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altpersona
02-04-08, 12:04 AM I read a post on the CO board that got me thinking about speed stuff again..

I then went and found Chuck, who i think holds the record at about 109 miles per speed increment.

so, it occurs to me, that maybe this is not the speed record, and maybe it was beaten and we didnt see it..

the born of three thunders/locate city trick. locate city being 10 miles per lvl... and abusibly more i presume...

if the the trick is done by the HIVE, and the hive is flying/levitating, so they can go up or otherwise out of harms way or just save for no damage...

The H.I.V.E.M.I.N.D. Hyper Intelligent Vermin Enclave, More Intelligent Now! Damnit!

Do you remember the H.I.V.E. (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=386506)? Well, I love Sigma Jargon for this work, and I do another time my compliments. The H.I.V.E. is lovely. But I think that using another trick it could be done better. Not so much better, but a little, if the trick works, yes.

You've to be, another time, a Magic-Blooded Human,
Human Paragon 1 / Marshal 1 / Cleric 1 / Human Paragon 2 / Cleric 4 / Vermin Lord 10 / Fang of Lolth 1

So, your UMD check will be:
23 base
+ 15 cha
+ 15 inspire cha
+ 30 skill item (competence)
+ 23 item familiar
+ 2 Magical Aptitude
+ 3 Skill Focus
+ 4 Fang of Lolth
---------------
+115

Grab yourself a Staff of Gate. No, well, grab 2 Staffs. Use UMD to emulate spellcasting as if you were a (check-20) level cleric, and then summon as many Spider Swarms (MM, 2HD, 9pf) as possible.

Cast Consumtive Field (maybe permanent if you can take divine metamagic)

The minimum result on the UMD check is 115 + 1 – 20 = emulated caster level 96, or enough spellcasting power to summon 48 Spider Swarms, isn't it? Now, all them die in your Consumtive Field providing...

Here comes the problem. Creatures are 72000, this means that your CL goes to 72000???? Well, I hope yes. Take the other Staff of Gate and Summon 18000 Wasp Swarms: 180000000 creatures... And you can repeat for all time you want to. With three staffs of gate you can summon 360000000 creatures and so on. Just this provides you:
7200005 INT
7200002 CHA
Cast Spells as a 7199984 Level Sorcerer

hOPing this is right,
AD

If your CL doesn't come to 72000 but only to 48, follow me:
Take 3 staffs of gate in front of one.
Summon 96 1-HD creatures and let them die.
Repeat.
Now your CL is, without doubt 192 and you can summon 48 Wasp Swarms (480 000 creature) etc. etc. It's still an improvement.

resulting in something like 70 million miles in 6 seconds.

or use the rapid spell feat to +1 spell level it, and cast it twice in a round, moving 140 million miles in a round (unless you stop moving after the first one , i doubt you get any effect from the second casting)

of course, this all might have been noted in the born of three thunders trick thread, i might have just overlooked it..

and this is not using feet to move, so that record stands..

and for reference , the closest that mars gets to earth is about 48 million miles...

with a good aim and a lot of fort saves, you could get to pluto in about 4 minutes @70million miles round or 42 000 000 000 mph

if you went the faster, cast it twice in a round route, which i think requires save for no damage so that you stay on the ground... you will travel 5600 times the circumference of the earth.. you might need an infinite save loop.

and all numbers have been rounded for my benefit.
altpersona
02-05-08, 07:09 AM did i screw it up so bad to not even warrant criticism and ridicule?
Fwib
02-05-08, 10:59 AM The Locate City Bomb trick does not work.

Either because a) You can't apply explosive spell to it (not a cone, cylinder, line or burst), or..
b) Since the spell lacks the 'Target:' line, it has no targets, and so the damage applies to nothing, so nothing has to make the saves, so nothing can fail the saves and nothing can be ejected.

Flash Frost Spell says: "<deals>...damage to all targets in the area..."
Locate City has no targets, so nothing takes the damage.
Born of the Three Thunders only applies the saves to "...creatures that take damage from the spell..." so no saves.
Explosive spell only ejects creatures that fail their reflex save.
No targets -> no damage -> no saves -> no ejection.

Even if you want to say that Locate City implicitly has targets, the only possible ones are cities. Cities are not creatures, so no damage, etc etc.However, you could use Apocalypse From the Sky, at a considerably higher level.
altpersona
02-05-08, 01:42 PM use arc of lightning then.

line = 25+ 5/2

7000000 / 2 * 5 =17.5 million feet (3300 miles (1.98million mph))in a single action (arc of lightning w/ meta explosive from a non infinite HIVE).

chuck has about 90 actions in a round, he wins in total round movement.

but for single action this one is higher.

of course HIVE is much more abusable than this..
altpersona
02-05-08, 01:48 PM using apocalypse from the sky would be a winner, but its 9th level already and needs meta'd ... pre epic idk how to work that... would need a reflex save added to it also... to qual for explosive...
BetaSquirrell
02-09-08, 11:05 AM Actually, a high damage (currently 100 septillion) build I'm working on involves using mega-speed of a cohort-ish. What I got was this. Take the penny-in-a-box trick* and replace the box with a forcecage. Replace the penny with an undead rat. Place the whole apparatus just outside the photon sphere of a black hole. After one year of sitting there and assuming 100 billion g as gravity (I have a source for this), the rat is actually moving at (if I've done my math right) 185,558,688,000,000,000,000 meters per round, well over light speed. Of course, the rat isn't really in control of it's speed. *Shrug*

Assuming a kilometer is .621 miles, I get 298,806,260,869,565,217 miles/round.

I'm currently looking as to how I can calculate the new mass of the rat, though I think I'm going to get something like ∞^2.

*It involves a permanent teleportation circle that exits right above it's entrance point. Whenever the penny/rat falls down, it is teleported up and allowed to fall again. It is mainly used for getting large speeds.
Tshern
02-09-08, 12:48 PM We actually used that penny in a box trick ones. Well, it was modified but still.

First we cast those circles, in space of course, put a really, really big stone in there and started the loop. Then we dismissed the circles and the stone hit a planet. BUUM!
NiteCyper
02-09-08, 08:30 PM lol, hit a planet... I thought when something reached the speed of light, it sort of simply went through stuff?

Also, I thought H.I.V.E. could have an unlimited amount of swarms in its Hivemind anyways? Therefore NI and not eligible. Why would you not use a non-infinite Hive?
Tshern
02-09-08, 08:42 PM Well, achieving speed of light and what happens that is theoretical. No-one actually knows for sure.
FriendlyFrog
02-10-08, 02:24 AM There's a huge problem with that penny-in-a-box trick. I'm no physicist, but I do know how terminal velocity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_velocity) works. No matter how far and how long an object falls, the drag force will ensure that it wont accelerate past a certain speed.
BetaSquirrell
02-10-08, 08:15 PM terminal velocity is the velocity at which the fluid resistance force (drag force) of a falling object equals the weight of the object minus the acting force due to fluid, which halts acceleration and causes speed to remain constant.

Yes. You would be correct. In a fluid, a falling penny would never go past a certain speed. But the key is, this is in a vacuum. The quote above says "due to fluid" but there is no fluid. Air is completely absent from the box. Because of this, speed is unchecked and can increase without bound (except the speed of light, which as pointed out above is highly theoretical).

As to usage, I don't think you even had to dismiss the circles. You just dropped the box. Either 1) the path of the penny hit solid substance or 2) it connected with air once the glass box broke. In either case it would produce enough energy to rip local area apart. I'm not sure if we ever calculated the radius in light-years of 'local.'
NiteCyper
02-10-08, 08:39 PM For the sake of science, what kind of effects would such a penny at such speed have on the immediate vicinity? Are we talking black holes? Or simply sonic booms, Gale force 5 hurricanes, Earth falling out of orbit, the o-zone layer being shattered and being roasted alive due to emanating heat?
BetaSquirrell
02-10-08, 08:57 PM Well, according to the theory of relativity we have at least near-infinite mass. So when this thing hits it has mass and energy to disrupt at least a planet. I think last time it was checked it could literally destroy a plane, but I think that might be exaggeration.

As I read the theory of relativity (not well, of course, otherwise I'd be a professor somewhere) mass increases as speed s approaches c. Since, according to crude and therefore incorrect measures we have surpassed c, this means that we have at least infinite mass or no mass, which will return at infinite quantity once we slow down a bit. Or you could just make a rule that you can't exceed the speed of light, in which case we have an undead rat traveling at the speed of light. In that case (barring teleportation) we have a limit, and this limit has been reached.

Of course, I like better the idea of an undead hampster tachyon. I'm not sure what you would do with it, though.

(Well, besides using Channel the Storm to get bonus damage on the hampster for every time it iterates through the teleportation circle loop, then routing it to yourself and affinity-field-nova'ing it to everything.)
The_Mad_Linguist
02-11-08, 12:03 AM Well, according to the theory of relativity we have at least near-infinite mass. So when this thing hits it has mass and energy to disrupt at least a planet. I think last time it was checked it could literally destroy a plane, but I think that might be exaggeration.

Relativistic mass is more of a kludge for calculations than a meaningful number.
BetaSquirrell
02-11-08, 08:25 PM That sounds better. Do you have any specs on the momentum on this? (Just asking because you seem to know lots more about it than I ever could.)
The_Mad_Linguist
02-11-08, 11:44 PM That sounds better. Do you have any specs on the momentum on this? (Just asking because you seem to know lots more about it than I ever could.)

Momentum is equal to mass times velocity times the lorentz factor, 1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
altpersona
02-12-08, 03:52 PM ok, baring the hive.

does the real record belong to something/someone being thrown by chuck?

2.2 Million mph : 3680 miles in one round.

or did an archer build pass that?
BetaSquirrell
02-15-08, 08:38 AM Momentum is equal to mass times velocity times the lorentz factor, 1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)

Oh. Yeah. Lorentz factor. Of course. I knew that. [thinks for a moment] But since v>c, doesn't that mean that (v^2/c^2)>1, the value inside the root sign will be negative, therefore we have 1/ki for some number k? Or does v not stand for velocity?
Bauglir
02-17-08, 02:22 PM I think that's part of why faster than light travel is impossible. So... yes. You will have an object with imaginary momentum.
The_Mad_Linguist
02-17-08, 02:26 PM Oh. Yeah. Lorentz factor. Of course. I knew that. [thinks for a moment] But since v>c, doesn't that mean that (v^2/c^2)>1, the value inside the root sign will be negative, therefore we have 1/ki for some number k? Or does v not stand for velocity?

Yeah, that is the case. Fortunately, to accelerate something up to C requires infinite energy, so there isn't a problem there.

Anyway, applications of relativity are a house rule. RAW, someone with a really good spot check can see arbitrarily far away. Thus, light travels instantaneously, and as such Newtonian physics are identical to relativity.
skydragonknight
02-17-08, 10:15 PM The Hive would win, but it would not count as a World Record since there is nothing preventing the Hive from being infinite(that is, as arbitrarily humungous as you want).
It wins in the same way Pun Pun wins; infinite loops win by default, so they are not counted as "records" since for any number you pick, you can always pick a higher one.
altpersona
02-17-08, 10:27 PM ya ya, thats been established..

now im going with a halfling hurled by chuck...
Heliomance
02-18-08, 02:44 PM The speed record can't be any higher than c, certainly not just by using a teleportation circle to drop something infinitely far. Magic might be able to do it directly, but a simple gravity-feed portal will ever reach c.
Fwib
02-18-08, 02:53 PM The speed record can't be any higher than c, certainly not just by using a teleportation circle to drop something infinitely far. Magic might be able to do it directly, but a simple gravity-feed portal will ever reach c.Similarly, magic doesn't work either, because of physics, uh-huh.:rolleyes:
Heliomance
02-18-08, 08:02 PM Now, if you'll excuse me, I am busy telling the laws of physics to shut up and sit down.
Magic>physics.
skydragonknight
02-19-08, 06:42 AM The speed record can't be any higher than c, certainly not just by using a teleportation circle to drop something infinitely far. Magic might be able to do it directly, but a simple gravity-feed portal will ever reach c.

Haha haha haha haha. *insert irony here*
Later today or tomorrow I'll have a new thread up. :)
BetaSquirrell
02-22-08, 02:52 PM The speed record can't be any higher than c, certainly not just by using a teleportation circle to drop something infinitely far. Magic might be able to do it directly, but a simple gravity-feed portal will [n]ever reach c.

I dissagree. Instead of increasing mass, what about time - what if we involve the Far Realms? Infinite time, therefore we only need a finite supply of energy. I'm not sure how Planar Shepard works (or even if it does work like that), but I think there's a way to get gravity in the Far Realms.
The_Mad_Linguist
02-22-08, 04:04 PM Again, by RAW C is equal to infinity. This means there are no speed limits set by the universe or time dilation.
CrimsonDeath
02-22-08, 07:14 PM I think that's part of why faster than light travel is impossible. So... yes. You will have an object with imaginary momentum.

Well, in D&D, all the creatures and objects are imaginary anyway, so it makes sense that their momentum would be too.
Bauglir
02-22-08, 09:16 PM Excellent point. Now if only I could think of a way to make a poster out of that quote, because it is quite awesome.
Sinfire Titan
02-27-08, 07:25 PM Magic>physics.

http://a.deviantart.com/avatars/b/l/blanksexplz.gif

One of those is Science. Take a guess which one.
archerpwr
02-27-08, 10:40 PM http://a.deviantart.com/avatars/b/l/blanksexplz.gif

One of those is Science. Take a guess which one.

...Wow...
BTW, Congrats again.
Sinfire Titan
02-28-08, 12:48 AM ...Wow...
BTW, Congrats again.

I have been sigged three times in one month. A new personal best.

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altpersona 02-04-08, 12:04 AM	I read a post on the CO board that got me thinking about speed stuff again.. I then went and found Chuck, who i think holds the record at about 109 miles per speed increment. so, it occurs to me, that maybe this is not the speed record, and maybe it was beaten and we didnt see it.. the born of three thunders/locate city trick. locate city being 10 miles per lvl... and abusibly more i presume... if the the trick is done by the HIVE, and the hive is flying/levitating, so they can go up or otherwise out of harms way or just save for no damage... The H.I.V.E.M.I.N.D. Hyper Intelligent Vermin Enclave, More Intelligent Now! Damnit! Do you remember the H.I.V.E. (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=386506)? Well, I love Sigma Jargon for this work, and I do another time my compliments. The H.I.V.E. is lovely. But I think that using another trick it could be done better. Not so much better, but a little, if the trick works, yes. You've to be, another time, a Magic-Blooded Human, Human Paragon 1 / Marshal 1 / Cleric 1 / Human Paragon 2 / Cleric 4 / Vermin Lord 10 / Fang of Lolth 1 So, your UMD check will be: 23 base + 15 cha + 15 inspire cha + 30 skill item (competence) + 23 item familiar + 2 Magical Aptitude + 3 Skill Focus + 4 Fang of Lolth --------------- +115 Grab yourself a Staff of Gate. No, well, grab 2 Staffs. Use UMD to emulate spellcasting as if you were a (check-20) level cleric, and then summon as many Spider Swarms (MM, 2HD, 9pf) as possible. Cast Consumtive Field (maybe permanent if you can take divine metamagic) The minimum result on the UMD check is 115 + 1 – 20 = emulated caster level 96, or enough spellcasting power to summon 48 Spider Swarms, isn't it? Now, all them die in your Consumtive Field providing... Here comes the problem. Creatures are 72000, this means that your CL goes to 72000???? Well, I hope yes. Take the other Staff of Gate and Summon 18000 Wasp Swarms: 180000000 creatures... And you can repeat for all time you want to. With three staffs of gate you can summon 360000000 creatures and so on. Just this provides you: 7200005 INT 7200002 CHA Cast Spells as a 7199984 Level Sorcerer hOPing this is right, AD If your CL doesn't come to 72000 but only to 48, follow me: Take 3 staffs of gate in front of one. Summon 96 1-HD creatures and let them die. Repeat. Now your CL is, without doubt 192 and you can summon 48 Wasp Swarms (480 000 creature) etc. etc. It's still an improvement. resulting in something like 70 million miles in 6 seconds. or use the rapid spell feat to +1 spell level it, and cast it twice in a round, moving 140 million miles in a round (unless you stop moving after the first one , i doubt you get any effect from the second casting) of course, this all might have been noted in the born of three thunders trick thread, i might have just overlooked it.. and this is not using feet to move, so that record stands.. and for reference , the closest that mars gets to earth is about 48 million miles... with a good aim and a lot of fort saves, you could get to pluto in about 4 minutes @70million miles round or 42 000 000 000 mph if you went the faster, cast it twice in a round route, which i think requires save for no damage so that you stay on the ground... you will travel 5600 times the circumference of the earth.. you might need an infinite save loop. and all numbers have been rounded for my benefit.
altpersona 02-05-08, 07:09 AM	did i screw it up so bad to not even warrant criticism and ridicule?
Fwib 02-05-08, 10:59 AM	The Locate City Bomb trick does not work. Either because a) You can't apply explosive spell to it (not a cone, cylinder, line or burst), or.. b) Since the spell lacks the 'Target:' line, it has no targets, and so the damage applies to nothing, so nothing has to make the saves, so nothing can fail the saves and nothing can be ejected. Flash Frost Spell says: "<deals>...damage to all targets in the area..." Locate City has no targets, so nothing takes the damage. Born of the Three Thunders only applies the saves to "...creatures that take damage from the spell..." so no saves. Explosive spell only ejects creatures that fail their reflex save. No targets -> no damage -> no saves -> no ejection. Even if you want to say that Locate City implicitly has targets, the only possible ones are cities. Cities are not creatures, so no damage, etc etc.However, you could use Apocalypse From the Sky, at a considerably higher level.
altpersona 02-05-08, 01:42 PM	use arc of lightning then. line = 25+ 5/2 7000000 / 2 * 5 =17.5 million feet (3300 miles (1.98million mph))in a single action (arc of lightning w/ meta explosive from a non infinite HIVE). chuck has about 90 actions in a round, he wins in total round movement. but for single action this one is higher. of course HIVE is much more abusable than this..
altpersona 02-05-08, 01:48 PM	using apocalypse from the sky would be a winner, but its 9th level already and needs meta'd ... pre epic idk how to work that... would need a reflex save added to it also... to qual for explosive...
BetaSquirrell 02-09-08, 11:05 AM	Actually, a high damage (currently 100 septillion) build I'm working on involves using mega-speed of a cohort-ish. What I got was this. Take the penny-in-a-box trick* and replace the box with a forcecage. Replace the penny with an undead rat. Place the whole apparatus just outside the photon sphere of a black hole. After one year of sitting there and assuming 100 billion g as gravity (I have a source for this), the rat is actually moving at (if I've done my math right) 185,558,688,000,000,000,000 meters per round, well over light speed. Of course, the rat isn't really in control of it's speed. Shrug Assuming a kilometer is .621 miles, I get 298,806,260,869,565,217 miles/round. I'm currently looking as to how I can calculate the new mass of the rat, though I think I'm going to get something like ∞^2. *It involves a permanent teleportation circle that exits right above it's entrance point. Whenever the penny/rat falls down, it is teleported up and allowed to fall again. It is mainly used for getting large speeds.
Tshern 02-09-08, 12:48 PM	We actually used that penny in a box trick ones. Well, it was modified but still. First we cast those circles, in space of course, put a really, really big stone in there and started the loop. Then we dismissed the circles and the stone hit a planet. BUUM!
NiteCyper 02-09-08, 08:30 PM	lol, hit a planet... I thought when something reached the speed of light, it sort of simply went through stuff? Also, I thought H.I.V.E. could have an unlimited amount of swarms in its Hivemind anyways? Therefore NI and not eligible. Why would you not use a non-infinite Hive?
Tshern 02-09-08, 08:42 PM	Well, achieving speed of light and what happens that is theoretical. No-one actually knows for sure.
FriendlyFrog 02-10-08, 02:24 AM	There's a huge problem with that penny-in-a-box trick. I'm no physicist, but I do know how terminal velocity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_velocity) works. No matter how far and how long an object falls, the drag force will ensure that it wont accelerate past a certain speed.
BetaSquirrell 02-10-08, 08:15 PM	terminal velocity is the velocity at which the fluid resistance force (drag force) of a falling object equals the weight of the object minus the acting force due to fluid, which halts acceleration and causes speed to remain constant. Yes. You would be correct. In a fluid, a falling penny would never go past a certain speed. But the key is, this is in a vacuum. The quote above says "due to fluid" but there is no fluid. Air is completely absent from the box. Because of this, speed is unchecked and can increase without bound (except the speed of light, which as pointed out above is highly theoretical). As to usage, I don't think you even had to dismiss the circles. You just dropped the box. Either 1) the path of the penny hit solid substance or 2) it connected with air once the glass box broke. In either case it would produce enough energy to rip local area apart. I'm not sure if we ever calculated the radius in light-years of 'local.'
NiteCyper 02-10-08, 08:39 PM	For the sake of science, what kind of effects would such a penny at such speed have on the immediate vicinity? Are we talking black holes? Or simply sonic booms, Gale force 5 hurricanes, Earth falling out of orbit, the o-zone layer being shattered and being roasted alive due to emanating heat?
BetaSquirrell 02-10-08, 08:57 PM	Well, according to the theory of relativity we have at least near-infinite mass. So when this thing hits it has mass and energy to disrupt at least a planet. I think last time it was checked it could literally destroy a plane, but I think that might be exaggeration. As I read the theory of relativity (not well, of course, otherwise I'd be a professor somewhere) mass increases as speed s approaches c. Since, according to crude and therefore incorrect measures we have surpassed c, this means that we have at least infinite mass or no mass, which will return at infinite quantity once we slow down a bit. Or you could just make a rule that you can't exceed the speed of light, in which case we have an undead rat traveling at the speed of light. In that case (barring teleportation) we have a limit, and this limit has been reached. Of course, I like better the idea of an undead hampster tachyon. I'm not sure what you would do with it, though. (Well, besides using Channel the Storm to get bonus damage on the hampster for every time it iterates through the teleportation circle loop, then routing it to yourself and affinity-field-nova'ing it to everything.)
The_Mad_Linguist 02-11-08, 12:03 AM	Well, according to the theory of relativity we have at least near-infinite mass. So when this thing hits it has mass and energy to disrupt at least a planet. I think last time it was checked it could literally destroy a plane, but I think that might be exaggeration. Relativistic mass is more of a kludge for calculations than a meaningful number.
BetaSquirrell 02-11-08, 08:25 PM	That sounds better. Do you have any specs on the momentum on this? (Just asking because you seem to know lots more about it than I ever could.)
The_Mad_Linguist 02-11-08, 11:44 PM	That sounds better. Do you have any specs on the momentum on this? (Just asking because you seem to know lots more about it than I ever could.) Momentum is equal to mass times velocity times the lorentz factor, 1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
altpersona 02-12-08, 03:52 PM	ok, baring the hive. does the real record belong to something/someone being thrown by chuck? 2.2 Million mph : 3680 miles in one round. or did an archer build pass that?
BetaSquirrell 02-15-08, 08:38 AM	Momentum is equal to mass times velocity times the lorentz factor, 1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) Oh. Yeah. Lorentz factor. Of course. I knew that. [thinks for a moment] But since v>c, doesn't that mean that (v^2/c^2)>1, the value inside the root sign will be negative, therefore we have 1/ki for some number k? Or does v not stand for velocity?
Bauglir 02-17-08, 02:22 PM	I think that's part of why faster than light travel is impossible. So... yes. You will have an object with imaginary momentum.
The_Mad_Linguist 02-17-08, 02:26 PM	Oh. Yeah. Lorentz factor. Of course. I knew that. [thinks for a moment] But since v>c, doesn't that mean that (v^2/c^2)>1, the value inside the root sign will be negative, therefore we have 1/ki for some number k? Or does v not stand for velocity? Yeah, that is the case. Fortunately, to accelerate something up to C requires infinite energy, so there isn't a problem there. Anyway, applications of relativity are a house rule. RAW, someone with a really good spot check can see arbitrarily far away. Thus, light travels instantaneously, and as such Newtonian physics are identical to relativity.
skydragonknight 02-17-08, 10:15 PM	The Hive would win, but it would not count as a World Record since there is nothing preventing the Hive from being infinite(that is, as arbitrarily humungous as you want). It wins in the same way Pun Pun wins; infinite loops win by default, so they are not counted as "records" since for any number you pick, you can always pick a higher one.
altpersona 02-17-08, 10:27 PM	ya ya, thats been established.. now im going with a halfling hurled by chuck...
Heliomance 02-18-08, 02:44 PM	The speed record can't be any higher than c, certainly not just by using a teleportation circle to drop something infinitely far. Magic might be able to do it directly, but a simple gravity-feed portal will ever reach c.
Fwib 02-18-08, 02:53 PM	The speed record can't be any higher than c, certainly not just by using a teleportation circle to drop something infinitely far. Magic might be able to do it directly, but a simple gravity-feed portal will ever reach c.Similarly, magic doesn't work either, because of physics, uh-huh.:rolleyes:
Heliomance 02-18-08, 08:02 PM	Now, if you'll excuse me, I am busy telling the laws of physics to shut up and sit down. Magic>physics.
skydragonknight 02-19-08, 06:42 AM	The speed record can't be any higher than c, certainly not just by using a teleportation circle to drop something infinitely far. Magic might be able to do it directly, but a simple gravity-feed portal will ever reach c. Haha haha haha haha. insert irony here Later today or tomorrow I'll have a new thread up. :)
BetaSquirrell 02-22-08, 02:52 PM	The speed record can't be any higher than c, certainly not just by using a teleportation circle to drop something infinitely far. Magic might be able to do it directly, but a simple gravity-feed portal will [n]ever reach c. I dissagree. Instead of increasing mass, what about time - what if we involve the Far Realms? Infinite time, therefore we only need a finite supply of energy. I'm not sure how Planar Shepard works (or even if it does work like that), but I think there's a way to get gravity in the Far Realms.
The_Mad_Linguist 02-22-08, 04:04 PM	Again, by RAW C is equal to infinity. This means there are no speed limits set by the universe or time dilation.
CrimsonDeath 02-22-08, 07:14 PM	I think that's part of why faster than light travel is impossible. So... yes. You will have an object with imaginary momentum. Well, in D&D, all the creatures and objects are imaginary anyway, so it makes sense that their momentum would be too.
Bauglir 02-22-08, 09:16 PM	Excellent point. Now if only I could think of a way to make a poster out of that quote, because it is quite awesome.
Sinfire Titan 02-27-08, 07:25 PM	Magic>physics. http://a.deviantart.com/avatars/b/l/blanksexplz.gif One of those is Science. Take a guess which one.
archerpwr 02-27-08, 10:40 PM	http://a.deviantart.com/avatars/b/l/blanksexplz.gif One of those is Science. Take a guess which one. ...Wow... BTW, Congrats again.
Sinfire Titan 02-28-08, 12:48 AM	...Wow... BTW, Congrats again. I have been sigged three times in one month. A new personal best.