converse. Hopefully, the Wizos we see how we police ourselves and offer us slightly more leniency.
Joneleth Talshara 09-23-03, 10:25 PM	Gets in the way of the debate, though... :D Rebuttal, anyone?
Gellion 09-23-03, 10:30 PM	*Walks in* We all know that in a fight Azathoth would slaughter Corellon Larethian. *Looks around and realizes he is in the wrong thread* *Walks out of thread*
Silmarien Aldalome 09-24-03, 01:48 AM	Originally posted by anglar As always, I bow to your wishes Matron Mother. It is somewhat difficult a teeter to balance. We are the Drow, who suffer no insults without death being the retribution, but we must maintain a degree of civility for the forum on which we converse. Hopefully, the Wizos we see how we police ourselves and offer us slightly more leniency. You Gorgeous thing! Silmarien: Thank you Anglar - I mirror you sensibility in civility - and Good Will..... So - in full jest (in case you're new here - Matron Mother is a psycho who is like Matron Malice in the underdark - her "voice" is constantly 'ireful' - so take the following italics as "not really real") ;) Matron-Mother: ...the reason males do not hold ascention in our halls is because they have no restraint. Male Drow are foolish beyond all redemption! One more word and I'll send you to the Driders, where you can enjoy an eternity as a pale shade against the Goddess Llolth! Greetings Gellion!! :) Jonaleth: Rebuttal? - I need to think about what I would be rebutting for. If I can't rebut in fun, I won't post a rebuttal. If it get's to 'serious' where people need to 'win' then I won't post either. At the end of the day, my 'confidence' is measured by the absence of a need to 'convince others'. It's self-acceptace that brings inner peace and there is no inner peace when trying to change someone else's point of view. At the end of the day, there really is no way to convince someone else of anything. People are what they are, and it's better to find the common shared-ground than the ground that differs. If the debate is about exploration and fun and not trumping and winning[i] I'll think about it. Else, I'm finished with worrying about it. Because there really is no [i]one answer to the debate. There are many perspectives. Cheers Silmarien
anglar 09-24-03, 02:11 AM	Anglar bows, a wicked smile of triumph streaking across his face, and backs out leaving his Matron Mother feeling self assured. LTBHTF.:devil:
Joneleth Talshara 09-24-03, 04:43 AM	Ah, you spoil all my fun. Anglar, my limitations on epic magic - obeying the old 2E law, and yet allowing it to be used. Thoughts?
anglar 09-24-03, 05:35 PM	If we are going to go "your game specific," the first thing I'd do is up the requirements in Spellcraft and the respective knowledge skill to about 35. This would make the PCs wait until level 32 before being able to take it, which, IIRC, would put them at least equal if not ahead of any printed NPC. The next important thing to remember is that, as DM, you have final say as to whether or not any attempt to create an epic spell succeeds. This allows you to curb any spells that you believe violate the ban but doesn't keep other forms of epic magic out. This let's you have your cake and eat it too.
Silmarien Aldalome 09-24-03, 08:02 PM	Yeah, DM has lots-o things to balance, and I find that they often require innovation. In terms of Drow & Epic Level magic - I'd want to make sure the party remained "optimally scared". D&D gets boring for players if it's too easy, and unpleasant if it's too hard. I personally like it when the players spoil my narrative ideas, with their cool innovations. Makes it exciting for me, cause I havta think on my feet. In terms of "a tailored campaign" (winks at Jonaleth - greetings Fellow Man) - and DEM (Dark Elven Magic - technically EDM - but I suppose I should say the "HEM" - in case you're wondering - HEM is appealing to Sil - it reminds her of seamstress work)... ;) (there was this hilarious thread at Forgotten Realms by a poster - that used HEM instead of EHM). anyhowz..... so, in the case of DEM, ;) I think it needs a Concentration Check to case (irrespective of context). Cause it takes so long to cast, and is so demanding. Perhaps more than one. If you look at Cormanthyr and all the issues in casting HEM, there are several possibilities for embedding spell-mechanics from D&D into chance of success versus failure. For example, how 'big'is the thing you're doing, how 'long' to cast, how 'many' casters are contributing, how 'aligned' are the casters. And that anything under (about) 35th level should be a no-go - and with a 50-50 chance of failure when first accessible (DC=45+ say, 4/5= 50ish - allowing for constitution bonus). I'm wondering if they would need Shar's approval - and the Karstone. And I'm also playing with the idea of Shar expanding the power of Shadow Weave by the Human Only Uber-PrC (that creates Dark Energy for Shar's Shadow Weave in non-space). Taken together, that makes using DEM a bit exciting for the player - especially if there are fun/game-play consequences for spell failure (e.g. transportation to another metaphysical realm - 'magical imprisonment'....etc). Cheers Sil
Joneleth Talshara 09-24-03, 10:04 PM	No, Anglar. I was referring to the limitations as canon. By strictest interpretation of canon, epic magic is impossible except by Mystra's explicit approval given to the character in question. My allowing some use of it, as the restrictions above show, is rather generous already.
anglar 09-25-03, 01:40 AM	That's the point. If what your players are coming up with are nothing more the meta-magicked 1-9 spells, then you (i.e. Mystra) should have no problem allowing them. What's the big difference between Hellball and The Simbul using energy substitution on four fireball spells that are set in one of her Simbul's Spell Sequencers? The SSS is can be cast as a free action (per 2E rules) which makes it more powerful even though it's only 9th level. It's the ultimate in what you want. You still have explicit control over your players cast as far as how epic the spells are, and they still get cast epic spells. It's alos why I suggested the upping of the requirements. At these levels, the PCs would have surpassed any printed NPCs. Also, remember that Azuth cast put the kabosh on anything because he has domain over the creation of new spells. He's quite aware of what has gone on in the past and can be very helpful in preventing it. On another note, what's your take on the shadow weave? I hate it. They've made it out like it's this all powerful, the Real Weave got nothing on it, kiss my butt good magic users, thing. What I hate most about it is the "story" that it's been around since just after the creation of Mystryl. How do they expect us to buy that this thing been around for thousands of years and no incarnation of Mystra ever noticed? Look! There's powerful arcane magic going on over there that has no draw what-so-ever on The Weave. I certainly don't care how that's able to happen. Right!?!? If I were going to use it, I'd say Shar made it right after the Year of Wild Magic when there was a new Mystra who had no idea of what was going on and how big The Weave was.
Silmarien Aldalome 09-25-03, 08:59 PM	Matron Mother: She looks at the banter between the males of the house - raises and eyebrow - "Zin Carla!" she muses to herself. "We must not let a Rival House discover Elven Dark Magic before us" What I hate most about it is the "story" that it's been around since just after the creation of Mystryl. How do they expect us to buy that this thing been around for thousands of years and no incarnation of Mystra ever noticed? Yeah - seems inplausible: Feels like a story adjunct made up after the fact to me by an author who got inspired after an earlier book was published. I reckon Shadow Weave energy was from Whole Magic - and then Mystra's Weave gets recharged by Raw Magic. Net gain in Power in Realmspace. *looks around* *ducks* Sil
anglar 09-26-03, 12:53 AM	shadow weave (i'll never capitalize it) - IMO, a knee-jerk rection to Mystra changing alignment to NG. All the evil spellcasters wanted their own evil magic deity. Coolness would have had Cyric (the coolest god IMO) develop the shadow weave as a counter to the Weave of, what does Cyric call Mystra again, that's right, "the *****." Elven Dark Magic - The key is simple. What better reason than this for Lloth's silence, other than she loves to test her faithful? She has gone back deep into her memory as to how Corellon gained the original EHM and is now making her own version for her faithful. The real difference is that is would be her high clerics who cast the spells, and not the male wizards. This gets us around Joneleth's canon argument because it is magic granted by a diety to her faithful. EPIC DIVINE MAGIC. Once again, 3E proves that clerics raaaaaawk! I am a genious. I'm also arrogant. WYD? WYD? WYD?
Joneleth Talshara 09-26-03, 05:38 AM	To put it bluntly... my Realms are very, very different to the current Realms. The changes I've made are too many to list on a general thread, but suffice to say that I am not using the ridiculous Shadow Weave / Shar plotline. It takes the Realms in a direction that I do not wish to employ. As for clerical magic, I'm afraid that won't work. Clerical magic is still subject to the Weave in every way. It is, in fact, more restricted than wizardly magic, because the spellcaster has to deal with both Mystra's laws and his deity's laws. See Magic of Faerun, Faiths and Pantheons and Deities and Demigods. Re epic magic, I think we're arguing more or less the same point, except that I use the canon 2E laws to fix the requirements. It ensures campaign continuity while still allowing players their new toys. For example, a circle of elven epic spellcasters could cast Uaul'Selu'Keryth and sunder the Weave, while an equal circle of Red Wizard epic spellcasters would be incapable of doing so, as Mystra's Ban forbids humans from reaching such heights of power. I find that this does not affect my epic-level gameplay at all, as not many of my players actually want to do something with epic magic that Mystra's Ban forbids, instead sticking to the 'super-boosted 9th level spell' formula. Those that do want to do strange things all play Elves, and thus it is not a problem.
Yipwyg the Mighty 09-26-03, 10:04 AM	Question:If a MALE drow becomes a vampire, does it increase or decrease his social standing? I'd think it would, but I'd rather check with the foundation before I make stuff up.
Joneleth Talshara 09-26-03, 10:48 AM	The priestesses of Lolth would kill him. Or bind him and use him as a mind-controlled slave, as it's rather easy to do that to an undead creature than a living being (rebuke undead, anyone?). After all, it would be rather idiotic for them to let him run loose. Remember that these are drow. They trust none but their mad goddess. A vampire running amok in a drow city is a threat, and all threats are eliminated with great efficiency.
anglar 09-26-03, 05:22 PM	So long as he remained "a good boy," his status would rise slightly. Being a vampire is a status symbol to some Drow.
anglar 09-26-03, 05:39 PM	Joneleth - Mystra is forbidden to ban another diety from the Weave after the debacle with Cyric in "Prince of Lies." To do so would cause all of her followers to suffer the removal of the favor of every domain of all the other greater deities. Got to love those loopholes of being a deity. I am a genious. I am arrogant. WYD?
Silmarien Aldalome 09-26-03, 08:47 PM	Jonaleth - it was great to hear a bit about your campaign. Sounds like the players would have lots of fun without feeling trapped by too many limits. I am sure they appreciate you as DM the more so for the encouragement to develop into powerful competent players through your very interesting interpretation of rules. Originally posted by anglar Joneleth - Mystra is forbidden to ban another diety from the Weave after the debacle with Cyric in "Prince of Lies." To do so would cause all of her followers to suffer the removal of the favor of every domain of all the other greater deities. Got to love those loopholes of being a deity. I am a genious. I am arrogant. WYD? Truthfully - Jonaleth - I use rules wherever they are sensible, and for most game contexts. While recognising rule-limits. Sometimes my players point out some very interesting problems with rules, or interpretations I hadn't thought of. In terms of EDM, I like the Deity-Cleric approach - would make an interesting narrative. It's all in how the DM casts the story. Cheers Sil
Joneleth Talshara 09-26-03, 09:06 PM	Anglar, what does Mystra banning Cyric have anything to do with epic magic? It is completely irrelevant. Powers are a whole other ball game. Mystra can ban a cleric from the Weave just as easily as anyone else, and as clerics draw their power through the Weave like anyone else, they are subject to it's inherent restrictions. And Sil, it's rather obvious when a player decides to play lawyer. The intent of the rule in question is usually extremely easy to deduce, and thus the munchkin can be shot down with little effort. As for drow magic, it's house rules. Period. There is no way to twist existing canon into allowing it.
anglar 09-26-03, 10:43 PM	Clerics get their spells granted by their gods, who are the one who are actually tapping the Weave. Because Mystra was overstepping her bounds by seeing to things that are not directly involved in her domains and battling Cyric. The only way Mystra can interfere would be if the spell would be a danger to the Weave. So, unless the threatened the Weave, Mystra is powerless to do anything about it lest her followers suffer her inteference.
Joneleth Talshara 09-26-03, 10:46 PM	Magic of Faerun, Page 8 ...While all magic is accessed through the Weave, which is maintained by a deity, this does not make all magic divine magic... A cleric taps the Weave just as much as a wizard does. His god just grants him the knowledge of spells. The power comes from the Weave.
anglar 09-26-03, 10:53 PM	Your quote just proves that a wizard or sorcerer doesn't have to worship Mystra or Azuth to be able to cast spells. In the book, even Mystra did not stop Cyric from granting spells to his faithful. Unless it directly is a danger to the Weave Mystra cannot interfere with spells cast by clerics of another diety. To do so is to interfere with that diety's domain. If clerics of Lathander want to develop a spell that would make an undead back into a mortal, Mystra can't interfere unless it endangers the Weave. Clerics are mortal extensions of their gods. Stopping them from casting spells is equal to interfering with another diety's domain.
Joneleth Talshara 09-27-03, 04:05 AM	Sorry. The Weave is the source of all power in Faerun. This is emphasized again and again in all FR sourcebooks. In fact, MoF and the FRCS contain references to Mystra blocking mages and clerics who get out of line. This is a direct contradiction to your theory. Aside from published evidence, it does not hold up under logical analysis. If gods cannot be barred, and clerics draw power only from gods, why haven't the priests of some evil god or other cast Uaul'Selu'Keryth and destroyed Faerun? Or perhaps, since there is nothing stopping them, cast Karsus' avatar and destroyed Mystra? Hey, an evil god could do that themselves, because Mystra can't stop them! Pfft.
Silmarien Aldalome 09-27-03, 08:23 PM	Sil-Seven-of-Nine-ian: Magic of Faerun is flawed. Resistance is futile. ;) Because Originally posted by anglar Clerics get their spells granted by their gods, who are the one who are actually tapping the Weave. Because Mystra was overstepping her bounds by seeing to things that are not directly involved in her domains and battling Cyric. The only way Mystra can interfere would be if the spell would be a danger to the Weave. So, unless the threatened the Weave, Mystra is powerless to do anything about it lest her followers suffer her inteference. MoF contradicts the narrative direction of plot development, as just cited. Resistance is Futile ;)
Joneleth Talshara 09-27-03, 09:05 PM	You have proven nothing. If you're going to get involved in this one, provide some useful evidence, not merely one-liners that accomplish nothing.
Fathomless1 09-27-03, 10:31 PM	Albino Male Drow, recently returned from Ravenloft, requests membership... Also there are organisims that only produce light when they are moved...I was thinking of using this as a tatoo... It the case of a weapon or some thing I would us a substance that was light activated, something like exposer ferie fire to activat it for a certian length of time. That way it is easyier to hide and save for more opertune times, light can shine though clothes.
Gellion 09-27-03, 10:37 PM	200th Post.:D
Silmarien Aldalome 09-28-03, 08:30 PM	Originally posted by Fathomless1 Albino Male Drow, recently returned from Ravenloft, requests membership... Also there are organisims that only produce light when they are moved...I was thinking of using this as a tatoo... It the case of a weapon or some thing I would us a substance that was light activated, something like exposer ferie fire to activat it for a certian length of time. That way it is easyier to hide and save for more opertune times, light can shine though clothes. Matron Mother O'p'elesse greets you with fierce stare and dangerous smile greetings Fathomless1 - your endurance and cunning - will serve the House well - The First Male of our House will attend to you shortly -
Silmarien Aldalome 09-28-03, 08:31 PM	To Jonaleth - please address the point made - that being that "rules distort Narrative Process". I will find you a quote from Tolkien that speaks to this area - if you require proof from an author about the "Bombadil Limit". Cheers Sil
anglar 09-29-03, 07:33 PM	Originally posted by Joneleth Talshara Sorry. The Weave is the source of all power in Faerun. This is emphasized again and again in all FR sourcebooks. In fact, MoF and the FRCS contain references to Mystra blocking mages and clerics who get out of line. This is a direct contradiction to your theory. Aside from published evidence, it does not hold up under logical analysis. If gods cannot be barred, and clerics draw power only from gods, why haven't the priests of some evil god or other cast Uaul'Selu'Keryth and destroyed Faerun? Or perhaps, since there is nothing stopping them, cast Karsus' avatar and destroyed Mystra? Hey, an evil god could do that themselves, because Mystra can't stop them! Pfft. Other gods can be barred, but at a cost. Those who were blocked were probably endangering the Weave in some way. That is the only way Mystra can get involved without risking the pushishment of her faithful. As to why the other spells haven't been cast, the knowledge is either heavily guarded or lost. Azuth and Ohgma hold sway over who can find such knowledge and both know the dangers of letting it out. I am a genious. I am arrogant. WYD?
Silmarien Aldalome 09-29-03, 07:52 PM	Matron Mother: .....your servitude only will suffice - my courtiers - but stoop not so low that you have no spirit.....you walk on a knife edge - if you stray too far either way - you fall. Matron Mother stares past the men folk as she talks to them, focussed on a point in the backgroung. A wicked smile crosses her face. She points to you. A finger beckons you to come forward. She says "Do you limit your Voice only because you know I will cut it out if you stray, or because you align yourself in all things with Lolth our Goddess?" ;) Greetings Anglar - I hope you've been well....
Joneleth Talshara 09-29-03, 08:39 PM	The Weave is the conduit spellcasters use to channel magical energy for their spells, both arcane and divine. The Weave is the fabric of esoteric rules and formulas that comprises the Art (arcane spellcasting) and the Power (divine spellcasting). - FRCS, Page 54, "Magic" Nope. I win. :D This clearly proves you wrong. Shall we continue, or call it a victory and move on to the next point?
Gellion 09-29-03, 08:57 PM	HA! I WON THE THREAD!!!!! End thread at the line. --------------------------------------------------
Joneleth Talshara 09-29-03, 08:59 PM	Irrelevant. :)
anglar 09-29-03, 09:55 PM	Sil - If your post was directed at Anglar, then here is his response, otherwise disregard this. <Slowly licks his lips. "Don't ask me whant you know is true. I don't have to tell you I Love your evil heart"> Joneleth - What do you win? I never said that spells don't come from the Weave. I merely maintain that it is a cleric's diety that is tapping the Weave for the cleric to gain the spell. Why else pray to another god for a spell if it's truly only dependent upon Mystra whehter or not you get it? The diety ganting the spell is essentially the middle man, where Mystra is the factory, and the cleric the consumer. PS - I have a tactical nuclear canon 3rd ed. canon missile that will allow for all that I have presented. I don't not wish to use it because it would ultimately destroy Faerun. Don't make me use it just to win. Please. Fathomless1 - Be welcome in Opele Va` Esse'. I am Weapon Master of the House. It is now your choosing as to whether or not you are recognized as 10th son of Opele Va` Esse'. General - Isn' it amazing how anyone who has joined is male. Does no one play female Drow? [edit: for correction in number of sons]
Joneleth Talshara 09-29-03, 09:59 PM	Joneleth - What do you win? I never said that spells don't come from the Weave. I merely maintain that it is a cleric's diety that is tapping the Weave for the cleric to gain the spell. Why else pray to another god for a spell if it's truly only dependent upon Mystra whehter or not you get it? The diety ganting the spell is essentially the middle man, where Mystra is the factory, and the cleric the consumer. This is directly contradicted by FRCS. The cleric himself draws through the Weave. He obeys it's rules. He is bound by it's strictures. As directly quoted, the Weave is the direct conduit for both arcane and divine magic. It is not his god drawing from the Weave and granting him power. His god grants him the knowledge of how to wield magic, but the raw power comes from the Weave. What some folk refer to as magic and wizards speak of as the Art is the means by which some beings can call on the everpresent energies and wield them to create effects. Sorcerers do this instinctively through an innate gift and the incredible force of their personalities. Bard songs waken echoes of the songs of beginning, the music of creation itself. Wizards construct processes - spells - enabling them to bend the Weave to their will in order to do what they desire. The divine power infusing any cleric holding the spells of her god or goddess can do the same, shaping the Weave through the holy (or unholy) power granted to her. - FRCS, Page 55, "Magic" As you can see, the cleric does the exact same thing as the wizard. Shape the Weave. Nothing more. They are subject to it, as much as any other spellcaster. Their god merely grants them the ability to do so. Everything magical in Toril does depend on Mystra. This was the original intent of her creation by Ed. Nothing can bypass her. As for your so-called perfect evidence, threats do not affect me. Bring it.
Dipree Xarann 09-29-03, 10:46 PM	Originally posted by anglar *snip* Isn't it amazing how anyone who has joined is male? Does no one play female Drow? Hmm...I've noticed it as well, Weapon Master. http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/sad/conf.gif I strongly hope Matron Silmarien bears or adopts a female soon; a noble house with no females might have a hard time keeping Queen Lolth's favor. http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/uhoh.gif
anglar 09-29-03, 11:25 PM	You asked for it Joneleth. Since this is a new edition with new canon, I submit that the Drow, namely Lloth, would ally with Shar and use the shadow weave. It's just as canon as anything else is now and just as powerful. Mystra's Ban be damned. Shar could care less.
Safti 09-30-03, 12:37 AM	Alright, I've been lurking awhile, trying to figure out how to go about this . . . This is basically a slightly modified, early version of my epic character [who, due to a complex set of circumstances, is actually CN] When She Was Bad . . . Also, she's a half-fire elemental. Also a long story. -- Matron Mother stares past the men folk as she talks to them, focussed on a point in the backgroung. A wicked smile crosses her face. She points to you. A finger beckons you to come forward. She says "Do you limit your Voice only because you know I will cut it out if you stray, or because you align yourself in all things with Lolth our Goddess?" Red eyes glow intently as a small figure steps forward; she wears a long, black robe over fitted trousers, and her hair - white to her shoulders, then a deep red - flows to her waist in a loose braid. A small smile skirts across her face as she moves to the Matron, bowing once, showing a longbow strapped to her back. She is youthful, but her movements are not those of one who is foolhardy. "I had not realised I had been seen, Matron. I was waiting for an opening in conversation." She glances briefly at the males, and shakes her head with a soft chuckle, returning her gaze to that of the Matron. "My name is Salothil Guarne. I wish to join this House."
anglar 09-30-03, 12:45 AM	Safti - If you will only specify as to which title you wish to be addressed by and I will add your name to the House Register. As Weapon Master of Opele Va' Esse', it is my duty to serve and protect the noble of this House. Be welcome here, First Daughter of Opele Va' Esse'. Since you've been lurking, I feel not the need to warn you that I am a cunning linguist.
Safti 09-30-03, 12:57 AM	Originally posted by anglar Safti - If you will only specify as to which title you wish to be addressed by and I will add your name to the House Register. As Weapon Master of Opele Va' Esse', it is my duty to serve and protect the noble of this House. Be welcome here, First Daughter of Opele Va' Esse'. *grins* First Daughter works fine. [I'm/She's the SECOND FEMALE?!?!?! Hn.] Since you've been lurking, I feel not the need to warn you that I am a cunning linguist. Oh, I've noticed. *smirks*
anglar 09-30-03, 01:01 AM	So, it's okay to have you listed as Safti on the House register? Of course you're the second female. Matron Mother Silmarien always comes first, save for Lloth. To All - We are a stronger house now. Let the fun begin. "Let's bring on the pain. Let's bring the noise."
Safti 09-30-03, 01:04 AM	Originally posted by anglar So, it's okay to have you listed as Safti on the House register? Oh! Sorry, not enough sleep. Yes, that's fine. Of course you're the second female. Matron Mother Silmarien always comes first, save for Lloth. I was merely surprised that no other females had declared allegiance by now . . .
anglar 09-30-03, 01:06 AM	HELLO MATRON MOTHER. ICU.
Silmarien Aldalome 09-30-03, 04:55 AM	To Anglar - greetings my friend - I was off doin' stuff at work....with Sil in background.... Originally posted by anglar Safti - If you will only specify as to which title you wish to be addressed by and I will add your name to the House Register. As Weapon Master of Opele Va' Esse', it is my duty to serve and protect the noble of this House. Be welcome here, First Daughter of Opele Va' Esse'. Since you've been lurking, I feel not the need to warn you that I am a cunning linguist. G'day Safti!! nice 2 C U 'ere! Matron Mother Opele Va' Esse': eyes the female cautiously - while adorning her in the Mantle of the House. She turns to Anglar - come! The Elven Dark Magic must be prepared - you delay with the items required to enact our purpose! Meaning - shall we develop some rules that bound DEM - like Cormanthyr and HEM? *looks down at sleeves and dress hems* Salothil Guarne - you are seen everywhere you wander in this house - there is nowhere that I do not see here. So, use your guile cleverly - but so to inspire Lolth! The Dark Elven Magic is nigh complete - you shall be part of the first Dark Mythal we cast
Joneleth Talshara 09-30-03, 06:17 AM	Meaning - shall we develop some rules that bound DEM - like Cormanthyr and HEM? No. It is explicitly forbidden in canon, I'm afraid. If you're talking about house rules, be my guest. I'll not make a sound. In fact, I'll write it myself, just to ensure it's balanced. :D And now... Welcome, Safti. While I'm very, very far from being a drow lover by any definition of the word, I do post here rather regularly, and thus extend a greeting. If the ongoing flamewars get in the way, just ignore them. It tends to be... relatively wise to do so. :D
Safti 09-30-03, 09:32 AM	Originally posted by Silmarien Aldalome G'day Safti!! nice 2 C U 'ere! It's good to be here. *grins* Matron Mother Opele Va' Esse': eyes the female cautiously - while adorning her in the Mantle of the House. She turns to Anglar - come! The Elven Dark Magic must be prepared - you delay with the items required to enact our purpose! [snip] *looks down at sleeves and dress hems* Salothil Guarne - you are seen everywhere you wander in this house - there is nowhere that I do not see here. So, use your guile cleverly - but so to inspire Lolth! The Dark Elven Magic is nigh complete - you shall be part of the first Dark Mythal we cast *smiles wickedly and bows* "Excellent." Originally posted by Joneleth Talshara Welcome, Safti. While I'm very, very far from being a drow lover by any definition of the word, I do post here rather regularly, and thus extend a greeting. If the ongoing flamewars get in the way, just ignore them. It tends to be... relatively wise to do so. :D *chuckles* Hi there. I've been reading, but I a) don't know FR as well as anyone here [anyone who's been debating, anyways], and b) my adorable epic character *snuggles her* has but 14 levels of bard. So I watch quietly, but do not feel I know enough to throw my two cents in. Which is fine by me. :D
Joneleth Talshara 09-30-03, 09:43 AM	*chuckles* Hi there. I've been reading, but I a) don't know FR as well as anyone here [anyone who's been debating, anyways], and b) my adorable epic character *snuggles her* has but 14 levels of bard. So I watch quietly, but do not feel I know enough to throw my two cents in. Which is fine by me. Excellent. You can safely ignore the flame war without threat of collateral damage, then. Unless at some point you decide to join in. :smirk: :D
Safti 09-30-03, 09:48 AM	Originally posted by Joneleth Talshara Excellent. You can safely ignore the flame war without threat of collateral damage, then. Unless at some point you decide to join in. :smirk: :D *chuckles* I'll prolly just sit back and watch the fire. Oooh, pretty fire. :D
Joneleth Talshara 09-30-03, 09:49 AM	Yes. Quite pretty, when observed from a distance... Of course, once actually in the flames, one must be highly flame-retardant and/or evil enough to actually enjoy it. Fortunately for me, I am both. :mage: Sil, if you actually want to do Dark Elf high sorcery, PM me first. I have a few interesting notes on the subject.
Silmarien Aldalome 09-30-03, 06:44 PM	Originally posted by Safti It's good to be here. *grins* *smiles wickedly and bows* "Excellent." *chuckles* Hi there. I've been reading, but I a) don't know FR as well as anyone here [anyone who's been debating, anyways], and b) my adorable epic character *snuggles her* has but 14 levels of bard. So I watch quietly, but do not feel I know enough to throw my two cents in. Which is fine by me. :D No problemo - enjoy talking about whatever u like too :) One/several-of-several (*eyes go crosseyed) of the things we're building here is/are non-std stuff anyhowz - outsida published materials - so your imagination is the Voice that will help. gr8 2 C U Sil
anglar 09-30-03, 08:04 PM	Slips from behind Matron Mother. "Verily, First Daughter, the flames of this House can only touch you when you allow them to." Anything in particular you wish to discuss? Nods to JoyLynn
Ankheg 09-30-03, 09:08 PM	Hey guys, new to this thread. Can someone give me what you've been talkin' about in four words?
Safti 09-30-03, 09:14 PM	Originally posted by Ankheg Hey guys, new to this thread. Can someone give me what you've been talkin' about in four words? Drow Foundation, epic magic. *bows* Or, if I can use four words per major topic: Drow foundation [mostly male] and Epic [dark] elven magic.
anglar 09-30-03, 11:13 PM	Any/all things Drow.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-01-03, 02:51 AM	Originally posted by anglar Slips from behind Matron Mother. "Verily, First Daughter, the flames of this House can only touch you when you allow them to." Anything in particular you wish to discuss? Nods to JoyLynn .....is one of my most fun/favourite words - first found when Frodo was on Amon Hen, just before he got nabbed by Sauron's eye - I use in in my campaigns - as both DM and player - Verily - and Anon - I come to thee my liege..... To Ankeg - g'day :) a. The Drow equivalent of Elven High Magic (EHM - or HEM if you prefer dresses, folds and seams). b. How to 'bonk' canon - to make it work for you, rather than you for it. c. Drow Artifacts, magic, game tools and otherwise. d. Fun e. a splash of role-play ....with a Female in the fold - Matron Mother's veiled threats to the males - are delivered with all the more satisfaction...... "Tarry in the field of luxury and decadence - where you will find one thousand pains for one thousand joys." she says - flashing a barred smile to the men with the most notoriety - As she then turns with a more subtle gait towards the women. "Our god asks us to defy Mystra - let us determine how to do this. We have only just begun to discover the power of Ritualistic Magic - the Weave is not our Friend - Shar stares at you next to Lolth - and together - with these two - shall we fold Shadow Weave unto on onto itself - and manifest Greatness beyond any Knowing - where not even the Elven High Magic shall be anathema to our purpose. All Hail the Spider Queen All Hail Shar the Great."
Silmarien Aldalome 10-01-03, 02:55 AM	Originally posted by Safti Drow Foundation, epic magic. *bows* Or, if I can use four words per major topic: Drow foundation [mostly male] and Epic [dark] elven magic. "Yes - yes!" A greedy, leering smile greets you! "May the Enemy suffer One Thousand Horrors - the Dark Mythal shall consume Elvendom and we shall know no limits. Realmspace is ours to command!"
anglar 10-01-03, 03:12 AM	I begged Joneleth not to make me go there. Personally, I hate the shadow weave, but if it's the only way for me the win this argument then I'll condemn the whole of Faerun just to do so. We Drow will simply wait here in the Underdark and outlast the hell unleashed.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-01-03, 04:06 AM	Originally posted by anglar I begged Joneleth not to make me go there. Personally, I hate the shadow weave, but if it's the only way for me the win this argument then I'll condemn the whole of Faerun just to do so. We Drow will simply wait here in the Underdark and outlast the hell unleashed. :rofl: Ahh - I see - um, now what are we gunna do??? ....matron mother, suddenly goes all glaze-eyed - and all forgetful....."what's that shadow thingy whatsit?" she says...
Zardnaar 10-01-03, 05:07 AM	Can any of you guyss help me(changing the topic somewhat by the way) I'm looking at doing a Drow Druidess of Istishia(the water elemental god) IMC. She'll probably be an NPC since I never get to play as a player:sad: I'm looking at making her level 12. She doesn't need to be ultra powerful eg I'm not posting her on the character optimisation boards. Anyway her names Lumiya Kueryll and heres a brief story of here. BTW she is Neutral aligned. Unfortyionatly I'm stuck in the position a scimitar is a Druids best melee weapon- I think she'll be using another weapon anyways. Her story. Lumya never knew her parents. She was adopted by a elderly Half Drow Druid named Rythal who raised her in the Druidic tradition. The 1st years of her life were spent in the underdark in Rythals ghetto, a beautiful underground pond of water with fungi farms. They maintained the ghetto as a shrine to Istashia the water lord. Lumiya would often swim in the pond while watching various creature come to the pond to drinkas pure water in the underdark can be hard to find. Occasionally Rythal would leave, returning with supplies although he was reluctent to explain where he got worked items from. One day as she was bathing she saw some Drow come to the grove. Rather shy of strangers she observed them arguing with Rythal over gems and something called money. Rythal claiming he had paid them in full and in any event he had no more gems anyway. Infuriated the Drow leader a male with silver hair that had red streaks dyed into it stabbed Ryhal in the side with his daggar. Mortally wounded Rythal fell to the ground and with his dying breath managed to cast one last spell. Nearly torn from her rock she was clinging to Lumiya watched the water surge into the form of a huge elemental and smash one of the Drow flat. Cursing the Drow fled leaving behind a dead companion. As Rythals spell dissipated Lumiya was dragged though the portal to the elemental plane of water. Lumiya fell unconscious and would have drowned had a quick thinking denzien of the plane not realised she needed air to breath and threw her through another portal back to the prime. When she woke up it was rather bright. She was in a vast cavern with no roof and hundred of lights sparkling in the sky. In the distance she could see a bright fire burning with some figures huddled around it. The gound was bright white and had a cold slushy layer upon it. The figures saw her and startled drew weapons and attcaked. Fearful Lumiya called upon her lord and called a Frost Strike upon them.Screaming in agony the figures were blasted by Istishias fury and fell dead to the ground. One of the ugly beasts survived and crawled away moaning in pain. Retrieving one of their spears Lumiya stabbed the Orc in the back. A few hours later the bright sky got even lighter and a ball of fire gradually appeared searing Lumiyas eyes and skin. Concentrating for a moment she changed her form into that of a strange animal and ran toward some strange looking giant mushrooms. Grud the Mighty wasn't having a good day. 1st of all his warchief had hit him for failing to catch any fish that day. Now he was out in the forest sitting down beside a river with several fish beside him. One day he would be a mighty warrior and kill hundreds, no thousands of Dwarves. If only he could catch some more fish first. Grud personally didn't have much of a problem with Dwarves since he had never met one. But the tribes shamen said they were evil and nasty and had to be exterminated. The other goblins kept picking on Grud and called him weak. For a Goblin Gud was reasonably strong but he lacked the "True motivation of a Goblin warrior" in the words of he tribes Shamen. Grud wished he knew what motivation meant. To a human Grud was a strange Goblin- he lacked that races inherent viciousness although only a fool would call him good. Now Grud also wasn't the most alert of Goblins either but he heard some crashing in the trees. Being somewhat brave (for a Goblin) he snuck into the trees and peared around a tree branch. In a small clearing he saw a deer surrounded by a pack of wolves. The dear seemed to shimmer and turned into a naked dark skinned elven women. The wolves seemed ready to attack but somehow the women managed to calm them down. Now Grud may not have been a genius and he didn't know the difference between a Drow and a surface Elf but between the wolves and a Elf he was having a really bad day. Doing what any rational Goblin would do he wailed and ran back towards his riverbank. Lumiya heard a wailing sound. Ignoring it she looked at the wolves around her. Predators she thought. Turning herself into one she ran with the pack. While in wolf form here thoughts were somewhat feral. Sensing the wolves hunger she lead the pack through the woods hunting prey.... Lumiya was hungry to. What do you guys think of this as a backstory for a Drow PC/NPC? I DM and somewhere out there is a feral Drow Druid with wolves as her companions. Grud the Mighty has since been adopted by my PCs who have started to train him as a fighter- in addition to him catching fish for them. Lumiya rough statistics. Lvl 12 Druid of Istishia Str 12 Int 14 Wis 21 Dex 18 Con 12 Cha 16 Feats. 1. Improved Initiative 3. Noble Blood (whatever that races of faerun one is that allows levitation) 6. Natural Spell 9. Energy substitution- frost 12. Empower Spell
Joneleth Talshara 10-01-03, 10:01 AM	I begged Joneleth not to make me go there. Personally, I hate the shadow weave, but if it's the only way for me the win this argument then I'll condemn the whole of Faerun just to do so. We Drow will simply wait here in the Underdark and outlast the hell unleashed. You do realize that Shar's puny Shadow Weave is barely capable of 10th level spells, don't you? You actually expect it to be able to support spells on the magnitude of true High Magic? Might I remind you that Shar needs the Karsestone to grant relatively 'weak' 10th level magic, and that there is no indication whatsoever that even with this artificial augmentation, she can go beyond that limit? Really, if the Shadow Weave is your 'nuke', I'm disappointed. :D PS - I'll get to you on those stats, by the way. Interesting character. Do you want it min-maxed for maximum possible efficiency as a fighter or a wizard, by the way? Doing both is possible, but you sacrifice efficiency either way.
Ankheg 10-01-03, 11:46 AM	What's the length of a drow's life (currently working on making a character for one of my players that takes to long to make his own. His character now is level 1 and I know that another of my players (chaotic evil half dragon yaun-ti abomination lvl. 5 with a +5 scythe, an unholy spiked chain, and a rapier) will destroy him first chance he gets so I'm making him one now since as long as he plays and his character looks cool.)
Joneleth Talshara 10-01-03, 11:55 AM	In a game with... horrors... like that half-dragon yuan-ti running about, are you completely sure you want to make a Level 1 +2 ECL character?
anglar 10-01-03, 05:44 PM	Need I remind you that Shar is in possesion of the Karsestone, unless something has changed since the end of "The Sorcerer." OOC - Anglar would lean a little more towards the fighter side of things. I only called it a nuke because it can only result in the destrution of everything.
Safti 10-01-03, 06:00 PM	Originally posted by Ankheg What's the length of a drow's life (currently working on making a character for one of my players that takes to long to make his own. His character now is level 1 and I know that another of my players (chaotic evil half dragon yaun-ti abomination lvl. 5 with a +5 scythe, an unholy spiked chain, and a rapier) will destroy him first chance he gets so I'm making him one now since as long as he plays and his character looks cool.) . . . got a little lost in there, but I've always calculated drow lifespans as that of a normal elf. *waves hi* Raising a brow, Salothil leans back, quietly waiting while the Matron collects herself. She tosses a quick, bemused smile at Anglar. [If I have something in particular to say, I guarantee that I will speak up. :) ]
anglar 10-01-03, 08:04 PM	Originally posted by Safti She tosses a quick, bemused smile at Anglar.[/i] [/B] The game's afoot. ;)
Silmarien Aldalome 10-01-03, 08:13 PM	Originally posted by anglar Need I remind you that Shar is in possesion of the Karsestone, unless something has changed since the end of "The Sorcerer." Yes - Greetings Anglar, Ankhar, Safti, Joneleth, Zaardnar. Zaardnar - I'll hava look when I have more time. Raising a brow, Salothil leans back, quietly waiting while the Matron collects herself. She tosses a quick, bemused smile at Anglar. Matron Mother smiles warily at Salothil, acknowledging her presence - then turns to Anglar and the other males of the house. A look of violence crosses her mein - as her colour darkens and face and pupils narrow. "...idle talk I see amongst the House!" she snaps "Where men will walk, women run. Perhaps the food on your table is so plentiful, that you need to rest your legs to digest it!"
anglar 10-01-03, 10:15 PM	Anglar stands solidly, his mouth clinched tightly. Anyone looking can see the vacuum he's creating in his mouth. He bows deeply and rises with a full-toothed smile, blood dripping from his teeth. He licks his teeth clean. Come boys. The Ladies of the House have matters to discuss that are not for our ears. Besides, some of you are quite lacking in your sword skills of late. I would want Matron Mother to lose any of her sons. With a swoosh of his cloak, Anglar turns and exits the room.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-01-03, 11:27 PM	Originally posted by anglar Anglar stands solidly, his mouth clinched tightly. Anyone looking can see the vacuum he's creating in his mouth. He bows deeply and rises with a full-toothed smile, blood dripping from his teeth. He licks his teeth clean. Come boys. The Ladies of the House have matters to discuss that are not for our ears. Besides, some of you are quite lacking in your sword skills of late. I would want Matron Mother to lose any of her sons. With a swoosh of his cloak, Anglar turns and exits the room. you hear a muttering under breath - and hushed whispers as faces lean into each other... You do realize that Shar's puny Shadow Weave is barely capable of 10th level spells, don't you? You actually expect it to be able to support spells on the magnitude of true High Magic? Might I remind you that Shar needs the Karsestone to grant relatively 'weak' 10th level magic, and that there is no indication whatsoever that even with this artificial augmentation, she can go beyond that limit? ....so speak all those who name conventional lore - but the D'Raqu'lin'maraz'toth is another matter - as you know, this Verse has not been attempted - and is Divine in manifestation.
Joneleth Talshara 10-02-03, 03:49 AM	Need I remind you that Shar is in possesion of the Karsestone, unless something has changed since the end of "The Sorcerer." She can grant 10th level magic with it. She may grant 10th level magic to the drow if they grovel at her feet. However, 10th level magic is nowhere near as powerful as High Magic, by far. You are still outclassed, Shadow Weave or no. As for drow ages, they are actually considerably shorter than the lifespan of a full elf. At least, this is the case in Forgotten Realms. Core drow have identical lifespans, I believe.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-02-03, 03:58 AM	Originally posted by Joneleth Talshara She can grant 10th level magic with it. She may grant 10th level magic to the drow if they grovel at her feet. However, 10th level magic is nowhere near as powerful as High Magic, by far. You are still outclassed, Shadow Weave or no. As for drow ages, they are actually considerably shorter than the lifespan of a full elf. At least, this is the case in Forgotten Realms. Core drow have identical lifespans, I believe. ....so speak all those who name conventional lore - but the D'Raqu'lin'maraz'toth is another matter - as you know, this Verse has not been attempted - and is Divine in manifestation. And this Lore is a synergy of Divine Force - with Lolth's bolstering of Karstonian Whole Magic effects - The D'Raqu'lin'maraz'toth is a 1500 year old research project - where shadow-weave in-folds and modifies unto shadow-weave - as process within form. It is akin to HEM (looks down at stitches on sleeves)... A message in a bottle washes up on the shore at your feet - you grab the ancient parchment - it's an excerpt from the Nether Scrolls it reads: Do you work for Canon - or Does Canon work for you Silmarien
Joneleth Talshara 10-02-03, 04:01 AM	Sil, I'll ask nicely, once, before activating the flamethrowers, yes? This is obviously a canon debate. Leave non-canon out of it. House rules are completely irrelevant.
anglar 10-02-03, 04:05 AM	Since 10th level magic is Epic, and Epic magic has no defined levels, the shadow weave is capable of supporting any Epic magic. Unless Races of Faerun put levels to Epic magic (I don't have the book), then saying anything about the level of magic above 9th in terms of levels has been rendered moot by 3 ed.
Joneleth Talshara 10-02-03, 04:15 AM	Wrong again. You are getting desperate, aren't you? First, Mystra's Ban is still canon. If 2E is not directly contradicted by a 3E ruling, 2E stands. WotC canon policy. Thus, any spell effect that would require a 10th, 11th or 12th level spell to create in 2E is banned. Epic magic is bereft of levels, true - but it is rather easy to cross-reference a projected epic spell with the large number of 10th+ level spells in Netheril and Cormanthyr, and thus determine what is, and what is not banned. For example, an epic caster attempting to cast epic mage armor would have absolutely no problem whatsoever, as mage armor is not an effect which requires a spell above 9th level to create. However, if he was trying to cast Karsus' avatar, he would automatically fail, as Karsus' avatar is an 12th level effect, and thus banned. The same applies to effects like Mavin's worldweave or create mythallar. Shar's Shadow Weave supports 10th level effects, as stated in Archwizards Trilogy. It does not support 11th level effects or 12th level effects. Thus, assuming she allows you to play with it, you can only reach 10th level-equivalent effects. 10th level effects are hardly anything to cower under a rock about. Look, just concede now before you embarrass yourself further. Please. I'm not enjoying shooting you down. Of course, if you want to continue, I'm game. :mage:
anglar 10-02-03, 04:22 AM	I have to go home now, I've been working 11 hours straight, but 3 edition has no levels of epic magic. 10th might as well be 100th. You're the one who's desperate, now that I've hit you with the double whammy. The only reason a caster of Karsus's Avatar would fail is because Mystra can show that it is a direct threat to the Weave. Good night for me. Have a good day to you. See you in 13.
Fathomless1 10-02-03, 04:38 AM	The pale one walks to Anglar head down dragging a long wide blade... Stops and tosses the blade to the floor between them. The Great Dark Blade speckled like an moonless night silently screams treachery. The Pale one slowly brinning his eyes to bear on Anglar. "I not so long ago hunted a man that knew only hate and revenge... He was silent and he moved with as if on wings. It was easy to track his from the boddies he left behind, but hard to trap. I finnaly came to understand that he would kill any human or group of the same, if he knew he could flee in time to move on and continue with the slaying he lived for... After he was broken chained and all that was his was mine I asked where he came across this blade. He told me that he had crafted it with all his hate and his two hands. I smilled as I am rairly inclined to but he went on to recount the masters he had hunted and torchered into shairing their sectets. I knew he wasn't lieing. So I offered him a trade, the secret for his freedom..." Dropping a leather book by the blade. The pale one turns and walks away and just before the shadows consume him. "For the boys, so they might grow to be men." XL Mercurial Greatsword 2d10 13-20 X4 17 lb X Large Elvin thin blade crafting Dimond flakes thoughout Keen enchantmaent Mecurial greatsword 1 size larger Two Feats and at a -2
Joneleth Talshara 10-02-03, 04:41 AM	You vastly overestimate your own arguments. This is bad form. As for your so-called 'double whammy', I've been crushing it, and permutations of it for a week in the FR boards. I'm far, far too lazy to crush it again, so I'll just provide a cut and paste, eh? There has been nothing that states: "Mystra's Ban is Null and Void", or "Epic Magic Ignores All Rules". Thus, we must correlate the two, or we are breaking canon. Mystra's Ban in 2E is canon. According to WotC's canon policy, if 2E FR material is not directly contradicted by 3E, it remains canon. This is not to be contested, go look it up on their website. Mystra's Ban functions as such: All spell effects of 10th, 11th and 12th level are prohibited as of modern Faerun. There is no possible way to cast such effects. Any attempt to do so automatically fails. Only if Mystra personally grants an exception can spell effects of this magnitude be cast. (High Mages, Larloch, Chosen) Several NPCs in the FRCS have spell slots of higher than 9th level, but no spells of 10th, 11th or 12th level to memorize in them. They use these slots merely for metamagicked lower level spells, which does not contradict the Ban. Note that a metamagicked 9th level spell is not a true spell of >10th level, as it only does what a 9th level spell is capable of doing, merely much better. Epic magic of this sort (super-boosted lower level effects) would not be affected by Mystra's Ban, as it does not utilize banned spell effects. The Ice Queen (ELH) is not violating these strictures, as her epic spells do not require 10th, 11th or 12th level spell effects to function. They fit the 'boosted 9th level spell' pattern. Elven High Mages are allowed to use the High Magic spell effects, by Mystra's pact with Corellon Larethian. This has not been contradicted. Translating this into 3E is simple, as the epic magic spell system is rather easy to deal with. No spell effect that requires a 10th, 11th or 12th level spell to produce in 2E is allowed. Highly boosted lower level spell effects are allowed without restriction, within reason. Elven epic spells utilizing effects explicitly allowed to High Magic in 2E are allowed, but the High Magic Consequences Table in Cormanthyr is used in such a situation. (Caster death, etc) This way, the canon law of Mystra's Ban is preserved, and epic magic is still usable, and satisfies both canon criteria. 1. Mystra's Ban is canon / Shar can't do 11th and 12th level spells. 2. Epic magic exists in Faerun. You claim that Mystra's Ban / Shar's limit does not apply. Thus, my theory is superior, as it satisfies both criteria, and yours does not.
Zardnaar 10-02-03, 04:44 AM	Actually in 3.0/3.5 high magic is epic magic whether its shadow weave or not. Dark Elven high magic is also epic magic to. Its still withen the DMs right to allow a spell such as Karsus's Avatar to be cast. Mystra=DM epic magic = high magic. Like it or not this is canon policy now. In official FR epic magic exists and works. Mystra would still put the brakes on any Karsus Avatar type spells ie not allow them to be cast. A while ago someone actually made Karsus's Avatar (on the Epic Level Handbook Boards) and statted it out. His version was barely castable by a level 41 wizard with alot of modifiers to his roll. Since several NPCs(Simbul and Iyraclea sp?) have the epic spellcasting feat Mystras ban is effectivly ended and this information supercedes any 2nd ed reference material.
Joneleth Talshara 10-02-03, 04:51 AM	Since several NPCs(Simbul and Iyraclea sp?) have the epic spellcasting feat Mystras ban is effectivly ended and this information supercedes any 2nd ed reference material. Oh, and simply because Iyraclea the Ice Queen has three epic spells that could have been accomplished, easily, with a severely metamagicked 9th level spell, every single banned spell effect is now wide open? Please. This is ridiculous.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-02-03, 04:54 AM	Originally posted by Joneleth Talshara You vastly overestimate your own arguments. This is bad form. As for your so-called 'double whammy', I've been crushing it, and permutations of it for a week in the FR boards. I'm far, far too lazy to crush it again, so I'll just provide a cut and paste, eh? Shoosh you! Maybe you overestimate yours too! You're projecting! Mystra=DM epic magic = high magic. Yes! Semantics ASIDE and hair splitting nuances too about 2E this and that. Epic Magic poses problems for Mystra's ban - and there is nothing that can undo this rule-book discrepancy. The point of epic level magic is to allow uber-9th level magic. THAT'S ITS POINT. And no-one has addressed any "Far Realms" arguments yet either. These pose additional difficulties for Mystra's Ban. NOT to mention the internal references WITHIN core rule books that DESCRIBE methods of DEFINING your OWN magic. And the self-references in "canon" for self-reflection within the tomes themselves. I'm afraid the tomes themselves are FAR LESS prescriptive than the arguments cited by "pro-canon" views here! WOULD YOU LIKE SOME QUOTES FROM CORE RULES!!!
Joneleth Talshara 10-02-03, 04:59 AM	Shoosh you! Maybe you overestimate yours too! You're projecting! Go take a look in the FR Spells & Magic board. I'm not boasting. As for the rest of it... do you really want to head along this line? I have ammunition aplenty, and I can say that the probability of victory for me is rather high. :D Sorry Sil, but I'll have to say it one more time. If you have no evidence, your opinion means nothing in a canon debate. You say you have evidence. Post it, so I can analyze it. Claiming you have evidence without posting said evidence means nothing. Before you bring up the ridiculous Far Realms argument again, need I remind you of the carnage Occam's Razor wrought upon it in one of those old threads? :D
Gellion 10-02-03, 07:33 AM	Originally posted by Joneleth Talshara Before you bring up the ridiculous Far Realms argument again, need I remind you of the carnage Occam's Razor wrought upon it in one of those old threads? :D Ya na kadishtu nilgh'ri stell'bsna Nyogtha, K'yarnak phlegethor l'ebumna syha'h n'ghft, Ya hai kadishtu ep r'luh-eeh Nyogtha eeh, S'uhn-ngh athg li'hee orr'e syha'h.
Joneleth Talshara 10-02-03, 07:46 AM	Ya na kadishtu nilgh'ri stell'bsna Nyogtha, K'yarnak phlegethor l'ebumna syha'h n'ghft, Ya hai kadishtu ep r'luh-eeh Nyogtha eeh, S'uhn-ngh athg li'hee orr'e syha'h. Stop spouting Cthulhu-esque gibberish. You know very well that the Far Realms argument was quite thoroughly eviscerated in regard to canon. :D
Dipree Xarann 10-02-03, 08:11 PM	*walks slowly up to Matron Sil's throne, stops in front of her & drops to one knee* Matron Mother, I beg of you to post the quotes so that we may silence this impudent one. Then we will be free to work towards your goal of creating our own version of the High Magic of the accursed darthiir.
Gellion 10-02-03, 08:41 PM	Originally posted by Joneleth Talshara Stop spouting Cthulhu-esque gibberish. You know very well that the Far Realms argument was quite thoroughly eviscerated in regard to canon. :D Na'ghimgor thdid lym. Myn th'x barsoom lu'gndar. In'path gix mth'nabor. In'path nox vel'dekk. Yig sudeth M'cylorum. M'xxlit kraddath Soggoth im'betnk. Nog s'dath blexmed!
anglar 10-02-03, 09:04 PM	gives Gellion:cookie: :cookie:
Gellion 10-02-03, 09:06 PM	Originally posted by anglar gives Gellion:cookie: :cookie: *Eats cookies*
Joneleth Talshara 10-02-03, 10:33 PM	Ahahahaha. Come on. Give me something to dissect. :D
Gellion 10-02-03, 10:38 PM	Originally posted by Joneleth Talshara Ahahahaha. Come on. Give me something to dissect. :D *Hands Joneleth a dead frog* There ya go. :)
Joneleth Talshara 10-02-03, 10:40 PM	I laugh at thee! :rofl:
Silmarien Aldalome 10-02-03, 11:37 PM	Originally posted by Gellion *Hands Joneleth a dead frog* There ya go. :) :rofl: Joneleth - good of you to take it in positive spirits. Good Afternoon everyone - just a quick post to say that DROW ARE BEST before pushing my very broken down car with big rusty holes in it to the garage for very expensive repairs. Ai! - about car stuff - "I'd rather go coat shopping with my mother" May All Elves be boiled, cooked, fried, eaten and consumed for the "mythal-thingy-whatsit" that I forget what I called it.... in the mean time Do you work for Canon - or Does Canon work for you Faerunian Anarchists (Inc.) (turns to WotC - only joshin - !!!! :bow:) Silmarien
Zardnaar 10-03-03, 12:02 AM	Yep just because Iryaclea has 3 epic level spells it throws open the doors for effectivly level 10+ magic. Several posters have actually added epic level spells duplicating alot of the Netherise spells on the ELH boards. Do I like it? No but it is cannon as far as 3.0/3.5 is concerned. Canon arguements about FR are largly pointless because even in 2nd ed there were several inconsistencies between books let alone between editions (like the cosmology for one). Besides if you need a FR reason why epic level magic works its been something like 1500-1600 years since Netheril fell. Maybe the weave has repaired itself enough by now to allow level 10 and 11 effects via epic magic. Even if the weave could handle another Karsus Avatar spell to be cast Mystra could veto it early on. I believe her portfolio sense would detect anyone trying this spell out again as it was researched or even cast (someone trys to cast it Mystra cuts off their weave connection)
Joneleth Talshara 10-03-03, 12:06 AM	Yep just because Iryaclea has 3 epic level spells it throws open the doors for effectivly level 10+ magic. Several posters have actually added epic level spells duplicating alot of the Netherise spells on the ELH boards. Do I like it? No but it is cannon as far as 3.0/3.5 is concerned. Canon arguements about FR are largly pointless because even in 2nd ed there were several inconsistencies between books let alone between editions (like the cosmology for one). One does not dismiss evidence simply because some of it contradicts itself. One resolves the contradictions based on weighting, and discards what does not fit, not discarding the whole bunch in favor of an idiotic house rule! And what does posters creating Netherese spells have to do with canon? House rules. It is not canon. Mystra's Ban stands, according to WotC's policy, and admitted outright. The Ice Queen has three epic spells, none of which use a 10th, 11th or 12th level spell effect. Any of them could have been constructed from lower level effects - disintegrate, elemental damage, wall of ice, etc. There is nothing in her selection that requires a >9th level effect to accomplish. Besides if you need a FR reason why epic level magic works its been something like 1500-1600 years since Netheril fell. Maybe the weave has repaired itself enough by now to allow level 10 and 11 effects via epic magic. Even if the weave could handle another Karsus Avatar spell to be cast Mystra could veto it early on. I believe her portfolio sense would detect anyone trying this spell out again as it was researched or even cast (someone trys to cast it Mystra cuts off their weave connection) No, the Weave has always been capable of said effects, merely that Mystra banned them from use. Quite simply, it doesn't matter how powerful you are, you simply cannot do it. I suggest you read Netheril and Cormanthyr thoroughly for a more complete understanding of the Weave.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-03-03, 12:47 AM	Originally posted by Joneleth Talshara One does not dismiss evidence simply because some of it contradicts itself. One [b]resolves the contradictions based on weighting, and discards what does not fit, not discarding the whole bunch in favor of an idiotic house rule! You are implicitly performing a "textual analysis" where models of evidence lean on non-science methods. There is no evidence for "magic". When rules contradict each other - CORE rules say to lean on CORE rule-books - where Mystra's ban does not exist. And what does posters creating Netherese spells have to do with canon? House rules. It is not canon. Mystra's Ban stands, according to WotC's policy, and admitted outright. The "rules" provide "rules" for making your own magic - including EDM if one wishes - where the benchmark for "power" is EHM. Epic Level spell casting is no exception. Uber-9th level spells can be cast within Lore in one of several ways. The "evidence" (of publication) actually outweighs any "ban". The "ban" is cited as valid in far fewer tomes than it is *not*.
anglar 10-03-03, 01:29 AM	Joneleth - Does Races of Faerun give levels of magic above 9th? Does it say the the creation of a mythyllar requires a 11th or 12th level spell? Honestly asking here, because I don't have it and think that information can help this discussion.
Zardnaar 10-03-03, 01:50 AM	I have read Netheril and Cormathyr both of which are irrelevent for this discussion. They deal with 2nd ed. In 2nd ed High Magic spells called upon the leviathan, conjured islands up out of the sea and created tidal waves engulfing the vilhon reach. Netheril spells sliced mountains in half and levitated them etc. The ELH has epic magic in it which is legal in the realms in 3.0/3.5 and is capable of these effects and using those rules can duplicate alot of 2nd ed lvl 10, 11, and even Karsus Avatar type spells. The ban is also irrelevent. Epic magic is in the realms like it or not its canon. Its also canon that it can do things previously covered under Mystras ban. In the ELH theres even a spell that conjures up an Island from the ocean. With the Elven high mage PrC elven high magic is also epic magic now (probably with another table for more powerful effects involving numerous elves and a "backfire" type table for when you do use it- needs updating I suppose). True Iryracleas spells aern't truly earth shattering or inspiring but they're really rather simple epic spells. Grab a epic seed add a few modifiers to get XYZ damage dice.... I would rather research a epic spell "Godsrike" that deals 200d6 damage has a range of planar and has had the saving throw against it bumped up to around DC100 or so. All possable with epic magic and all possable in the realms now- canon like it or not. Whether the DM (ie Mystra) would allow such a spell to work on FR is another arguement.
Zardnaar 10-03-03, 01:53 AM	Originally posted by anglar Joneleth - Does Races of Faerun give levels of magic above 9th? Does it say the the creation of a mythyllar requires a 11th or 12th level spell? Honestly asking here, because I don't have it and think that information can help this discussion. No. Its got the Elven High mage PrC though. They seem to get epic spell seeds and don't require the epic magic feat to cast epic spells.
anglar 10-03-03, 02:23 AM	Thank you, Zardnaar. Given that, I'd say it's reasonable to presume that magic above 9th level is no longer defined in terms of level but rather by DC. Now that 11th and 12th "level" magic has been redefined as higher DC spells, I think we can see to where this leads the logical conclusion. I know what you're going to say, "Not being mentioned doesn't mean replaced." Don't you think if super high level magic was still defined in those terms that it would be mentioned in either MoF or RoF, and it isn't.
Joneleth Talshara 10-03-03, 03:45 AM	Look. I am not claiming that epic magic itself is banned. I am saying that the effects possible with epic magic are restricted. For example, there is no possible way that a mage could cast Karsus' avatar or create mythallar, because those effects were explicitly banned by Mystra's will. This has nothing to do with spell levels, it's all about spell effects. Feel free to make a 200d6 epic attack spell. Mystra wouldn't care. It's already possible to get utterly horrific damage simply with metamagicked 3rd level spells, metamagic rods, Improved Metamagic and Haste. This is nothing special. However, for example, the moment you try something, anything at all which mimics a mythallar effect, or if you even thought about trying Karsus' avatar, no matter how high your level, you would fail. Elven High Magic is epic magic now. I do not contest that. As for requiring the Epic Spellcasting feat, why the bloody hell would anyone ever take this class if they did not have it? However, only an elven epic character could use the EHM effects, such as Uaul'Selu'Keryth. No other epic character could do so, according, again, to Mystra's law.
anglar 10-03-03, 03:57 AM	Silverymoon and Thay have spell effects that are similar to mythals. While a true mythyllar may no longer be an option, one can still get close. I agree that no diety is going to let Karsus's Avatar come close to being cast. The heat of your arguments has suggested that you meant very differently from what you just said. I agree with you that certain efects will/should be banned by Mystra/DM or Shar/DM. I guess the question now is "What's pure Epic magic versus just some tricked up lower level spell?" Good night and Good Day to all.
Joneleth Talshara 10-03-03, 04:01 AM	Silverymoon and Thay have spell effects that are similar to mythals. While a true mythyllar may no longer be an option, one can still get close. I agree that no diety is going to let Karsus's Avatar come close to being cast. The heat of your arguments has suggested that you meant very differently from what you just said. Close? No, you can simulate the effect with a dozen smaller ward spells. You cannot create a true mythal unless you happen to be an Elven High Mage. There is a difference, primarily in the scope involved. And Netherese effects ala mythallar are straight out the window. I agree with you that certain efects will/should be banned by Mystra/DM or Shar/DM. I guess the question now is "What's pure Epic magic versus just some tricked up lower level spell?" Simple. Any effect that was banned in 2E is banned now, as canon dictates. Anything that can be accomplished with a lower level spell is fair game, up to a certain extent. However, effects that require 10th, 11th and 12th level spells to even work at all - those are out. Logical.
Gellion 10-03-03, 06:30 AM	This isnt really relevant to the debate going on right now, but in the 3.5 FR thingy they are releasing. The Netherese Arcanist is going to be an epic level PrC.
Joneleth Talshara 10-03-03, 06:38 AM	I fully expect the forbidden spell effects to remain forbidden.
Zardnaar 10-03-03, 08:04 AM	Whats the general opinon of the Elven High Mage PrC BTW.I don't like it. You get half the caster levels in return for epic seeds and minor bonus's to cast epic spells. Or a human for example can just take the epic magic feat get access to all eligable epic seeds and get more bonus epic feats instead of +2 etc to spellcraft. And keep full spellcasting progress for SR purposes. A Drow "High Mage" for example could be any epic Drow wizard with the epic magic feat and probably be better at magic than a surface elf equivilent.
Joneleth Talshara 10-03-03, 10:33 AM	Not really. It doesn't matter. You see, by canon law, the true elves are the only ones capable of using the otherwise forbidden High Magic spell effects. Try as the Drow might, they cannot cast Uaul'Selu'Keryth, no matter what they do.
Zardnaar 10-03-03, 05:22 PM	I'm not talking about canon law. From a mechanics point of view there is nothing stopping a epic drow wizard taking the epic spell feat. Personaly I think the epic magic rules need some updating. Elven high magic for example should probably have a new seed or if using the existing rules a new table of modifiers- bigger effects, rules on mythals etc. Or have a feat called "High Magic" that the Drow can't get or the High Mage PrC only can use.
anglar 10-03-03, 06:11 PM	Originally posted by Joneleth Talshara Not really. It doesn't matter. You see, by canon law, the true elves are the only ones capable of using the otherwise forbidden High Magic spell effects. Try as the Drow might, they cannot cast Uaul'Selu'Keryth, no matter what they do. So we call it something else. We layer 5,000 spell effects and get it anyhow. You talk about WoTC like their completely infalliable. If I had a few billion in cash and bought the line, I could make D&D from my POV. Canon gets changed with each edition. What are we arguing here? What specific spell effects can be made by certain races and what not. Can you give me a 3ed example of a 12th level spell. How would your High Elven Magic self create a mythallar now? What's the DC of that Epic spell? You High Elves. You believe yourselves to be so great. Why is it then that Evermeet is ruled by a Silver or a Grey, if you will? Grey, so many shades, much like good and evil, don't you agree? High elves? You primp. You strut. You whine. You run. I do declare. Humans, in the woods. I won't think about it today. I'll think about it tomorrow. Whatever will we do? I know! We'll build an island out in the middle of nowhere so we can all be together. We'll only let purebloods in of course. It's a marvel of your genius! A triumph of your will. It's okay! The humans came and you ran. Where was your High magic then? BTW: Good morning everybody.
Dipree Xarann 10-03-03, 09:12 PM	Very well said, Weapons Master, well said. While the weak faeries run to their precious island, we grow stronger.
Joneleth Talshara 10-03-03, 10:43 PM	So we call it something else. We layer 5,000 spell effects and get it anyhow. I would really like to see you do that. There is no possible way to tear the entire Weave across Toril to tattered shreds with layered lower level spell effects, no matter how many you use. Pfft. Empty boasting. You talk about WoTC like their completely infalliable. If I had a few billion in cash and bought the line, I could make D&D from my POV. Canon gets changed with each edition. Yeah, and unless you're completely blind, or seeing only what you want to see, 2E is still canon. WotC has stated so, and thus it is truth. Notice that they cannot be wrong, simply because any so-called 'mistakes' they make immediately become canon? You cannot change that. If you really want to, go write your own campaign setting. What are we arguing here? What specific spell effects can be made by certain races and what not. Can you give me a 3ed example of a 12th level spell. How would your High Elven Magic self create a mythallar now? What's the DC of that Epic spell? Specirfic spell effects that were banned, fool. Mythallar was banned to all races, not merely the idiotic humans of Netheril. As for 12th level spells, Karsus' avatar. Go read WotC's canon policy. 2E is still canon unless explicitly contradicted. All your protests to the contrary mean nothing. <snip pathetic flames> Scrabbling for every crumb you can possibly find now, aren't you? Is that really the best you can do? For your information, the Elves created that 'little island' by reshaping the entire face of Toril. Something that even Netheril in all it's glory never dreamed of doing. At the time, if we actually had wanted to destroy you all, it would have been pathetically easy to unleash Uaul'Selu'Keryth in all it's horrific might and blast this worthless world into a wasteland of burning ash, instead of merely moving continents around with it. Pity that the leadership at the time was rather attached to this pathetic rock. And what of you cowardly dhaeraow? Lose the Crown Wars even with the dubious help of your pitiful goddess, be stripped of your passage to Arvandor and your true connection to the Weave by Corellon Larethian, and driven into the depths of the world like craven insects before the burning Sun. And you claim we run from our enemies? Hah! Pity that Corellon only banished you traitors instead of destroying you all, as he did to House Vyshaan. Idiotic decision on his part.
anglar 10-03-03, 11:02 PM	Originally posted by Joneleth Talshara Yeah, and unless you're completely blind, or seeing only what you want to see, 2E is still canon. WotC has stated so, and thus it is truth. Notice that they cannot be wrong, simply because any so-called 'mistakes' they make immediately become canon? You cannot change that. If you really want to, go write your own campaign setting. Specirfic spell effects that were banned, fool. Mythallar was banned to all races, not merely the idiotic humans of Netheril. As for 12th level spells, Karsus' avatar. For your information, the Elves created that 'little island' by reshaping the entire face of Toril. Something that even Netheril in all it's glory never dreamed of doing. At the time, if we actually had wanted to destroy you all, it would have been pathetically easy to unleash Uaul'Selu'Keryth in all it's horrific might and blast this worthless world into a wasteland of burning ash, instead of merely moving continents around with it. Pity that the leadership at the time was rather attached to this pathetic rock. [/B] Let's go. 1) If I owned the product, what I say would be canon. In the world of FR, I would be god. WoTC does make mistakes, what do you call 3.0 Haste and not catching the fact that you could cast two spells a round during playtesting. 2) Care to express Karsus's Avatar in 3ed terms. Got any other 12th level spells or is this the only one that ever existed? 3) Only so you could run away from the humans. 4) Pathetic is the right word. That's what your retort is. What would you have had if they had destoyed it all? You would be a slave in your heaven, while we rule our hell.
Joneleth Talshara 10-03-03, 11:05 PM	1) If I owned the product, what I say would be canon. In the world of FR, I would be god. WoTC does make mistakes, what do you call 3.0 Haste and not catching the fact that you could cast two spells a round during playtesting. That's the whole point. What they say is truth. They are the arbiters of what is, and what is not canon. And they have rather clearly stated that 2E is canon until updated. 2) Care to express Karsus's Avatar in 3ed terms. Got any other 12th level spells or is this the only one that ever existed? Have you even read the history of old Netheril? Yes, this is the only 12th level spell that has ever existed. 3) Only so you could run away from the humans. We could just as easily have destroyed them all. Mercy stayed our hand, which is quite unfortunate, given our current state. 4) Pathetic is the right word. That's what your retort is. What would you have had if they had destoyed it all? You would be a slave in your heaven, while we rule our hell. Wrong. It's called mutually assured destruction. When a world bears the full might of the Sundering, very, very little survives. If at all.
Joneleth Talshara 10-04-03, 12:20 AM	Anglar, as I promised. Here is the munchkin you asked for. :D Your PM is full, so I have no choice but to post it here. Empty your mailbox and I'll delete these and send them over, if you want. <Edit: Taken Down, Off Topic>
Joneleth Talshara 10-04-03, 12:21 AM	<EDIT: Taken Down, Off Topic>
anglar 10-04-03, 12:21 AM	Since we both agree that no PC would ever be allowed to cast the only 12th level spell due to diety intervention, can we agree to drop this part of the argument? What 11th level spells are out there that would still fall under Mystra's ban? I feel safe in presuming that the Mythyllar is up there. What does that thing really do anyway? Last I looked, most of them ultimately failed. What are its powers? All it took to put the Drow down was a god. Your kind was sent packing by a race that is more akin to a virus. Don't lament what your ancestors hadn't the stomach to do. It's in your nature. Let me put it in a more cinematic way. If only we hadn't gotten lost. If only we didn't have a flat tire. If only we were amongst friends . . . or sane people. Lastly, I presumed total destruction. Go be a slave in your heaven.
Joneleth Talshara 10-04-03, 12:29 AM	Since we both agree that no PC would ever be allowed to cast the only 12th level spell due to diety intervention, can we agree to drop this part of the argument? Very well. What 11th level spells are out there that would still fall under Mystra's ban? I feel safe in presuming that the Mythyllar is up there. What does that thing really do anyway? Last I looked, most of them ultimately failed. What are its powers? All of them that aren't simple expansions on 9th level spells. IMO, any spell effect that needed a 10th/11th level spell to cause, a spell effect that spells of 1-9th simply cannot do - this is the sort of spell effect that's banned. All it took to put the Drow down was a god. Your kind was sent packing by a race that is more akin to a virus. Don't lament what your ancestors hadn't the stomach to do. It's in your nature. Let me put it in a more cinematic way. The Elves were sent packing by the humans? Please. What devastated the Elven Empires - all the Elven Empires - and left the world open to humans was the Crown Wars. Note that this was a civil war among elves, and the humans were primitive cave-dwelling barbarians at the time?
anglar 10-04-03, 12:34 AM	Super cool, Joneleth, but I spotted one mistake. In the five levels of Archmage you mentioned 6 powers. The Spell Power +6 takes up three levels and the other three you mentioned, unless of course you're taking Spell Power +3 twice which I wasn't aware one could do. If it is a mistake then I 'd say drop the Arcane Reach. And why aren't you taking advatage of the +12 Epic items out there.
Joneleth Talshara 10-04-03, 12:37 AM	Ah? Yes, my mistake. Did this on the fly. No Spell Power +3 stacking. It's +3 and +2, with +1 or Arcane Reach as a choice. It's your character. Drop Arcane Reach or Spell Power +1, it's your call. +12, hm? Another slip. I'll just edit that now. It really doesn't matter, as this character relies on his multi-empowered stat boosting spells instead of items. Items help when the spells go down, but maximum limit is not defined by them.
anglar 10-04-03, 12:48 AM	Wow! The big difference in our respective build is how I tried to keep mine in line with the way I've played Anglar since rolling him up 15 years ago. Of course there'e no way for you to benefit from that knowledge so you came up with the best you could which is quite impressive. Imagine how deadly we could be if we ever combined forces. Oh, the power.
Joneleth Talshara 10-04-03, 12:53 AM	Thanks. Although to tell the truth, a Level 40 pure epic mage would leave this build in the dust. Spellcasters pull far ahead in the high levels. However, it's good enough. Horrifically powerful in spellcasting, nigh-invulnerable in melee with good damage, and best of all, able to do both at the same time with no loss in efficiency, something which most normal F/M builds struggle with. What was your original intention with this, btw? Your original build was a straight F20/W20 with no PrCs at all, so I had to improvise. How much does it deviate from my build? Ah well. Are you actually going to use this monstrosity in an actual game? :D
anglar 10-04-03, 01:19 AM	I agree, pure mages are unstoppable accept by another. The story behind Anglar in roleplay. Very basic until 10/10 in 2ed. I admit that I saw "Blade" on time too many and thought how cool it would be to have a vampire hunter. I didn't want to roll one up so I thought about which of my PCs would fit the bill the most and/or easiest. I talked it over with my DM in school and we came up with the idea of tying in his past with it. After self banishment from his home of 10 years, Anglar returned to see his parents again. He brought a single friend whom he had traveled with over the years he was gone. He finds out things have changed a lot and that he was finally going to get what was supposed to have been his ten ago, to marry Angelina. On the wedding day, the city is attacked by an army of undead lead by this family of vampires. They kill his parents and bite Angelina moments before teleporting away. Anglar then spends the next year doing nothing but training how to fight undead. During this time Thylex, the friend who had come back home with Anglar, tracks down the vamps to the city they run. Long story a little shorter, Anglar, Thylex, and some locals bring down the vamps. His last moments with Angelina was watching the sun rise one last time together. DM added the nice touch that her fangs were the only things left. Anglar had them dipped in gold to distinguish them from the other vampire fangs he's collected since then. Come to find out later that the vamps were sent by the Drow that Maxa and centuries earlier betrayed and Anglar has a Curse placed upon him by Lloth herself. He can't die until he's killed every vampire on Toril. She meant it that he would come back as an Undead. Tyr, the god Anglar worships most, perverted the curse by giving Anglar a Ring of Regeneration that brings him back from anything. Anglar is the part of me that is "Hurt". I live out the anguish of my life through him. He is the part of me that is discilpline and order, hance his LN alignment. Another PC, rolled up the same day as Anglar, is Ahmad Grestans. He's the Boy Scout. He is twice as powerful as Anglar if not more, but you could harly tell it the way he acts. His life was filled with lies and deceit. He grew up in Thay to parents who bought him on the blck market. His birth mother was a Sembian Nobleman's daughter who had been raped by Zhents. She was told the baby died at birth. My DM decided that this woman would be none other than Ariel Manx, aka Midnight, bka the newest Mystra. How that fir nice? There never had been a decision about the father. Finally, I decided hos cool and ironic would it be if the father turned out to be Cyric. There you have it.
Joneleth Talshara 10-04-03, 01:25 AM	I agree, pure mages are unstoppable accept by another. Oh yes. :mage: <snip character backstory> Excellent history, I must say. Although when considering the munchkin build, the interesting thing is that it fits the character. There may not be any dedicated undead-hunting components present, but none of the PrCs and stats stick out as contradictory, and the sheer lethality definitely qualifies. Except the godly (literally - some gods have lower) INT score, of course. That one sticks out. Ah well. Are you going to use it? :D
Joneleth Talshara 10-04-03, 01:29 AM	What does that thing really do anyway? Last I looked, most of them ultimately failed. What are its powers? They acted as a power tap into the Weave, constantly draining it of power to fuel pseudo-magical items. A spell cast draws power from the Weave to fuel the casting - to use an analogy, a small bucket out of a well. A mythallar acts as a modern pumping station, sucking power at prodigious rates to keep the Netherese enclaves floating and their huge array of pseudo-magical items running. Obviously, Mystra banned them quite thoroughly. They were damaging the structure of the Weave by the sheer load they placed on it.
anglar 10-04-03, 01:31 AM	Seeing as now I'm the DM of the 3E group, I need to find a way to bring him in as an NPC. I'm about to do it with Ahmad, sort of as an Elminster type. I've printed it out and will take a good look at it. I appreciate the work you've done. My PM box is cleaned out. Do you know how to increase the number of mesaages I can have in that thing? Right now it's saying full after one message.
Joneleth Talshara 10-04-03, 01:33 AM	Clear out your SENT ITEMS folder. Those count towards your limit. Save the munchkin build posts into Notepad as a TXT file, so I can take them down. They are way off topic. :D EDIT: I see you've printed it. Excellent. Erasing now.
Gellion 10-04-03, 01:50 AM	Originally posted by anglar Your kind was sent packing by a race that is more akin to a virus. Anglar, while i hate no one, please do not call us viruses, or i will be forced to lose all respect for you.
Joneleth Talshara 10-04-03, 01:53 AM	Rebuttal, Anglar. Come on. We did get sidetracked, but let's get back on topic. :D 1. Elves 2. Epic Magic. 3. Mythallar. (See above for definition.)
Gellion 10-04-03, 02:15 AM	300th post.:D
anglar 10-04-03, 02:50 AM	Firstly, Gellion - my apologies. I was just doing another movie reference, a la "Matrix", as I've done earlier. Joneleth - I think we've come to an agreement without really knowing it. Karsus's - (STUPID) 'Nuff said. Mythyllars - maybe a low grade one that is truly just a bunch of lower level spells all tied into one that doesn't siphon the Weave. I can't think of any effect that've been discussed as being banned that I'd want to use anyway. I guess it's now come down to a case by case study. If you agree then I say we call a truce on this one until such time as a spell effect is suggested in what "we - The Drow Foundation" want to call Elven Dark Magic that is banned by Mystra. Cool?
Joneleth Talshara 10-04-03, 02:52 AM	Aye, we'll call a ceasefire for now. There really isn't much else to argue about.
anglar 10-04-03, 02:57 AM	Until next we disagree, I bid you all goodnight for me and good day to you. Have a nice weekend.:)
Gellion 10-04-03, 03:04 AM	Originally posted by anglar Firstly, Gellion - my apologies. I was just doing another movie reference, a la "Matrix", as I've done earlier. Contrary to popular belief i find most Humans to be quite decent and nice.
Zardnaar 10-04-03, 06:23 AM	The Drow only exist because Correlion had mercy. Far more mercy than you depraved degenerates following the lies of your false goddess. Come to the surface again and see how high magic works. You can have another free demonstration. Eh flag. I'm off to play Knights of the Old Republic. Played DnD today. I love goblins (DM insane laughter echoes in the distence, Mwahahaha)
Silmarien Aldalome 10-04-03, 07:38 AM	Originally posted by Dipree Xarann Very well said, Weapons Master, well said. While the weak faeries run to their precious island, we grow stronger. Matron Mother: ...the precious light lovers - and their simpering, sooking and adoration of their elf children - disgusting! I would eat elf-flesh for the pleasure of knowing elves grief and no other reason. They kill his parents and bite Angelina moments before teleporting away.........His last moments with Angelina was watching the sun rise one last time together. Silmarien: ...in the space between Light and Dark - in the nexus of worlds, Anglar turns to the horizon. There he sees the quickening dawn - and beside him - Angelina - resolved - . Her face is mirthless, and her face set with hard features, cruel but beautiful. In the space of three heartbeats, Angelina sees her Fate - and just for the briefest of moments - she looks at Anglar - and a glimmer of true joy cross her mein - as a single tear runs down her face. "Honour in Death Anglar - may you find your own Peace on your Journey of Suffering also. I shall be standing waiting for thee across the Threshold of Death - where we will again meet in the Afterlife." The first rays of sun spring from the horizon - and Angelina turns to dust in a final scream of annihilating but cleansing Pain.
Joneleth Talshara 10-04-03, 09:19 AM	The Drow only exist because Correlion had mercy. Far more mercy than you depraved degenerates following the lies of your false goddess. Come to the surface again and see how high magic works. You can have another free demonstration. (IC) "Perhaps well-intentioned mercy, kinsman. But foolish mercy nonetheless. Would that the Creator had destroyed these traitors, instead of staying his hand in pity. What death and destruction could this world have been spared, if Corellon Larethian destroyed them all?" "No matter. What he could not bring himself to do, we, his chosen children will do for him. We have fallen far, but we still know well the warp and weft of the Weave, and the old arts of death and destruction. The only punishment for treachery is death. By the purifying flames of the pitiless Sun shall they be purged..." - Joneleth Ereinion Talshara (/IC) Interestingly, by any powergamer's reckoning, the Drow are actually weak compared to the true Elves. That +2 ECL is doom to a spellcaster class, as caster levels are everything. They make passable warriors and rogues, but a bit of SR (easily pierced by any mage who knows what he's doing) and +2 to an additional mental stat (useless to fighters and rogues) is not worth two class levels. Statistically speaking, if built correctly, any surface elf +0 ECL character is superior to a drow of equal level. Surprising, but quite funny. :D
drachentoeter 10-04-03, 06:26 PM	Interestingly, by any powergamer's reckoning, the Drow are actually weak compared to the true Elves. That +2 ECL is doom to a spellcaster class, as caster levels are everything. that is so metagaming. Guess how weak the tarrasque would be by a powergamers reckoning with its ECL. The +2 ECL exists only to bring balance to what would otherwise be to powerful for a pc. It only proves that drows are everything but weak.
Joneleth Talshara 10-04-03, 09:08 PM	that is so metagaming. Guess how weak the tarrasque would be by a powergamers reckoning with its ECL. The +2 ECL exists only to bring balance to what would otherwise be to powerful for a pc. It only proves that drows are everything but weak. The only way to prove anything in this game is by looking at the rules, as they are the only so-called hard evidence of what is, and what is not true. A Level 3 drow will have one class level. A Level 3 elf will have three class levels. This even applies at Level 20. The drow will have 18, and the elf will have 20. If the drow has 20, the elf will be epic level 22. Two extra class levels are worth far more than the drow benefits, especially for a caster. Sure, a level 1 drow commoner is better than a level 1 elf commoner. But he requires... how much XP to level up to 2? That's right, the same amount the elf needs to get to level 4. And a properly built Level 4 character will effortlessly defeat a level 2 character, ECL race or no. Thus, if we phrase this in a manner that does not involve game rules, an average elf will be better at what he does than the average drow, except at the very bottom of the pile. And claiming that drow level 1 commoners beat elf level 1 commoners is hardly something to be proud of.
drachentoeter 10-05-03, 03:46 AM	true to that, good point. But couldn't you also say that a level3 mage who happens to be drow has an Encounterlevel 5 and should be able to handel the level3 mage who happens to be elf? On another side aren't 99.x % of the population commoners, and therefor it would matter if the drow commoner would beat the elven one. I mean a couple of 1,000 commoners beat the crap out of your epic fighter and his magic sword even if they were emptyhanded. ;)
Joneleth Talshara 10-05-03, 03:50 AM	An ECL 5 Drow is a Level 3 character. An ECL 5 elf is a Level 5 character. You cannot arbitrarily compare a Level 3(5) drow to a Level 3 elf - the drow has two class levels worth of XP on the elf, in this case. For an accurate comparison, we must use equal levels. And equal levels = elf wins. The fact that the Drow needs two levels worth of advantages to win simply makes it worse. :D And 1000 commoners cannot beat an epic fighter, not if he knows what he's doing. 1000 commoners are ash and dust before even a Level 20 mage. And who really sends commoners out to fight, anyway?
drachentoeter 10-05-03, 04:34 AM	An ECL 5 Drow is a Level 3 character. An ECL 5 elf is a Level 5 character. You cannot arbitrarily compare a Level 3(5) drow to a Level 3 elf - the drow has two class levels worth of XP on the elf, in this case. For an accurate comparison, we must use equal levels. And equal levels = elf wins. The fact that the Drow needs two levels worth of advantages to win simply makes it worse. It is still metagaming and knowing the rules that makes them seem weak. If you want to compare the average drow to the average elf you would have to consider the average level of them. Now this is highly speculative by it's nature. But since XP in DnD are earned through combat I'd expect drows that fight for survival every day to have more XP on average. The whole +ECL is to keep gamebalance and figuring out XP earned. Though your technically right, labeling ECL races as weaker is logical nonsense. Going by your logic dragons would be a weak race since they got so many +ECL. And 1000 commoners cannot beat an epic fighter, not if he knows what he's doing. 1000 commoners are ash and dust before even a Level 20 mage. Oh yes they can, no matter how strong and no matter how fast he is (unless he runs away) And who really sends commoners out to fight, anyway? ummm, kings, queens, lords.. rulers of all kinds. They even have a name for that: war
Joneleth Talshara 10-05-03, 06:46 AM	It is still metagaming and knowing the rules that makes them seem weak. If you want to compare the average drow to the average elf you would have to consider the average level of them. Now this is highly speculative by it's nature. But since XP in DnD are earned through combat I'd expect drows that fight for survival every day to have more XP on average. It doesn't matter. The 'average' elf and the 'average' drow, when they actually meet in combat, will be of roughly equivalent XP. Enough to get to Level 2-3 of Warrior, at most, for the average elite footsoldier. That's a Level 3 Elf vs a Level 1 Drow. I don't fancy the drow's chances. The whole +ECL is to keep gamebalance and figuring out XP earned. Though your technically right, labeling ECL races as weaker is logical nonsense. Going by your logic dragons would be a weak race since they got so many +ECL. No. A dragon at CR 17, for example, has 17 levels of dragon. This is MORE than enough for power relative to a 17th level character, because dragons get a whole hell of a lot more for their CR than drow. A drow at CR3 has two levels of drow and one level of a character class. This does NOT match up to a straight three level character with no +ECL. What I am saying is simple. The Dragon and Tarrasque are fine, because their 'monster levels' easily replace class levels. It is possible to make characters that can kill them effortlessly, but that's min-maxing. However, when you look at the Drow, those two levels of Drow give you a small bit of SR, some minor spell like abilities, and +2 total stats. This is not worth two class levels! Templates like Half Dragon or Half Celestial are far more worth it, because they actually give a massive, tangible benefit! A half-dragon character spends three levels on 'Half-Dragon', and those benefits actually match the three character levels he loses, if he isn't a caster. Massive stat bonuses, immunities, abilities, etc. What does the Drow get for his two Drow levels? Oh yes they can, no matter how strong and no matter how fast he is (unless he runs away) Have you ever tried to make a horde-killing epic fighter? They can butcher everything that stands within fifteen feet of them every combat round. No matter how many commoners you have, none of them are going to live long enough to do more than throw rocks, and they need 20s to hit on those rocks. They then have to pierce damage reduction and fast healing! ummm, kings, queens, lords.. rulers of all kinds. They even have a name for that: war You send soldiers out to fight. That's the entire purpose of having them. Commoners only get involved if the enemy is already ravaging your primary population centers, and at that point, you've already lost the war.
drachentoeter 10-05-03, 02:29 PM	It doesn't matter. The 'average' elf and the 'average' drow, when they actually meet in combat, will be of roughly equivalent XP. Enough to get to Level 2-3 of Warrior, at most, for the average elite footsoldier. That's a Level 3 Elf vs a Level 1 Drow. I don't fancy the drow's chances. That is nothing but an assumption. Personally I don't think it's even a good one. No. A Dragon.....<snip>...Templates like Half Dragon or Half Celestial are far more worth it, because they actually give a massive, tangible benefit! A half-dragon character spends three levels on 'Half-Dragon', and those benefits actually match the three character levels he loses, if he isn't a caster. Massive stat bonuses, immunities, abilities, etc. What does the Drow get for his two Drow levels? I'm not arguing against any of that. I do agree that +2 ECL is not worth the benefits. It only shows that the ECL adjustment is to high. However it doesn't make the race weak. The mere fact that they get an ECL proves that the race is considered to powerfull without it. Have you ever tried to make a horde-killing epic fighter? They can butcher everything that stands within fifteen feet of them every combat round. No matter how many commoners you have, none of them are going to live long enough to do more than throw rocks, and they need 20s to hit on those rocks. They then have to pierce damage reduction and fast healing! No, I haven't. But even if it is supported by the rules, it shouldn't be. It's common sense that given a large enough number of adversaries you can not win the fight. Where are the bodies going? They'd squeeze you to death long before you reach the 1,000 mark. You wouldn't have the room to move your sword anymore. You send soldiers out to fight. That's the entire purpose of having them. Commoners only get involved if the enemy is already ravaging your primary population centers, and at that point, you've already lost the war. In peace times you have an army of career soldiers. However when the going gets though you take every available commoner give him a pike or a sword and call him soldier . If he comes back alive, he's probably gained some warrior levels and is called veteran . If he doesn't he's called casualties or hero depending on who you ask. What I'm getting at is they are commoners no matter what you call them. No ruler can afford a standing army big enough to fight his wars. The career soldiers form the backbone of an army, not more not less.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-06-03, 12:44 AM	Interesting discussion above - we had a chance to play out an encounter with Drow last Saturday. It was quite hair-raising - the Darkvision plays out as a very significant advantage - when you are actually a character facing Drow who does not have Darkvision. It was the most significant factor in our encounter on the day. At the moment, Silmarien has 5 HP and is the last character standing - and two of her companions are very dead. We are about 1/2 Km from the encounter point - but I need the Lantern to bloody-well see anything - so, I'm a beacon in the darkness to them. But, I do have two bags of tricks, and one 6th and one 7th level spell (Mordenkainan's sword + Prismatic Eye) - forget the new name for the Sword thing in 3.5 The Drow only exist because Correlion had mercy. Far more mercy than you depraved degenerates following the lies of your false goddess. Come to the surface again and see how high magic works. You can have another free demonstration. :rofl: Matron Mother: ....one thousand ruinations on the Surface Dwellers and their accursed Yellow Sun. A disgusting burning thing - disruption to the solace of darkness.... Cheers Sil
Joneleth Talshara 10-06-03, 01:52 AM	That is nothing but an assumption. Personally I don't think it's even a good one. Both races, elves and drow, do not use conscripts. Check the sourcebooks if you wish. Assuming the average front line elven soldier has enough XP to reach Level 2-3 as a warrior, which is logical enough considering their exhaustive training, the assumption stands. Drow soldiers will be Level 1 across the board. As you can see in Cormanthyr, the average Myth Drannan armathor, akh'faern or akh'velahr will be at least level 6-8, not level 3, so my assumption is thus a rather low limit. Even if we take a Level 6-8 Myth Drannan soldier and a Level 4-6 Drow soldier and pit them against each other, the Level 6-8 character is quite likely to win. I'm not arguing against any of that. I do agree that +2 ECL is not worth the benefits. It only shows that the ECL adjustment is to high. However it doesn't make the race weak. The mere fact that they get an ECL proves that the race is considered to powerfull without it. No, ECL is a canon game mechanic. You cannot take 'realism' and apply it to game rules. According to those rules, which are the basic laws of the D&D universe, the average drow will be two levels behind the average elf. No, I haven't. But even if it is supported by the rules, it shouldn't be. It's common sense that given a large enough number of adversaries you can not win the fight. Where are the bodies going? They'd squeeze you to death long before you reach the 1,000 mark. You wouldn't have the room to move your sword anymore. This is an epic level character. Common sense does not apply to D&D. The rules alone do. Whirlwind Attack with a Spiked Chain or other reach weapon, with the Epic Feat that lets you Whirl up to your maximum reach instead of five feet. Everything within ten to fifteen feet of you dies, every round. And you can still make a full move every round with the proper feats. In peace times you have an army of career soldiers. However when the going gets though you take every available commoner give him a pike or a sword and call him soldier . These are elves. They do not do this. Read the sourcebooks. If he comes back alive, he's probably gained some warrior levels and is called veteran . If he doesn't he's called casualties or hero depending on who you ask. What I'm getting at is they are commoners no matter what you call them. No ruler can afford a standing army big enough to fight his wars. The career soldiers form the backbone of an army, not more not less. Again - these are elves. They do not fight conventional wars. Your point stands with humans, but not with either surface elves or drow.
drachentoeter 10-06-03, 03:36 AM	Both races, elves and drow, do not use conscripts. Check the sourcebooks if you wish. Assuming the average front line elven soldier has enough XP to reach Level 2-3 as a warrior, which is logical enough considering their exhaustive training, the assumption stands. Drow soldiers will be Level 1 across the board. There you go, it is an assumption. It is logical to you that they will be level 1 across the board as you assume they got enough XP to be level3 characters. As you can see in Cormanthyr, the average Myth Drannan armathor, akh'faern or akh'velahr will be at least level 6-8, not level 3, so my assumption is thus a rather low limit. Aha, so at least on the surface elven side the average level is higher. And then you point out that even if their drow counterparts had the same characterlevel they'd be still weaker 'cause of the +2ECL. Now this is only showing that at least in Myth Drannor it is not level2-3. It doesn't tell you anything about drow settlements or what the average drow warband levels will be. It is an assumption that it couldn't be higher than those of surface elves. Why? 'cause it be unfair if they had more XP? No, ECL is a canon game mechanic. You cannot take 'realism' and apply it to game rules. According to those rules, which are the basic laws of the D&D universe, the average drow will be two levels behind the average elf. According to those rules the drow with the same number of XP will be two levels behind the elf. And I can take realism or at least a amount that suits me and apply it to the game rules. If you drop 50 guys around you, it will take more than what you normal movement rate is just to climb over their dead bodies and nothing in the rules keeps me from bringing that kind of realism to the gametable. Nowhere in the rules says it that their dead bodies simply disappear. It is ruling 0 by the DM to say that doesn't impair your movement. As a matter of fact I do like to bring common sense to my games and it doesn't need to conflict with the game rules. I believe we have played allways very close to core rules (nobody completly does that I ever met), you can of corse use all your feats and drop everybody with your spiked chain, but in my campaign you'd soon get a problem with the bodies and I'd still be within the framework of the rules. Again - these are elves. They do not fight conventional wars. Your point stands with humans, but not with either surface elves or drow. Gotta bow to that. You're right we were talking about elves and not humans. WTF was I thinking. Guess not thinking is what it was.:blush:
Joneleth Talshara 10-06-03, 03:44 AM	There you go, it is an assumption. It is logical to you that they will be level 1 across the board as you assume they got enough XP to be level3 characters. Think about it this way. Both surface elves who choose to do so, and drow sent to the Fighter's School, both have decades of training. The training is described, for both races, as extremely effective. Thus, it is logical to assume that a graduate of the elf or drow schools will have enough XP to achieve at least combat ability far beyond a normal peasant - in this case, 3 for the elf newbie straight out of training, and 1 for the drow. Aha, so at least on the surface elven side the average level is higher. And then you point out that even if their drow counterparts had the same characterlevel they'd be still weaker 'cause of the +2ECL. Now this is only showing that at least in Myth Drannor it is not level2-3. It doesn't tell you anything about drow settlements or what the average drow warband levels will be. It is an assumption that it couldn't be higher than those of surface elves. Why? 'cause it be unfair if they had more XP? This is showing that if we accept that the average elven career soldier has enough XP to get to level 6, the average drow career soldier will only be at Level 4. Both soldiers get into wars rather often - Cormanthyran border guards have to fend off everything from drow, to marauding orcs, to Netherese abberations released into the wilderness. Drow fight each other constantly enough in an endless civil war. Thus, it is logical to assume that both sides would have equal XP. And at equal XP, an elf is superior to a drow. This cannot be contested. According to those rules the drow with the same number of XP will be two levels behind the elf. And I can take realism or at least a amount that suits me and apply it to the game rules. If you drop 50 guys around you, it will take more than what you normal movement rate is just to climb over their dead bodies and nothing in the rules keeps me from bringing that kind of realism to the gametable. Nowhere in the rules says it that their dead bodies simply disappear. It is ruling 0 by the DM to say that doesn't impair your movement. Nowhere in the game does it say that bodies disappear, but there is also nothing that says that bodies remain as physical obstacles - at least nothing that impairs movement. As a matter of fact I do like to bring common sense to my games and it doesn't need to conflict with the game rules. I believe we have played allways very close to core rules (nobody completly does that I ever met), you can of corse use all your feats and drop everybody with your spiked chain, but in my campaign you'd soon get a problem with the bodies and I'd still be within the framework of the rules. Full move and whirlwind. I do not need to stand in one place. Move thirty feet, kill everything within fifteen feet, do it again, and again, and again. Gotta bow to that. You're right we were talking about elves and not humans. WTF was I thinking. Guess not thinking is what it was. :D
Zardnaar 10-06-03, 04:22 AM	You do realise ECL is a PC thing? Theres no NPC Troll going round saying to himself. " Bugger I'm equivilent to a level 11 human". It for game balance purposes for PCs.
Joneleth Talshara 10-06-03, 04:23 AM	You do realise ECL is a PC thing? Theres no NPC Troll going round saying to himself. " Bugger I'm equivilent to a level 11 human". It for game balance purposes for PCs. It applies to NPC Challenge Ratings as well. ECL is a universal thing. A L5 Drow would be CR 7 encounter.
drachentoeter 10-06-03, 04:39 AM	Drow fight each other constantly enough in an endless civil war. Thus, it is logical to assume that both sides would have equal XP. No it ain't. It is an assumption, that two completly different enviroments will yield the same level of figthing ability and the same amount of XP. What is the price of underachieving in the elven figtherschool and what is it in the drow? Drows also do not only fight amongst each other, they fight all the other races in the underdark as well. A place described as more lethal than the surface. Assuming that they're of equal level is not more logical than assuming that they are not. Indeed many writings imply that the only reason they don't take over is that they constantly fight amongst themselves. I assume that this means weaker drows die and the stronger ones survive. Making the remaining drows lesser in numbers but higher skilled (as in having more XP). This is just an assumption too, but I don't think it's any worse than yours.....or less logical (or more). If we can agree on it being an assumption, not more or less, the argument ends here, as I don't argue about at the same XPs the elfbuild most likely will beat the drowbuild. P.S.: Though I still think that such a train of thought is metagaming and wouldn't occur to any inhabitant of a DnD realm, whereever it might be. ;) :angel:
Joneleth Talshara 10-06-03, 04:48 AM	No it ain't. It is an assumption, that two completly different enviroments will yield the same level of figthing ability and the same amount of XP. XP is an abstract concept. Someone who has gained experience in fighting with orcish marauders, magical abberations, drow raids, human barbarians and the occasional daemonic incursion gets the same kind of experience as someone who spends all day killing other drow. It doesn't really matter. What is the price of underachieving in the elven figtherschool and what is it in the drow? Elves train for a century, just to get it right. Drow younglings are considered battle ready at thirty to forty, after a 20-year crash course. Who has more XP? Even if we allow the Drow to gain combat XP via training at double rate due to their evil, this still works out to even. Drows also do not only fight amongst each other, they fight all the other races in the underdark as well. A place described as more lethal than the surface. Cormanthyr borders Netheril. Netheril is fond of creating horrific magical experiments and releasing them into the wilds to wreak havoc. Or summoning demons and letting them go, just to see what happens. Cormanthyran border guards fight as many monsters as the drow do. In fact, elven nobles often sally forth via the Honorsgate portal to hunt drow like dogs in the Forest of Mir. Again, it evens out. Assuming that they're of equal level is not more logical than assuming that they are not. Yes, it is. By all the evidence I have provided, out of the official sourcebooks. Indeed many writings imply that the only reason they don't take over is that they constantly fight amongst themselves. A false implication. If they try, they would have to deal with elven high magic backing up endless armies of human warriors, supported by dwarven siege engines, etc, etc, as well as the ever-meddling Elminster and Sisters. If the Drow unite and attack, so will the surface nations unite in defense. It's even. Again. I assume that this means weaker drows die and the stronger ones survive. Making the remaining drows lesser in numbers but higher skilled (as in having more XP). This is just an assumption too, but I don't think it's any worse than yours.....or less logical (or more). Evidence suggests otherwise. If we can agree on it being an assumption, not more or less, the argument ends here, as I don't argue about at the same XPs the elfbuild most likely will beat the drowbuild. Ah, very well. Unless someone else wants to join in.
anglar 10-06-03, 09:12 PM	Thank you for the words, Matron Mother. I agree with Joneleth that +-level ECL races are at a disadvantage versus +0 races of equal ECL.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-06-03, 10:50 PM	Originally posted by anglar Thank you for the words, Matron Mother. I agree with Joneleth that +-level ECL races are at a disadvantage versus +0 races of equal ECL. *sighs in relief* Says "glad I didn't get involved in that one* ...Furious eyes stare out at you - but on a face with a cruel smile plasted over the top of hatred. Matron Mother's head movements reveal a distinct edge to them. The head movements are too sharp and pointed and are incongruous with the smile. Her stare is not for the faint-hearted. Only the strongest of willed amongst the house, can endure the stare - few have seen this rage in the Matron Mother - and all who have seen her like this know that it is not the time to question. Some secret communion between Lolth and the Head of the House - perhaps. Perhaps, some news comes her way. "There will be five who shall be sacrificed! Prepare our Magic - we assault the Second Great House of our World. Zara'doranzumbar will be cleansed of their Second House's betrayal of Lolth!" Greetings Anglar - good to see you. Sil
anglar 10-06-03, 11:30 PM	Sends word for the sons of Opele Va' Esse' to meet at the weapons room for further instructions by one runner. Sends another runner to gather the House spies and meet at the Weapon Master's War Chamber. We await your orders, Matron Mother.Until then I shall see to the necessary preparations, unless you have other things in mind that I need be aware of.
Zardnaar 10-07-03, 12:19 AM	Originally posted by Joneleth Talshara It applies to NPC Challenge Ratings as well. ECL is a universal thing. A L5 Drow would be CR 7 encounter. I thought Drow were ECL +2/+1 CR? I alwaya thought ECL was for PCs only though for game balance purposes. That Great Wurm Red Dragon needs alot of xp to become a level 1 sorceror.
anglar 10-07-03, 01:05 AM	Zardnaar - I offer $10 U.S. per month for the use of your signatue space.
anglar 10-07-03, 01:27 AM	Nods acknowledgement to our First Daughter.
Safti 10-07-03, 02:01 AM	Yay, evening classes with exams! *grins* Been a bit busy this weekend. Calmly, Salothil turns. "I have never before taken down another House, Matron; but be assured, I will do whatever is required of me." She ignores Anglar, paying full attention to the angered Matron before her. [I, on the other hand, wave hi at anglar. ^_^] I'd also like to third the '+ECL races are at a disadvantage as spellcasters'-opinion, by the by.
anglar 10-07-03, 02:25 AM	How I love the women of this House. And to think they think me arrogant. Stops by his private quarters to pick up a special sword before joining the House sons.
Joneleth Talshara 10-07-03, 04:15 AM	I thought Drow were ECL +2/+1 CR? I alwaya thought ECL was for PCs only though for game balance purposes. That Great Wurm Red Dragon needs alot of xp to become a level 1 sorceror. Yes, that dragon needs a lot of XP to become a level 1 sorceror. Which is why you don't see very many dragons with class levels. Not that they really need it, with their innate spellcasting ability. I'd also like to third the '+ECL races are at a disadvantage as spellcasters'-opinion, by the by. +ECL races are at a disadvantage at all levels, IMO. Class levels are usually worth far more than most ECL race benefits, and this is referring to fighters. Spellcaster classes, of course, are obvious.
Dipree Xarann 10-07-03, 08:52 PM	*Upon receiving word from the runner sent by Weapons Master Anglar, the Fifth Son begins his initial preparations for battle. He throws on his magical chainshirt, then his spell component pouch. He begins preparing his daily arcane spells: heavy on the offensive spells (mainly fire, cold, and acid).* *Next are his personal weapons: First, Dipree straps on his magical longswords: the +1 flaming sword on his right hip, the +2 icy burst sword on his left. Next the young dark elf grabs his composite long bow & quiver.* *makes his way quickly down the hallway toward the weapons room. Nods respectfully to First Daughter Salothil as he passes her in the hall.* I await your orders, Matron Silmarien. Opele Va' Esse' ultrin!
Joneleth Talshara 10-08-03, 12:18 AM	"Fascinating. The traitors are killing each other. Again. How laughably self-destructive. No matter, the more of each other they kill, the less we have to burn." FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
anglar 10-08-03, 01:37 AM	Here we go Joneleth. I've just done a write up of something that may be called a mythal, though probably not. Here's what I got. Ward seed DC 14 + 40 (increase area) +160 (ward up to 9th level spells) - 20 (increase casting time to 10 minutes) - 170 (10 cooperative 9th level spells donated) - 10 (burn 1000 XP) ------- 14 x5 (permanent effect) ----- 70 spell DC. Under the area of effect, no baneful spell of 9th level or lower could be cast.
Joneleth Talshara 10-08-03, 03:31 AM	That's just a ward. It's possible to do something similar with the old 2E ward 9th level spell, or a severely amped up globe of invulnerability or antimagic field spell. Nothing special. It's not even 11th level, if we use the old classifications.
drachentoeter 10-08-03, 03:48 AM	.........Psst, matron mother, I think it be unwise to wage war on the second house in the name of Lolth as long as you haven't cleaned your own house of the teachings of Eilistrae......
Silmarien Aldalome 10-08-03, 05:08 AM	Originally posted by drachentoeter .........Psst, matron mother, I think it be unwise to wage war on the second house in the name of Lolth as long as you haven't cleaned your own house of the teachings of Eilistrae...... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: You know Drachentoeter - you're a gorgeous person!!! Dipree!!!! :bow: G'day !!! Anglar, Safti, Joneleth, Zadnaar - greetings all. Ward seed DC 14 + 40 (increase area) +160 (ward up to 9th level spells) - 20 (increase casting time to 10 minutes) - 170 (10 cooperative 9th level spells donated) - 10 (burn 1000 XP) ------- 14 x5 (permanent effect) ----- 70 spell DC. More.....needs......more..... ;) Cheers Sil
Joneleth Talshara 10-08-03, 05:24 AM	A true mythal would require at least one grand power of much, much greater scope than a simple ward (11th level effect, at least), four major powers of nearly equal might (10th level effect), and up to twenty two lesser powers (1-9th level effect). It would also have to be sentient enough to intelligently use it's powers for the purpose it was created without the dumb robotic programming of a normal ward spell, and last literally forever, immune to all attempts to dispel or modify it save by another High Magic / Epic spell of equal power. You can come pretty close, but it would be, at most, a pale imitation of the true effect. Remember that the spell effects that mythal grand and major powers require are banned to all but High Magi. Hmm. I have a couple ideas, but it would require some house rules at the very least.
anglar 10-08-03, 05:29 PM	This is what I'm talking about. Share your ideas with us, please. Some may call this not much more than a SPAM thread, but if wew can expand the way we play our own games, then it's for the best. I don't want you to violate canon, but share with us as close as we can get without going beyond the Ban of Mystra.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-08-03, 07:35 PM	Originally posted by anglar This is what I'm talking about. Share your ideas with us, please. Some may call this not much more than a SPAM thread, but if wew can expand the way we play our own games, then it's for the best. I don't want you to violate canon, but share with us as close as we can get without going beyond the Ban of Mystra. It's a beautiful moment when we are all aligned. Well done Anglar! Silmarien
Joneleth Talshara 10-08-03, 10:39 PM	One way would be to go begging Shar for help. She'd probably let you cast 10th level effects via the Shadow Weave, which would make it possible for you to play around with a little more power than you're normally allowed. Another way would be to use layered low powered spell effects, as you've already demonstrated. However, the problem with this is that said effects are rather easily removed by mages who actually have access to higher level effects. There is no easy way for drow to replicate EHM or Netherese magic, as that was the entire point of Corellon's Curse and Mystra's Ban. As I said before, it would require a few house rules. Breaking the Ban, for example. Or severely overpowering the Shadow Weave.
anglar 10-08-03, 11:12 PM	Forget that this particular thread is called "The Drow Foundation." This discussion is bigger than that. You know how I personally feel about the shadow weave. So, without lifting Mystra's Ban (houseruling), the best way to do a mythal like effect is to layer lots of lower level effects. Is there any Epic spell or named Epic effect which could allow for the tying of these effects together to make it harder to dispell them that you know or can think of? I'll look myself and respond if I come up with anything. I think another thing we can maybe bring into the discussion is just how strong of a caster or casters are we trying to defeat with this. Even Thay, which is the mightiest spellcasting country on mainland Faerun, has severe limitations. IIRC, they have around 5,000 wizards, but 4,000+ are 5th level or lower. This makes more than 80% of their spell casting power rendered moot by a MGI cast by a mid to high level mage. I'll concede that a mage of high power (anything Epic) could/should be able to get by or around most anything we come up with here, which is a mythal like spell effect that could cover a LARGE area.
Gellion 10-08-03, 11:17 PM	Well, maybe an epic level PrC that lets you easily metamagic lower level spells. And an ability would let you make a Mythal with a bunch of metamagicked lower level spells.
Joneleth Talshara 10-08-03, 11:22 PM	You know how I personally feel about the shadow weave. As it stands, however, it's the only way you're going to get 10th level effects, and even that is not for certain. Unfortunately. So, without lifting Mystra's Ban (houseruling), the best way to do a mythal like effect is to layer lots of lower level effects. Is there any Epic spell or named Epic effect which could allow for the tying of these effects together to make it harder to dispell them that you know or can think of? I'll look myself and respond if I come up with anything. Tying together all the effects required to make a true Mythal (one 10-11th level power, 4 9-10th level powers, 22 1-9th level powers, complete immunity to all normal dispelling, sentient usage of powers, access to clerical/druidic effects as well as arcane) would result in a spell with an uncastable DC. I suggest you stick to a lot of lower level epic spells, affecting the same area. You won't be able to get the Big One off, I think. I think another thing we can maybe bring into the discussion is just how strong of a caster or casters are we trying to defeat with this. Even Thay, which is the mightiest spellcasting country on mainland Faerun, has severe limitations. IIRC, they have around 5,000 wizards, but 4,000+ are 5th level or lower. This makes more than 80% of their spell casting power rendered moot by a MGI cast by a mid to high level mage. I'll concede that a mage of high power (anything Epic) could/should be able to get by or around most anything we come up with here, which is a mythal like spell effect that could cover a LARGE area. You need epic magic to even come close, I'm afraid.
Joneleth Talshara 10-08-03, 11:23 PM	Well, maybe an epic level PrC that lets you easily metamagic lower level spells. And an ability would let you make a Mythal with a bunch of metamagicked lower level spells. No house rules. Canon material only. See above.
Gellion 10-08-03, 11:26 PM	Originally posted by Joneleth Talshara No house rules. Canon material only. See above. D'oh.:)
anglar 10-08-03, 11:34 PM	Joneleth - please try not to think in terms of the Drow doing this. Imagine we're on the Spells and Magic Board having this discussion. Okay? As far as an Epic PrC that allows for easily metamagicked spells, one of your faves, Incantrix does this before Epic and one can only imagine what you could do as an Epic Incatrix.
Joneleth Talshara 10-08-03, 11:36 PM	Joneleth - please try not to think in terms of the Drow doing this. Imagine we're on the Spells and Magic Board having this discussion. Okay? I'm operating on the assumption that this is a non-elven, non-chosen, non-Larloch caster doing it. There's little to no difference between a drow mage, human mage or dwarf mage when it comes to this. As far as an Epic PrC that allows for easily metamagicked spells, one of your faves, Incantrix does this before Epic and one can only imagine what you could do as an Epic Incatrix. You're the one who specified "canon only". I may love the Incantatrix, but it does not help you make Mythals. It's built for combat mages.
anglar 10-09-03, 12:09 AM	So now we come down to the semantics battle of what is trluy a 10th level or higher effect versus what is a 0-9 effect that my be juiced up.
Joneleth Talshara 10-09-03, 12:11 AM	Not really. Download Netheril off WotC's downloads page. Cross-reference any projected effects with the rather large list of 10th/11th level spells present. It's quite easy to tell.
anglar 10-09-03, 12:14 AM	Thanks for the tip. I'm doing so now. Til next we disagree. :P :P
Joneleth Talshara 10-09-03, 07:55 AM	Excellent.
Yipwyg the Mighty 10-09-03, 09:24 AM	And in that single moment of peace between Joneleth and Anglar, I actually posted in my favourite foundation. May the enemies of Lolth wilt and die painfully under our blades. Let the streets run red from their blood. And may the Spider Queen's fickle hand smile upon us in our moment of triumph.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-09-03, 06:34 PM	Originally posted by Yipwyg the Mighty And in that single moment of peace between Joneleth and Anglar, I actually posted in my favourite foundation. May the enemies of Lolth wilt and die painfully under our blades. Let the streets run red from their blood. And may the Spider Queen's fickle hand smile upon us in our moment of triumph. Matron Mother: "...yes...yes...." Matron Mother's eyes reveal admiration for Yipwyg and deep cunning, mixed with greed and hatred. "...ever the Elves and their sickening sibilint coo-cooings of warmth and 'cozy-ness'! Argh - enough to make the skin crawl with horror..." ;) Sil: hello there Yipwyg - great to see you :bow: Dark Mythal Spell One Roses are Red, Violets are Blue Kill all the Elves And bake up a stew *Matron Mother smiles wickedly* "..yes...yes....that's it...." *catches her robes on her throne as she gets up* *you hear a "tearing" as fabric rips* mumbles to self: "damned drow metal - too sharp"
Gellion 10-09-03, 06:38 PM	Originally posted by Silmarien Aldalome Roses are Red, Violets are Blue Kill all the Elves And bake up a stew Elves are not good in stews. They are too thin to be much good in anything.:behold:
anglar 10-09-03, 07:16 PM	But have you tried the "Thin Mints" recipe?
Silmarien Aldalome 10-09-03, 07:32 PM	Gellion :rofl: Matron Mother: that -2 to Con makes them too bony for good stew! So I cast a "fatten" spell first" *rubs hands together* Originally posted by anglar But have you tried the "Thin Mints" recipe? Matron Mother: ....eyes Anglar's Recipe book - *sees some of the same ingredients for Lembas in the Mint's section* *screams in shock* *accidentally shoots Lightning Bolt (scream activation mechanism)* *chunk of rock falls from ceiling* *gets up, dusts self off and rubs temples*
Joneleth Talshara 10-09-03, 09:07 PM	:dice: :dice: :dice: :dice: Sil. Post rules. The dice demand it! Fear the cuboid horde! :dice: :dice: :dice: :dice:
anglar 10-09-03, 09:38 PM	Methinks Joneleth would like us to get a little more serious.
Safti 10-09-03, 10:07 PM	*Salothil, beyond all odds, is giggling* Elves make good broth, if you boil them - they're quite savoury. You just don't expect any meat from them, is all. *grins toothily at Yipwyg* [Anglar, Sil, Gellion? :rofl: ]
Joneleth Talshara 10-09-03, 10:10 PM	Methinks Joneleth would like us to get a little more serious. As always. *Salothil, beyond all odds, is giggling* Elves make good broth, if you boil them - they're quite savoury. You just don't expect any meat from them, is all. *grins toothily at Yipwyg* Drow are not cannibals.
Safti 10-09-03, 10:13 PM	Originally posted by Joneleth Talshara Drow are not cannibals. *blushes* I know, I was teasing. I'm sorry. Would you prefer I withdraw the remark?
anglar 10-09-03, 11:48 PM	Got a couple of questions for you Joneleth. Does it mention anyhwere else differently than it's mentioned in the Netheril sourcebook about Mystra's Ban? Was the knowledge of how to make a mythallar lost to everybody but the Elven High Mages or restricted from everyone other than the Elven High Mages? The answer to these questions mean a lot to what I'm thinking about. Thanks in advance.
Joneleth Talshara 10-10-03, 12:16 AM	Netheril and Cormanthyr are the most recent sources that deal with the Ban. Therefore, they are the most accurate. Secrets of the Magister also had something, but it is overidden by Netheril in particular. As for Netherese mythallar, nobody can make them. Not even the High Magi. Elven mythals are made only by the Elven High Magi.
Joneleth Talshara 10-10-03, 12:47 AM	*blushes* I know, I was teasing. I'm sorry. Would you prefer I withdraw the remark? No, no. Don't mind me. Quite funny, actually. The image of a tribal cannibal drow munching on a thighbone is quite hilarious. :D
Safti 10-10-03, 12:54 AM	Originally posted by Joneleth Talshara No, no. Don't mind me. Quite funny, actually. The image of a tribal cannibal drow munching on a thighbone is quite hilarious. :D *giggles* I didn't have that one before. If I have funny dreams tonight, I'm blaming them on you. :D
Joneleth Talshara 10-10-03, 01:10 AM	*giggles* I didn't have that one before. If I have funny dreams tonight, I'm blaming them on you. :D :rofl:
anglar 10-10-03, 01:30 AM	<Prepares for Joneleth's heated response> The way for the Drow to have Mythals is clear to me now. Most High Lloth and Shar can make a pact. Lloth gaining access to the shadow weave, and Shar gaining the following of the Drow. We can learn the secrets of making a mythallar from the Shades, and the shadow weave is more than capable of supporting the spell necessary to create the Mythal. Cry havoc and let loose the dogs of war!
Joneleth Talshara 10-10-03, 01:39 AM	<Prepares for Joneleth's heated response> Flame War AI Mark VI uploaded. Commencing protocol. The way for the Drow to have Mythals is clear to me now. Most High Lloth and Shar can make a pact. Lloth gaining access to the shadow weave, and Shar gaining the following of the Drow. Shar is already trying to get Lloth to agree to an alliance. Old news. :D We can learn the secrets of making a mythallar from the Shades, and the shadow weave is more than capable of supporting the spell necessary to create the Mythal. Raise Mythal is a High Magic Ritual. The Shadow Weave cannot support High Magic Rituals, because of it's very nature. Download Cormanthyr. See for yourself. As for mythallar, Shar has trouble powering one, considering that she needs the Karsestone to do so. She probably isn't going to look kindly upon anyone who asks her to drain even more power out of her precious Shadow Weave. Cry havoc and let loose the dogs of war! :rofl: Thou hast stolen my sig quote! Die! Oh, wait. It's public domain. Curses, no disintegrations today. :rofl
anglar 10-10-03, 01:49 AM	I present to you "Lefeber's Weave Mythal", a nice 10th level spell I found in "Netheril" sourcebook. We've all agreed that the shadow weave can support magic of such a level. As to whether or not Shar would want such a thing is up to the individual DMs who may choose to use such a thing. Knowledge of this spell very likely exists with the Shades, since they have their own mythal. "Is this a dagger I see before me?"
Joneleth Talshara 10-10-03, 01:56 AM	Lebefer's weave mythal produces a flawed copy of a true mythal - it's basically just a wide area, long lasting ward. You can do the same with some basic epic magic. A better version would be the 10th level spell Mythanthor's create mythal, which creates a reasonable copy of a true mythal, but that one's firmly in the hands of the elves. As for whether Shar can handle 10th level, yes, the consensus was that she could, as long as she had the Karsestone. But how much can she give? Most of that power's going straight into Shade's shadow mythallar. Again, download Cormanthyr off WotC's downloads page. You cannot try to rationalize the Drow having something you don't understand yourself.
anglar 10-10-03, 02:58 AM	It provides what I desire. Don't tell me what I can and cannot rationlize or understand. Which one of us understands the concept of Synergystic Math? IMO, you're sweating, Joneleth. I've shown within core materials that the knwoledge exist in today's Faerun. The power also exists. Everything else that is left is simply a matter of personal campign interpretation of the existing canon. Would I be wrong in comparing the magic weaves to being like a muscle? Allow me to explain. A muscle with proper exercise grows bigger and stronger as it is used. During this process the muscle is torn slightly with each workout. After the workout, the muscle repairs itself, making it larger and able to handle a greater weight. If we use this ananlogy for The Weave, we could say that 0-9th level spells are the everyday use where 10th+ level spells are the workouts. Early, the muscle (the Weave) was worked as hard as possible (during the Netheril Empire). Unfortunately, one workout caused a major tear in that muscle (Karsus's Avatar). The muscle was able to heal itself over time. The mind (Mystra) knowing that such workouts were dangerous to the muscles and unnecessary decided that no more workouts of that nature would ever take place (Mystra's Ban). Shar's shadow weave, being nearly as old as the Weave but remaing secret for so long, was rarely worked out. This would explain why the shadow weave only supports up to 10th level magic. Now that the shadow weave is open knowledge, it can take on more vigorrous workouts. Given time (DM's discretion), it is logical that the shadow weave will be able to support more and higher levels of magic, just the the Weave.
Joneleth Talshara 10-10-03, 03:04 AM	It provides what I desire. Don't tell me what I can and cannot rationlize or understand. Which one of us understands the concept of Synergystic Math? You do not want to turn this into a debate on mathematical concepts. I'd be quite happy to oblige you, but you might not enjoy it. No offense intended. IMO, you're sweating, Joneleth. I've shown within core materials that the knwoledge exist in today's Faerun. The power also exists. Everything else that is left is simply a matter of personal campign interpretation of the existing canon. You have shown conjecture. You have not shown proof. Conjecture without proof means nothing. The only thing you have shown is that Shar's Shadow Weave can support 10th level magic and one active mythallar. Do not fall into the "no limits" fallacy trap and conclude that thus, it can support all magic and an infinite number of mythallars. A muscle with proper exercise grows bigger and stronger as it is used. During this process the muscle is torn slightly with each workout. After the workout, the muscle repairs itself, making it larger and able to handle a greater weight. If we use this ananlogy for The Weave, we could say that 0-9th level spells are the everyday use where 10th+ level spells are the workouts. Early, the muscle (the Weave) was worked as hard as possible (during the Netheril Empire). Unfortunately, one workout caused a major tear in that muscle (Karsus's Avatar). The muscle was able to heal itself over time. The mind (Mystra) knowing that such workouts were dangerous to the muscles and unnecessary decided that no more workouts of that nature would ever take place (Mystra's Ban). This has absolutely no basis in canon. There is nothing to indicate that this is the mechanism by which the Weave operates. Again, read Netheril, Cormanthyr and Secrets of the Magister to get the proper canon model. Shar's shadow weave, being nearly as old as the Weave but remaing secret for so long, was rarely worked out. This would explain why the shadow weave only supports up to 10th level magic. Now that the shadow weave is open knowledge, it can take on more vigorrous workouts. Given time (DM's discretion), it is logical that the shadow weave will be able to support more and higher levels of magic, just the the Weave. Only if we're using your completely non-canon assumption. Which we are not doing.
anglar 10-10-03, 03:30 AM	Until an author writes a novel showing us that it can, then it's all conjecture. I agree. I also stated that any application of what I have shown is based upon canon and is the interpretation of individual DMs. You say , "Show me where it says you can." I reply, "Show me where it says I cannot." You're as guilty of making assumptions as I am. I can claim that the only reason the limits we have seen on the shadow weave are there is because it was necessary to keep it a secret until such a time as the secret was no longer needed. The shadow weave did move what is Shade into the Plane of Shaodw. It moved it back. You don't like my analogy of the Weave being like a muscle, fine. It doesn't make it less possible. Oh, the math debate. You're probably right. I was only teaching my Trigonometry and Calculus classes in college when I was your age. I've only discovered one Geometric law in my lifetime that was previously unnoticed, but, like an aquaintance of mine in highschool who developed his own Calculus tangent, it is basically is has no use. I take full offense at your use of bold type with me. The fundamental heart of this game is interpretation of the rules to maximize the pleasure of those groups playing. One man's trash is another man's treasure. It is your right to interpret that the shadow weave is only capable of what has been shown. It's still just a houserule. It's my right to interpret that the shadow weave can do anything the Weave can do. That's my houserule.
Joneleth Talshara 10-10-03, 04:34 AM	Until an author writes a novel showing us that it can, then it's all conjecture. I agree. I also stated that any application of what I have shown is based upon canon and is the interpretation of individual DMs. You say , "Show me where it says you can." I reply, "Show me where it says I cannot." You're as guilty of making assumptions as I am. I can claim that the only reason the limits we have seen on the shadow weave are there is because it was necessary to keep it a secret until such a time as the secret was no longer needed. The shadow weave did move what is Shade into the Plane of Shaodw. It moved it back. You don't like my analogy of the Weave being like a muscle, fine. It doesn't make it less possible. The Weave is quite clearly defined. Again, it's all there in the old 2E material. Your analogy is not the one the designers used, therefore it is incorrect. Yes, it had the power to shift Shade to the Prime Material. This does not mean it has the power to do anything else. Claiming otherwise is similar to... for example, claiming that because an unlabeled battery can power a toy car, it can run an aircraft carrier. Oh, the math debate. You're probably right. I was only teaching my Trigonometry and Calculus classes in college when I was your age. I've only discovered one Geometric law in my lifetime that was previously unnoticed, but, like an aquaintance of mine in highschool who developed his own Calculus tangent, it is basically is has no use. I take full offense at your use of bold type with me. And you expect me to believe this? You do know that this is the Internet, and nothing can be verified? Any random person can simply claim to have, for example, a PhD in quantum physics, theoretical mathematics, or any other random field that sounds impressive. That claim would not be easy, if not nigh-impossible to prove or disprove if the person in question is a good enough faker to avoid confrontations with experts in that field. Nothing can be trusted on the Net. Your arguments must stand or fall based on their own strengths and supporting evidence, not on credentials and/or abilities that may or may not exist. Besides, what does any of this have to do with the debate at hand? Even if you were Stephen Hawking, would that affect a discussion of D&D rules at all? The fundamental heart of this game is interpretation of the rules to maximize the pleasure of those groups playing. One man's trash is another man's treasure. It is your right to interpret that the shadow weave is only capable of what has been shown. It's still just a houserule. It's my right to interpret that the shadow weave can do anything the Weave can do. That's my houserule. You can only state, with absolute certainty, that the Shadow Weave can do exactly what it has been shown to do. You cannot state that the Shadow Weave can do something which it has not been shown to do with that same certainty.
drachentoeter 10-10-03, 08:05 AM	Joneleth, this sound slike a bit of hipocracy to me. You were the first one to throw his academical achievements into the debate, telling first Sil and then Anglar that they don't want to start a debate with you, based on your merrits. Now that Anglar points to his own merrits you discard them as being hard to proof and having nothing to do with a rule discussion. I agree that every argument must stand on its own but anglar's claim of his merrits is as good to me as your claim to be a physicist. Also I support his argument, that only because nowhere in the canon material it is said it can, it doesn't mean it can't. As to your batterie analogy, unless someone connects the batterie to a aircraft carrier and brings empiric proof that it is not possible, it is possible. Anglar said nothing about it having to be absolutely certain nor does he claim his creation to be canon at all. It is a construct that other DMs might find usefull in their campaigns to put drow magic on par with HEM. And as you stated in another thread this is what matters to you, its usefullness to other DMs. The argument you need is how canon contradicts it, not how it isn't there in source materials. As it is Anglar's personal creation I wouldn't expect source materials to support it. And as long as it isn't contradicted by it, his construct stands as quite possible.
anglar 10-10-03, 05:55 PM	Plowman's Pathagorian Equillibrium Law - when any single factor is applied to all the sides of a right triangle the resultant sides will also be a right trinagle. (ma)^2 + (mb)^2 = (mc)^2. Test it if you like. The results are always true and therefore qualify as a law in mathematical terms. Unfortunately this has no practical application and therefore is not used.
anglar 10-11-03, 12:11 AM	Maxa's Mythal Maker Spellcraft DC: 120 Components: V,M Casting Time: 3 Days Range: Touch Area: 300' radius sphere per level Duration: Permanent Saving Throw: None Spell Resistance: Special This spell creates a spherical force of magic that requires activation of some sort to allow entry. All living creatures, undead, animated objects, and those things of that like who are not familiar with the activation key are unable to penetrate the perimeter of the sphere. The method used to penetrate the Mythal is set at the time of the casting. It can include any combination of somatic gesture, phrase, alignment or motivation, or other conditions as set by the caster. These conditions can be dependently or independently linked. The sphere can be made smaller by the caster at the time of the casting if so desired. The caster can attach one additional spell of effect for every five full levels of the caster class being used for the spell. Spell effects added to the sphere can affect one target per caster level of the caster at the time of creating the mythal. The caster loses three levels of experience from the class from which the spell is cast. Nothing can restore these lost levels as they are sacrificed to create the mythal. The material component needed is a mythallar that must be constructed prior to the casting of the spell.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-12-03, 01:35 AM	Looks to Joneleth: Actually, - Dark Mythals are cited in MoF. You aren't going to make me cite text are you? As to Shadow Mythallar and the *number* supportable. You are speculating that only one is allowable. And you can't prove it. It's assumption you have made - and your point about "phallacy crap" and stipulating "infinite" Shadow Mythallar distorts the essence of alternative views. You have missed the point. As to Dark Mythals: MoF includes several hypotheses regarding how to disable them. Your "Cormanthyr" is ambigous in five dozen places. I've given a section of it a thorough critique at Forgotten Realms. While it remains a valuable source - it is not "special". And neither are you, nor your arguments. The Faerun thread with richard what's his name at WotC - provides us with Karsus Avatar Spell! The Shadow Weave - has no specified limit on the number of Shadow Mythallar it can support. The Karestone - and its relationship to Shadow Weave is a very very moot point. Shadow Mythallar are elusive phenomena - and - we know that BEFORE The Karestone existed, that the Shadow Mythallar were NIGH operational - and when the City of Shades went to Demi-Plane of Shadow - the city floated. The Karestone was NOT in Shar's possession during the first floating of the city with a shadow mythallar! Anglars posts are not speculation - they are thoughtful comment on alternative hypotheses - just as valid as any other. *Looks at the disgraceful insults in Joneleth's diatribe* *shakes head* *looks at Drachentoeter's post* - yes - all other people's achievements are reduced to nothing when it suits Joneleth. It's when he feels cornered. As to the "nothing can be verified" - you should be ashamed of yourself for that Joneleth. How dare you.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-12-03, 01:38 AM	Looks to Mythal - nice work! It's about time someone built some at the Drow Foundation. They are needed in campaigns - to enrich. Cheers Sil
Silmarien Aldalome 10-12-03, 01:43 AM	Originally posted by Safti *Salothil, beyond all odds, is giggling* Elves make good broth, if you boil them - they're quite savoury. You just don't expect any meat from them, is all. *grins toothily at Yipwyg* [Anglar, Sil, Gellion? :rofl: ] :rofl: Matron Mother: ...is holding the tear in her dusty robes together with her hand, as she continues to shake dust out of her hair....
Silmarien Aldalome 10-12-03, 01:49 AM	Originally posted by Joneleth Talshara Lebefer's weave mythal produces a flawed copy of a true mythal - it's basically just a wide area, long lasting ward. You can do the same with some basic epic magic. Yeah - and Richard what-his baker thing uses "epic magic" and "karsus avatar" in the one sentence - where you blasted us all to bits for days about it - insisting that Epic Magic was not to be used in the same breath as spells like Karsus Avatar and Pre-Mystra (Mystryl) Magic. You never admit your mistakes. Sil-don't-mess-with-me-ian
Kain's avatar 10-13-03, 12:10 AM	You have shown conjecture. You have not shown proof. Conjecture without proof means nothing. The only thing you have shown is that Shar's Shadow Weave can support 10th level magic and one active mythallar. Do not fall into the "no limits" fallacy trap and conclude that thus, it can support all magic and an infinite number of mythallars The Karsestone bleeds Whole Magic, which is the very magic that existed before Netheril fell. Ergo, it can support all the same spells as the magic of Netheril's time, which includes previous 10th, 11th and 12th level spells. There is proof in the RotA series. BTW, greetings, Dark ones, just a shadow sorcerer here to observe... and perhaps pull a string or two... :smirk:
Silmarien Aldalome 10-13-03, 12:30 AM	Originally posted by Kain's avatar The Karsestone bleeds Whole Magic, which is the very magic that existed before Netheril fell. Ergo, it can support all the same spells as the magic of Netheril's time, which includes previous 10th, 11th and 12th level spells. There is proof in the RotA series. BTW, greetings, Dark ones, just a shadow sorcerer here to observe... and perhaps pull a string or two... :smirk: Yes - agreed. Mind you, several at Forgotten Realms have taken issue with the whole "Weave-Got-Split" thing at Karsus Day. The whole "when was shadow weave born" thing is fully ..... *rubs temples* *grabs headache tablets* (Anglar has Sil as Matron Mother O'pelesse - (abbreviated)).... So Sil says - g'day and welcome :) But Matron Mother: *greedy eyes, with smile plasted over barred teeth and narrowed eyes ".....yes....yes, our arrangement with Shar is nigh complete - soon our.... *cracks* Dark Mythal thingy whatsit will......... make all the Lembas in the Universe go stale!" *cackling craven laughter * "....Seastress!!! Seamstress!!!" she barks as she holds the tear in her robe together....then "GET ME SOME CLEAN WATER - MY HAIR IS FILTHY FROM THAT DAMNED ROCK DUST......"
Kain's avatar 10-13-03, 01:26 AM	Yes - agreed. Mind you, several at Forgotten Realms have taken issue with the whole "Weave-Got-Split" thing at Karsus Day. The whole "when was shadow weave born" thing is fully ..... *rubs temples* *grabs headache tablets* Yes, it can be quite annoying. However, the way I see it, people who can't see it happening one way or the other just don't want it to, and thus can't see the explaination that would cover both sides. My theory that would cover both scenarios, is that originally, the Weave was whole, part shadowy and part non-shadowy. When Mystryl choose Selune and thereby good as her main ally, she accepted the non-shadowy side of the Weave as the dominant side of magic. So, when Shar created the Shadow Weave, it was still part of the Weave, just focused on the shadowy parts of it. When Karsus killed Mystryl, Shar used this moment where Mystryl didn't exist to tear her Shadow Weave away from the normal Weave. This explains both theories, and gives a reason why Mystra and the other gods didn't know about the Shadow Weave, because, at the time, Mystra or Mystryl didn't exist, and thus wouldn't know about it. The other gods wouldn't have seen this happen, as their connection to the Weave, and thus Toril was severed at this time. That's my theory anyway... *fades into the shadows, with bonus stolen string*
Silmarien Aldalome 10-13-03, 02:24 AM	Understand your plural view - it's not clear is it. All the evidence casts both ways. Thank god for plural minded thinkers - thank you for your views - it's interesting. Sil Here - hava :cookie:
Kain's avatar 10-13-03, 02:52 AM	Originally posted by Silmarien Aldalome Understand your plural view - it's not clear is it. All the evidence casts both ways. Thank god for plural minded thinkers - thank you for your views - it's interesting. Sil Here - hava :cookie: Exactly. ;) You are most welcome, and thanks! :D
anglar 10-13-03, 06:07 PM	Anglar returns from the raid on a house whose name is no longer worth mentioning. Blood still drips from his body and clothes. Anglar kneels before Silmarien, "May Lloth forever smile upon your house. Second house is once again our ally and subserviant." Anglar stands, turns to leave, and motions for House sevants. He begins dropping his weapons to the floor, which are quickly picked up. Anglar turns towards the figure lurking in the shadows, "You have my gratitude, Kain's Avatar." The hole in his right shoulder becomes visible as he leaves the room.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-13-03, 06:42 PM	Originally posted by anglar Anglar returns from the raid on a house whose name is no longer worth mentioning. Blood still drips from his body and clothes. Anglar kneels before Silmarien, "May Lloth forever smile upon your house. Second house is once again our ally and subserviant." Anglar stands, turns to leave, and motions for House sevants. He begins dropping his weapons to the floor, which are quickly picked up. Anglar turns towards the figure lurking in the shadows, "You have my gratitude, Kain's Avatar." The hole in his right shoulder becomes visible as he leaves the room. ....Matron Mother has a first Cousing - Silimna - who is also distantly related to Silmarien - there is Elven Blood in the Line of Silimna.... She sees Anglar's bleeding - and has been watching the Houses at War - with concern for the Weapon's Master - and Contempt for Matron Mother. Silimna springs silently in front of Anglar - she is heavily guarded with Dweomer to ward from Mind Spying - she sees Anglars wound - and Channels Divination - from Corellan - it is a Heal Spell - Anglar's Wounds close - as Silimna also pours her compassion into the wound. Something most Drow have never learned. She says ...the greatest struggle is with the Voice of Hate within us - forgive yourself now - for we are all the same. You have strived valiantly with Shadow - you have earned our Eternal Respect..... OK - The Mythal you posted Anglar - shall we flesh it out? - Gotta go to work - where I'll pop in today for quick posts.... Cheers Silmarien
anglar 10-14-03, 12:44 AM	Cups Silimna's chin in his hand, gently. Anglar looks at the structure of her face, especially her eyes. A small smile creeps its way to the corners of his mouth. "So much like my Angel's," he says as he lets his hand glide from her cheek. He looks at himself. "I need a bath." How shall we begin to place muscle and sinew to my skeleton. We could say that the spell is being cast by mage of 35th to 40th level with the proper acessories to allow for the casting of the spell. That allows us to place say seven spells within the Mythal. Lightning bolt is a personal fave for something like this. A set of Detect (insert propper type) would be intelligent as well. What say you?
Safti 10-14-03, 12:55 AM	Originally posted by Silmarien Aldalome "....Seastress!!! Seamstress!!!" she barks as she holds the tear in her robe together....then "GET ME SOME CLEAN WATER - MY HAIR IS FILTHY FROM THAT DAMNED ROCK DUST......" Salothil bows her head, moving quickly. "Hold still a moment, Matron." Moving delicately, she casts a quick spell, and the fibres of the robe twine themselves together. Within moments, all traces of the tear are gone. "I'll just fetch the water, then . . . " she dives off down the hallway, just missing a dark form as it reflexively tucks itself back into the shadows. She passes the bloodied Anglar with a curt nod and a murmured, "Good work." She returns within a few minutes, carrying steaming water within a basin.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-14-03, 09:18 AM	Greetings Safti - :) Hope you've been well :bow: Matron Mother: *cackles* "....soon....soon - all the Lembas in the world shall be STALE!!!.....all the more quickly....when we cast our Mythal and with a good dress on!" *goes "ouch", "ouch" - every time the comb passes through the hair - as it catches on stone-dust and tangled matts of half-dread-locked hair.....* Originally posted by anglar How shall we begin to place muscle and sinew to my skeleton. We could say that the spell is being cast by mage of 35th to 40th level with the proper acessories to allow for the casting of the spell. That allows us to place say seven spells within the Mythal. Lightning bolt is a personal fave for something like this. A set of Detect (insert propper type) would be intelligent as well. What say you? G'day Anglar - :cool: um...some ideas..... A ritual in the Casting - "Strengthen Weave" (muscle metaphor) - or "Compress Weave" - to ensure the power for the mythal? Make sure they are nasty Lightning Bolts - empowered/maximised!! :) (60+30=90 HP - each)? *rubs hands together* Interested in giving it Elf-Bane functions? I reckon major powers too - but what do you think? Safti? Any ideas? *turns to all* Suggestions welcomed guys :) Cheers Sil
anglar 10-15-03, 01:31 AM	Ritual casting of the Mythal spell - Each House provides a caster, for a total of eight. The additional casters provide a 7th level spell for each day. An additional spell for every 10 full levels of the highest casting class per additional caster can be added into the Mythal. Each caster who is not the primary caster loses 1 level at the end of the casting. By doing the spell this way, it is virtually a lock to make the DC checks. It also provides at least another 7 spells that can be placed into the Mythal.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-15-03, 08:37 AM	Originally posted by anglar Ritual casting of the Mythal spell - Each House provides a caster, for a total of eight. The additional casters provide a 7th level spell for each day. An additional spell for every 10 full levels of the highest casting class per additional caster can be added into the Mythal. Each caster who is not the primary caster loses 1 level at the end of the casting. By doing the spell this way, it is virtually a lock to make the DC checks. It also provides at least another 7 spells that can be placed into the Mythal. Nice! :) Need to discuss major and minor functions of Mythal *steers away from Shadow Weave* ;) ...and Process/Content elements (a Mythal "modifies into the Weave" = Process) where Content = Spells it manifests. Also, Pre-conditions (e.g. analogy to Elven Attunement, spell caster configuations - what do you want to substitute for Attunement. How or what would cause Competing Houses to work togther. In earlier work at Foundation - I suggested "greed, hatred, vengeance" as an "aligning cause". Any ideas? Cheers Sil
anglar 10-16-03, 12:20 AM	The alligning cause for the families would be for the protection of the city as a whole. Let the Houses have their wars, but let none cross our boarders. Spells I'd put into a Drow Mythal: Protection from Good, Protection from Law (Maybe), Maximized Lightning Bolt, Dimensional Anchor for any not attuned to the Mythal, Detect Lies for all Noble Drow, Mind Blank for Nobles of the First House or the Female Nobles of the Houses. Anything else you can think of?
Silmarien Aldalome 10-16-03, 03:49 AM	Originally posted by anglar The alligning cause for the families would be for the protection of the city as a whole. Let the Houses have their wars, but let none cross our boarders. :cool: there's nothing like a "common enemy" to cause Alignment of Cause. At it's root is "threat, and fear". If you wish - I would like to write the psychobabbly bits (a-la Cormanthyr) which define some of the "casting conditions" ...that speak to this model of "alignment"......this is Lore/Background, rather than function. Spells I'd put into a Drow Mythal: Protection from Good, Protection from Law (Maybe), Maximized Lightning Bolt, Dimensional Anchor for any not attuned to the Mythal, Detect Lies for all Noble Drow, Mind Blank for Nobles of the First House or the Female Nobles of the Houses. Anything else you can think of? Oh god :) - more - it needs "major" functions as well - that ueber 9th. :) I'm thinking 10th & 11th level spells.... And if you go "weave/mystra" c.f. the (unmentionable) variant - preconditions for "getting Mystra's Imprimatur"..... :) I'm getting into this.......excited again, now, in the new space we're creating. And - to you - passer by - make sure you add your Voice - Cheers Sil PS - ang - Sil-Leia: it's your mythal Kid - make sure you re-route where you don't want...... Matron Mother: ....soon...soon....STALE LEMBAS....
anglar 10-16-03, 10:13 PM	Sil, this is a 10th level effect. I don't think we can tie equal or greater effects into this. Besides, have you looked at most of them? There for shite.
Gellion 10-16-03, 10:23 PM	Make them better then.:)
Gellion 10-16-03, 10:24 PM	Stale Lembas=Yummy.
Gellion 10-16-03, 10:25 PM	400th post!!!:D
anglar 10-16-03, 11:30 PM	That is so cheesy Gellion. You make up crap to say just so you can get that post. You're my hero.:D :D :D
Silmarien Aldalome 10-17-03, 02:26 AM	Originally posted by anglar Sil, this is a 10th level effect. I don't think we can tie equal or greater effects into this. Besides, have you looked at most of them? There for shite. ....Matron Mother hears the voice of the Swordmaster - "WHAT!" - she turns on her heel - and *slips on polished floor* *grabs tapestry on way down* *tapestry tares*
anglar 10-17-03, 02:37 AM	Helps Matron Mother to her feet. "This is but the first step. The world is yours to shape as Lloth and you see fit.The Mythal is here to ensure that any who stand in your way die before dirtying your doorstep."
Silmarien Aldalome 10-17-03, 02:46 AM	*screams again!* *shrill - eye rolls - and dribble* Lembas!! I WANT STALE LEMBAS!
anglar 10-17-03, 03:25 AM	Smacks Matron Mother across the face twice. Come to your sense woman. If others see you like thys they may think you are no longer in Lloth's favor. You have a House to uphold, and I need no more dangers in protecting it. Mythal - Addtional powers - Teleport Without Error for Noble Drow within their own Houses or to the general areas of the city, but not in another House.
Gellion 10-17-03, 06:24 AM	Originally posted by anglar You're my hero.:D :D :D :bounce:
Silmarien Aldalome 10-17-03, 09:09 PM	Originally posted by anglar Smacks Matron Mother across the face twice. Come to your sense woman. If others see you like thys they may think you are no longer in Lloth's favor. You have a House to uphold, and I need no more dangers in protecting it. "....failure is not measured by how one seems to others. Failure only occurs when one succumbs to the pressure of others on you to fail." Matron Mother's eyes narrow as she stares at Anglar - (with dusty hair and bruised hip, and recently mended dress). The Swordmaster has gone too far. A measured smile crosses her face - which vanishes as her face becomes blank of overt signs of emotion. Matron strikes her staff heel on the ground - and a thunderclap resounds throughout the Hall. "My favour with Lolth is not your concern - how dare you - but for your recalcitrance - expect reprisal. It will come when you least expect it. Get out." Mythal: I'm guided by the mythology of Mythals, more than anything. Amazing engines of radiant magic - and stunning, almost unfathomably majestic - awesome. They are weave content and weave process. More than just magic. I think it needs Higher Powers - that are a function of concentrated Weave - something either literally or metaphorically earth-moving. But it's your baby. Stavros
drachentoeter 10-17-03, 11:27 PM	There is a thread from chonjurer listing the most broken spells in 3.5, I'm pretty sure you'd find some good spells to abuse for your mythal in there. Polymorph other or limited wish comes to mind...............
anglar 10-18-03, 01:13 AM	OOC - I've been waiting for a chance to do this. "My only concern is the safety of this House and those who rule it. Lloth's favor with you is chief in how effectively I defend this House. And you will do well to remember that I am more than just your sword master. I am Weapon Master of Opele Va' Esse', and, as such, you should know that I've been working on a little something that will assure that his House remains where it is. You may call it, 'Junior Walker'." Removes a silver stake from his boot and begins stabbing himself about an inch deep every few seconds while speaking. "You think you can inflict a pain on me deeper than that which I have already suffered? Lloth has seen to it that I shall beg for death hundreds of years before it comes to claim me. Every night I see my parents and wife die before me. Every night I relive that it was caused by a childhood friend's jealousy. Every night I learn anew that they died for the wrong my granfther had committed 1,000 years earlier. Every time, just before I wake, Lloth reminds me of the curse she placed on me after I razed my grandfather's Drow City: "For 1,000 years you shall go around fighting those who are dead but not in the ground." Only Tyr saved me from the fate she had in mind. This ring, placed on my hand by Lloth herself and changed by Tyr later, assures that each day I will rise to further my charge. Cut off my head. Tomorrow, it will have returned. Cut off the finger. Tomorrow, it too will have returned. If you want to paint your House in my blood, so be it. I'll start with your bedchambers." Holds his hand to the spot he was stabbing and smears the wall with his blood as he leaves the room. OOC - There is a spell that is capable, with the proper tweaking that could do what you speak of. I'll look at it this weekend and try to come up with a 3E version by Monday.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-18-03, 01:21 AM	Originally posted by drachentoeter There is a thread from chonjurer listing the most broken spells in 3.5, I'm pretty sure you'd find some good spells to abuse for your mythal in there. Polymorph other or limited wish comes to mind............... All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost. From the ashes a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring; Renewed shall be the blade that was broken; The Crownless again shall be King Renewed shall be the blade that was broken Thanx Drachentoeter for the tip. Cheers sil
Silmarien Aldalome 10-18-03, 01:30 AM	Silimna hears the confrontation - between Anglar and Matron Mother - and burns with eagerness. Matron Mother is openly threatened by Anglar - and Silimna senses that Corellan's Love may yet prevail - even in the Underdark.
anglar 10-20-03, 08:06 PM	I got this idea while chatting on a thread about using GMW and TK on 50 arrows. I thought about how many arrows he coul theoratically move with the spell. My next thought went to sling stones. Most of these ideas were cancelled by the weight limit on the spell. Suddenly, I thought, "What if the stones were put into sleeves of ten with a thin but fairly durable cap?" The shotgun was born. The "gun" would be activated by a Ring of Telekinesis worn by the shooter. The shooter can "fire" the sleeve as a standard action by activated the ring and the bullets at a range up to 120 feet. This range is set by the fact that the rings are made at a caster level of 12. The shooter than makes an attack roll for each bullet fired. I've come up with two versions of it. Version 1 is a single shot that can be reloaded as a Move Equivelant Action. Version 2 is a double barrel that can either be fired one barrel per round saving the MEA each round. It takes a Full Round Action to reload both barrels. Damage is 1d4 per bullet. What do you think so far?
Gellion 10-20-03, 08:26 PM	Originally posted by anglar I got this idea while chatting on a thread about using GMW and TK on 50 arrows. I thought about how many arrows he coul theoratically move with the spell. My next thought went to sling stones. Most of these ideas were cancelled by the weight limit on the spell. Suddenly, I thought, "What if the stones were put into sleeves of ten with a thin but fairly durable cap?" The shotgun was born. The "gun" would be activated by a Ring of Telekinesis worn by the shooter. The shooter can "fire" the sleeve as a standard action by activated the ring and the bullets at a range up to 120 feet. This range is set by the fact that the rings are made at a caster level of 12. The shooter than makes an attack roll for each bullet fired. I've come up with two versions of it. Version 1 is a single shot that can be reloaded as a Move Equivelant Action. Version 2 is a double barrel that can either be fired one barrel per round saving the MEA each round. It takes a Full Round Action to reload both barrels. Damage is 1d4 per bullet. What do you think so far? :behold: Seems like something a Gondsmen would make, not a Drow.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-20-03, 09:59 PM	Originally posted by anglar I got this idea while chatting on a thread about using GMW and TK on 50 arrows. I thought about how many arrows he coul theoratically move with the spell. My next thought went to sling stones. Most of these ideas were cancelled by the weight limit on the spell. Suddenly, I thought, "What if the stones were put into sleeves of ten with a thin but fairly durable cap?" The shotgun was born. The "gun" would be activated by a Ring of Telekinesis worn by the shooter. The shooter can "fire" the sleeve as a standard action by activated the ring and the bullets at a range up to 120 feet. This range is set by the fact that the rings are made at a caster level of 12. The shooter than makes an attack roll for each bullet fired. I've come up with two versions of it. Version 1 is a single shot that can be reloaded as a Move Equivelant Action. Version 2 is a double barrel that can either be fired one barrel per round saving the MEA each round. It takes a Full Round Action to reload both barrels. Damage is 1d4 per bullet. What do you think so far? Telekinetic gun thingy = great idea. What about a defensive function - "deflect hurled thingies" - so it would be able to sorta deflect incoming stones and stuff - maybe even telekinetic shield? Cheers Sil
anglar 10-20-03, 11:01 PM	I'd agree, except that the basis is magical in nature and neither alchemical or mechanical.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-21-03, 01:44 AM	Originally posted by anglar I'd agree, except that the basis is magical in nature and neither alchemical or mechanical. ....come on my friend....lead on :) :) :) Sounds good! 'ave we got-em Mythal thingies yet??
drachentoeter 10-21-03, 01:47 AM	Telekinetic gun thingy = great idea. Yep, that's all there is to say about it. As a matter of fact I'll use that thingy a.s.a.p.:smirk:
anglar 10-21-03, 02:21 AM	I like the Mythal the way it is for now. About the spell that would allow us to raise our city from the Underdark to the surface, we do a variation of "Proctiv's Move Mountain." What to call it? Silmarien's Raise City Level: Epic (Ritual Casting) Range: Sight Duration: Permanent Area of Effect: one city Components: V,M Casting Time: 2 hours Saving Throw: none DC: 120 The SRC is most comparable to a spell that cause objects to switch places via a special Teleport. The Primary caster needs to be familar with the area that the city will take as its new residence. Many times, a mountain is chosen so that the city can displace a land mass that leaves the city in a position that is not in a valley. The primary caster and the seven ring members must maintain concentration during the casting time. Travel into or out of the city during the casting time is prohibited. At the end of the casting time, the effect is instantaneous. If the target area to be replaced has a city within one size category of the city that is being raised, the primary caster can either immediately end the spell or make an opposed Caster Level Check versus the highest resident spellcaster of the city, who becomes aware at the beginning of the casting. Inhabitants of a city to be moved can still freely move about the city limits during the casting of the spell. What say you,First Daughter?
Silmarien Aldalome 10-21-03, 02:28 AM	*sees Anglar's Post* Sil-Marsha: *pouts* *swooshes hair* Safti...Safti...we want Safti..... :) ;) Greetings Drachentoeter!!
drachentoeter 10-21-03, 02:44 AM	Cool spell, but why would you want to raise a drow city into the despicable sunlight of the surface dwellers? That is of course unless you allready figured out the epic spell to turn off the lights there.:smirk: :smirk:
anglar 10-21-03, 02:47 AM	To Sil - I just saw the First Daughter lurking and thought I'd say "HELLO" Drach - What Matron Mother wants, I try to provide.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-21-03, 04:01 AM	Originally posted by anglar Drach - What Matron Mother wants, I try to provide. ....matron mother broods silently in her chambers - reflecting on Anglar's recalcitrance. "The ways of Suffering are many......" she says to herself "....a man with nothing to lose does not talk the way Anglar talks. He is hiding something from me. We shall soon find out what that is - then - ...... *cracks* ....yes....yes.....then we shall finally have Stale Lembas......." To Drachy - :bow:
drachentoeter 10-21-03, 04:43 AM	...now that I'm thinking about it. Wouldn't that be a worthy task for a matron mother of a noble drow house to come up with a spell that darkens the sky. All it takes is one really big volcanic eruption that throws a lot of ashes in the sky. I'm sure that a shadow weave mythal could help ensure that the vulcano stays active for a very long time:smirk: That would ruin many a elves day, month, year, century.....till they find a way to undo the mythal. And then they still need to tend to the damage done. Just imagine the chaos and destruction. And the elves wouldn't even know what hit them. Once you turned the lights off you can send drow hunting parties out there in full daylight. Or should I say full not daylight. I'm sure that Lolth would look with pleasure at the matron mother that pulled that one off. A greater darkness of this magnitude is sure gonna attract other light sensitive creatures as well. And by some lucky coincidence most of them hate elves anyway.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-21-03, 05:07 AM	Originally posted by drachentoeter ...now that I'm thinking about it. Wouldn't that be a worthy task for a matron mother of a noble drow house to come up with a spell that darkens the sky. All it takes is one really big volcanic eruption that throws a lot of ashes in the sky. I'm sure that a shadow weave mythal could help ensure that the vulcano stays active for a very long time:smirk: That would ruin many a elves day, month, year, century.....till they find a way to undo the mythal. And then they still need to tend to the damage done. Just imagine the chaos and destruction. And the elves wouldn't even know what hit them. Once you turned the lights off you can send drow hunting parties out there in full daylight. Or should I say full not daylight. I'm sure that Lolth would look with pleasure at the matron mother that pulled that one off. A greater darkness of this magnitude is sure gonna attract other light sensitive creatures as well. And by some lucky coincidence most of them hate elves anyway. Matron Mother sits on an ornately carved chair - inside the Planning Chambers. About her sits Anglar, Drachentoeter, Safti, Gellion and several others. Upon hearing Drachentoeter's idea, Matron Mother turns her entire attention onto this male - and studies him very very closely. Her eyes reveal little, except the unwavering glance and still outward disposition - as she listens to him. After he has finished she turns to the Table and says. "This thing must be - we shall darken the Sun itself - and thence - invade the surface world. And our victory shall be assured by Lolth's Favour. Drachentoeter - mark these words - while you work towards the betterment of our House - you will be bestowed with pleasures uncounted. No pain shall you know"....one of Matron Mother's eyebrows is raised "...where your purpose does not stray." Great idea dude! Sil
drachentoeter 10-21-03, 05:52 AM	after everybody has left the planning chamber something strange comes to the mind of the matron mother. She does know nothing about the past of this male. Where did he come from? Since when is he a member of her house? "Aah matron mother, I should have known that you couldn't be fooled like the others" As she turns around she sees that he has come back, emerging from the shadows of the chamber. "You are right matron mother. I'm not a member of your house, not even a drow. I'm nothing but an evil spirit filled to the brim with malice, a malice that is only matched by your own. A lurker in the shadows that sees many things, and that is why I've come here. I command no armies, nor can I manifest any powers beyond illusions as the body of this male and the power of my voice. I fell from grace a long time ago and it is only my malice that keeps me here. Still I can be of great service if you wish. I know many things that I can reveal to you" "The enemy of my enemies is my ally. As I do your work you are doing mine. Together we could bring chaos and destruction, which is the sole purpose of my existence and your rise to power beyond all matron mothers before you. All I ask of you is to do what you'd like to do anyway. It's a win-win situation for you."
Safti 10-21-03, 05:42 PM	[*grin* *waves* Sorry. Had enough time to quickly glance, not enough to post. Hiya Sil! I'm sorry for the busy-ness - the week kind of descended. Anglar - *applauds the scene* That was great. :D Hiya drachentoeter!] "The mythal is most excellent, I think . . ." *nods to anglar* "Darkening the sky . . . hmm . . . the elves would certainly be disadvantaged, and we at our best. We could merely blot it out - cloud cover or the like; extinguishing the sun altogether might not be even in our hands . . . even for a brief while. Magical darkness would have to be carefully used - even our own little globes are impenetrable for us." *eyes drachentoeter quietly, worrying a bit for the Matron's sanity* ;)
anglar 10-21-03, 05:46 PM	There just happen to be a couple of spells that can do waht you're asking. One creates a volcano and the other changes weather patterns. Hmmmmm, an active volcano in an area that has basically no heavy winds to disperse the ash. What could we do with such a situation? I do declare! <Strikes up the Junior Walker soundtrack and dances down the hall>.:smirk: :smirk: :smirk: :smirk:
Safti 10-21-03, 05:49 PM	Originally posted by anglar There just happen to be a couple of spells that can do waht you're asking. One creates a volcano and the other changes weather patterns. Hmmmmm, an active volcano in an area that has basically no heavy winds to disperse the ash. What could we do with such a situation? I do declare! <Strikes up the Junior Walker soundtrack and dances down the hall>.:smirk: :smirk: :smirk: :smirk: There's a spell with which you can make a volcano? Cool! Where?
anglar 10-21-03, 06:17 PM	Originally posted by Safti There's a spell with which you can make a volcano? Cool! Where? It's in the Netheril Sourcebook. There are quite a few nasty little things in there. I'm sure I can show you something that you'll find of great interest. :smirk:
drachentoeter 10-21-03, 06:56 PM	There just happen to be a couple of spells that can do waht you're asking. One creates a volcano and the other changes weather patterns. Hmmmmm, an active volcano in an area that has basically no heavy winds to disperse the ash Well anglar, if you just make it a big enough volcano, you won't have to worry about the wind dispersing the ashes. Rather heavy winds will just mean that we can affect a bigger area quicker. As long as the volcano stays active (say an eruption every other day) there will be plenty of ashes to disperse. :b: :b: Just imagine looking at it from above. It will be like a cancer growing in the side of the planet. Thereby creating our very own 'mordor' including 'mount doom'. Of course the bigger the affected area gets the slower it will continue growing. But continue it will, as the drow mythal makes sure mount doom (aka the volcano) stays active. The shadow mythal powered by the shadow weave creating the land of the shadow. :devil: :devil:
drachentoeter 10-21-03, 07:02 PM	Aaaah, those were the days.............:mage:
anglar 10-21-03, 07:15 PM	Originally posted by drachentoeter Aaaah, those were the days.............:mage: my friend. We thought they'd never end. We sang and danced the night away. Why do I get the feeling that there is a certain shade to your nature?
drachentoeter 10-21-03, 07:51 PM	What would I know about your feelings my dark friend. :angel:
Silmarien Aldalome 10-21-03, 09:23 PM	Greetings everyone - especially to Safti - nice to see you. *looks upstream* *thumbs up* Nice work! Sil
Safti 10-22-03, 03:00 AM	Originally posted by anglar It's in the Netheril Sourcebook. There are quite a few nasty little things in there. I'm sure I can show you something that you'll find of great interest. :smirk: Oh, prolly. *grins* [The sourcebook - AD&D? I've never heard of it before, so . . .] What kind of work have we got ahead of us insofar as the spell goes? Drachentoeter, I like the way you think. *grins* The only thing we've got to make sure of is that the ash doesn't get too low. Good to see you too, Sil. Sorry about the extended silence . . .
anglar 10-22-03, 03:23 AM	Yes, First Daughter. It's available as a free download on the FR page. I got it from there. I left the spell descriptions at home. I see about working on 3ed versions and hopefully post them on the flipside of yesterday. (God, I love Otis Redding songs) The Mythallar would prevent the ash from reaching us. Drach - You could always cast something that provided an empthic link. I sure that's well within your capabilities. Sil - What say you Matron Mother? How shall our fair city and House rise in Lloth's and your vision?
Tenzhi 10-22-03, 03:38 AM	Hey, I'm contemplating combining a drow with a gnome to create a sort of anti-Dungeon-Master NPC in an upcoming campaign (which I plan on calling a Gnow just to cause confusion on the Gnowings front)... any ideas what such a combination would look like stat-wise?
Silmarien Aldalome 10-22-03, 04:02 AM	Originally posted by Tenzhi Hey, I'm contemplating combining a drow with a gnome to create a sort of anti-Dungeon-Master NPC in an upcoming campaign (which I plan on calling a Gnow just to cause confusion on the Gnowings front)... any ideas what such a combination would look like stat-wise? G'day Tenzhi - nimble, light sensitive, not that strong, (i'd think "healthy" but you know why here ;) ).....charismatic? - could go either way (you also know where I'm going here).... I'd also give it the Drow-Blood magic extras. Sounds interesting.... cheers sil
Tenzhi 10-22-03, 04:07 AM	Originally posted by Silmarien Aldalome I'd also give it the Drow-Blood magic extras. I'm thinking that the innate Drow magic and the innate Gnome magic will synergistically create a completely different form of magic within the Gnow.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-22-03, 04:15 AM	Originally posted by anglar The Mythallar would prevent the ash from reaching us. Drach - You could always cast something that provided an empathic link. I sure that's well within your capabilities. Sil - What say you Matron Mother? How shall our fair city and House rise in Lloth's and your vision? ....Matron Mother experiences inner revulsion at the mention of "empathy" - but her face remains unmoved - she listens to Anglar's intonations - and has to suppress a gag response. "He is so kind" she muses to herself in abject horror "and insubordinate - as always. Lo! How he dares to speak so freely - and also dares to seek knowledge from Matron Mother". When Anglar finishes speaking - she says out loud "....Many are those who would withold knowledge from Matron Mother - and Anglar - know well that few are ever successful in the end." A cunning smile spreads across her face - and you see a glint of sadistic pleasure in her eyes. She continues "But - we must to matters at hand now". She turns to Safti "Your voice here is of Womanhood Safti. Ensure your lineage with your Voice. The Mythal - must inbue the Ashes with True Darkness. They are not to be merely ashes - but magical ashes - that snuff all light out of the Airs." Outside - Silimna listens to the talk - and sheds a tear. As much as darkness is her home - Corellan's Love sings to her of Grief and Loss. Desperation takes hold of Silimna - she vanishes into the Darkness in a flurry of movement with an urgent quest. A Mythal and Mythallar? um.....not sure two are necessary - one or the other? With two Higher functions, and several lower - volcanic eruption and other effects would seem within the scope of one....? Cheers sil
Silmarien Aldalome 10-22-03, 04:16 AM	Originally posted by Tenzhi I'm thinking that the innate Drow magic and the innate Gnome magic will synergistically create a completely different form of magic within the Gnow. If that's not a joke to reel me in - then I'm proud of you. Work for the Half-Elven Foundation here too. :bow: Stavros
drachentoeter 10-22-03, 04:26 AM	You are truely evil tenzhi. :bow: @ anglar I would never do that, now would I. @ safti have you ever watched just how much ashes a volcano in real life blows in the air? Ours would be even worse as the shadow mythal keeps it going. Soon the area around it would be desolate, as the vegetation suffocates under the ashes and the lack of sunlight. At first it will appear to be just a natural thing but as it keeps going the surface dweller will eventually figure it out. With powerfull divinations they'll look for the source as the impact of the volcano destroys more and more of their homelands. Hunger and diseases will thin their lines as much of the harvest will be missing and the ashes in the air cause an ever harder winter than usual. In the end they'll have no other choice as to go to battle or sit back and watch the end of their culture. But they'll have to come to us, marching through the darkness till their hearts are filled with despair. Finally they'll reach our chosen battlefield. And here they shall learn the meaning of terror as we'll raise the fallen warriors and send them back into battle. They'll have to fight their own kin, knowing that everyone that falls might soon be their opponent.
Tenzhi 10-22-03, 04:29 AM	Originally posted by Silmarien Aldalome If that's not a joke to reel me in - then I'm proud of you. I've always agreed with the basic idea of synergy... it's certain implementations of it that I find disagreeable. Work for the Half-Elven Foundation here too. I suppose it is, seeing how the Gnow is half elf... I'll have to get home to my books before I have solid stats for it, though. I think I'll end up posting it in the half-elf thread.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-22-03, 05:06 AM	Originally posted by Tenzhi I've always agreed with the basic idea of synergy... it's certain implementations of it that I find disagreeable. *warm smiles from cyberspace* I suppose it is, seeing how the Gnow is half elf... I'll have to get home to my books before I have solid stats for it, though. I think I'll end up posting it in the half-elf thread. ....post it twice. WotC policy allows one item to be posted on two threads or two forums..... you gorgeous thing! Sil
Silmarien Aldalome 10-22-03, 05:12 AM	Originally posted by drachentoeter At first it will appear to be just a natural thing but as it keeps going the surface dweller will eventually figure it out. With powerfull divinations they'll look for the source as the impact of the volcano destroys more and more of their homelands. Hunger and diseases will thin their lines as much of the harvest will be missing and the ashes in the air cause an ever harder winter than usual. In the end they'll have no other choice as to go to battle or sit back and watch the end of their culture. But they'll have to come to us, marching through the darkness till their hearts are filled with despair. Finally they'll reach our chosen battlefield. And here they shall learn the meaning of terror as we'll raise the fallen warriors and send them back into battle. They'll have to fight their own kin, knowing that everyone that falls might soon be their opponent. *cracks* ...yes...yes....stale lembas...... *cackles* (BTW - the "cracks" are aside - Matron Mother isn't a crack pot - but Stavros is!) ;)
Safti 10-22-03, 10:36 AM	Originally posted by anglar Yes, First Daughter. It's available as a free download on the FR page. I got it from there. I left the spell descriptions at home. I see about working on 3ed versions and hopefully post them on the flipside of yesterday. (God, I love Otis Redding songs) I can also take a look at it sometime this evening [prolly be home a little later in the evening, though] . . . see what else is in there. *grins* The Mythallar would prevent the ash from reaching us. . Right. :embarrass Originally posted by drachentoeter @ anglar I would never do that, now would I. Salothil smirks a little. "Good." @ safti have you ever watched just how much ashes a volcano in real life blows in the air? Um, no, actually, I always got the impression that sooner or later stuff would settle. [The closest I've gotten to experiencing/seeing it was all the forest fires this summer in BC - and we were a good distance away and smoke was everywhere, not just up, so . . .] At first it will appear to be just a natural thing but as it keeps going the surface dweller will eventually figure it out. With powerfull divinations they'll look for the source as the impact of the volcano destroys more and more of their homelands. Hunger and diseases will thin their lines as much of the harvest will be missing and the ashes in the air cause an ever harder winter than usual. In the end they'll have no other choice as to go to battle or sit back and watch the end of their culture. But they'll have to come to us, marching through the darkness till their hearts are filled with despair. Finally they'll reach our chosen battlefield. And here they shall learn the meaning of terror as we'll raise the fallen warriors and send them back into battle. They'll have to fight their own kin, knowing that everyone that falls might soon be their opponent. *grins broadly* "Beauty."
anglar 10-22-03, 07:37 PM	Drach - I firmly believe you'd do whatever was necessary. Just as I would. Matron Mother - I ask that you remeber that all members of your House fear Lloth.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-23-03, 12:44 AM	OK - the next bit is not what I really think of Anglar. What I really think of Anglar is actually very respecting of him. So, no-one take this the wrong way. Matron Mother hears Anglars words. It is too much for her. She has been slapped and verbally assaulted by Anglar already. This time - she wants to shame Anglar - and rub him into the ground - humiliate him. So, she aims to assault Anglars self-hood - to wound his identity. For this purpose, he has given her many clues to build on. Most recently, his eruption in her ante-chamber - more revealing of Anglar than herself. And Matron Mother never forgets insult - insult propels her forwards and is how she derives power. She has already accumulated several insults from her weapons master. And more recently - several from the Table. Plenty of fuel for her rage. She turns her attention onto Anglar - and her face becomes stony and resolute. .....Your sentiments are unimportant. You state that which is already known. You are a self-pitying and self-indulgent fool. In your vanity, you naively conclude that there is no injury or punishment to amplify that which you experience regarding your precious Angelina and your former life. You stupid man. What I know of your family exceeds by far that which you have concealed from me. Lolth is all knowing *she breaks into a cruel smile* And Lolth has shared with me knowledge of my weapons master. If you think you are irreplaceable in my House - you have erred. She strikes her staff heel onto the ground - a dark swirling morass of vomit, stench and abomination opens up before you. You see the piercing multi-faceted eyes of a giant Spider staring at you. Behind the eyes - the promise of unfathomable Suffering - and a huge swollen body - hairy - with giant pincers at the ends of the legs - large enough to hold three men comfortably. The room is filled with radiant stench and fellness - and it is suddenly too dark, even for Drow to see. All is dark except for the glowing eyes of Lolth. The Spider Queen expands her consciousness - and it invades all the Council chambers. There is nowhere to hide.......she is about to talk.... --------------------------- Stavros: The Mythal - or Mythallar - could easily make the Volcanic Ash magically imbued with Magical Darkness. Completing the darkness, so that Drow could walk on the surface world.
Tenzhi 10-23-03, 01:28 AM	Say, wasn't there already a warning about RP in the non-RP boards? :behold:
Silmarien Aldalome 10-23-03, 02:04 AM	Originally posted by Tenzhi Say, wasn't there already a warning about RP in the non-RP boards? :behold: um......let's make sure there's lots of statsy development then. You're right Tenzh-mann. We don't want to make trouble. Some RP - seems to be OK - I think we should cut back a bit though. Trouble is, a Foundation is most engaging when you can 'live' the things you build. It turns into "dry as chips" when it's all statsy. Cheers Sil
Tenzhi 10-23-03, 02:14 AM	Forget I even said anything and RP away. There's nothing that would give me more pleasure than the eradication of the Redundant Elf Foundation. ;) I mean... :behold:
Silmarien Aldalome 10-23-03, 02:17 AM	Originally posted by Tenzhi Forget I even said anything and RP away. There's nothing that would give me more pleasure than the eradication of the Redundant Elf Foundation. ;) I mean... :behold: :behold: :behold: :behold:
anglar 10-23-03, 03:40 AM	I'd bet $100 that Tenzhi loves playing Elves. This kind of venom can only come from true love.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-23-03, 03:46 AM	Yes, it's true Anglar - Tenzhi is a closet Elf-Lover. I'm afraid I know this to be true. After "elf-bane" at Foundations - he goes home and buries his nose in "all-things-elfy" an anthology of elfy-things. Safti: ....Matron Mother glares at you - she is furious. "There is only one thing that is more disgusting than a recalcitrant male - and that is a First Daughter who sits by languidly while her MOTHER is walked all over by males! SAFTI!! KNOW YOUR PLACE YOU ARE A WOMAN! She roars in apotheosis. ;) The Mythal or Mythallar - can have major and minor functions....
Tenzhi 10-23-03, 03:47 AM	Originally posted by anglar I'd bet $100 that Tenzhi loves playing Elves. You're darn right I love slaying elves, but that has nothing to do with this particular venom. The pointless redundancy of the Elven Subrace #22 Foundation is what invokes this particular ire. I'd be just as irritated by a Duergar Foundation or a Humans-in-Loincloths Foundation. I believe I voiced this particular annoyance near the beginning of this thread as well. :behold:
Silmarien Aldalome 10-23-03, 04:03 AM	Originally posted by Tenzhi You're darn right I love slaying elves, but that has nothing to do with this particular venom. The pointless redundancy of the Elven Subrace #22 Foundation is what invokes this particular ire. I'd be just as irritated by a Duergar Foundation or a Humans-in-Loincloths Foundation. I believe I voiced this particular annoyance near the beginning of this thread as well. :behold: mmmmhhhhmmmmm.... yes - i remember your post well - YOU BRAT (gorgeous brat). um....that's why you ....um.....post here - because - um, Foundations that shouldn't exist......should be posted at.... *starts singing* Meta-Temporal Spell Example 5 Roses are red Violets are blue Tenzhi LOVES Elves TOO!! ;) There is a rumble - as tectonic plates shift - and earthquakes all over the planet. Earendil stands forth ...Tenzhi - your place in the Halls of Mandos is assured. Cast aside your raiment of Disguise - and let your Elfy-nesse SHINE OUT....
anglar 10-23-03, 06:55 PM	Nooooooooooooo! Please don't say anything, Lloth, that may give the others some sway over me. Whatever you do, don't tell them my deepest, darkest secret. Luckily, I carry a spare. Go ahead and tell them I'm a farzher, Araushnee. Please. You think to hold over me something that I've never held within my sight at least. It is because of you, Araushnee, that I no longer have any hope, so what do I have to fear? <Turns towards Matron Mother> And you never mention her name like that again. She is something that is foreign to you. She is pure love. I held her in my arms with the means to bring her back to her mortal self, and she chose to save the life of a human instead. She did this knowing that her own parents would die with the casting of this spell. She told me it would be all right. She told me they would understand. I knew she was right. Pluck the strings of my heart if you like. The song will only be a cold one. My place in this house has not changed. I gave my word to defend it and I shall stick to my word, something YOU wouldn't know about. Make no mistakes. I mean it when I say "Inye na qualme." I am Death, but I'm also just. For something constructive - the difference between a Mythal and a mythallar is that a mythal is the big intelligent shield while a mythallar is like a batterythat is used to power a mythal and other high level effects.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-23-03, 07:55 PM	...Silimna listens to the confrontation - and her chest heaves tears in silence. Water runs down her face, and spills on the floor.... Re: Mythallar-Mythal - yes - A "living dark mythal" might be able to adapt to changes as needed....
Kain's avatar 10-24-03, 09:30 PM	*fades in from the shadows* I know a considerable amount about shadow mythallars, perhaps we could make a deal... :smirk: The shadows welcome you... and it's magic is powerful for causing necromantic decay, as you would say it "staleness." *fades into shadows*
anglar 10-24-03, 10:20 PM	Perchance there is a way we can benefit each other. But no gift of this do you make. What is it you ask in return? How can we benefit you?
Silmarien Aldalome 10-25-03, 12:01 AM	Lolth: *turns her eyes on Anglar* *spits a black vitriolic fluid from her mouth - that bubbles and smokes* As the substance strikes your skin, Lolth laughs and says Your Fate is no longer yours to Make - and in all things you will serve me. And by the destruction of your Love I will succeed. You see your daughter (who is a Gold Vampire already - ) turned into an Evil Vampire - by your own resistance of Matron Mother - and then the haunting the descendents of your family by vampires. This vision of Abomination comes to you in most least-expected moments. Sometimes as a dream - where in the underdark, the Vampires are hunting for you. Sometimes, you see yourself clambering for escape - running - but in the back of your mind, there is mocking laughter a Presence that sees you wherever you are. Self-Fulfilling Prophesy (Command) Level: Sor/Wiz 9 Components: V, S, M Casting Time: 1 action Range: Close (25ft + ft / 2 levels) Effect: Works on recipient's most feared Future and causes the recipient to self-fulfil the most feared Future. Duration: Permanent Saving Throw: Will Negates Spell Resistance: Yes Deep within the recesses of everyone's psyche, there are fears worlds - so unimaginably threatening and horrifying, so as to be scarcely contemplatable. This Tomb of Horrors is the focus of this spell - which traces the energy of Fear - which has a particular signature. The Spell caster invades the recipient's mind and locates concealed horrors. Once located, the caster then fuses the recipient's will to this image of fear in a way that compels the recipient to enact a self-fulfilling prophesy when time, place and circumstance permit. It is as compelling as Geas, but more sudden in its impetus. The recipient gets a second will save at the moment of enactment. A successful will at this moment, negates the spell's effects.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-25-03, 12:04 AM	Matron Mother studies the Human - Kain - with steely gaze, and unmoving disposition. She says Take heed - a promise of Potency that is not followed through - will be punished accordingly in this House. What do you propose? She spits the 'what'.
anglar 10-25-03, 12:54 AM	A hammer the size of Anglar slams into the floor of the antechamber, shattering the darkness effect. An apparent human, standing at least 15 feet tall, is now between the visage of Lloth and Anglar. The man draws the hammer from the floor and places it back into his belt, next to what would be a longsword for him. It is only then that one could notice that this "man" is missing his right hand. "I told those years ago, Lloth, that you are to take no direct action against this one. You have your curse against him. One that he dutifully fulfills without word of complaint to me. As for you having Joyliette here and under your sway, that is another lie. Ohgma alone has such knowledge, and I doubt you have secret enough to trade for it. You may have thousands of lifeless leeches waiting in the shadows for him, but they shall fail like all the others. You have seen to that, though unwittingly. Get thee now back into the tempest you scuttled from lest I send one of my own angels to harry you and yours." In a brilliant flash of white light, Tyr vanishes. BAM! Player's Card.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-25-03, 02:07 AM	Anglar - I can either "get a bigger bat" and continue being "the most psycho" (Shar would have stakes in this one - and despise Tyr's intervention). or do you want matron mother to be reduced to a humiliated, subordinated morass.....(i.e. torn robes and matted hair) what do you want? Also, what did you think of the spell I wrote for the foundation? *cracks* ....yes....yes, soon, stale Lembas... Stavros Edit: I should add - that I was rapt when Matron Malice copped it in Dark Elf trilogy. And that I'm happy to go either way. Or would you prefer a surprise?
little black bill 10-25-03, 10:55 AM	May i join the Drow Foundation? I brought food:D
Kain's avatar 10-27-03, 01:48 AM	*Steps out from the Matron Mother's own shadow* ... Such power is not free, it does not come cheaply, nor is it offered to just anyone. *turns and talks with his back facing the Matron Mother, eying Anglar* However, have observed your strengths in this place, deep in the darkness, the shadowy caverns... *pauses and seems to breathe in the shadows like a person would air* ...that you call the Underdark. *turns back to the Matron Mother* We believe you can aid us, and our patron is always looking for allies, especially those who thrive in such places of shadow. Perhaps we could even arrange protection from certain... entities. *glancing at the spot where Tyr manifested on that last word* We currently have a bit of a problem... simply put, although our power is incredible and vast, our numbers are few. We simply do not have the numbers to accomplish some of our goals. We would ask that you aid us in our causes militarily, from time to time, on the surface and down here. As you may already know, our power and our... shall we say, lofty goals, have given us quite a few enemies. Here in the Underdark, the phaerimm thrive and grow strong. I doubt I need to tell you that they are our most hated enemy, the cause of the downfall of most of our race. I would ask that you hunt them, kill them, and keep them trapped down here, and keep track of their numbers and movements. On the surface, we ask that you aid us in "pressuring" certain nations when needed, via attacks and troop movements. We will tell you when, where and how, all you need to do is arrange it. A small price, I would say, for such power. I will await your reply in the shadow plane. *begins to walk away* Just call my name... *trails off saying something inaudibly, with a wicked grin and cocked brow glancing over his shoulder, then becomes shadowy and incorporeal and fades away into nothingness*
drachentoeter 10-27-03, 04:45 AM	Hmm, I thought Anglar would have posted the spell for the volcano by now. So we could tweak it a little and start assembling our shadow mythal. Or maybe Kain's Avatar could do that, since he want's to be the (Imaskari?) ally of the drow providing the knowledge. As Sil said we need to get some stats and development going as this is a non-RP board. I guess I will stay out of it (that is the RP-part) since a human wizard bad boy makes my part in it redundant. Actually I had something else in mind, more along the lines of a evil, that even while it has been destroyed a long time ago, cannot die. Kind of the opposite of true love will never die. But even with a different background it would have come down to the same thing, whispering in the matron mother's ear the secrets and possibilities of a mythal that really spoils the day of the surface dwellers. On a side note I'd suggest that anglar and sil pm each other about the backgroundstory of anglar and matron mother as there is no DM here. It kind of gets out of hands if the gods start battling each other about one lousy mortal. I think that anglar should be a little more careful about not offending matron mother, as this makes her loose face in front of the house. Any mm worth her salt would replace her weapon master immediatly. I also think that sil could cut anglar some slack. After all he does follow every whim of her, even if he's got sometimes a loose tongue. you could just assume he did say that when nobody listened but mm herself. After all he is your sharpest weapon and probably the best weapon master around. I mean how many honest and loyal drow do you know? (Well, except for that infamous dual wielding one...) but hey that's just me and what do I know about it, I'm not even a drow. ;) On another sidenote, thanx guys for the fun I had and the kind words you gave me. I really enjoied the RP with you (in and out of character):bow: :bow: :bow: That was a long post, puuh. Gotta get back to RL now. :eek:
Kain's avatar 10-27-03, 04:55 AM	Volcanoes is what you want, is it? I know of such spells. Here is a conversion of my own: Mavin's Create Volcano Transmutation Spellcraft DC: 69 Components: V,S,M,XP Casting Time: 1 day, 11 minutes Range: 15,000 feet Area: 2,000 foot cone Duration: Permanent Saving Throw: None Spell Resistance: No To Develop: 621,000 gp, 13 days, 24,840 XP. Seed: Transform (DC 21). Factors: Change target to 40 foot cone (+10 DC), Increase area to 2,000 foot cone (+200 DC), Increase range to 15,000 feet (+100 DC). Mitigating factors: Burn 10,000 XP (-100 DC), Increase casting time to 1 day, 11 minutes (-22 DC), Expensive and rare components (ad hoc -50), 40d6 backlash damage (-40 DC), Very long time to manifest (ad hoc -50). This spell does just what it sounds like, creates a volcano. As soon as it is cast it creates a minor earthquake in the area. Within a week, ash and steam will be pouring through the earth, and within a month, a full 2,000 foot active, erupting volcano will be in the target area. This volcano is slightly below average size by volcano standards, but as it constantly erupts, it will grow even larger on it's own lava. The volcano will only stay active for as many years as the caster has levels unless a Mythallar is placed in the center before the volcano has passed it's first year. Material Components: A mantle of sewn diamonds that is enchanted as per a Ring of Elemental Immunity(fire), and a Helm of Brilliance, which are consumed upon casting. A Mythallar is optional. (see text above) This was a 10th level Netherese spell in 2e. I've already got some of the Mythallar's stats and such, need to finish it and need some input too.
anglar 10-27-03, 05:57 PM	Kain's Avatar - thanks you very much for doing the write-up on the volcano spell. I had a very busy weekend in my 2E game. Drach and Sil - I agree that we probably need to get back to more game developments. I apologize to any who haven't liked mine and Sil's episodes. I just like to show that this MUNCHKIN can roleplay too. Sil - Love that spell. It is absolutely evil and maybe should have that descriptor added to it. I'd also either make it Clerical or at least within the Evil Domain so that Drow Priestesses can cast it. Little Black Bill - Be welcomed. Be forwarned. Be prepared. Simply let me know whether you desire to be known as a Son of the House or would simply like to participate as others do. You are free to choose whatever you like.
Safti 10-27-03, 07:29 PM	'kay, it's about darn time I said something. In reverse chronological order: Anglar: hiya! *wave* Kain: <3 for the spell. Really. I was looking at that thing, thinking, "Man. I couldn't convert that if I had to." Can we tell I've only played 3rd Ed? ;) It looks great. Bill: Hi there! Sil: Self-fulfilling Prophecy: Beauty. I also think that it should be clerical . . . I am reluctant to call it evil, but I'm not sure why . . . Her eyes narrow a little, and the tiniest of smiles crosses her face. "Matron. I only hold back because I thought that you can more than take care of yourself. I have, as far as I can tell, yet to be proved wrong in such matters." She gestures vaguely, then asks with detatchment, "Do you feel too weak to stand on your own?" ;)
Silmarien Aldalome 10-27-03, 07:32 PM	Thank you Anglar and Safti - I needed to hear that - and appreciate the feedback. Cheers Stavros Kain's Avatar - also thank you for the role-play support. Cheers Sil I'll be back at lunch time..... :bow:
Kain's avatar 10-28-03, 09:55 PM	Just a quick post before sleep time, greetings all. Bill: Welcome. drachentoeter: Hi, good post, good ideas. anglar: No problem. ;) Safti: You are quite welcome, and thanks. :) Silmarien: Anytime. :D So, on this Shadow Mythallar, what kind of effects are we looking for? Aside from the aformentioned "stale lembas" madness. ;)
anglar 10-28-03, 11:00 PM	I believe we are looking for something that will hedge out beings against what we stand for firstly. Anything with a G in the alignment would be barred from entering the city without a special "pass key." The "Pass Keys" or whatever we call them could have certain levels which allow for use of other powers. The mythal would attack anything that attempted to breech the barrier via a spell. It would also prevent teleportation into it or out of it without a pass key. Powers allowed strictly to Nobles would be "Detect Thoughts", "Know Alignment", and other of that ilk. Nobles would also be immune to those powers if used by one of lesser standing (males [general] < females [general] < male [House Wizard] < females [clerics] < Matron Mothers) These powers are usable in the common areas of the city and within one's own House, but not the House of another family unless that family is 9th House or lower. I'll post others as they come up. Anyone else is free to mention things they like to see in this as well.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-29-03, 01:48 AM	Originally posted by anglar I believe we are looking for something that will hedge out beings against what we stand for firstly. Anything with a G in the alignment would be barred from entering the city without a special "pass key." The "Pass Keys" or whatever we call them could have certain levels which allow for use of other powers. The mythal would attack anything that attempted to breech the barrier via a spell. It would also prevent teleportation into it or out of it without a pass key. Powers allowed strictly to Nobles would be "Detect Thoughts", "Know Alignment", and other of that ilk. Nobles would also be immune to those powers if used by one of lesser standing (males [general] < females [general] < male [House Wizard] < females [clerics] < Matron Mothers) These powers are usable in the common areas of the city and within one's own House, but not the House of another family unless that family is 9th House or lower. I'll post others as they come up. Anyone else is free to mention things they like to see in this as well. Hey nice!!! Good stuff - cheers sil
KyrandIceheart 10-29-03, 07:34 PM	Hmmm... While I will choose not to join in your RP, I will include myself among thee. Anyone who cares enough to want a description of the storyline and such of my fairly unique counterpart are encouraged to ask through AIM or e-mail.
anglar 10-29-03, 09:33 PM	Welcome, guest of Opele Va' Esse. We are glad to have you here. Anything Drow that you wish to discuss is most appreciated here. While we may get a little heavy in RP, we do strive for the advancement of Drow playing in individual campaigns. Anything you can add will only makes us better as players.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-29-03, 10:42 PM	Originally posted by KyrandIceheart Hmmm... While I will choose not to join in your RP, I will include myself among thee. Anyone who cares enough to want a description of the storyline and such of my fairly unique counterpart are encouraged to ask through AIM or e-mail. Yes, greetings KyrandIceheart - welcome then. We're currently making Dark Mythals. Please join in. Cheers Sil
Kain's avatar 10-30-03, 12:04 AM	Hello everyone, greetings KyrandIceheart. I have an epic spell I made in 3e in an attempt to convert Lefeber's Weave Mythal, a 2e 10th level Netherese spell. Needless to say it was difficult and I couldn't get it to work as well as the original when using a single caster. However, it would probably make a good base start for ideas and such for making an epic spell version of a Mythal spell that used multiple casters, so here it is: Lefeber's Weave Mythal Abjuration Spellcraft DC: 80 Components: V,S,M,XP Casting Time: 3 days, 11 minutes Range: Touch Area: 1000 foot radius Duration: Permanent Saving Throw: none Spell Resistance: Yes To Develop: Seed: Ward (DC 14). Factors: Change area to 20 foot radius(+2 DC), Increase size to 1000 feet (+200 DC), Add 5 of any spell effects up to 6th level (+60 DC), Permanent (x5 DC). Mitigating factors: Burn 25,000 XP (-250 DC), 50d6 backlash damage (-50 DC), Increase casting time to 3 days 11 minutes (-26 DC), Artifact to focus spell on (ad hoc -1000 DC). This spell creates an invisible sphere of magical force that has several effects. First, it prevents anyone and anything from entering unless they have/know the "key" that is desiganted by the caster at the time of casting, or allowed by the caster. This can be anything, a song, a password, a special item, a rune, ect. Also, the caster can attach 5 different spell effects of any spell he/she knows up to 6th level. Example: The caster could attach a Chain Lighting spell the strikes anyone who trys to enter that doesnt know/have the key. Or the caster could attach a flying spell inside that activates on the spoken word of "fly" or any trigger. This was a 10th level Netherese spell in 2e. I really had to stretch it to get this one to work... alternatively you could make each casting unique and add +2 DC (before the x5 for permanent)for each level of the spell effect to add, this can reduce the DC quite a bit if you only use lower level spells like fireball, magic missile, ect. I got the idea of a Artifact for focus from The Sorcerer, where Everaska's mythal is focused on the ancient statue of an elven god, that's the only way I could get the DC down to an acceptible level. Of course any of these can be brought down to castable level by using extra casters instead/also. If we used this as sort of a base and made this unique casting with multiple casters, it could end up similar to Myth Drannors Mythal, except Shadow magic, and designed for evil and drow purposes. :smirk: Alternatively, I could re-write the spell and fix it for a single caster, I'll just have to add a ton of mitigating factors and spell effects, but I think I could get it to work somehow.
Silmarien Aldalome 10-30-03, 08:00 PM	....11 minutes... :rofl: - you are very precise my friend.... I like it - well structured, and worded, and you're clearly skilled in the area. I like the basic idea - and think it should have multiple casters too. If we used this as sort of a base and made this unique casting with multiple casters, it could end up similar to Myth Drannors Mythal, except Shadow magic, and designed for evil and drow purposes Yes..... And I'd love to see some "living" or "weave-process" higher functions in a Dark Mythal too. By this, a Mythal "modifies into Weave" - it's not just a channeling of raw magic - I've been giving this some thought - and will post one myself - Cheers Sil
anglar 10-31-03, 05:46 PM	I'm in a great mood today. I got to see my son for the first time in almost three months. I'll be clipping little song bits into all my posts today. Hope I don't annoy anyone too much. "It's a beautiful morning!"
Silmarien Aldalome 11-01-03, 09:04 PM	Originally posted by anglar I'm in a great mood today. I got to see my son for the first time in almost three months. I'll be clipping little song bits into all my posts today. Hope I don't annoy anyone too much. "It's a beautiful morning!" "Good morning Star Shine..." May the reunion be a celebration to be remembered - and rediscovery of your son. He will never forget dad. *looks around* woops - wrong foundation.... *rearranges clothing - gets Drow outfit*
aravilar_holistacia 11-02-03, 08:37 PM	I will admit that I am reluctant to ask, but in the interest of good relations between the Harpers and drow I will post this remark. The Harper Foundation is searching for Those Who Harp to join as the Foundation's High Harpers. Silmarien Aldalome is now the fifth High Harper. There are only five High Harper positions left. I will now limit the applicants to the leaders of the foundation of the races because we need to have a good representation of the peoples of the Realms. The standings are now as follows: #00001 Taeleraed_Saahdel (currently has not replied) #00002 Aravilar_Holistacia #00003 Gellion #00004 Mr. Waesel #00005 Silmarien Aldalome After I have consolidated the High Harpers, I will be accepting Harpers to the foundation. PS: To the Drow Foundation leader: I have reserved a place for you on the High Harpers' council due to your status as the Drow Foundation founding member. Please post to the Harper Foundation board in the Faerunian Organizations forum to reserve this spot.
anglar 11-03-03, 08:36 PM	Unlike our reputation, we are very much accpeting of others here. You simply have to return the favor. Actually the most blood spilt here has been my own by my hands.
Safti 11-04-03, 01:07 AM	[edit: restated something already said. it might've been witty, but no. excuse, going to bed to dream of drow . . .]
Silmarien Aldalome 11-04-03, 07:28 PM	Originally posted by Safti [edit: restated something already said. it might've been witty, but no. excuse, going to bed to dream of drow . . .] Greetings First Daughter. Greetings Anglar *smiles*
anglar 11-04-03, 07:45 PM	Originally posted by Silmarien Aldalome Greetings First Daughter. Greetings Anglar *smiles* She gets italics. I get plain old type. I see how things are around here. ;)
aravilar_holistacia 11-04-03, 07:50 PM	Yeah, that's how Sil is. Can't even say hi to me though!
Safti 11-04-03, 07:56 PM	:smirk: Hello, Matron. *winks at Anglar and Aravilar*
anglar 11-04-03, 08:07 PM	I guess that's what we get for being ruled by the Women, not that I'm openly complaining.
Silmarien Aldalome 11-04-03, 08:30 PM	Originally posted by aravilar_holistacia Yeah, that's how Sil is. Can't even say hi to me though! Nonsense - greetings Aravilar!!!! :bow: Saft is upset with Matron Mother..... Sil
Safti 11-04-03, 09:01 PM	Originally posted by Silmarien Aldalome Saft is upset with Matron Mother..... Meep! No, not at all! :) Have I missed a memo or something?
Silmarien Aldalome 11-04-03, 11:37 PM	Originally posted by anglar I guess that's what we get for being ruled by the Women, not that I'm openly complaining. *goes all cuoy* *feet shuffle* - yep - that's me - all woman ;) ...matron mother simmers in her room plotting revenge......her eyes are afire with malice and vindictive thoughts..... Silimna scries Matron Mother and her heart beat goes up - then she sees Anglar - the target of Matron Mother's fury. Silimna's eyes widen in terror....
Tenzhi 11-04-03, 11:47 PM	I just had an interesting thought... I wonder if any Drow families keep around Diapers of Femininity/Masculinity...
anglar 11-05-03, 12:10 AM	Originally posted by Silmarien Aldalome ...matron mother simmers in her room plotting revenge......her eyes are afire with malice and vindictive thoughts..... Silimna scries Matron Mother and her heart beat goes up - then she sees Anglar - the target of Matron Mother's fury. Silimna's eyes widen in terror.... I think I'll settle down with a nice hot bath. I hope no one tries anything while I'm such a vulnerable position. No weapon within my arm's reach, what am I thinking? :smirk:
Safti 11-05-03, 12:19 AM	Originally posted by Silmarien Aldalome *goes all cuoy* *feet shuffle* - yep - that's me - all woman ;) *pregnant pause* *collapses into giggles* Originally posted by Tenzhi I just had an interesting thought... I wonder if any Drow families keep around Diapers of Femininity/Masculinity... Ahahahahaha! *wipes away tear* Ahem. . . . I would imagine Lloth would get pretty ticked, knowing that there was a 'false female' within a house. But still! That's the Best Image Ever. Cloth diapers with glowing runes on . . . self-cleaning, of course . . . Originally posted by anglar I think I'll settle down with a nice hot bath. I hope no one tries anything while I'm such a vulnerable position. No weapon within my arm's reach, what am I thinking? :smirk: "I did that once . . . I came to with the murderer of my lover within arm's reach, while I was chained to the wall. It went downhill from there. Excuse me, I have to go practise my shooting now." *exits gracefully, smiling innocently*
Tenzhi 11-05-03, 12:25 AM	Of course, they would have to come in adult size, too... to humiliate and get rid of senile Matron Mothers (an appropriately redundant phrase, BTW).
Safti 11-05-03, 12:28 AM	:smirk: Indeed.
anglar 11-05-03, 12:37 AM	Better not let Matron Mother hear you. She may have a new target for her wrath.
Safti 11-05-03, 12:44 AM	*exudes innocence* *takes shots at the nervous-looking target* *smirks, growls: "Stop shaking. I meant to do that."*
Tenzhi 11-05-03, 12:49 AM	Originally posted by anglar Better not let Moatron Mother hear you. She may have a new target for her wrath. Was that directed at me? The Elf-Bane fears no elf - especially not one that worships a pathetic demon with powerful delusions of godhood.
anglar 11-05-03, 01:06 AM	Originally posted by Tenzhi Was that directed at me? The Elf-Bane fears no elf - especially not one that worships a pathetic demon with powerful delusions of godhood. Yet you bark. Not being afraid of something does not mean it can't hurt you. I'm not afraid of death, yet one day it will claim me. One day.
Silmarien Aldalome 11-05-03, 01:13 AM	To Safti - false female - me - never - I'm all WOMAN! I am woman hear me roar in numbers too big too ignore...... *trips on chair on way out....*
Tenzhi 11-05-03, 01:15 AM	The Elf-Bane bested Death millennia ago. If he barks it is because he is the divine representation of the oldest, most crotchety and cantankerous (and occasionally zen) Old Man in the omniverse.
Safti 11-05-03, 01:23 AM	Originally posted by Silmarien Aldalome To Safti - false female - me - never - I'm all WOMAN! I am woman hear me roar in numbers too big too ignore...... *trips on chair on way out....* I never accused you of being anything but, Matron. :angel:
Kethrywin 11-05-03, 05:51 PM	Greetings and well-met. My name is Khalithra Silverarm, and I was once a follower of Eillistraee. Due to circumstances of her own choosing, Eillistraee is now banned from the world that I live in. She and my sister clerics gave their lives to save the twin moons from being shattered, during the apocolyptic war of the gods, which nearly destroyed the world that I live on. I would gladly have given my life as well, and joined them in their dance to fuse the two moons into one, thus saving the twin goddesses from being destroyed. Eillistraee however, barred me from the dance. This, I later learned, was because I was with child - my daughter Kelzanelie. Kel is only half drow, although the only way to tell that is by her bright green eyes. In all other ways, she appears to be drow. Without a god to follow, perhaps I would have retired quietly, to raise my daughter in peace. (or at least as much peace as her interfering father will give me) After all, after laboring to save an entire world from destruction, what is left? Especially since my beloved Goddess was gone from the world. However, after the battle - after the gods we fought with and for had won, there were empty places - places without gods. These places allowed room for new gods to be born. Salamondre was one such god. He gained power over Life, Death and Rebirth. There is a lengthy story behind this, which I won't relate here - but before his ascension to godhood, he was a bard, who sought power over death, by tapping into a force which he termed "The song, undying". Salamondre came to me, as I stood there after the battle - after the death of my Goddess - and asked that I take the role of the head of his followers. It was very difficult, and I did not step into the role right away - but when a God asks you personally for something, it's a difficult thing to refuse. And in many ways Salamondre is not so different from Eillistraee. I like to think that she would be pleased; that her teachings have led me to my own path along the Song Undying. Now I live safely on the surface with my daughter. No longer hiding in the woods. Many know my name and my reputation as a Lifesinger of Salamondre. But still, at times I mourn my Goddess. And at times I worry for those of my race still left in the dark places, in the belly of the world. Those still under Lolth's power... So. Shall I be welcome amongst your foundation? Myself and my daughter?
Silmarien Aldalome 11-05-03, 06:02 PM	..Silimna - has some Elven Blood - she is distantly related to Silmarien Half-Elven. She leads an invisible life in the Underdark - where Matron Mother rules with violence, fear, shame and in service to Lolth - in all things. But - Silimna weeps - for all the death, violence and devastation. Her heart is filled with Corellan's love. And unlike her fellows - at night time, she uses her power to watch the surface world. She sees the arrival of the green-eyed Drow - and her child, and she cries in agony of knowledge. Silimna cannot allow these two to be sacrificed by the ruthless violence of Drow. As you struggle in the passageways with your child - avoiding violence and danger - Silimna pounces from the Darkness and stands before you. Her eyes are bright and burn with blue dweomer - that you can see very easily in the Dark. "You will have succour with us - I have watche you - you are in danger here - where Lolth is ruler. You must learn our Wyrding and walk in the space between words - where you will be safe" You're very welcome here - :bow: - greetings.... Stavros
anglar 11-05-03, 07:16 PM	Anglar watches the meeting from a perch high in the cavern ceiling. "What part do you truly play in all this Silimna?" he thinks to himself. House Opele Va' Esse' is no place for this child. She is as likely to be sacrificed to Lloth as she is to be welcomed. I shall have to contact my grandfather. I'm sure he'd welcome the patter of new feet in his home. "How to make my entrance without causing alarm? Perhaps forward is the best approach seeing as how time is of the essence ." Anglar swoops down from his perch and approaches. "Fear not. I come with similar intent. You will find our halls most welcoming to you, but i fear your daughter may be in more danger here than from where you have traveled. I can make arrangements for her to stay with my grandfather, Maxa de Melee'yon. Matron Mother will notice mine and Silimna's absence and recquire explanation. Your presence will suffice. We best tarry here no longer. Welcome to "our " home if you accept. I can send your daughter now and you if you like. You may return later at your leisure" Anglar prepares the necessary spell for the teleportation. "I wonder if Joiliette's eyes are green like mine or gold, like her mother's."
KyrandIceheart 11-05-03, 07:28 PM	From the shadows of treetops hidden by the new moon, a silent figure floats to the ground by the newly arrived pair. Slightly taller than the average drow, his hair flows down to his shoulders, joining his white eyes in the stark contrast of his skin. A pair of black feathered wings fold themselves behind his bare back as he takes a knee before them. "Let it comfort you," he signs in the silent language of the hands, "to know that while I yet breathe, no harm shall come to those who still have life before them, " his eyes float to the child, "or those who would protect and teach them," he finished, those stark white orbs floating to the mother. With a soft breeze, he is aloft once again, returning to his silent guardianship over his chosen home.. and people.
Kethrywin 11-06-03, 11:19 AM	Khalithra looks at each of you with calm, silver-gray eyes. Then she smiles slowly, and there is no sign of fear or malice. "I thank you for your welcome, it means much. We will not be staying long in your halls. Our home is in the sunlight - But I felt it important that Kelzanelie see where she comes from, so that she knows where she's going. So that she knows her place in the Song Undying.
Getarnal_the_Drow 11-06-03, 04:52 PM	"I am sorry for my recent absence my brothers, I had many things to deal with to advance the Drow." "I wish for one of my allies to help me, for I have been cursed by a mage from the surface. I now fear the full moon on the surface, for that spells doom for all that are near me. Most of the time I can control it, but at this one time I cannot."
anglar 11-06-03, 05:38 PM	Fear not Gerternal. I'm sure Matron Mother will see that you are attended to in your time of need. How goes your advancments of our city? I trust they are well. New Topic: How, if at all, is your game dealing with Lloth's Silence. I haven't had to deal with it in my game as of yet. If I do, I'll probably go with the whole"She's not answering prayers."
Silmarien Aldalome 11-06-03, 07:37 PM	I wish for one of my allies to help me, for I have been cursed by a mage from the surface. I now fear the full moon on the surface, for that spells doom for all that are near me. Most of the time I can control it, but at this one time I cannot ....Silimna eyes Getarnal grimly. "We are in danger while this curse remains. It is beyond my power to reverse - for it is effected by the Dweomer of Abmoination. Her sight turns inwards - you can see for a moment. My Cousin - Silmarien (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=1773283#post1773283) - is the Keeper of the Great Peredhil Stone. She resides at Half-Elven Halls. This Stone channels from the Two Trees of Moon and Sun at The Elven Fortress of Formeno Naúrë (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55582) - the Great City of Elves. Your Anwswer will Arrive thence. At Half-Elven halls - you may ask any Question you would - from the Meta-Temporal Portal - where the Benign Collective will Hear You and Answer. Thence return here - where our Fires burn in waiting.
LizardRider 11-07-03, 07:32 PM	can i join the Drow Foundation?:confused:
anglar 11-07-03, 08:24 PM	Certainly. Would you like to become a member of the family (son or Daughter), a guest, or some other role? The choice is yours.
LizardRider 11-07-03, 08:34 PM	Originally posted by anglar Certainly. Would you like to become a member of the family (son or Daughter), a guest, or some other role? The choice is yours. What do you mean member of the family, guest, or other role? :confused:
anglar 11-07-03, 08:52 PM	You may become a member of the house by accpeting the title of Son or Daughter of Opele Va' Esse' (Our House name), being a guest (which means you are a member who is not in the family), or other role (I am Weaponsmaster of Opele Va' Esse'). Roles which are available are House Wizard and Master of Defense. The Master of Defense is in charge of the general defense of the House and is subordinate to myself. I am in charge of the individual training of the sons of the House, the officers of the House Guard, and the Daughters as they like. You are free to chose whichever you wish.
LizardRider 11-07-03, 09:03 PM	Originally posted by anglar You may become a member of the house by accpeting the title of Son or Daughter of Opele Va' Esse' (Our House name), being a guest (which means you are a member who is not in the family), or other role (I am Weaponsmaster of Opele Va' Esse'). Roles which are available are House Wizard and Master of Defense. The Master of Defense is in charge of the general defense of the House and is subordinate to myself. I am in charge of the individual training of the sons of the House, the officers of the House Guard, and the Daughters as they like. You are free to chose whichever you wish. Thanks anglar. I would love to be a Son of House Opele Va'Esse. Is our House Part of Menzoberranzan or the other Drow city (can't remember name at moment)? Please reply soon Weapons Master.
anglar 11-07-03, 09:28 PM	Unless I've missed someone, which is quite possible, then be welcome as the 11th son of Opele Va' Esse' (translation: House of No Name). Don't get married to the idea of 11th son just yet. I need to go back though the thread and make sure I haven't given it out yet. If I have then I'll PM you and inform you of the change.
anglar 11-10-03, 06:15 PM	Good Day, House Members and Guests. How fare thee? I no one out there even has Lloth in their respective campaigns. Must make it easy to deal with her being silent or not. Oh well, if you overlooked it, but would like to answer now, I'm still interested.
Silmarien Aldalome 11-10-03, 07:09 PM	G'day Anglar - hope you've been well. May the Elanor grow wherever your feet walk. Silimna: ....Matron Mother broods long in her chambers Anglar - I fear for our House....she is planning something, I'm sure of it.....
anglar 11-10-03, 07:54 PM	Fear not, Silmna. Matron Mother is brooding only because she has come to realize that Lloth has forsaken all Drow for a time, so that only those who are worthy of her favor survive. The bloodflow will be great, to be sure. When the dust settles, few will remain. For all the fluster, For all the bluster, For all the wrath she can muster, It's not worth a crust or Slice of bread For all the whining For all the dining For all the clerics divining And what the symbols are signing Can be said. Through all the lies, Through all the cries, Though the how's and why's Still Matron Mother denies We're all dead.
Silmarien Aldalome 11-10-03, 08:15 PM	Matron Mother hatred reviled - is love defiled forever malice - the poison chalice a radiant illness - the evil stillness forsaken kindred - abandon weakness pour acid on - the wounded kinship thence break the bonds - that hold together rend love with fire - break warmth with ire shame the weak - stomp on them in defeat destroy all hope - despair thence to provoke only in hatred - and anger boling will our success - be ensured in knowing for when the kind - do strike in heat we know then that - despair it beats our Goddess Unholy - Lolth's violence fully is all our Knowing - thence all we sully forget your love - it brings you pain embrace your hate - bring down as rain OK - that's Matron Mother's Mantra..... ...it radiates throughout Drow Halls - echoes in every cranny....
aravilar_holistacia 11-10-03, 10:01 PM	What's this I hear about a war vs. the dwarves and half-orcs? I will firmly say that the Harpers are not involved in such an outrage, nor will any of its members be... I hope. Only when this war threatens the surface world, and the people of Faerun proper, will we commit any kind of aid to either side. Hey all... :D Aravilar
anglar 11-10-03, 10:12 PM	To my knowledge there have been no discussions of a war between the Drow of this house and any other race save what we regularly suffer from the other Houses. If you are referring to what is going on in Salvatore's latest book, then I can explain a little more.
aravilar_holistacia 11-10-03, 10:16 PM	Check the boards of your fatal allies, the Gnomes, lord Drow. Aravilar
anglar 11-10-03, 10:24 PM	Originally posted by aravilar_holistacia Check the boards of your fatal allies, the Gnomes, lord Drow. Aravilar Gnomes Thread? I wasn't aware such a thing existed. I can assure you that no gnome speaks for this House.
aravilar_holistacia 11-11-03, 09:53 PM	Originally posted on the Gnome Foundation boards Attention, elf killer 32: As leader of the Gnome Foundation, I have decided that we will not yet go to war with the kobolds, nor will we formerly join the dwarven war against the drow. The Dwarf Foundation, which I am a member of, has already declared war on the drow. In fact, I had planned to ask aid from the half-orcs once the war had started. The Gnome Foundation may join in the war effort, but not yet. Thank you. I am glad the Half-Orc Foundation agrees with what was to be our (i.e., the Dwarf Foundation's) proposal. That's the info in our friends' boards. [aravilar]
aravilar_holistacia 11-11-03, 09:57 PM	Hey Anglar: May I become an honorary member of the Drow Foundation. I hope by this decree we will bring the drow and elves closer together, not to mention the races of Faerun themselves. Thanks [aravilar]
anglar 11-11-03, 10:02 PM	Firstly, let the Dwarves come. The journey into the Underdark alone will thin their number enough. By the time they get here the Dark Mythal should be up and the attack will be for naught. Secondly, would the title "Ambassador of the Surface Elves" suit you? I'm only a quarter Drow myself.
aravilar_holistacia 11-11-03, 10:08 PM	The title suits me perfectly. I will hold it proudly. The Dark Mythal, you say? Pray tell me more (hey! Archmage of ELVEN HIGH MAGIC), good drow! *Shudder* Good-drow? Oxymoronic statement! Or is it? Eilistraee, CG.... [aravilar]
Safti 11-11-03, 10:37 PM	Originally posted by aravilar_holistacia *Shudder* Good-drow? Oxymoronic statement! Or is it? Eilistraee, CG.... *sneer* "Eilistraee is a deviant and a fool. The only good Good drow is a dead one." . . . now that my alter ego is done snarking, I will admit that the only reason I didn't kill my DM for cheese when he threw a CG drow archer at my CN drow PC was because the guy was from Morrowind . . . I dunno, I prefer my drow evil or at least questionable. :devil: I will admit that their lifespans [just like an elf's] can allow for some major lifestyle changes, though.
anglar 11-11-03, 11:09 PM	It's this thing we came up with here. We translated some of the old Netheril spells into 3rd edition and came up with the effects. There a few pages back.
Silmarien Aldalome 11-12-03, 01:20 AM	G'day Safti, Ang, Aarvaarilllarri - quick Post to touch base - Re: Dark Mythal ...yes.....yes.....soon.....our Hatred will mean that .....we have no friends..... ;) I LOVE YOU ALL Sil
anglar 11-12-03, 07:24 PM	Having done a bit of recon for the "war" that may be coming our way, I find it interesting that thet dwarves were so easily riled at the sig of one who is amonst our ranks as well. Fear not members and guests of the House, soon all that they try will be thwarted by our grander scheme. Let those who would come here in search of blood find plenty. Their own, of course.
Silmarien Aldalome 11-13-03, 12:43 AM	Originally posted by anglar Having done a bit of recon for the "war" that may be coming our way, I find it interesting that thet dwarves were so easily riled at the sig of one who is amonst our ranks as well. Fear not members and guests of the House, soon all that they try will be thwarted by our grander scheme. Let those who would come here in search of blood find plenty. Their own, of course. :rofl: - ...yes....yes....even grander grand grand scheme....lembas....yes...
LizardRider 11-13-03, 12:59 AM	Ellistrae is the only Dark elven goddess in my eyes. :angel: :teach:
anglar 11-13-03, 01:00 AM	Originally posted by Silmarien Aldalome :rofl: - ...yes....yes....even grander grand grand scheme....lembas....yes... One Lemba to feed them all.
LizardRider 11-13-03, 01:12 AM	Originally posted by LizardRider Ellistrae is the only Dark elven goddess in my eyes. :angel: :teach: I can't Believe i spelled my own goddess' name wrong. Blasphemy upon my head!!!:OMG! :censored: :looloo:
Kethrywin 11-13-03, 02:35 PM	Speaking as the player of two good aligned drow I can tell you that the roleplaying opportunities for them are better than they would be for a typical evil drow. Especially when they run into surface elves. Khalithra and her party just rescued the high priest of Corellon from a drow sacrifice.. as well as closing a permanent gate from the Demonweb pit to our world. Now that was fun! However due to this great new spell in the Book of Hallowed Might called Grant Quarter (Bonds of Mercy) I will have two drow prisoners when I get home that I haven't quite figured out what to do with... Although I'm damn sure they're better off with Khalithra than where they were when I found them.
Silmarien Aldalome 11-13-03, 05:28 PM	Originally posted by anglar One Lembas to feed them all. One Dark Mythal to Rule all the Ovens One Dark Mythal to Find Lembas One Dark Mythal to Blow in the Air And in Staleness Ruin Them *manic cackles heard all throughout the The House* - Greetings Anglar - the Defensive Mythal? Where are we at? Sil
Getarnal_the_Drow 11-13-03, 05:37 PM	My Brothers, I believe that the imminant attack of the dwarves may be related to my failed attempt at assasination many months ago.
LizardRider 11-13-03, 05:47 PM	Originally posted by Getarnal_the_Drow My Brothers, I believe that the imminant attack of the dwarves may be related to my failed attempt at assasination many months ago. Dwarves are not the worst race ever. If you want to destroy a race, half-orcs should not live. KILL THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :fight!: :devil: :hoppingma :headexplo
Gellion 11-13-03, 05:50 PM	Originally posted by LizardRider Dwarves are not the worst race ever. If you want to destroy a race, half-orcs should not live. KILL THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :fight!: :devil: :hoppingma :headexplo Orcy would kill you before you could even lift a finger.
anglar 11-13-03, 05:50 PM	Originally posted by Getarnal_the_Drow My Brothers, I believe that the imminant attack of the dwarves may be related to my failed attempt at assasination many months ago. That will be dealt with in due time, 2nd Son. Your failure shall be your punishment. Let it not be your undoing. Whence The First Daughter returns from her travels, we shall erect our pillar of defense and watch the dwarves squash themselves against it. Firstly, gather all the poorest wine and ales and set them 1000 yards from our city's border. Be sure to include a few dozen rothes slowly roasting over fires and breads and cheeses. How could the dwarves pass up such a feast? Let them come. LTBHTF!: :devil:
LizardRider 11-13-03, 05:56 PM	DESTROY ALL ORCS AND HALF-ORCS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Damn Halfbreeds. :fight!: :devil: :hoppingma :headexplo :censored:
anglar 11-13-03, 05:59 PM	Originally posted by LizardRider Dwarves are not the worst race ever. If you want to destroy a race, half-orcs should not live. KILL THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :fight!: :devil: :hoppingma :headexplo Check yourself, LR! I'll not have all the races of the Realms down on this House because of the hot-headedness of the boys. There is more than enough within our own walls to satiate your thirst blood or dominance. Do you forget how we gain the advantage? Perhaps it is for this that our Women rule us? At least they can show the patience to wait until time time is right for the strike. OOC - LizardRider - you REALLY need to delete the massages in your sent and recieved boxes so you can get more PM's
Safti 11-13-03, 06:04 PM	*smirk* Well said, Weaponsmaster. *bows swiftly to the Matron* Has the time come to make use of the Mythal?
Silmarien Aldalome 11-13-03, 06:23 PM	Originally posted by anglar Check yourself, LR! I'll not have all the races of the Realms down on this House because of the hot-headedness of the boys. There is more than enough within our own walls to satiate your thirst blood or dominance. Do you forget how we gain the advantage? Perhaps it is for this that our Women rule us? At least they can show the patience to wait until time time is right for the strike. Matron Mother studies Anglar very very carefully at these words. Her face settles into a stony and immutable stare. After 60 seconds - she says to herself "he is lying - the mask of deferrence disguises a deep wish to usurp our Station". She turns her attention to Safti "Safti - may the Ritual of Fertility long entertain you - and whence you return - my Throne will be made the stronger". *sees all the fightin' words - re: Dwarves and Orcs* "The Weapons Master's wish for Defence - in our Mythal - is our Purpose - the spilling of blood is uncecessary"
anglar 11-13-03, 06:33 PM	Unlike most Drow, I am quite blunt when I threaten, but then again, I don't threaten. I kill. Read whatever you wish from my words, Matron Mother. Simply remember that I hold true to my station as Defender of this House. OOC - Guys, we seriously need to put an end to all the "war" talk. I don't think anybody wants the Wizo's coming in and putting an end to this and/or other foundations because we've gotten a little over zealous and start a multi-thread flame war. You know they'll just blame us anyway. We're the Drow. We the bad guys. I knew there was a reason I liked Cobra and the Deceptecons more. :D
LizardRider 11-13-03, 06:33 PM	I will watch my tongue in the future. I bow to thee Matron Mother of House Opele Va' Esse.
Silmarien Aldalome 11-13-03, 06:51 PM	Originally posted by anglar Unlike most Drow, I am quite blunt when I threaten, but then again, I don't threaten. I kill. Read whatever you wish from my words, Matron Mother. Simply remember that I hold true to my station as Defender of this House. And like all men Anglar - you cannot resist the temptation to best the other. *scratches own head - as me (man) one-ups* Originally posted by Stav...After 60 seconds - she says to herself "he is lying - the mask of deferrence disguises a deep wish to usurp our Station". And - thence thou revealeth thine secrets - as thou "best". *Matron Mother incants suddenly - and The Daughters of the House en-join in Ritual Magic* My Thoughts My Own - You cannot See Them You shall not Scry - mine Hopes Deceive Them Your Sight is Lost - into Mine Chambers You will not Touch - My Mental Agents From this Time Forward - when I do Think It You will not See - in Overt Action What you will Play - is what I Show You Thence Game is Fair - our Dance shall Know this *Pokes tongue out at Anglar*
LizardRider 11-13-03, 06:59 PM	Ah, very good Matron Mother *claps politely* that showed him. sorry weapons master
anglar 11-13-03, 07:17 PM	Originally posted by Silmarien Aldalome My Thoughts My Own - You cannot See Them You shall not Scry - mine Hopes Deceive Them Your Sight is Lost - into Mine Chambers You will not Touch - My Mental Agents From this Time Forward - when I do Think It You will not See - in Overt Action What you will Play - is what I Show You Thence Game is Fair - our Dance shall Know this *Pokes tongue out at Anglar* Part of me would reply, "Now that it's out, will you use it?" What a wicked game you play, Matron Mother, but know I have designs of my own that don't directly invovle you. I don't need to read your thoughts for I am trained in the subtlety of reading your expressions.:smirk: Anglar clasps his left arm at the elbow, holding his left and before his face, his fingers spread wide. He incants his own spell while slowly stepping backwards and waving the hand in his own face, saying, "You can't see me!" He fades from sight.
LizardRider 11-13-03, 08:02 PM	Thee are treading dangerous ground anglar. Thou should be careful. :twitch: :looloo:
Silmarien Aldalome 11-13-03, 08:09 PM	Matron Mother: *breaks into unrestrained laughter - a deriding, malicious kind of laughter - designed to shame* She stares at the spot where you stand - exactly - with pentrating sight (even if you are out of the room). She pauses in her laughter to say "Your Insults Tally Anglar" - she Propels the Voice through Shadow Weave - it echoes throughout the Halls: Your physical insults to my person - an unforgivable arrogance. Your presumption of leadership in all that you do, say and act - Your thinly disguised deferrence, and the semantic manipulation of words - designed for effect - but without a skerric of truth to them. Your "promise" of fidelity - in word - most recently - which threatens covertly. And - you ignore my urgent need for Dark Mythal Defences - by distracting dialogue. For all these things - you have already doomed yourself. Do you think for one moment that I do not know you plan a palace uprising? She strikes her staff onto the ground - Voice Echoes throughout Drow Halls Invade our Halls - Tyr's Crisis Calls The Light Became - Defied my Thralls You Dared to Strike - You Broke the Stalls I do not Break - I come to Maul Escape you seek - beyond my Chains Defy you might - undo the Stains But too much Hate - within remains So here my laugh - and you I shame Matron Mother laughs an evil cruel sound - ---------------------- Where's our Dark Mythal? - Ang - I have a red face as I wrote the above. I'm actually a bit scared. Silimna is never very far away - but this is what a Matron really would do after the history that unfolded here. *ducks for cover* Stav
LizardRider 11-13-03, 08:24 PM	The Matron Mother is not happy with thee anglar. I have suggestion anglar. Run. Run as thou hast never run before. Quickly. :mymy: Death comes quickly to those who have wronged a Matron Mother. All but one. I could name him but it would probably get me killed. I will give his initials though. DD. :eek:
Silmarien Aldalome 11-13-03, 09:27 PM	Stav acknowledges Anglar personally :bow: You are my friend Anglar. Even though we spar - I am ashamed of it. [i]Matron Mother stands up - Silimna creates a slippery oil at the spot where Matron Mother stands up. Matron mother goes for a "sixer" (as we say here) - *screams on the way down* As she slides across the floor - then Silimna creates a smelly goo to tip on her robes - it stinks like rotten eggs. *Matron Mother - Cracks* She makes the noise of a distressed cat "wwwoooooaaaaa". Then Silimna - casts a spell - to make dread-locks out of Matron Mother's hair (held in place with rotten egg whites). As Matron mother walks towards her chambers - Silimna kicks her in the guts - (Bigby's spell)....and.....then Silimna bursts into tears.
anglar 11-14-03, 01:33 AM	Anglar re-appears wearing what can only be described as whitened Elven Chain which strangely has a blue 32 on the front and back. String music coming from no where starts. You thought I was gone, thought I'd gone soft But look out boys, cause I'm about to go off Don't know why you're tryin to be me Heh, you can't even see me I'm the crazy mother who's stared gods in the eyes And when I didn't blink it was to their surprise About the Dark Mythal, I told ya I had it taken care of By the way, LizardRider, I'm the one you should be scared of I can out cuss a sailor. I can drink a Dwarf sick My only words of wisdom are <CoC Edit> Don't call my name cause you got no game for me, Jack I'll take you down old school style, like my throw back When you're takin sides, I'm the #1 pick I'm the atomic punch with the extra kick My demeanor's raw. my words are quick So, come on Matron Mother, get off my . . .
anglar 11-14-03, 01:41 AM	FLASH! A bright blue light appears in the middle of the chamber and ut step a diminuative Drow clad only in a cloak and loincloth. His age is beyond reason. Yet, his smile is wide and genuine. "Now, Pup, your mother taught you better than that. Be calm." His attention turns towards Matron Mother. "You're right. She is a bit of a bird on a wire. Still, I came here to help you and help you I shall." e walks over and confidently takes Matron Mother by the arm. "We should get started." He removes his cloak and loincloth. An astonished look draws this response, "What? How else do you dance to the Dark Maiden but naked? Don't be ashamed. I've seen it all before. It not a big deal for me. You do want this Dark Mythal thingy, don't you?" As soon as everyone complies, the ritual for making the Dark Mythal will take place and our HOuse and City will have as great a defense as we can ever hope to have from our own hands. Sorry about the silent treament Sil. I needed to heighten the drama. I never really take too much of this too seriously. I love you all too.
Silmarien Aldalome 11-14-03, 08:31 PM	NAKED!!! (don't tempt me - you'll be soorrrryyyy!) *cracks* ...stale.....lembas...... *pulls it "together"* (sort of) MY HAIR STINKS - IT'S GOT GONE-OFF DRIED EGG WHITES HOLDING DREADLOCKS TOGETHER, AND MY BODY IS COVERED IN ROTTEN EGG....GELLION! WHERE'S THE DE-ELFERISER 10,000! *screams* (Silimna giggles in the background) No response forthcoming in RP. I'm going to sit on this one until I think about it - and a countermove. Nice poem Ang. Can we see the Dark Mythal re-posted - or have you got a new take on it? Cheers Sil
Tenzhi 11-14-03, 08:35 PM	Wow, Ang... that was like John Cena meets Eminem. Drow rappers... seems more like a d20 Modern thing. Unless you're talking about the Bard PrC: Master of Thugganomics. :rofl:
LizardRider 11-14-03, 09:24 PM	How fares thee? Howdy.
Silmarien Aldalome 11-15-03, 02:05 AM	Originally posted by Tenzhi Wow, Ang... that was like John Cena meets Eminem. Drow rappers... seems more like a d20 Modern thing. Unless you're talking about the Bard PrC: Master of Thugganomics. :rofl: *looks at Ang's Song* Doctor of sxanomics :devil: :devil: *matron Mother rubs her hands together* ...hang....on....time....for....a.....ri de....menz *giggles*
Silmarien Aldalome 11-15-03, 02:09 AM	Greetings Lizard Rider -
anglar 11-15-03, 02:15 AM	Originally posted by LizardRider How fares thee? Howdy. Finishing your sig And the raven never flitting, still is sitting ,still is sitting On the pallad bust of Pallus just above my chamber door. And his eyes have all the seeming of a demon that is dreaming And the lamplight o'er him streaming, throws his shadow upon the floor, And my soul from out that shadow that lies floating on the floor, Shall be lifted, nevermore. I learned the whole poem in the 9th grade, though I still prefer the ending of Thanatopsis by Bryant.
Tenzhi 11-15-03, 03:11 AM	Originally posted by anglar I learned the whole poem in the 9th grade, though I still prefer the ending of Thanatopsis by Bryant. I learned The Bells and Jabberwocky... I still remember the latter. It's funny how certain things stick with you and others slip out of your head like a Shadow going home.
anglar 11-15-03, 03:43 AM	Love the last part of your sig Tenzhi.:thumbsup: :bow: :bow:
Silmarien Aldalome 11-15-03, 09:51 AM	Originally posted by Tenzhi ....It's funny how certain things stick with you and others slip out of your head like a Shadow going home. Long awaited darkness falls casting shadows on the walls in the twilight hour I am alone sitting near the fireplace dying embers warm my face in this peaceful solitude all the outside world subdued everything comes back to me again in the gloom like an angel passing through my room Half awake and half in dreams seeing long forgotten scenes so the present runs into the past now and then become entwined playing games within my mind like the embers as they die love was one prolonged goodbye and it all comes back to me tonight in the gloom like an angel passing through my room I close my eyes and twilight images go by all too soon like an angel passing through my room Abba's
LizardRider 11-15-03, 05:32 PM	Hello. Want me to post the whole poem? I have it written down somewhere. The Raven is a good poem. :whatsthis
Silmarien Aldalome 11-15-03, 08:05 PM	G'day Lizard Rider - it's a great Verse - i like it a lot. you post as is your wOnt (disposition) my friend.....I think Anglar's Opening Post sets the tone beautifully for your wishes here..... hope you've been well. Have you been warm or cold in your part of the world? Yesterday we had a 100 farenheit + day, and today, it's winter again (about 40 farenheit) *mumbles mental arithmetic* ....those conversions from celsius ...... Cheers Sil
LizardRider 11-15-03, 08:11 PM	Hi Sil. Thanks! :) At the moment it is the middle of winter (Alaska). Most of the time it's around 30 degrees F. :( :D LR :king:
Silmarien Aldalome 11-15-03, 08:26 PM	ALASKA!!! How :cool: is that - i've never met an Alsakan before. sounds :censored: cold! Do you guys get Aurora up that far - I swear one day I'm gunna visit that state of the US - i've visited about 30 of your other states so far (Monument Valley at sunset stays with me forever) - I can still see the first Monolith as we turned the bend.... Cheers Stav
LizardRider 11-15-03, 08:34 PM	DEFINATELY!!!!!!!!!! Yes we do got the Aurora Borealas (I think that's how it's spelled). Their also called the Northern Lights. It IS :censored: cold. It doesn't usually get over 60 degrees farenheit in my part of Alaska, even in July! LR :king:
anglar 11-17-03, 05:27 PM	If I had time, I could probably do it from memory. After reading the new guidlines for Foundation threads, I guess we should start saying our good-byes now. The Anglar as you know his is no more. RPing is now a sin. I wonder if the same holds true for PM's. I am greatful for knowing all of you and hope to have many gameplay-only discussions with you in the future. I'll post the latest version of the Mythal spell later for your use and critique.
WizO_Catoblepas 11-17-03, 09:00 PM	Please keep your posts to the subject matter of drow elves. If you haven't read the new moderation guidelines for foundation thread, you might want to take a moment and do so. Thanks.
anglar 11-18-03, 12:32 AM	Maxa's Mythal Maker version 1.1 Spellcraft DC: 50 Components: V,S,M,XP Casting Time: 3days,11 minutes Range: Touch Area of Effect: 1000 foot radius Duration: Permanent Saving Throw: None Spell Resistance: Yes To Develop: Seed: Ward (DC 14). Factors: Change area to 20 foot radius (+2 DC), Increase size to 1000 feet (+200 DC), Add 5 of any spell effects up to 6th level (+60 DC). Mitigating Factors: Burn 19,000 XP (-190), 50d6 backlash damage (- 50 DC), Increase casting time to 3 days, 11 minutes (-26 DC). Permanent (x5 DC) This spell create an invisible sphere of magical force that has several effects. The first effect is to prevent anyone and anything from entering without the proper "pass key" which is set by the caster at the time of the spell's casting. This can be anything or any one of a number of things. The caster can choose up to 5 spells of 6th level or lower that the caster knows which can be linked into the Mythal. For example, the caster could place a Chain Lightning spell that strikes anyone who attempts to enter without a proper pass key. The material component of the spell is a mythallar which must be constructed prior to casting the spell. The mythallar must be in contact with the caster for the duration of the casting. If the caster ever loses contact of the mythallar the spell fail and all the mitigating factors still take effect. I'd like to thank Kain's Avatar for doing a previous write-up of this spell from which I derived the most of this spell. I changed the DC to represent how I read the Epic Level Handbook in regards to when the Permanant factor is added.
Silmarien Aldalome 11-18-03, 07:15 PM	Great post Ang - nicely worded. Before I go further - Have a look at This Post (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=1867671#post1867671). It's a discussion about how we can both respet the Code of Conduct (CoC) - in a fair way - while not losing the Good Will of the Foundations. And - Great Thread Keeper - an invitation. I'd like to know if you would like to start a discussion about "Where to From Here" - an on-topic discussion about what the Foundation is, goals, identity, purpose, scope, etc.....hava look at how I'm structuring it at Half-Elves and please join in there too. Hope you've been well Cheers Stav
zollex5 11-19-03, 09:15 PM	I've started a Foundation Council on the Metaboard so that all foundations can get together. It'll be easier to get our points accross to the WizO's. Everyone is welcome - there's a link in my sig. Zollex Custodian of the Tomes, Half-Elven Foundation
anglar 11-24-03, 08:08 PM	To get things going again, would anyone like to comment on the latest version of the Mythal spell that is a few post above. I'd also like to take this time to open the floor to any suggestions as to what anyone would like to see done here concerning the Drow.
aravilar_holistacia 11-24-03, 08:30 PM	hey ang, great idea... I *would* like to see the stats on the mythal... (EHM) Aravilar
anglar 11-24-03, 09:59 PM	Mythals are as individualistic as the caster. While they have many of the same quailities, such as keeping those not wanted within out of the area. Ideas splashed around here have been linking a chain lightning or a regular lightning bolt spell to attack those who would try to enter without a passskey. I think another nice effect would be to allow those within to be able to fly per the spell. Given the setting you use it in, I also think putting in a Protection from Good (we are the Drow) as a permantant effect within the mythal. Since clerical spells can be tied in as well, Blasphemy comes to mind. Whatever suits the needs of where you're putting it.
Silmarien Aldalome 11-25-03, 08:28 PM	G'day Av, and Ang, Quiet here - time to warm up the thread. OK - Safti, Lizard, Tenzhi - good morrow to you all. Mythals being as individual as the caster - this prolly translates into Dark Mythals directly. Meaning, Dark Mythals as invdividual as Mythals. O'Pele Va'esse Dark Nature Mythal: (the first of a Series) Spellcraft DC: 75 Components: V,S,M,XP Casting Time: 7 Days & 7 Nights Range: Long Area of Effect: One Mountain Duration: Permanent Saving Throw: None Spell Resistance: Yes To Develop: Seed: Emotion (Hate) (DC 14). Factors: Increase to Two Mountains (+75 DC) Add 5 of any spell effects up to 6th level (+60 DC) Will Fortification: Casters must contribute 10 will-based feats for every Mountain converted into a volcano (see below for rationale). Mitigating Factors: Burn 19,000 XP (-190), 50d6 backlash damage (- 50 DC), Every One Day Increment of casting time to (-20 DC). Permanent (x5 DC) When The Drow Unify to cast this spell - there is an immersion of their Essence into the Shadow Weave. In this metaphysical space, the Drow are not merely channeling Raw Magic - they are moulding the Very Fabric of the Shadow Weave to a hateful purpose. The casting of this Dark Mythal - requires that both Shar and Lolth be Aligned in Purpose. The dual presence of these deities is a deeply confronting and challenging experience for the casters of this Mythal. Thus, exceptional will is required to sustain the spell casting - given the deities involved. When the spell is cast, lava from the planet's mantle is forced up through the tectonic plates, and through any mountain of choice. The lava is infused with any of several spells (e.g. Darkness). And so the ash isn't merely volcanic ash but "Dark Ash" (as per spell darkness). However, over and above this, the Dark Mythal is "living" - so the ash conveys the horror of the Evil Drow in its effects, which has the following additional effects on surface dwellers. 1. Downward adjustment of spellcaster's DCs. Because humanoids need to expend some of their will to protect themselves from the Dark Mythal's force. 2. Emotion: Despair (as per spell). 3. Constitution checks for breathing (DC=10) once every week. Breathing ash is bad for health - but moreso because the ash is "living". 4. A DC check once a week versus madness (DC=10). The DC's are low - and designed to affect low-level or 0-level humanoids only. Matron Mother: *cackles wickedly* *cracks* ....now....stale Lembas......STALE LEMBAS......... *pulls it together* Your Servant Silmarien
anglar 11-25-03, 09:35 PM	Now that's just negatively EVIL. Kudos Matron Sil (looks both ways fast). Could you please explain exactly what you mean by "will-based feats"? Other than Iron Will and the Greater, I'm drawing a blank. Do the caster lose the feats or imply need the feat in order to cast this spell. I alsowant to check over the DC, if you don't mind.
Silmarien Aldalome 11-25-03, 09:45 PM	Originally posted by anglar Now that's just negatively EVIL. Kudos Matron Sil (looks both ways fast). Could you please explain exactly what you mean by "will-based feats"? Other than Iron Will and the Greater, I'm drawing a blank. Do the caster lose the feats or imply need the feat in order to cast this spell. I alsowant to check over the DC, if you don't mind. Hmmm, yes, I've left it diffuse on purpose - I'm unsure "exactly" what to do with it. Any ideas? The inspiration for the idea ..Lolth vomits her evil glare over the Drow as they cast.... This suggest to me strongly that to "get into the Shadow Weave" with Lolth and Shar standing there staring you in the face - would scare the :censored: out of you. So - the will-based feats are certainly a part of what I mean. Maybe - some specialised training, perhaps a cluster of new Drow-esque Feats and Skills. That we could develop - that are Drow-esque? Cheers Sil
LizardRider 11-25-03, 09:55 PM	BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahahahah ahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is the most positively evil thing i have ever heard. Sometimes i wonder why i ever stepped out of the darkness and into the light. It's so much FUN to be evil. LizardRider :king:
anglar 11-25-03, 10:31 PM	Perhaps a specialized concentration feat that is Will based and of course Epic would be along the lines of what we need? I see I'm going to have a lot to do over the holiday weekend. Many steps I have in mind for this house (read foundation). Many that can only be taken by me. The question is, who will follow where the angels fear to tread.:devil:
aravilar_holistacia 11-25-03, 10:45 PM	I of course will follow you into the darkness of dawn: When I'm alone, tomorrow feels far away. And I must go over still into the darkness of dawn. Where you lead on, whether it be into the shadows or the blinding truth, I follow boldly. OOC: Well, the mythal looks good! It's Epic, so would it be conflicting with Mystra's governing of the weave? Or, as your dark nature would suggest, will you use a shadow weave mythallar?
anglar 11-26-03, 12:00 AM	As we've had this discussion before, Sil particular spell deals directly with the shadow weave while the one I made could be either. Since neither directly endangers magic, Mystra cannot interfere with the casting unless she is willing to allow her faithful to suffer her transgressions.
anglar 11-26-03, 05:51 PM	Like the great phoenix, we rise from the ashes. Breathe deeply this wind a freedom.
anglar 11-26-03, 05:51 PM	Like the great phoenix, we rise from the ashes. Breathe deeply this wind a freedom.
LizardRider 11-27-03, 12:56 AM	Ang, i'm not sure if following yu would be in the interests of my goddess. sorry.:nonono: :twitch:
LizardRider 11-27-03, 12:57 AM	Ang, i'm not sure if following yu would be in the interests of my goddess. sorry.:nonono: :twitch:
anglar 11-27-03, 02:10 AM	You follow The Dark Maiden Elistraee, if I remember correctly. You would do well to remember that the path of all Drow are tied to Lloth, though they may wander from time to time. Lloth always has a way to bring pain in to the lives of all Drow. Do not forget that I call Tyr my patron, yet I understand that Lloth's actions affect me greatly. Your path is your own to choose.
anglar 12-01-03, 01:22 AM	When you see Anglar, it is quite obvious that he has cut his hair to a very short length and somehow dyed in a very light blonde. A wicked smile creases his face and he begins. "Yo! Hold your breath because your breathing in the wrong air. This House belongs to me and the H/E with long hair. You thought I was bad at first, but get prepared for the worst. See this is no game for me, and I'm out to expose the hipocracy. The deities want to try to control me. All they've done is really set me free. Cause now I've got a new plan. I got a new game. And, guess what, nothing's gonna be the same. I'm gonna spread Lloth's reach like an evil curse and stretch it across the multiverse. To cover myself and all my hijinks, I'm gonna make a big chain with lots of links. You might be sayin to yourself 'Ang, What are you tryin to do?' Well, listen up, cause I'm here fightin for you. I'm the one who's going to be defiant. They can be the preacher, and I'll be the Flynt. I'll be checking back here every now and then. So guess who's back again!"
anglar 12-01-03, 01:22 AM	When you see Anglar, it is quite obvious that he has cut his hair to a very short length and somehow dyed in a very light blonde. A wicked smile creases his face and he begins. "Yo! Hold your breath because your breathing in the wrong air. This House belongs to me and the H/E with long hair. You thought I was bad at first, but get prepared for the worst. See this is no game for me, and I'm out to expose the hipocracy. The deities want to try to control me. All they've done is really set me free. Cause now I've got a new plan. I got a new game. And, guess what, nothing's gonna be the same. I'm gonna spread Lloth's reach like an evil curse and stretch it across the multiverse. To cover myself and all my hijinks, I'm gonna make a big chain with lots of links. You might be sayin to yourself 'Ang, What are you tryin to do?' Well, listen up, cause I'm here fightin for you. I'm the one who's going to be defiant. They can be the preacher, and I'll be the Flynt. I'll be checking back here every now and then. So guess who's back again!"
drachentoeter 12-01-03, 02:45 AM	wicked, now where is this shadow mythal piercing through the flesh of the earth to spread the terror of drow to the surfacedwellers?
Silmarien Aldalome 12-02-03, 07:31 PM	Silimna eyes Anglar wearily - in a private moments, she says to Anglar what is this change you speak of - where lies your heart now - for I know not what thou speaketh of. Although, she sees the short-cropped hair, and blond, and does find it striking. it lifts your features - I can see your face now Anglar. Gods or no - remember thine free will. How speaketh thee of Matron Mother?
anglar 12-02-03, 10:45 PM	My heart is where it has always been. A new war has found its way to the doorstep of this House, and I am sworn to protect this house, even from itself. The enemy is invisible save when they wish to strike, and nothing we do can expose them before hand. I accept this and fight on. Take care of yourself, Silimna. Sometimes you have to die in order to win, and I won't lose.
anglar 12-09-03, 12:27 AM	Ichor drips from the silver stakes in Anglar's hands. He lifts the head of the vampire from the cave floor and reaches for his extraction tool. "A feldgeling. Probably not even 300 years old. I wonder though, what were you doing down here?" The feeling Aglar had next told him what this lone vampire was doing. This vampire wasn't alone. He had company and lots of it. Anglar places his trophies in a small belt pouch and heads towards the source of his sensations. Perhaps this time, Anglar would find a worthy advesary.
anglar 12-13-03, 04:34 PM	Anglar crawls along the ceiling using a spell's enhancements. The vampire horde has spread itself throughout the many caves in The Underdark. This camp is the most centralized, and probably the one with the lead nosferatae there. He let's his hand slide across the necklace to those two fangs dipped in gold. "Be with my Angel." Anglar release his spell and falls silently through the air. He reaches behind him and removes two silver stakes from their holsters at his back. He eyes one vampire and slams into him to break his fall. A quick thrust and twist ends that one's pitiful existance. Alarms are raised throughout the camp. In waves the night demons swarm to where Anglar was standing. Only the occassional flickers of light off the stakes emerge from the fray. Ichor drenches his body and the nearby walls. With the pile of vampire husks growing Anglar moves to higher ground. A cave mound, formed years ago by passing water, serves as his perch. More than twenty vampires lay slain behind him. Their tactics change with his. They seem to realize that direct physical confrontation is futile. He knows their tactics too well. Now they come in pairs, attempting to flank him. Though some blows make it through his parries, he registers none in his mind. He is too lost in the fever. One, a female, feints to his right and counters back left. Anglar slides under her strike and jams a stake into the right of her chest. He twists her around and uses her as a shield for the incoming barrage of arrows. She wails in rage as the arrows pierce her body. She is utterly confused why she can't take gaseous form. She never learns the reason why. With as suddenas his attack was, the other vampires stop. They circle where Anglar stands, making it wider with each moment. "Meckna! Meckna!" they chant. Then Anglar understands why. Their Champion has arrived. Fully half again the height of Anglar, the corded muscle of his body do anything but betray his undead state. He eyes Anglar and begins to remove his armor until he is in a similar state of dress as Anglar. Three other vampires, obviously intimidated by this Meckna, bring an axa taller than Meckna to him. Meckna takes the axe in one hand and holds it out as easily as one would hold a dagger. He points at his chest and then to Anglar. He twirls his finger in the air and follows with a throat-slitting movement. Anglar understands this as well. Only they would fight, and only one would walk out.
Silmarien Aldalome 12-15-03, 03:28 AM	Silmarien notices Anglar's absence suddenly - - "Anglar!" She calls "Anglar!!" with rising concern in her voice. She incants momentarily - there is a flash of blue as Silmarien's brow furroughs and knots - she strives to scry Anglar but there is a haze around him. But - her vision clears - and she locates him struggling with the Undead "NO!! THIS MUST NOT BE SUFFERED!" She rises upwards - appearing 10 feet tall suddenly - as she summons Verse Love is in Danger - the Undead Gather Their Dead Eyes - and Loveless Staring They poison with - uncaring malice And Hide from Light - in Shadow's Palace But love is holy - and brightly shining I see him Fighting - and none beside him This I will not suffer - my choice is clearly To bring him succour - and help his Healing There is a flash of Blue Fire - and propelled by her passion - Silmarien extends, and empowers her Magic - she strives with the Mythal Defences surrounding the Drow City. The stuggle goes this way and that - Silmarien hears the Unholy chanting of Drow Mythal Casters - their hateful Voice is everywhere. The Mythal assaults her - blue lightnings attack - and madness threatens. The Mythal talks to her GET OUT! GET OUT! WE WILL CONSUME YOU But then Silmarien hears Anglar's cry - and she burst into tears - Silverfire falls freely from her eyes into the Mythal. There is an explosion of magic - dark and light - but Silmarien opens a rent in the Defence - and *Blue Eyes Appear before you* *Alive with Silverfire* She appears beside Anglar
anglar 12-16-03, 07:38 PM	Anglar twitches slightly as Sil appears beside him. "Though I love that you chose to be beside me, I really would appreciate if you took a perch up high. Can't really concentrate on the problem at hand when I know these vamps may be trying to take advantage of you." Kisses her lightly on the cheeck. "I can handle gargantua here. You may want to prepare a teleport for us, once things here are finished."
Silmarien Aldalome 12-16-03, 08:18 PM	Originally posted by anglar Anglar twitches slightly as Sil appears beside him. "Though I love that you chose to be beside me, I really would appreciate if you took a perch up high. Can't really concentrate on the problem at hand when I know these vamps may be trying to take advantage of you." Kisses her lightly on the cheeck. "I can handle gargantua here. You may want to prepare a teleport for us, once things here are finished." I do not fear. I will not abandon you - and you may yet need my aid. But, Anglar *eyes fill with tears* you must first tell me you do not love me 'ere I leave you and walk. For nothing else will deter me - other than your wish to be with another. Luthien stood with Beren - and did not quail though all the hordes of Darkness stood before her. As so - Thangorodhrim was stilled - so too is my choice. However, I see and respect your wish to battle for your own sense of worth and as is a man's wont. This I will not interfere with. But - I ready my dweomer - **now** - and should I see harm come to you - I will not allow it. As to my will - you need not fear. No undead can shake my resolve, or seduce me to darkness. Mine and Mystra's Will are aligned! *shoots bolt of Blue-Fire into heavens* *Ascends into the Airs*
anglar 12-16-03, 10:21 PM	"Knew you'd understand." "As for you," Anglar rolls his necks and shoulders. The behemoth, Meckna, charges at Anglar and leads with an overhead chop. Anglar does a backwards somersault to avoid the blow, which is so heavy the blade sinks into the cave's stone floor. Anglar runs up the haft oof the axe and delivers a kick to the face and back of the head of Meckna as he hops over him. Meckna's rage increases and he rips his axe floor and spins to find Anglar. Anglar twirls has stakes between his fingers. Meckna's next cherge is with more care. He brings his axe in a wide sweep from his left to right and follows with a spinning kick of his right leg. Anglar ducks the axe bit is caught by the foot, sending him skidding twenty feet across the cave floor. Quickly, Anlgar catches Sil's eye and give her a wink. The thrusts, dodges, and parries come fast and furious. Soon again Anglar finds himself in the similar situation when he was caught by the vicious kick. He's ready this time. The axe swing comes as expected, but this time, Anglar steps into the arc of the axe, grasps the haft and is swung around behind Meckna. Anglar then buries his two stakes deep into Meckna's left leg. The howl from Meckna is more akin to a wolf than a man. He collaspes to one knee but manages to bring his great axe around, forcing Anglar to retreat for the moment. Meckna's speed is now not enough to avoid what is coming. Anglar uses Meckna's knee as a prop as he slams his own knee into the face of Meckna. Anglar then saddles Meckna's shoulders and retrieve two more silver stakes from his back harness. He rams them into the sides of Meckna's head and flips off his back. The final blow is struck and Meckna falls, defeated. The shock of the other vampires is matched only by their ire. Anglar removes his stakes, along with Meckna's head and fangs. The ichor has Anglar completely covered, but true to their lawful nature, the vampires allow Anglar to walk away no more harmed than he was then. "Time to leave for now, Sil. They'll be other times, and I need you along then as well."
Silmarien Aldalome 12-17-03, 12:55 AM	Silmarien studies the frey - and sees Anglar strive with the Undead. She sees Anglar's strong, sinewed form and impressive combat expertise. His sculpted male form dodging and striking the Undead foe. She watches each parry and blow with consernation, and tension in her body. She gasps with intaken breath at several junctures - but does not intervene. When the Undead is felled - Silmarien's vigilance rises in a quantum leap. She studies - scoping the battle scene, and readying dweomer. When she sees Anglar walk past the Undead ranks - she propels herself downwards in a blur of blue Dweomer - and stands before him in an instant. She is immolated in Blue-Fire - and her face shows a deep warmth coupled to clear admiration. She oozes confidence as she stands before him. She stares at you Anglar - her eyes alive with Blue-Fire. She reaches out and gently wipes away ichor with a clean cloth - and you hear her utter inaudible words of magic - as the cloth passes over blood - she removes all trace of defilement. When she is done - she gently places a hand onto your face - and intonates briefly *vanishing immediately*
anglar 01-03-04, 01:47 AM	Anglar steps out onto the city streets and smiles at the bright sun. This city of Zarthos teems with life, and death. As the newly appointed Keeper of the Knights of Imperial Justice, Anglar has a great deal of chaos set before him. His first order of personal business is to clear his estate that he just purchased. It seems that the cottage is inundated with the undead, particularly the basement. After that is dealt with, the process of getting his chamberlain here should be easy, though she can be a truer test all on her own. The thought of it simply makes Anglar smile as he heads for the largest temples to Lathander and Tyr. Today should be fun.
Silmarien Aldalome 01-05-04, 06:04 PM	Originally posted by anglar Anglar steps out onto the city streets and smiles at the bright sun. This city of Zarthos teems with life, and death. As the newly appointed Keeper of the Knights of Imperial Justice, Anglar has a great deal of chaos set before him. His first order of personal business is to clear his estate that he just purchased. It seems that the cottage is inundated with the undead, particularly the basement. After that is dealt with, the process of getting his chamberlain here should be easy, though she can be a truer test all on her own. The thought of it simply makes Anglar smile as he heads for the largest temples to Lathander and Tyr. Today should be fun. "What!!" Silmarien studies the written invitation from this Anglar to her. "Chamberlain"!! He wants me to be a Chamberlain in Zarthos!!" Silmarien has received a gold-leave message from Anglar. Silmarien is caught between bemusement, ire and loyalty. She writes a reply message: "Dear Anglar, I have received your invitation to accompany you to Zarthos. I must say, you certainly waste no time in your industrious work, and have an eye for unusual properties. What is this you say? Undead riddle the place? What kind of a place for a woman is that! Hardly the "warm-respite" and place of solitude and healing - but still life finds us unusual gifts. Know first that I suffer no entrapment, and am lacky to none. However - Undead must be destroyed, and our world is not for usurpers from the negative material plane. Therefore, I would agree to the terms you have outlined. Further - know that I am of the Ost-In-Edhel, the Elvish City of the Northern Flame, and descended of Bralas, and before her, I go all the way back to Isilme, who crafted the Elaedun, Great Elven Artefact of the South. Being of the South - from the world that we call Aarendor, I am heir to Elvish principalities. There are three: The Northern Flame, Mythal Skybridge of The Vale, and The Barad Ilca. But all three are Living Mythals. I would that one day you would walk with me to Mythal Skybridge - and see the lands about for a 100 miles - and stand with me where once was great Elvish Civilisation. But, the Elaedun impels me to Zarthos - so then - lead us to this Undead-infested property."
Castor Troy 01-28-04, 02:25 AM	The short haired man steps out onto the street behind the elf and ghosts him as he makes his way through the city. "I will know where you have gone, Keeper of the Drow, Cause I'm Castor Troy!"
Silmarien Aldalome 01-30-04, 10:56 PM	Originally posted by Castor Troy The short haired man steps out onto the street behind the elf and ghosts him as he makes his way through the city. "I will know where you have gone, Keeper of the Drow, Cause I'm Castor Troy!" verily Caster Troy! *eyes smile warmly* But - fear not - Anglar is not far away. In fact - we have had private Council - and he has an Annoucement to make, I believe
anglar 01-31-04, 02:08 AM	"So much to do. Have to find the biggest hall or park in the city that will allow for such a thing. The last park wedding I went to ended up in the park being turned into a jungle. The city wasn't happy about that. I wonder if the emperor would let us have it on his estate? I really shouldn't bother him. He only recently made me Keeper of the Knights of Imperial Justice. Best not to get on his bad side. I wonder how many poeple are going to be there. Better question: How many of them won't be there to try to kill me? So much to do. So much to do. There's also that little talk I have to have with the Dock Master. It's not what you know. It's what you can prove."
aravilar_holistacia 01-31-04, 02:25 AM	Like a light summer's breeze, the mage Aravilar Holistacia stepped from the thin air near a certain oak tree, an old, gnarled growth that stuck from the top of the hill which he had appeared on. He wore a military saber at his left hip, and several multicolored ioun stones circled his head. The mage blinked as his eyes came into focus, and he looked about placidly. "By the Lady, I cometh in that place I most certainly did not wish to appear in. I would fain search for my destination..." he said, frowning. The mage worked a divination, and as he finished muttering the spell incantation, a small globe of bright, swirling, colorful energy appeared at his front. The mage whispered into the globe, and it sped away into the distance. "I get a summons, neither named nor signed 'twas, and expectantly I appear to find naught but this oaken gnarl." The energy globe flew across the meadow, seeking its recipient. When the globe sensed a twinge of dark blood tainting its otherwise keen sense of direction, it sped toward its target. "My lord Anglar," Aravilar spoke into the winds. In the distance, the globe made an utterance of these words, mimicking Aravilar's elven voice. "Summoned I was from the Tower; fain did I come to this place. Naught but the breezes greet me, and naught but silent trees do I see." The globe swirled with color, delivering its message. "I shall be there with all due haste. My globe shall facilitate this." The globe grew a blackish color, and it formed a portal.
Silmarien Aldalome 01-31-04, 02:30 AM	Silmarien walks up to Caster Troy - she stares straight at him - this short-cropped newcomer. Her green eyes stare penetratingly at *you*. A smile appears on Silmarien's face. "I see you're arrival is quite timely. But - excuse me for now - I have to meet the tailor at noon. Would you like to introduce yourself Caster Troy." *face becomes radiant* *bows* My goodness - how things change quickly around here. But, what a strange turn of events. What on Toril should I wear? And all this business about Lordship, property and choices - it's all so cryptic. And now this! He is a strange one that Anglar - very pushy. No more than that - almost smug almost in his ways - yet charming more so. I do like that body paint though. I wonder who makes it. A park? Hmm, I'm sure it's too risky really. Perhaps a more wild place - where there is naught but nature...." Edit OoC: G'day Aravilar_Holistica. Welcome!
aravilar_holistacia 01-31-04, 02:39 AM	OOC: Heya, Sil! Call me Ava, or Aravilar if you must. It's been three months now :D Idea: Go to the Character Posting Board (stickyified at the top of MOP) and on the first page, find my post and read my character history. YAY! :D
Silmarien Aldalome 01-31-04, 03:51 AM	Originally posted by aravilar_holistacia OOC: Heya, Sil! Call me Ava, or Aravilar if you must. It's been three months now :D Idea: Go to the Character Posting Board (stickyified at the top of MOP) and on the first page, find my post and read my character history. YAY! :D ....Aravilar has a wish to Honour Anglar and I as Best Man...I must speak with Anglar of this.... I will suffer no social exclusion of others - who else would wish to honour us so? They must all be welcome...... Silmarien sends Aravilar a Sending Aravilar You are summoned to >>Pereldar Halls (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=2458582#post2458582)<< to discuss this further amongst the Pereldar. You must be Acknowledged in your Role by mine Kin - and Hallowed - ere Rh'iel permits this...
anglar 02-03-04, 12:56 AM	Almost smug she says. I thought I'd done better than that. I'd hope to come off as completely arrogant. Oh well, my eyes and ears of this city and empire which I also protect serve me well. So much to prepare for.
Marcivo Mikdeswer 02-03-04, 11:50 PM	:confused: (maybe I missed something)
anglar 02-04-04, 12:15 AM	Originally posted by Marcivo Mikdeswer :confused: (maybe I missed something) The Lady Silmarien Aldalome and I are to be wed sometime soon. We are setting up multiple threads where the event will take place. So far most of the action has taken place on the Half-Elven RP thread. Feel free to join in.
Silmarien Aldalome 02-04-04, 04:33 PM	OoC: yes - welcome Marcivo [i]....Sil makes her way through the Underdark - in secret to - to her distant cousin Silimna's halls, where Matron Mother O'pele'va'esse's influence is at its weakest...... Silmarien: "Cousin! I have a message for you - will you meet with me?" Silimna: "Greetings kinsman" Silimna is caught between fear and joy and embraces her cousin in warm greeting - then gestures to her to sit. "What brings you to the Underdark? It is dangerous here for you - you are no Drow?" Silmarien: "I would speak with you about Anglar......"
anglar 02-09-04, 08:46 PM	Anglar steps through the portal back to his estate. The marble table is set with silver wine goblets and a crystal caraffe of Elven Green Mint Wine. With a violent slap the caraffe and goblets are sent flying across the dining hall. The caraffe shatters against the wall and the goblets clatter to the floor. "When will he grow up?" Anglar angrilly huffs. "The stone did nothing to my hand. How could it? Ah well, the gods came into play once again, and I was relegated to a meer spectator once again. What good is it to have killed the Chaos Hound, removed the hand of Tyr, only to have him place it on you, if the gods come down and interject their will at a whim?" Anglar sinks into a plush chair and rubs his temples. "How else but the gods doing so could a slap across my wrist cause me to drop that damned thing? Sometimes I think the Realms would be better of if the gods simply left us all alone. If they want to do things so much, why even bother with us at all? I am angry, annoyed, and mostly insulted. What's next, puppet strings?"
Silmarien Aldalome 02-10-04, 04:05 PM	Originally posted by anglar Anglar steps through the portal back to his estate. The marble table is set with silver wine goblets and a crystal caraffe of Elven Green Mint Wine. With a violent slap the caraffe and goblets are sent flying across the dining hall. The caraffe shatters against the wall and the goblets clatter to the floor. "When will he grow up?" Anglar angrilly huffs. "The stone did nothing to my hand. How could it? Ah well, the gods came into play once again, and I was relegated to a meer spectator once again. What good is it to have killed the Chaos Hound, removed the hand of Tyr, only to have him place it on you, if the gods come down and interject their will at a whim?" Anglar sinks into a plush chair and rubs his temples. "How else but the gods doing so could a slap across my wrist cause me to drop that damned thing? Sometimes I think the Realms would be better of if the gods simply left us all alone. If they want to do things so much, why even bother with us at all? I am angry, annoyed, and mostly insulted. What's next, puppet strings?" Sil's face softens and she studies Anglar intently - with a compassionate mein. She sits quietly listening to him - and when he is done says gently "Verily, 'tis a tall order for anyone to have to endure his announcements first, thence Hanali's appearance second. While mine fidelity to thee is unshakable, it is nonetheless not a respect to thee that another would seek to displace thee so close to the wedding. So, I understand your ire - and would not diminish it in any way. You have been disrespected beloved. As to the God's - I take peace from knowing this: that we mortals have Free Will. In fact - the Dark Lord's return to Pnatemul - was only possible here in this World OoC: (OneLand/Torilian Realmspace) by Kevmann's act of Free Will - to rescind his Free Will. Therefore, take heart. Gods here - may not intervene directly. They need us. And we can choose not to assist them. However - what matters to me most - is your wellbeing and our love." She sits with Anglar by the firelight - and studies him - waiting to see what he chooses next.
Dark Elven Shadow Master 03-03-04, 12:01 AM	[i]...deep in the Underdark...... Matron Mother: *craven cackles* "Lembas....STALE Lembas......Zirgal! How Long until you've finished casting - it's taking forever you stupid fool." Zirgal, Matron Mother's pet, and Matron Mother are bent over a Scrying Device. It glows with a dark aura - the menacing radiance of the Shadow Weave. Zirgal studies the wedding with deep jealousy. But, he is not jealous of Anglar, he is jealous of Silmarien. He burns with rage - and hates Silmarien all the more - for thwarting his designs..... "Stop your drooling" Matron mother snaps.....
Silmarien Aldalome 03-09-04, 11:10 PM	Matron Mother IC: ....Matron Mother studies the Scrying Device with a look of malevolent glee on her face.....she watches the discussion between the Chosen of Mystra and Frostbite in the Pereldar Gardens.....she reaches over to pat Zirgal on the head - as one would a dog or cat. Matron Mother looks at *you* her red Drow eyes study you closely - as she breaks out into an evil grin. "It is the Time of the Drow. We will Darken the Earth. The Moon shall grow Red - as the Sun and the Moon rival each for supremacy. Thus, we shall Rule all of Time and Space....everywhere you will see Me - and all shall bow and despair......" *cracks* "soon Zirgal - soon Stale Lembas....." Zirgal rolls his eyes, and looks into the scrying device, more concerned with Anglar and his moves than anything else.......
Silmarien Aldalome 03-10-04, 12:15 AM	OoC: Greetings Safti IC: ...matron mother feels a draft in the room. Her eyes dart suddenly - she senses a Watcher. "Safti" she snarls "you lurk! Zirgal needs your services - we are nearly ready. That snivelling sook Silmarien and traitor Anglar marry. Lloth is beyond furious." Matron Mother finds you and locks eyes with you. OoC: hope you've been well Safti! Great to see you stav
Marcivo Mikdeswer 03-10-04, 12:17 AM	OoC: Marcivo became a celestial after being murdered. :angel:
Silmarien Aldalome 03-10-04, 12:28 AM	Originally posted by Marcivo Mikdeswer OoC: Marcivo became a celestial after being murdered. :angel: Matron Mother: What's this - Lloth sends us a message - one of the snivelling ones took our Marcivo to **heaven** *gurgling screams* "All that sickening niceness. Enough to make me vomit......what's this, I am to try to restore this Drow to the Evil of the Underdark." OoC: Marcivo - if you wanna join in...... IC: ...Matron Mother incants - her eyes darken and hands vomit filthy divination. Spiders - tens of thousands of them - erupt from the Darkness - and seem to be forming a humanoid shape - writhing arachnids.... Oh Llolth - restore our Lost One to our World - that he may bring the Moon to RED and aid our unholy cause...... Her hands erupt into Blackfire - some ghastly equivalent of Silverfire perhaps - and this strikes the spiders on the ground. There is the smell of rotten burning in the room - as Marcivo convulses .....he takes one breath....but will he return.....
anglar 03-15-04, 06:04 PM	A low laugh emitts from the shadows. "Matron Mother, you always did know how to entertain a crowd." From the shdadows emerges a tall Dark Elf with a shock of white hair. His smile conveys arrogance, contempt, cantivance, and an unsettling evil. "You don't recognize me, but then I shouldn't really expect you to do so. When I last saw the alternate you, it was hanging like a piece of meat from the many pikes of the Deep Gnome. I am your Weapons Master, Anglar, though not the one you've come to think of as Anglar. You see, all this traveling of the multiverse has loosened the bonds that keep separate from ourselves to others of ourselves. This Silmarien you hate so much because your Anglar has married her, is in truth just another version of yourself, as I am another version of that Anglar. I come to take his place, and to aid in the destruction of them both and all those around them."
Dark Elven Shadow Master 03-15-04, 09:33 PM	Zirgal's eyes widen in greed and avarice. He studies this new "Anglar" with a smirk. "In many ways - more compelling than the "true" Anglar". He grins, barring his teeth." Matron Mother: "Verrry goood Anglar - now see to it that the snivelling sook Silmarien gets it good! How I want to see her ruined and broken." Matron Mother's eyes burn with contempt and wish for vengeance..... They all study the scrying device - watching now scenes from Evermeet.....as Anglar and Silmarien celebrate their honeymoon. All three of their faces are wracked with disgust.
anglar 03-16-04, 07:32 PM	Originally posted by Dark Elven Shadow Master Zirgal's eyes widen in greed and avarice. He studies this new "Anglar" with a smirk. "In many ways - more compelling than the "true" Anglar". He grins, barring his teeth." Matron Mother: "Verrry goood Anglar - now see to it that the snivelling sook Silmarien gets it good! How I want to see her ruined and broken." Matron Mother's eyes burn with contempt and wish for vengeance..... They all study the scrying device - watching now scenes from Evermeet.....as Anglar and Silmarien celebrate their honeymoon. All three of their faces are wracked with disgust. Anglar can barely contain his laughter. "Patience, good wizard. It is a delicate process to go about killing another version of yourself. There are many things to consider. They will come to know what suffering is, and many new definitions of the word. I guarantee this much. She will be his undoing."
Dark Elven Shadow Master 03-16-04, 11:20 PM	Zirgal's greedy eyes leer at "Anglar" - and Matron Mother, smiles wickedly - casually sauntering over to Anglar with swaying hips as she walks. For all her cruelty, Matron Mother is stunningly beautiful. She has the characteristic white hair of Drow, but it is beautifully kempt, and cut to shoulder length. And she is not modest in her attire, wearing skin tight feminine garb, black and blue, with a low neck line. Her arms are not muscular, but are firm and well toned. She walks with cat-like grace. She approaches Anglar casually "Make your House proud." she says in tones smooth as silk "For your rewards will be plenty for a service well done. As an honoured amongst our males you will be held for true service. More than anything - I want that half-elven trash Silmarien punished for taking my Anglar away from us." her eyes narrow into slits of hate "....make sure she pays." Zirgal approaches Anglar - smiling with a ravenous gaze "....She is clever, Anglar. If you are not careful, she will see through your plots. She may be better to us if alive and ruined - rather than dead...." Matron Mother watches Zirgal with a look of mild annoyance "Stop your drooling Zirgal - get back to scrying."
anglar 03-17-04, 01:06 AM	"Make no mistake, Matron Mother. What I do here I do for myself and no one else. It only serves my purpose to serve you at this time. My house is no more, so are the ties that came with it. This is personal" He turns towards Zergal. "Wipe that lustful look off your face. You couldn't begin to comprehend what I'm capable of, or to whom I'd do such things" Licks his lips and kisses in Zergal direction. "Intesify this scrying. I want to know her as well as her Anglar. My plan has to work perfectly if I am to survive it. Or at least if she's not to."
Nightshade22 03-27-04, 07:42 AM	Vendui' Usstan uil manna Qu'el'faeruk Nightshade Frecc L’ILYTHIIRI SARGTLIN! Stree ussa! :cough: ah, yes... I forgot you are all speaking COMMON(spits out the word). my story? yesss.... I am (previously) Honored house mage Nightshade Frecc the drow warrior. Born and grown in the city you would translate to "Spider despise" (Orbb phlith) in house Frecc. My spells began when I was 36... erratic high-level spells and wld magic effects... I had inadvertantly killed two priestesses by the time I began my training as a warrior. The temple decided to sponsor my warrior training, for a good reason; They would put me in the army. if I got even CLOSE to an enemy spellcaster, my wild magic zone would disrupt them. I learned how to cast spells inside my zone, without it being disrupted, and with my fighting skills I could get places in battle to get to where I was needed. Eventually, I rebelled, and I barley got out with my life. (preistesses spells turned elemental :devil: ) OOC: I have a good wild magic table (100 possibilities) so I'll roll. Just tell me the level. My wild-magic zone range is 30ft. :behold:
anglar 03-30-04, 12:32 AM	The soldiers of Opele Va' Esse' line up in battle formations. Armed with short swords and hand crossbows typical to the Drow, they keep their eys straight ahead as Anglar wlaks up and down their ranks. Soon, they would join with te other houses of the City in their invasion of Evermeet. "Soon, loyal sons of Opele Va' Esse', we will stand upon that blasphemus soil of Evermeet. When we finish with that island, the ocean will run red with their blood for so long that it will wash upon the very shores of the Sword Coast." A rise of cheers erupts from the soldiers as they shake their swords in the air. The city's mages begin casting a major spell that creates a portal which will leads to the shore of Evermeet. "Onward, for the glory of Lloth, Matron mother, and the deaths of so many who so rightly deserve it."
Silmarien Aldalome 03-30-04, 01:13 AM	"Make no mistake, Matron Mother. What I do here I do for myself and no one else. It only serves my purpose to serve you at this time. My house is no more, so are the ties that came with it. This is personal" He turns towards Zergal. "Wipe that lustful look off your face. You couldn't begin to comprehend what I'm capable of, or to whom I'd do such things" Licks his lips and kisses in Zergal direction. "Intesify this scrying. I want to know her as well as her Anglar. My plan has to work perfectly if I am to survive it. Or at least if she's not to." OoC: greetings Nightshade - well met. Matron Mother watches Anglar very closely - her face an immutable mask of propriety. This Anglar - like the first - is wayward in his loyalty - and seems bent on insult. "Where there is disobedience - there are Dryders." she smiles through barred teeth. "I don't suppose you're going to put on the histrionics as did the Anglar who preceded you then are you? Stab yourself and so on - and all that 'misery me'." Zirgal grins in approval - and mimics Anglar's behaviour - more to rile than anything else. He walks forwards - and holds eye contact with Anglar, taking no insult from him. He smiles and says "mayhap that what you do and to whom - is of no surprise to me. For to be surprised - one needs to move beyond that which is already known. Perhaps then..." he grins at Anglar - showing a perfect set of teeth "....there is a surprise for you Anglar - already waiting for you." he leers "Stop your drooling Zirgal" Matron Mother snaps - as she hits him over the head with a soft bag.
anglar 04-05-04, 10:31 AM	"When night falls again over Evermeet, we strike. I cannot risk exposure to the sun. My skin condition wouldn't really allow for it. Things are going precisely as I have been shown by Lady Lloth. Until then, I will be in his chambers. I do not wish to be disturbed." On his way to his chamber's, Anglar stops and points to Silimna. "You, come with me, NOW." She has no control over her movements. Anglar has possesed her mind, yet she remains conscious of what is going on around her. When they reach Anglar's chambers, the dorr opens and closes without a touch. Anglar turns on Silimna, "You don't have to worry about me killing you. Though I will bite you, it's not your blood I want. It's your thoughts that you'll share with me. I will know everything about this Silmarien before I meet her. . . . If you're a good girl, I won't tell Matron Mother what I know about you. If you're a really good girl, I may just decide to get you out of all this. That is, if you're not begging me to be by my side forever." Anglar pulls Silimna close. "This won't hurt half as much as you think it will." He sinks his fangs into her neck. Her body convulses for a moment, before going limp. "You do know much." Anglar continues to feed on her thoughts.
Silmarien Aldalome 04-06-04, 06:09 PM	OoC: next bit is through PM checks with Ang to clarify Ang-DM's acts guyz.... IC: Even in her dissociated hypnotic state - the walled away part of Silimna's consciousness is FURIOUS She feels a wave of disgust for the arrogance of the thought-vampire. But - her agency is unaltered and her will remains her own. Silimna also cries in terrible grief, knowing that she puts her cousin at risk by her own thoughts. But - she also senses that she can do something to protect her cousin....... ....."Anglar" sees Silmarien doubled over and crying, cradling a Man with a gaping wound on his forehead and the name "Kevman" comes into his mind's eye....Sil says to Silimna "no greater friend did I know ere this befell him. I will avenge this act even if it takes my whole life...." The image shifts - and now Anglar sees a tall Elf - regal and benevolent....."Telias" whispers in your mind's eye. Telias leans over Silmarien - and bestows her with the Robes of the Elven Council - and the Elves of the Northern Flame cheer in appreciation - welcoming Silmarien. Telias says "for your courage in battle - you have earned a place amongst us. Not in 10,000 years have the Elves extended this to a Half-Elf. Be welcome here Child of Bralas.....Telias bows as he hands Silmarien a Mithril Lantern....."For the Ellaedun is Gifted to the House of Bralas...." Thence - you see the cruel gaze of a wicked looking Elf - "Larreanne" whispers in your mind's eye. He carries an Assassin's curved blade, and it drips with black poison, as he strikes Silmarien down and you feel terrible pain, as the poison finds her heart - reexperiencing the agonising assault in voice, emotion, colour and sound....... From deep within some private recess of Silimna's mind - she prays "may this be enough". Then Anglar is done. She looks at him - and her face is filled with disgust. She says to him: "Your act is an Abomination - Life will abandon you for this travesty."
anglar 04-07-04, 11:00 AM	Originally posted by Silmarien Aldalome Then Anglar is done. She looks at him - and her face is filled with disgust. She says to him: "Your act is an Abomination - Life will abandon you for this travesty." Anglar pulls his bite from Silimna's neck and laughs. "Silly little girl. Don't forget that I am that other Anglar as well in many ways. I, too, lost my Angel. I simply chose to rule them all rather than destroy them all. You will learn all this soon enough, for you are to come with me the Evermeet. You will stand by my side. I want you to watch as Silmarien is cut down by that assassin's blade as your thoughts of foresight have given me. I even know which assassin to send know. I thank you." He gets up and starts for the door. Turning back to Silimna, "You will remain here until I return for you. I have some matters to attend to right now. Soon enough, though, I'll be back." He leaves, sealing the door behind him.
anglar 04-21-04, 10:03 PM	The caravan quickly moves back through the Underdark. With precision that would makes Helm's finest stand in awe, the Drow of Opele Va' Esse' dispatch with the remains of the rival houses. Anglar rides back on the battle platform. Then the vision he had from Silimna comes back to him. "Bring me the warrior Larreanne. I have a special duty for him." He clicks his heels on the floor as he paces back and forth. Anglar and Silmarien pass through the portal and see the remains of the Drow who were betrayed by Opele Va' Esse. Their bodies cut in precise movements so that they would bleed for awhile before dying. "She's still alive," he reaffirms Silmarien, as much as himself. "I'm not sure what we'll have to go through to get her back, but we will get her back."
Silmarien Aldalome 04-22-04, 01:10 AM	[i]The Abomination of this place stinks withg all the layers of hell. She flicks her hair over her shoulders. Her jaw clenches into an aspect of focussed determination. You know this face - once she takes on this disposition - it is the determination that has a basis in love, and fidelity that drives her forwards. Many times, she has failed in her resolve - but only when the purpose behind the resolve was on ill-conceived notions. But - kinship - is something that to a Half-Elf is the foundations of life. One of her kin - her cousin - has shown her love. To a Half-Elf - these gifts are few from the Elven race, let alone the Drow race. Because of their fewness, these Gifts take on the status of hallowed and sacred purpose. But she fears for her cousin. Her eyes fill with tears - as she takes Anglar's hand and walks by his side. "Beloved - do you have any plan or purpose? If you do not speak first - thence I shall make some suggestions. What say you?"
Zardnaar 04-22-04, 01:30 AM	If anyone here cares I have written a small article on the Drow in Redgars Repository. Yoink.
anglar 04-22-04, 01:56 AM	Originally posted by Silmarien Aldalome The Abomination of this place stinks withg all the layers of hell. She flicks her hair over her shoulders. Her jaw clenches into an aspect of focussed determination. You know this face - once she takes on this disposition - it is the determination that has a basis in love, and fidelity that drives her forwards. Many times, she has failed in her resolve - but only when the purpose behind the resolve was on ill-conceived notions. But - kinship - is something that to a Half-Elf is the foundations of life. One of her kin - her cousin - has shown her love. To a Half-Elf - these gifts are few from the Elven race, let alone the Drow race. Because of their fewness, these Gifts take on the status of hallowed and sacred purpose. But she fears for her cousin. Her eyes fill with tears - as she takes Anglar's hand and walks by his side. "Beloved - do you have any plan or purpose? If you do not speak first - thence I shall make some suggestions. What say you?" Holding fast to his beloved's hand, Anglar turns to face her. "Our purpose is simple. We are here to take Silimna back to Peredihl with us. My plan is even simpler. We kill everything that stands in our way, taking care only to not harm Silimna in the process. What we have to do here is something that I've never seen from you, though I know not whether you are capable of being down here what you must be to succeed in this endevour. That is for you and Rh'iel to determine. What you must become, my dear, is a cold blooded killer. There can be no hesitation in your action. They will show you no mercy, and therefore you must return that in kind. We have two things in our favor, though they know we are here no doubt. One, I trained them so I know there tactics. Two, they have no idea what we are capable of." OOC- Zardnaar, I'll be sure to take a look at it. Travel over to the Guild House and have a look. You'll find the foundations are located there now.
Frostbite_Ravenheart 04-22-04, 12:57 PM	ooc: Ok...I think I got the grips of whats going on thanks to a certin half-elven angel. If I dont well...Anyhoo Ima be expanding on my post I had on the evermeet foundation! In a chamber prehaps not so far away: Lay a man beaten. A man beaten not by his enemies who have yet to harm him like they could but by himself. He had used every last ounce of willpower, strength and magic he had to try and break his bindes and escape. But now he looked more like a caged dog or bat than a true werewolf or bloodsucking vampire. A paladin without his sword, a bard without his mandolin and a ranger without his woods. Lord Frostbite Ravenheart, a general of the rich Ravenheart Family set in Venice and Sicily in the world of darkness, The last remaining Blessed of Luna, the only garou to bring a pack of wolves down to the abyss and kill an aspect of the wyrm, the only vampire who drink all the blood of a Venice vampire prince. Trapped. He knew too that there was an imposter running about as him. How easy it would be to copy him! All they would have to do was sing and match sword and claw to all that oppose him! Frosty had an image over him now. He couldent tell if this image was infront of him or all in his head. But he say her. A black-clawed spider standing over him laughing as tinny spiders came out to torture him some more. His anger becoming too big for his broken body gathered...and he made one last attempt to escape... -Frosty
Silmarien Aldalome 04-23-04, 03:46 AM	OoC: First of all - to Frostbite - you're a very kind man. Thank you. Erm, if Frosty (Real one) would like to have another role - I reckon our DM (Ang) and you might wanna negotiate in PM's. First: IC to Ang: Beloved - cold blooded killer I am not. But - I will protect you and my beloved with all that I am. There shall be no hesitation to use the Runestaff here when it is needed. My Oath of Peace, however - prevents me from slaying defenseless creatures. She looks into Anglars eyes as she sings softly - with a gentle glow on the Runestaff: Do not kill when maiming will suffice Do not main when binding will suffice Do not bind when strong words will suffice Do not use strong words when joy will suffice Rest assured beloved - none will harm you....she thinks to herself. And her eyes narrow - and any who would trick or deceive me - will know my wrath. I have readied Quickened, Stilled, Silent Spell-Contingencies for betrayals." Now Drow Captors to Frosty A male Drow holds a Gem up to the light. When he looks inside - he can see Frostbite pounding fists against a metaphysical cage. "Now Frostbite Ravenheart - it is time to talk. Out of your prison now". He incants with Drow Arcane potency - and hurls the gem against the floor. As it shatters into 10,000 shards - Frosty appears. Several Drow grab him - leering and jeering. Clapping hands and teasing. OoC: Michael - would you like to take over this plot-theme? Or would you like me to continue with it? FROSTY - if Ang says "Sil - you take it" - use any and all tricks you have to break free from your captors!!!! If not - Anglar will guide you. warm regards to all stav
anglar 04-27-04, 05:57 PM	Originally posted by Silmarien Aldalome IC to Ang: Beloved - cold blooded killer I am not. But - I will protect you and my beloved with all that I am. There shall be no hesitation to use the Runestaff here when it is needed. My Oath of Peace, however - prevents me from slaying defenseless creatures. She looks into Anglars eyes as she sings softly - with a gentle glow on the Runestaff: Do not kill when maiming will suffice Do not main when binding will suffice Do not bind when strong words will suffice Do not use strong words when joy will suffice Rest assured beloved - none will harm you....she thinks to herself. And her eyes narrow - and any who would trick or deceive me - will know my wrath. I have readied Quickened, Stilled, Silent Spell-Contingencies for betrayals." As they make their way across the floor of the Underdark, Anglar says to Silmarien, "Here, my love, there is no such thing as a cold blooded killer. Mercy is rewarded with Death. We have no friends here save for Silimna." Quickly Anglar stabs within an inch of Silmarien's head, but past it. Black blood runs down the length of his blade. "Cave rattler. Very poisionous, but quite tasty and they make good leather."
Silmarien Aldalome 04-27-04, 06:41 PM	OoC: Frosty - Ang-DM wants us to develop that sstory line. Your initiative. When he stabs the airs about her head - she reaches out with a hand - and gently places it on his sword arm. The fragrance of fresh herbs finds you. Holding his gaze with her green eyes, she says "I've no doubt you are right beloved. Friendship between the Drow runs thin. It is a wonder to me that they survive at all with such an outlook on life." she becomes thoughtful and adds "...still, Ellistrae, I believe leads a Corum of the Faithful. This says to me that the Drow can be Redeemed."
anglar 05-11-04, 06:39 PM	OOC - my apologies for this taking so long Anglar sits easily at a scrying bowl, watching his other and her make their way. "Yes," he thinks aloud, "I wouldn't want anything to happen to them before too soon. I want to enjoy watching them squirm a little. Though I have little doubt that they'll be knocking at my door before I know it." Days, it seemed, had passed since they entered the Underdark. Even with their Elven blood, the lack of good sleep was starting to take its toll on the both of them. Anglar doubted Silmarien was getting much more rest than he was, even though he insisted she take more. Somehow he was able to tell rather acurrately when 12 hours had passed. Anglar would take first to allow Sil to rest for eight and prepare any spells that she believed she would need. Anglar would only take four hours and never reset his mind of spells, mostly because he let his bow and blade do the talking for him. He also spent some trying to teach his wife the complicated Drow hand language. The days would get harder as they closed on their target. The end is near.
Silmarien Aldalome 05-12-04, 10:28 PM	OOC - my apologies for this taking so long OoC: accepted. I often deliberately put myself last on a thread so that someone else doesn't have to feel ashamed at not "getting a response" from anyone. I don't want to sound like a martyr - but it's an act of self-sacrifice. There's one commodity in our world that is scarce (trust) - and I'd rather be part of the solution not the problem - by responding to someone's post. Honour the Giver by Accepting the Gift. If you are reading this, and you are not Anglar, Frostbite or Drachentoeter (who always turns up when the going gets the toughest) - then I would like you to think about how you can contribute without feeling ashamed, and without feeling like you've got nothing to offer - or that the thread is "dead". Being last on a thread is not a bad reflection on you - it's a GOOD reflection on you. The posters I most respect at WotC are those who measure success by what they give not what they take. Also - the thread is *not* dead. It's very much *alive* - and threads never ever die - they just rest. Peredhil Halls has been resusitated several times. And will be again, when the time is right. I'm not asking you to post a theses three times a day. But - I am asking you to think about how you can assist from time to time by an act of generosity. While you may enjoy reading threads - you read them because we write them. I note that threads have a 10 to 1 read-to-post ratio. My goodness! Who are these readers - who hide their words from our eyes. Don't you know - your words are as valuable as anyones - and what can we learn from you if you don't voice yourself! Get Involved. It's good for your soul. You can't grow unless you take (good) risks in life. Don't be Bilbo Baggins before he left Bag End - be Peregrin Took - of the Line of The Old Took - and Meriadoc Brandybuck - who inspired us with his courage. If you feel ashamed - tell us - so that we can set a remedy in place. But - the double bind, reader, is that you need to trust us to be free to firstly speak up. We, here, are trustworthy. Know that. Join the Brandybucks and don't be a Grima Wormtongue. IC: Silmarien trapses through the Underdark - in unfaltering stride. She knows this place is perilous - and she knows there's a creepy vampire replica of Anglar running around. Sil privately thinks the Vampire Anglar is really just a misguided fool who succumbed to Undead-dome by way of some tragedy. She is not concerned for herself. She knows she will be alright - because she has Rh'iel's Voice guiding her within. This is Song, Light and Joy. It is also Humility, and Anger - when needed too. In an affirmation of Anglar's presence, she, on occasion, leans a hand on his shoulder - or wipes grim from his brough. She knows that the Underdark is Anglar's home in one way - but feels the pain that this place brings to him. But - Elven Food recalls the Light of the surface world in her mind's eye.... To Frosbite OoC: - you're initiative. Upstream - you've just been grabbed by the jeering Drow - what do you do..... Stav
Tenzhi 05-13-04, 03:06 AM	OOC: I'm interested in how all of this will turn out, but it really seems like this particular section of RP is a (closed) bit specifically centered around Anglar and Silmarien. The events transpiring are intimately intertwined with their own personal stories and too much outside interference, I feel, would sully the waters of their tale.
anglar 05-13-04, 03:36 AM	Originally posted by Tenzhi OOC: I'm interested in how all of this will turn out, but it really seems like this particular section of RP is a (closed) bit specifically centered around Anglar and Silmarien. The events transpiring are intimately intertwined with their own personal stories and too much outside interference, I feel, would sully the waters of their tale. OOC - True that what is going on seems to centered on Sil and myself, but it wouldn't be hard for me to work another into the plotline. I've little idea what's going on with Frosty because I'm letting Sil run that part. She's more familiar with the particulars. Believe me, Anglar would actually be quite happy to have The Elf Bane arrive, especially at a certain point, which we could discuss in PMs. Besides, how better to describe ourselves than by the company we keep and those we call "FRIEND"? Despite some differences, I have a high opinion of you Tenzhi. Anglar moves about his warroom with a fluid motion. Commanders awaiting his orders. "Make certain that the cracks are there, but they mustn't be obvious in the slightest way. He'd notice that, even if he is tired. Make sure that only your best spy could find them." He focuses on the scrying bowl. "Yes. Yes," he coos. "Soon enough you will be deep enough in my web, and I will have my revenge on her. Never will I forgive the insult her other committed against me. I will kill them all." Using only his cloak to cover them, fearing that magic may be detected, Anglar beckons Sil to follow closely as they slip past guard posts. Thinking it safer to bypass most of the soldiers, soldiers he trained, the going is slow, but this one must be dealt with inorder to pass on. There is no getting past him without him noticing, but beyond the traveling is clear as far as one can see. Anglar motions for Sil to wait, with spells and blade ready should they be needed, until he signals for her to follow. Like a creature born of the Underdark, Anglar climbs along the wall and then ceiling using nothing but his hands and legs. Once above the sentry, he drops down on him from 40 feet above, making almost no noise during the fall and less when he strikes. The unsuspecting soldier never knew what hit him. One moment he was standing his post. The next he was looking directly behind him while his feet were still facing the same direction. Anglar motions for Sil to advance and removes the sentry's piwafi. "This will help keep you hidden without raising any suspicious eyes." A small gash oozes blood from where he struck a rock upon landing, but he says nothing. He only moves further on, knowing full well that a sea of blood would be spilt before this was over.
Silmarien Aldalome 05-13-04, 09:35 AM	Originally posted by Tenzhi OOC: ....but it really seems like this particular section of RP is a (closed) bit specifically centered around Anglar and Silmarien.... OoC: We install only those barriers crafted from our self-limiting assumptions - about what we "should" do - rather than what we "could" do. RP is an expression of freedom, not limitation. It's your chance to explore new frontiers of self-hood and other-ness. It's as closed as Samwise and Frodo were to the other parts of LotR (i.e. not). Sam and Frodo walked alone while Eowyn felled the Black Rider - and Theoden dies and Denethor goes awol..... Frosty's got his own story too - ...The Drow press so closely to Frostbite that he can smell the reeks on their breath. They jostle him and jeer, while twisting his arm behind his back to subdue him..... ***** Sil extends the Prying Eyes ahead, around corners all the while gleaning information from the Underdark. She is no novice to magic either - and she is a high priest of Rh'iel. The Wisdom of Spirituality as a sister to the might of the Arcane. She studies the aether around her - Rune staff in front of her. Her Contingency Spells - she speaks of to noone - - they are for The Watchers - who know their every step - their beating eyes like burning eyes in the back. But - she wants them to see her and Anglar. She is unafraid of them. She raises her staff - and to the air says "Watchers! Watchers! In thine Halls walks thine Doom. The Drow know only secrecy and subterfuge - and these tools I need not. For the Power of Secrecy is Broken by Declaration - and therefore subdued by Truth. I march in your halls - unveiled! And I care NOT what malice you would make against me!" The reek of sulphurous fumes finds the solitary pair from time to time - as they walk on.
Tenzhi 05-13-04, 10:13 PM	He has been silently following them for days... weeks... time is meaningless to this one. He simply does the bidding of his master, as always. His master tells him to hunt elves, and he hunts elves - even into the depths of the Underdark. Ah, the Underdark... he has been to many planes and tasted the flesh of many varieties of elf, but none is so sweet as that of the Drow. Much tastier than the elves that he hunts now - one with the sour taint of human blood and the other a bittersweet blend. He is Ahssra M'liss, Captain of the Blood Kobolds, and soon he will catch his prey...
Frostbite_Ravenheart 05-13-04, 10:34 PM	ooc - What? What? Where am i...no...no NO I dont want to go to school NO!!!... Sorry I kinda forgot a bout this thread. ...so with that Frostbite went into Garou WarForm or better known as the half-human, half-werewolf fourm. He could feel his blood running through his half-dead veins, the gnosis slowly returning to his heart, his bardly magic returning to his tounge and the anti-magic barrier weakining. Frost only looked at him and sad as the drow stuck his tounge out at him "I will have that tounge by the end of this day". Than Combining all the magic of the bard, the skills of a vampire and the pure instictive rage of a Garou Frosty slashes the drow across the face. Jumping back quickly regaining his senses he charged up and made another swing at the drow for he knew that he might be a spellcaster. The drow dodged the next swing with a gracefull step than made an upercut slash with his falcon as frosty went unbalanced. Frosty jumped back to use a vampric spell of speed but got slashed once more for he was not quick enough. Finally increadbily ****** off he summonded all his powers of strength and speed ignoring a slash to the head by the drow than pounced on the drow jumping into the air and falling down apon him with one claw holding the drows neck and the other holding his tounge. Between yanking the tounge out in one hand and ripping the drows skull apart with another Frostbite Ravenheart looks at him and says "I told you so..." Frosty looked around. He could definitly feel the anti-magic barrier dying. He switched back to Half-Elven fourm and found his stuff in a little corner of the room. For some odd reason everything seemed to be intact. He put on his Forest Green Tunic, picked up his golden-leaf-Green Mandolin, a common looking hand and a half sword with a strange firery aura, and a very majestic and moonlike sword radiating great and kingly powers. OOC: No I am not a rip off with a MoonBlade...its unique... :P -Frosty
anglar 05-14-04, 12:09 AM	Originally posted by Silmarien Aldalome "Watchers! Watchers! In thine Halls walks thine Doom. The Drow know only secrecy and subterfuge - and these tools I need not. For the Power of Secrecy is Broken by Declaration - and therefore subdued by Truth. I march in your halls - unveiled! And I care NOT what malice you would make against me!" The reek of sulphurous fumes finds the solitary pair from time to time - as they walk on.[/i] With his Wife's outburst of defiance at the need to sneak behind the Drow lines, Anglar simply lets his head dip low in amused frustration. "We were half way there." he mutters under his breath before flashing up, his bow at the ready. Like ants, the Drow soldiers came rushing to them, running the cavern floor, dipping out of holes in the walls, or riding lizards which could cling the the ceilings. Within minutes, hundreds of them would be in the chamber. Within an hour, they'd all be dead. The arrows fly from his bow, bringing with them the flashes of death and searing purification of Tyr. Only the enchanted quiver he recieved from Castor Troy as a wedding gift, one that would always be full of arrows, kept him from running dry before one could take two breaths. Trusting Sil to blast away with all she had, Anglar danced around her in tight circles, leaving a path 30 feet deep of dead Drow. Like an underground tidal wave, the tiny bolts rained down upon them, no doubt coated with the imfamous Drow poison, but it would do no good. The vast majoity missed entirely while many more bounced off the invisible barrier formed by the special magic of his belt. What few did pierce his skin were nothing more than bug bites. But those bites were answered with bolts of lightning that raced to those who fired those shots, burning them to death. Anglar now glowed bright red, to match his anger. Fully better than half the force was already dead, yet they did not retreat as Drow were often wont to do. Anglar could not help but feel a small amount of pride in that. It was his training that brought them to this point. Pity that they didn't learn when to quit. Tables went flying when Silmarien burst out and brought the Drow soldiers swarming in on his quarry. He knew too well that his other and she would be able to handle them at this point. "DAMN HER! Ever the precocious one, she just had to go shouting out about how Rh'iel would protect her and her love no matter what we throw at them! And like fools they attack even when I explicitly tell them NOT UNTIL I GIVE THE COMMAND!" Clinches his fists as he raises his hands to the side of his head. Turning on the silver heel of his boot towards a captian. "Bring me every last one of them that "survives" the battle. I've no use for soldiers who can't even follow the simplest of orders. At least their blood will be spilt to feed me. . . . DAMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!"
Tenzhi 05-14-04, 12:41 AM	Ducking into a nearby crevasse, Ahssra watched as the sweetmeats appeared suddenly, rushing forward to strike down the foolish female and her mate. Let the prey fend for themselves for now, he thinks to himself, drooling as the overwhelming scent of drow reminds him of how hungry he is. As the last of the drow squad passes by, Ahssra quickly reaches out and pulls one into the crevasse, slitting his throat before he can yell out and lapping at the blood as the drow soldier gurgles his last. While Bittersweet and Sour finish off all the sweetmeats, Ahssra fills his belly with his favourite delicacy.
Silmarien Aldalome 05-14-04, 09:44 PM	OoC: We have a corum. Hello&welcome Frosty and Tenzhi!!!! Tenzhi - I won't be eating dinner tonight .... *chuckles* WE'RE BEING STALKED!!! Are lurkers stalkers? *chuckles again* There is a cacophany of swearing, shouting and ruccous as the recalcitrant Drow soldiers hurl their dark malice at the duo. She watches the sinews of her husband's muscular arms clench as he makes great sweeping arcs that cut through the Drow at every turn. She turns to him with a look of concentrated focus The Prying Eyes say that 500 elles down the track - the way is unguarded on a secondary conduit. I will ward our concealment thither. But - they must not know we make for that passage way. But - do you know where it leads, or a better course of action? A random bolt - afire with Arcane Red of the Drow comes hurling through the air, whistling as it flies. Sil incants once, and she strikes the Arcane-Red with Pereldar-Blue - and the red bolt vanishes. Deftly meandering around her husband's sword-dance, she raises the Rune-Staff at a timely moment Make Stardust-afire Burning comets of Creation Strike them down - a conflagration Burn it bright - make it hot See them perish as they trot A corruscation of meteors in incandescent fury strikes down upon the legions of the Drow. She incants and focuses - shaping the meteor swarm strategically, so that dead Drow provide partial cover from the onslaught.... ***************** Frostbite Ravenheart can hear that the fight has attracted some attention. He barely gets a chance to don his gear, before the sounds of feet can be heard approaching. Frosty - you are in a room. It is 10 feet by 10 feet, and the door is open. You can't see anything in the corridor, because it's black. What do you do?
Frostbite_Ravenheart 05-14-04, 10:01 PM	ooc - I dont know that anyone such as Tenzi and Ang are here right...? Frosty draws his sword and marches forward. He chuckled as he stoped himself in the middle of casting a spell relizing that his mind was comming back to him and that he should save his magic. He chuckled again as he relized that he was no better off than Bellarosa's blind uncle waving his cane around stubbornly trying to navigate by himself. "Snap out of it Frost, Bellarosas was a crisis you cant deal with now!" Frosty told himself. Eventually bumping into a wall he reached into his pocket and took out some moon salve and rubbed it onto his eyes. "I gotta remeber to 'revisit' that selunite again" Frost thanked the selunite who he had grown fast friends with, after he convinced her he was a "good werewolf". Frost stumbled around for a second as light came to his eyes a little quicker than he expected. After regaining his balance he looked up to see...well he was'nt quite sure what it was but it was big...and spidery looking than mumbled not-so-subtily "Welp i'm probably going to die today...lets see how many baddies I can pick off one my one before I do eh? -Frosty
Silmarien Aldalome 05-14-04, 10:38 PM	OoC: Update: 1. Frosty gets captured by Drow at Pereldar Gardens at the Reception. He is imprisoned in a Soul Gem. 2. He is transported back to the Underdark. 3. His captors shatter the gem to begin torturing him. 4. Frostbite attacks his captor as bard/garu/undead thingy whatsit song stuff. 5. He is separated from Anglar, Sil, and Tenzhi, at the moment. As a Garu - you can smell Drow Flesh about 50 elles and approaching. There are ten or so you think, and your sense of smell picks out one amongst them that is not Drow. You don't recognise the scent - but you can also feel a terrible sense of dread in the darkness....
anglar 05-14-04, 11:00 PM	Originally posted by Silmarien Aldalome [i]The Prying Eyes say that 500 elles down the track - the way is unguarded on a secondary conduit. I will ward our concealment thither. But - they must not know we make for that passage way. But - do you know where it leads, or a better course of action? [i] You make for it when I say. Go down 100 elles and wait for me, no more than a minute. I'll meet you there and we'll continue on. In the meanwhile, I'll lead them away and track back. Trust me. I know what I'm doing, and I'll be by your side within that minute. Even though he knows Sil is hesitant about leaving him, Anglar knows these caverns well. All roads lead to Silimna. Anglar sends a bolt of brilliant light shooting from his sword near where Silmarien must enter the secondary conduit. Before it can explode, Anglar grabs Sil and holds her in for a kiss longer than they should be taking now, but reflexes will keep her eyes closed so that she is not blinded by the blast like the Drow soldiers will be. In the instant ofter the flash, Anglar release the kiss. "Go! Now! I'll meet you there! . . . GO!" When Silmarien is safely on her way, Anglar takes a path that mirrors it but leads to the other side of the cavern. Coming out of their dazes, the Drow soldiers catch the glimpse of Anglar that he left of himself dashing into the small tunnel. Barely fifty left from what was probably 500 now followed. Resheathing his sword while running, Anglar takes a silver stake from his belt. At an over hang just on the other side of a sharp turn he jams the stake into the ceiling and swings himself into the tunnel above and presses himself to the floor. Quietly he incants a spell, dragging it out until most of his persuers have passed. When he's reasonably sure that most have passed, he finishes, unleashing a vibrant array of colors as a prismatic wall snakes its way down the tunnel, filling it, and most likely killing the Drow within. With all the speed he has left to him, he rushes to where he knows Silmarien should be waiting for him. Counting of the time in his head, he arrives with 3 seconds to spare.
Silmarien Aldalome 05-15-04, 12:12 AM	You make for it when I say. Go down 100 elles and wait for me, no more than a minute. I'll meet you there and we'll continue on. In the meanwhile, I'll lead them away and track back. Trust me. I know what I'm doing, and I'll be by your side within that minute. [/MeantalMode There is a flash of blue-white light - and Anglar grabs her as the light reveals a particular point and place. Her husband's kiss finds her - even with legions of Drow all about - he finds the time to spare her from blindness and to re-affirm their love. [MentalMode]Take this now Beloved. She clasps his hand - and in her palm she has a small item. Anglar feels something circular find him. Sil closes his fingers around the item - making the gesture seamless - and inobvious - so that The Watchers don't notice. "Go! Now! I'll meet you there! . . . GO!" She opens her eyes - and as the blinded Drow struggle to orient themselves. The smell of ozone fills the air from Anglar's lightning. She Silences an Enchantment, her deft hands forming the necessary Arcane motions - and magical power suddenly surges around them. Amidst the piles of dead Drow, there is a sudden blast of strong winds and loud roaring sounds - as a blurred flash of a form dashes through the confused enemies. She arrives at the designated spot as Anglar counts ....one two....
anglar 05-18-04, 12:22 AM	Hearing Silmarien count aloud, Anglar moves up behind here from a narrow tunnel. As she reaches fifty-seven, he clasps his hand over her mouth. "Shhhhh," he whispers into her ear. "lots of things other than Drow hunt in these caverns, and they do it by sound." Making sure she is unharmed, Anglar holds out the small metal disk Sil slipped him just before they parted. "What's this for?" After receiving his answer, "We best make haste. They'll discover soon enough that we've taken a different route. We'd have to be insane the way we're going now, but we are nonetheless. Ever seen an underground lake of lava? Without a bridge?" Furious at how easily they got away, Anglar finishes off the last of the surviving soldiers. Blood still dripping down his tunis, "Bring her to me. I will know her thoughts on the now. And bring the one here as well. He should be ready."
Silmarien Aldalome 05-18-04, 02:04 AM	seeing him reveal the trinket - Sil's eyes reveal concern to Anglar ...hush beloved as she takes the trinket - and with her other hand - hands him something else [/MentalMode]...do not let the Watchers see what I make of this[/MentalMode] - "it is a gift to thee Beloved" she says out loud - making the old trinket a little more obvious to sight "a sign of my esteem to thee. It is old and of my House." ...act as if the old trinket is the one I emphasise beloved..
anglar 05-18-04, 02:10 AM	"Now is not the time for wedding gifts. Speaking of which, some honeymoon, eh? First we travel to Evermeet to defend Elves who would just as soon see the both of us dead. Then we travel the Underdark. At least the one we help this time will be more appreciative of our actions. I wonder how things are going for them up there. No matter now. I should warn you that we'll have to cross the lava lake by physical means. Magic is too unstable there to be trusted. A spell meant to make us fly for hours might last but moments. If one thing, they won't be able to scry us while we're there." ;)
Silmarien Aldalome 05-18-04, 09:39 AM	OoC: *chuckles* - it's like an episode of Get Smart..."but Max - the Mini Magnet is more powerful than the Maxi Magnet...." Originally posted by anglar "Now is not the time for wedding gifts. Speaking of which, some honeymoon, eh? First we travel to Evermeet to defend Elves who would just as soon see the both of us dead. Then we travel the Underdark. At least the one we help this time will be more appreciative of our actions. I wonder how things are going for them up there. No matter now. I should warn you that we'll have to cross the lava lake by physical means. Magic is too unstable there to be trusted. A spell meant to make us fly for hours might last but moments. If one thing, they won't be able to scry us while we're there." ;) ....that's it..... ...Hangs her head momentarily, before looking up in appeal. She flicks her hair over her shoulder...."Some honeymoon! Ai!" Anglar leads them onwards - and when it is safe enough, she risks some momentary light from the Runestaff and you see she smiles brightly in the darkness. Their faces reflect the gentle blue Pereldar light for a moment, eyes twinkling "...and that which followed the wedding! Our poor priest - having to put up with all that drama! If I ever see a dimple-chinned Chosen ever again - I shall be sure to run screaming as fast as I can!" The darkness of The Underdark reasserts iself like an oppressive weight "Yet - even in the darkest hour, thou hast taught me to celebrate love. Therefore - even though we walk through the Darkness - this Gift..... (i.e. the OLD trinket - the NEW trinket is in your other hand) ....is for me to bestow to whom and when I choose. It is of my line. Already ancient when my forebears incanted in the Darkest Hours of the Elvish Provinces - thence they brought forth Mythal Skybridge. This is the wonder of the Southern World. Its Aura comes to life once a year - as an azure radiance - by the starlight of midsummer night's eve. Keep the ring safe my liege - it is a Symbol of Hope - as bright as the Elven Song of Mythal Skybridge ...lead us forwards now Anglar Goldstems!"
Frostbite_Ravenheart 05-18-04, 03:37 PM	Originally posted by anglar [B][i] "Now is not the time for wedding gifts. Speaking of which, some honeymoon, eh? First we travel to Evermeet to defend Elves who would just as soon see the both of us dead. Then we travel the Underdark. ooc: lol! Go Anglar! --------------------------- Not yet ready for another fight Frost sings alittle spell of improved invisability. "Prehaps I shall follow these drow, if I can stand there smell long enough. I Dont know how big this fortress is so I might as well fight a map" he whispers to himself, however Frosty grows out vampire teeth just in case he needs a silent death. -Frosty
Tenzhi 05-18-04, 04:32 PM	OOC: What the 'ell's an "elle"? IC: Ahssra felt the prickle of magick's familiar to his master prick at his senses an instant before a flash of light flickered past his hiding place. Peeking his head out he sees a number of dead drow lying about the cavern, as well as a number who were temporarily blinded by the flash. Hissing something in draconic that loosely translates to "A minion's work is never done," Ahssra creeps out of the crevasse, slowly and invisibly picking his way through the cavern, sniffing here and there for traces of his prey. Not that he needs to follow by scent - he can still sense the peculiar magic that clings to the sour one - but he prefers to put all of his skills to use rather than rely too heavily on one ability. After verifying the direction they went, Ahssra places a few caltrops of warding down a different tunnel before following after his prey.
anglar 05-20-04, 10:45 PM	The heat from the lava pool was quite intense. It expanded for over 500 yards before the cavern resumed its own course. Though the lava splashed violently within its area, none seemed to escape the boundary it had already established. "Wild magic zone. For what ever reason the lave can only flow through here. You'll need to secure down any pouches or anything else that can come open. Rh'iel knows what will happen to them when we step in." Anglar begins pulling out lengths of rope from a pouch of holding. "Some time back I installed some iron rings in the ceiling of the cavern along with some ladders to get us there. We've got two choices on how to get across. Either we can take enough rope each to tie to one ring and swing to the next, leaving the ropes behind, or I can swing out to the second ring and shoot two ropes spliced together back to you. You can tie that around your waist. Then we can swing each other to alternating rings and get across faster. What do you say?
Silmarien Aldalome 05-20-04, 11:25 PM	Not yet ready for another fight Frost sings alittle spell of improved invisability. "Prehaps I shall follow these drow, if I can stand there smell long enough. I Dont know how big this fortress is so I might as well fight a map" he whispers to himself, however Frosty grows out vampire teeth just in case he needs a silent death. OoC: CREEPY! *chuckles* a hint - Drow can see in the Dark. Make sure you can't be seen. Frostbite finds a very secluded hiding place and draws his cloak about him, so that he is concealed in the various hiding places in the environment. The Drow find their way into the open cell - and see the dead Drow and missing captive. There is a series of barked commands and shouts of anger from the commanding Drow. You can smell them - they are 30 feet from you - and their characteristic odour reminds you of fungi. Probably something in their diet, you think from the Underdark. After a few minutes, there is a shuffling of feet - and movement down the hallway. You can smell one remaining Drow as the larger group head off..... OoC: FROSTY how do you follow the group - do you try to sneak past the guard or do you want to try to do him in first? ...next post - for Ang+Tenzh
Silmarien Aldalome 05-20-04, 11:32 PM	Tenzhi - nice post - an "elle" is a unit of measure. Frodo and Sam's rope at Emyn Muil was 50 elles. "...Anglar Goldstems.." she chuckles as he begins tieing ropes about her waste. She re-arranges the tresses of his hair as he does this and says "I don't like the idea of swinging from a rope above a pool of larva! But, make it the faster option beloved. Can you leave a trap here for our pursuers? Remember - I can assist us with Dweomer if need arises. That is, unless you are not able to be affectd by Dweomer. Your aura seems to suggest that magic would not work on you however. Do I read this correctly?
anglar 05-21-04, 12:00 AM	"While swinging over lava isn't my idea of how to spend a night on the town, it is efficient nonetheless. Using spells of any kind here can be dangerous, my dear. The effect can be what you want or something different. As for pursuers, I don't think we have to worry about that. Only someone who's completely insane would try to cross this thing, which is why we're doing it." As they climb the mithril ladder embedded into the cavern wall, it's easily noticed that the metal isn't hot at all. "One of the peculiarities of this place, metal doesn't conduct heat." Reaching the platform, "Now, be sure to push off the top as hard as you can. I'll swing you though to the next loop and then you can do the same for me. If it sounds like I've done this before, it's because I have." Devilish smile escapes his lips. After fitting the rope tightly around his waist, Anglar begins climbing out to the first ring. Tying one end to the large ring, "See you on the other side." and he leaps out. At first just falling, the slack in the rope finally is taken up and Anglar swings out in a long arc to the next ring. Yelling back, "Now tie that end to you and jump. If you don't catch the ring on the first pass, don't worry. I can swing you back to it. Shouldn't take us more than 10 minutes to cross this way."
Silmarien Aldalome 05-21-04, 01:35 AM	Originally posted by anglar "While swinging over lava isn't my idea of how to spend a night on the town, it is efficient nonetheless. Using spells of any kind here can be dangerous, my dear. The effect can be what you want or something different. As for pursuers, I don't think we have to worry about that. Only someone who's completely insane would try to cross this thing, which is why we're doing it." Sil concentrates closely on Anglar's words as he speaks of the pitfalls of spellcasting in the Underdark. She smooths out the creases in his brow with a gentle touch as he talks. She can see how returning to the Underdark brings both familiarity and poised-watchfulness to Anglar. It worries her to see him so. And - she is a Versemaster - who has only survived because she has been able to mind well the many lessons a spellcaster must learn in a hostile world. She has an advantage over the power-mad, because she remains in touch with her essential vulnerability. Spells do not take away the fact that she remains flesh and blood, and neither does power spare her from risk. So, she focuses closely on Anglar's cautions, her senses are carefully tuned into the environment, and they study the very airs for threat. "Now, be sure to push off the top as hard as you can. I'll swing you though to the next loop and then you can do the same for me. Her eyes widen into considered vigilance, and reveal the whites of her eyeballs above the iris as Anglar speaks. She applies her intelligence to this task, carefully integrating Anglar's words into her memory. If it sounds like I've done this before, it's because I have." Devilish smile escapes his lips. She says, with a grin to match his "I'm sure you have. Make sure your rope knows the same tale!" "Now tie that end to you and jump. If you don't catch the ring on the first pass, don't worry. I can swing you back to it. Shouldn't take us more than 10 minutes to cross this way." ....she swings through the airs - and in a giant arc, comes very close to the lava fires below. There is a rush of heat and sulphorous fumes that assault the nostrils at the lowest point in the swing, as the stomach sinks and rises within, bringing a faint touch of nausea. At the still point in the pendulum, she reaches out and grabs the metal ring.....
Frostbite_Ravenheart 05-21-04, 03:21 PM	OOC: Excuse me for not posting out a long italic post but it looked too short and too stupid and I couldent fix it too look better :(. Well I will follow the main group but I am gonna lag before a little more and pay close attention so I dont get flanked accidentally, I'm assuming I am in a one-way cave. -Frosty
anglar 05-22-04, 12:06 AM	As Silmarien able to grab the ring, Anglar relxes a little. "Now hook yourself in and now hen you're ready for me to go. If it weren't for the lava, I'd say let's try and make a race of this, but safe before fast." When Sil nods that she is ready, Anglar swoops down in a long arc. The sight of the lava seeming to race up to meet him is both thrilling and terrifying all at the same time. Death no longer holds fear over Anglar. He gave that up a long time ago. When he come to the next ring, he slides an arm into it and hooks his legs around the bars. Nodding for Sil to take her turn, he grasps the rope and pulls her through her swing, taking no chances with her safety. After a few more alternating swings, they reach the ladder that leads back to they cavern floor. Once there they exit the lava pool. "As soon as we round that corner your spells should act normally. D'marcravia (I finally got around to naming the Drow City) isn't that far."
Silmarien Aldalome 05-22-04, 01:27 AM	Hi Ho Frosty ...The Drow raise the Alarm! "Frostbite has escaped!! Frostbite has escaped!! Quick, get the trackers - summon the mages" they cry - barking orders too and fro - with Drow scurrying here and there. You manage to stay hidden in the shadows - but the activity is gathering around you. You follow them down a long tunnel that opens out into a vast underground city - D'marcravia! You can see the vaguest of outlines of buildings by way of a purple faerie light coming from a gian t obelisk in the city centre. There are towers of sharp teeth, hard stone work. It is a city of cruel beauty, of highly polished black stone work. There is quite a bit of activity around you.... what do you do? Death no longer holds fear over Anglar. He gave that up a long time ago. [i]She knows this about him - ...you have a wife now Anglar Goldstems - ward! I don't want to be putting you in the ground in a box, beloved... "As soon as we round that corner your spells should act normally. D'marcravia (I finally got around to naming the Drow City) isn't that far." "...it's good not to be too dependent magical power - we weren't born with it after all." as she rearranges her robes, and tightens her waste belt. She readies the Runestaff - humming quietly as she tunes into its Lore. And even so, she is only just at the beginning of her understanding of the Pereldar Starfire - a newly recovered Lore - as ancient as recorded history and even before. She tunes into the environment, and can here the dripping of water. The airs carry a faint reek of sulphur. "What knowledge do you have of this City - and we need a contingency plan in the event that we get separated."
Tenzhi 05-22-04, 01:33 AM	Ahssra creeps into the lava-filled cavern just as his prey descend a ladder on the other side. Hissing softly he darts back out into the shadows, cursing himself for rushing forward into the dimly lit area. He waits for his prey to exit the cavern, then he walks out to examine the lava pool. Given the violent bubbling and flaring, the rock is much too liquefied for Ahssra to just run over the top. And he certainly doesn't relish the idea of swimming through it, what with the pressure that would exert upon a body. Looks like there's nothing for it but to climb across on the wall, which will slow him down more than he'd like. With a resigned hiss he leaps up and digs into the wall, creating hand and footholds with climbing claws. Slowly he begins making his way sideways over the lava pool.
Frostbite_Ravenheart 05-22-04, 10:04 AM	"The city is great. I doubt those mages and even trackers can find me among all the rabell. I know not enough about drow culture to profess my self as a nobleman or even a common thug or soldier. Orcs however...orcs...I've been fighting orcs for a long time." so with that Frostbite sneaks into the city disguised as an Orc Merchant using an Alter Self spell along with a few other illusions. "I must be fast, hide, let this die down, then escape the city. There gonna be probing for illusions" -Frosty
anglar 05-24-04, 07:57 PM	"When we reach to city, stay three paces behind me and keep your visual focus at my heels. I know this is completely against your beliefs, but it will be best if we can avoid an all-out siege until we reach the walls of Opele Va' Esse'. With the episode at Evermeet, none of the other houses will rush to aid them, but if we start a battle outside, then they'll be farced to help. I still am what I was here in the eyes of most of the citizenry. If nothing else, stare at another part of me." With incredulous eyes, Anglar regains sight of his quarry. "How can they be within the city? Why aren't they dead? Why in the Nine Hells are they making way for him and that HARLOT?!?!?!" Seething in fury, Anglar lets the moment pass. "Let them come. Within these walls they shall find their deaths, and I shall enjoy it all the more."
Silmarien Aldalome 05-24-04, 09:59 PM	Frosty OoC: Frosty, roll a Spot Check - DC-withheld. Anglar is DM here - so if he wishes to take over at any point - please advise. ....A guard stops you, as you approach the outer buttresses of the city. He is a tall Drow, with long, white hair, and cruel eyes. His face is scarred, down throught he right cheek with a long white line. He studies you closely, and says "What business do you have here in the city, Orc?" Tenzhi OoC: that was :cool: Tenzhi!!! Anglar Originally posted by anglar "When we reach to city, stay three paces behind me and keep your visual focus at my heels." Sil studies Anglar with a slightly raised eyebrow, and with her jaw slightly lowered, and cheeks sucked into concave dents. "I know this is completely against your beliefs, but it will be best if we can avoid an all-out siege until we reach the walls of Opele Va' Esse'. With the episode at Evermeet, none of the other houses will rush to aid them, but if we start a battle outside, then they'll be farced to help. I still am what I was here in the eyes of most of the citizenry. If nothing else, stare at another part of me." She pauses as they walk - and fixes Anglar's gaze with a steady focussed stare. As he talks, she brushes the creases out of her robes. When he is done, she says "...This bargain I will keep. That - while no harm comes to you - I will bow my eyes as a servant - for no other reason do I have to conceal mine eyes. For they are green as emeralds, are they not beloved?" She takes his hand and adds But ward - should the need arise - I will declare mine Lore - and it will be a Rh'iel's Love that I radiate in this city. For, She says to me that Power is no device against the Drow, and that which is most threatening to the Dark Ones - is The Light of Life and Wyrding of Hallowed Verse. Therefore - I am prepared. In a Quickened Stilled flash - she Blocks Scrying with Prayer. Thence - incants again - forming Aranography with elegant, deft sleights of hand. She wears a peasants outfit, her hair is white, skin dark as pitch and her eyes are red. She chuckles and says to Anglar "Does this become you my Liege - your wish is my command - for I am but a lowly servant." she smiles "until I can bear it no longer!" she adds jestingly. With incredulous eyes, Anglar regains sight of his quarry. "How can they be within the city? Why aren't they dead? Why in the Nine Hells are they making way for him and that HARLOT?!?!?!" Seething in fury, Anglar lets the moment pass. "Let them come. Within these walls they shall find their deaths, and I shall enjoy it all the more." OoC: :rofl: - I've never been a Harlot before! *grabs Scarlet Letter* "It is not my shame it is theirs".
anglar 05-24-04, 10:42 PM	OOC - Shouldn't it be either a disguise or bluff check for Frosty? Other than that, I'm fine to allow things to continue as they are with the suggestion that Frosty is held in Opele Va' Esse', or is making his way by there when it hits the fan. It would be beneficial to us if we can all escape together when that time comes. Perhaps it is DESM who had Frosty captured, wanting to study the type of being that he is. Only suggestions, not mandates. Also, Sil, you will come to understand why Evil Anglar calls you a harlot by the end of this. IC- "Change of your garb wasn't necessary, merely that you appear to be in service of me, but hopefully we won't be here long enough for anyone to notice or care. Later you can put me to the leash." With steps more anxious than they appear, Anglar makes his way directly to Opele Va' Esse'. He knows they'll be waiting for them. It's only a matter of how they get inside that can change the "when" of when the battle starts.
Silmarien Aldalome 05-25-04, 12:14 AM	OOC - the "spot" is for something else I'm brewing. But - yes - Frosty - also roll a bluff and disguise check. Chuck in Diplomacy if you're trying hard. I'm fine to allow things to continue as they are with the suggestion that Frosty is held in Opele Va' Esse', or is making his way by there when it hits the fan. It would be beneficial to us if we can all escape together when that time comes. Perhaps it is DESM who had Frosty captured, wanting to study the type of being that he is. Only suggestions, not mandates. OoC: well-received. Also, Sil, you will come to understand why Evil Anglar calls you a harlot by the end of this. *chuckles* - I'm sure I'll have plenty of names for Evil Ang as well ;) ".....Later you can put me to the leash." .....a nice well-cooked meal will suffice beloved - and due attention to my sore feet with a mineral-salt foot-soak. The Underdark is merciless on the feet... "I shall enjoy my confrontation with Matron Mother Anglar Goldstems." She flicks her hair over her shoulder with that. Her stride is focussed "For, her abuse of all those about her has earned her my ire." The cruel spires of the city approach - bathed in the eeries purple light of Faerie Fire. The smell of the city carries an unpleasant aftertaste, and the shadows seem to reach out with long, cold fingers, to weight the spirit down ...come forth Elf is seems to say ..and find your way into the Drow Heart - for mercy knows no kindling in our halls. Carefully concealed in the robes - the Runestaff's touch conveys warmth - the reminder that Darkness was filled by the Stars' radiance.....
Frostbite_Ravenheart 05-25-04, 05:06 PM	ooc: For some reason I assumed this was a novic-non-dice thread :rolleyes: but its ok tell me what CR there is max and I will roll up a character. -Frosty
anglar 05-25-04, 09:16 PM	Frosty: You feel a hand grab you by the shoulder and turn you back towards the interior of the city. "There you are you stupid Orc Merchant," you hear the owner of the hand say. "Leave it to an Orc to get lost even after I give him perfectly simple directions of where to meet me. Damn! How am I supposed to get the things I need from the surface when the merchants are soooo incompetant?" No matter how you try to turn your head, the hand at your back keeps ou from seeing the face of the man behind you. OOC - Spot and Listen checks if you please. You CR limit for your character is 25. Only fair to keep you somewhere near what Ang is. BTW - What is your response?
Frostbite_Ravenheart 05-25-04, 10:09 PM	[30, 42 spot and listen] In harsh Orc "I beg forgivaness mastas forgivaness! Hurt Orkwurkt not hurt Orkwurkt Not! Ourkwurkt no take pains!" remebering that he had no goods on him or any merchant cloths he flashed the drow sign lang. quickly "Who are you? care to note where the dark elves eye were looking. [You asked for my poetic side Silm - you'll get it...but not when I am in the body of an orc ;) ] -Frosty
anglar 05-26-04, 01:15 AM	OOC - Not hard for you to recognize the voice behind you. *waves HI to frosty* or Sil's walk. IC - "Crack your knuckles another way Orc. Things like that will get you killed here. One might think you know how to sign the way we do. That wouldn't do at all, now would it?" Leans in close to your ear and whispers, "Just keep playing the part. We'll have need of your talents soon. We have to save Sil's cousin, and I can't really afford not to have you with us now that you are here." Anglar leads them past the main gates of Opele Va' Esse. Stopping at a place in the wall which appears no different than any other, "Here, put these on," he says as he pulls out two spider shaped masks. "They'll allow you to climb the walls freely. Once on the other side, you'll find a tunnel that leads to my private chambers. Don't enter the room until you've heard my signal, which will be the house general alarm. Remeber, other than Silimna, you'll find no friends in there, so don't hesitate to dispatch of obstacles as you see fit." Knowing that Silmarien will ask him just what he thinks he's going to do, Anglar's response is, "This is still my House, and be damned if I have to sneak in or even knock to gain entrance. Besides, something tells me we're expected and will find the main attractions in Matron Mother's Council Chamber." Waiting in the Council Chamber with Matron Mother, Dark Elven Shadow Master, the special assassin, and SIlimna, Anglar paces a trench in the floor. Matron Mother almost coos at his frustration, knowing that her original Anglar would never have slipped so. Thinking to himself, "They will be here soon enough, and I will have my revenge on her. She will die by his blade and I will have my REVENGE!"
Silmarien Aldalome 05-26-04, 02:13 AM	OoC: EXCELLENT! I get to play Matron Mother, and (the Drooling) Zirgal! Sil watches her husband's defiance of the Strictures placed upon him by his former Station. Anglar's body holds a great deal of tension, as his shoulders are bunched up, and both hands curled into fists. She can see from his jawline that he is clenching his teeth. Her brow reveals some worry - as she readies her dweomer for the pending confrontation. She turns to Frostbite by her side - and smiles "Orcdom becomes thee Frostbite Ravenheart. But - make sure those fangs of yours aren't let loose on the wrong folk! She rearranges her headress - and pauses to pray to Rh'iel momentarily - as her Vision stares into far away planes and dimensions. A slight aura of mauve surrounds her as she deftly incants and tunes into the Lore of the Runestaff. Make sure you have your memory of the trinkets clear. Remember - there are two of you in the one world. The Interstitial Lattices of Unspace are open - and this is creating Temporal Distortions in the Timestream. There is no certainty about this outcome Beloved. The Weave screams in Agony - do you not hear it - the sub-vocal shreak the Goddess of Magic.
Frostbite_Ravenheart 05-26-04, 04:14 PM	Looking at silm trying to grumble orc "Whos Anglar cousin? What happend to her? I have a feeling she is going to be some sort of demi-god or high priest of lolth right? Things like this always seem to happen to people like me. Anyways help me think of a new look, if I take drow fourm I could possibly have to deal with things like noble houses and clerics ordering me around. Pluse my sign and word is'nt that great either. Mind Flayer prehaps? How common are those around these spots? -Frosty
anglar 05-26-04, 06:45 PM	Anglar steps to the closed gates of Opele Va'Esse'. Four guards stand at the ready before the gates. A wind from nowhere rustles the cloak at his calves as he glares in the eyes of the guards. The foremost guard steps foward and says, "Weapons Master, we cannot let you pass throught these gates. We have our orders from Matron Mother." "And may Lloth take pity on your souls when I send you before her. At least you will fall in service of her, fore you know that you can't stop me from entering." (For effect, play "Hell's Bells" by AC/DC as background music) Anglar reaches into the inside pocket of his vest. The guards half unsheath thier weapons in response. Anglar removes a slim silver case and opens it, removing a small paper cylinder. He places the end of it in his mouth and replaces the silver case in his vest. With a simple cantrip he lights the end of the cigarette and takes a long drag. Slowly the smoke escapes his lips. Knwoing their moves before they make them, Anglar suddenly bursts into movement. His sword out faster than the blink of an eye, in quick and deliberate motions the four guards are dead before they can even realize what exactly has happened. Using their own thrusts to parry another's, Anglar leaves them piled together and pushes the gate open. The general alarm sounds and the sound of ruching footsteps fills the house. Tiny bolts from hand crossbows fly at him but bounce harlessly from the protective field created by his belt. The doors swing open and a trio of swordsmen exit and encircle Anglar. Anglar flicks the cigarette away and begins a symphonic dance of blades with them. Using his cloak to parry and distract, his sword quickly finds the holes in their defenses. Deep stabs into their sword arms leave the down, but not dead. As he continues past, one reaches out and grabs Anglar by the shoulder. A rapid spin on his heel, and Anglar strikes him in the head with an elbow, dislodging his hold and his consciousness.
Silmarien Aldalome 05-26-04, 07:08 PM	Originally posted by Frostbite_Ravenheart Looking at silm trying to grumble orc "Whos Anglar cousin? What happend to her? I have a feeling she is going to be some sort of demi-god or high priest of lolth right? Things like this always seem to happen to people like me. Anyways help me think of a new look, if I take drow fourm I could possibly have to deal with things like noble houses and clerics ordering me around. Pluse my sign and word is'nt that great either. Mind Flayer prehaps? How common are those around these spots? -Frosty Sil chuckles when she hears Frostbite's Orcish - she says "Nay - 'tis not Anglar's cousin - 'tis mine. Silimna and I share Elven heritage. My grandmother and her's were sisters. My great Aunt met some Drow fellow who she betrothed. I don't know much about the family history, except to say that the Union was one based on love, and managed to survive, despite terrible pressures from both sides. Naturally, both were exiled. However, Silimna, my second cousin and I have been in contact for some time now. She learned of my existence and traced me with her magics. ...She was part of a secret Enclave in the Underdark, and I daren't speak of it, lest Matron Mother spy us. We might endanger them. But - they are Clerics of Ellistrae, and faithful to the Light. Truly a rare thing in these times. They cast from Mystra's Weave Frostibe_Ravenheart. "It seems that there's a strain in our family to marry outside of Elvendom, for my mother chose a human for a husband." ------------------ When Anglar lights the cigar - and despatches the Guards in a flurry of activity - Sil smiles. She says "Don't get cocky beloved - we are about to enter into the Maws of Hell." She checks the pulse of the fallen soldiers - and sighs "Such a waste of life. If but I could have altered their Fates. I wonder if they had family? She studies the entrance hall the Palace. It is a disgusting corruption of beauty - with gruesome features adorning the way forwards. The large black gates apex into a point, and are headed by evil looking gargoyles. The place is a dedication to cruelty and the merciless edges of well-crafted, but ugly artwork stare out at you. There are statues set into evil stares, whose eyes stare at you in accusation. Faerie fire lifts the featurs of tapestries, that show the battlescenes from antiquity - when Aryvandaar was still at its prime and before the Expulsion. This was the Time of The Great Elf Wars....
Tenzhi 06-09-04, 10:51 PM	Ahssra was halfway over the pit when a movement caught his eye - a sliding, writhing movement contrasted with the explosive bubbling of the lava pool. Ahssra paused and eyed the pool cautiously for a full five minutes, unsure whether it was just an illusion of the heat waves. Satisfied, Ahssra reaches a hand out to and uses his supernatural strength to press his climbing claws into the smooth rock face. Suddenly, in a burst of molten rock a great serpentine form strikes out from the lava and disappears back into the pool. Where once there was a kobold on the rock wall there is now naught but a great gouge in the rock face. The lava pool continues to bubble in its violently non-chalant fashion.
Inkee 07-11-04, 01:34 PM	Inkee, Blinkee, and Slinkee - - - We are requesting memebership in the drow foundation. Triplets of a dark elf father and a human slave mother. Taken from her at a young age, we were trained in our respective arts: Inkee - Underdark ranger with the two handed fighting style and a wicked hand crossbow shot; Blinkee - A necromancer wizard with an affinity for the dead and a great sense of timing; Slinkee - By the time you see him, it will be as the poison affects your breathing and the knife goes into your back.... Although we are 1/2 breeds, we come from a Merchant house (Den'Nah-Fholk Welth) in Menzoberranzan and have proven our mettle along the trade routes of the underdark as caravan guards. Inkee - Underdark Ranger 9 Blinkee - Wizard 7 / Palemaster 3 Slinkee - Assasin 8 Let us know our number(s) The Wonder Triplets Merchant House - D.N.F.W.
turalisj 08-04-04, 03:17 AM	*flys in, grabs a few drow, and flys out*
Ssin'urn Streea Ssinjin 08-21-04, 03:36 AM	Originally posted by turalisj *flys in, grabs a few drow, and flys out* She tosses her shoulder length white hair revealing her pale lilac eyes shimmering with red sparks and laughs at the inferior surface dweller at his less than professional attempt to snag a drow then hunts him down like the mongrel he is. ;) :schemes:
Ssin'urn Streea Ssinjin 08-21-04, 03:37 AM	Requests Permission To Join Drow Foundation (provided that it is not headed by any male drow, anything less is not the drow way.)
Marcivo Mikdeswer 01-01-05, 06:46 AM	(Well, seeing as to how I finally found my way back here....) I'm requesting membership to the Drow Foundation. (You can pretty much find all you need on Marcivo in my sig.)
turalisj 01-01-05, 04:11 PM	hey there mm! *picks his teeth on one of the bones* this place is deserted because of my eating all the members. the only one i wont touch is anglar. :cool:
Ssin'urn Streea Ssinjin 01-12-05, 08:59 AM	hey there mm! *picks his teeth on one of the bones* this place is deserted because of my eating all the members. the only one i wont touch is anglar. :cool: *sneaks up behind him* Gotcha... :evillaugh