Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Master_Vega 12-19-07, 01:49 PM	On one of the many funny gaming story threads, someone posted about their friend playing a rather unusual wizard, one specializing in self-buffing and melee trouncing (kinda like a wannabe warrior cleric). Has anyone here tried to make a build like this? Not your standard "I hit you and you explode" gish build, but a self-buffing Wizard who can beat a fighter at being a fighter (yes, I know beating a fighter isn't hard)? It seems like a fun concept, one that I might play if it doesn't end up absurdly broken. :P Links, stories, builds and advice would be appreciated. Thanks!
archerpwr 12-20-07, 07:15 PM	Spellsword 5 or ordained champion 3
WombleHunter 12-23-07, 04:52 PM	The wizard who did that in a high-level game that I played in was a Wizard/Soulcaster. He used the Soulcaster free metamagic to power his Persistent Polymorph (and later, Draconic Polymorph and then Shapechange).
archerpwr 12-23-07, 08:11 PM	The wizard who did that in a high-level game that I played in was a Wizard/Soulcaster. He used the Soulcaster free metamagic to power his Persistent Polymorph (and later, Draconic Polymorph and then Shapechange). Snap. Forgot about midnight metamagic. That's a good combo. 11 base essentia plus 7 from feats (doable) would net 3 free persists a day at the cap of soulcaster with an incarnate base.
epifreak 12-29-07, 02:07 PM	I imagine you want to avoid shapechange use, focusing on "punching someone out" in a wizard's frail body as opposed to a balor's?
Master_Vega 01-03-08, 06:56 PM	I imagine you want to avoid shapechange use, focusing on "punching someone out" in a wizard's frail body as opposed to a balor's? You are correct, good sir.
Impeesa 01-04-08, 07:10 AM	Old-school Incantatrix abuse. The errata about not being able to metamagic a spell beyond a level you can cast doesn't apply to their 'metamagic effect' ability, so you can use it to apply Persistent Spell to your buffs after you cast them. Wraithstrike is a prime candidate, as are Bite of the Were-whatever, Righteous Might, and Divine Power (take Arcane Disciple [Competition] for the last two). Make or acquire an item with substantial spellcraft bonuses, though, or you'll have a hard time getting your buffs to stick every morning. :)
epifreak 01-04-08, 02:25 PM	In that case, any of your standard gish builds should work well. This is how I tend to run gishes anyway (at least until I get my hands on shapechange ;) )
NiteCyper 01-27-08, 01:39 AM	Fighter 20. Find some way to spellcast and go Precocious Apprentice, Arcane Disciple, Earth Sense, Earth Spell, Heighten Spell, Sanctum Spell? (might've been in there) then Extra Slot x NI.
BetaSquirrell 01-28-08, 07:40 PM	Double Post. I'm so ashamed.
BetaSquirrell 01-28-08, 07:41 PM	Warblade 20, as the trick he's talking about can be done with any class. But that's not really a wizard, it's a spellcasting meleer. (There's a thread about it on TO front page.) On topic, how about using something like Shivering Touch to make your opponents drop faster? Ability damage/drain is nasty.
Angel Black 01-28-08, 09:28 PM	On one of the many funny gaming story threads, someone posted about their friend playing a rather unusual wizard, one specializing in self-buffing and melee trouncing (kinda like a wannabe warrior cleric). Has anyone here tried to make a build like this? Not your standard "I hit you and you explode" gish build, but a self-buffing Wizard who can beat a fighter at being a fighter (yes, I know beating a fighter isn't hard)? It seems like a fun concept, one that I might play if it doesn't end up absurdly broken. :P Links, stories, builds and advice would be appreciated. Thanks! With no fighter Levels? Azer (LA+4) Outsider 4/Wizard5/Eldritch Knigth 7 Weak to ice :( but can make pretty good wounds.
PhaedrusXY 01-29-08, 01:33 PM	Old-school Incantatrix abuse. The errata about not being able to metamagic a spell beyond a level you can cast doesn't apply to their 'metamagic effect' ability, so you can use it to apply Persistent Spell to your buffs after you cast them. Wraithstrike is a prime candidate, as are Bite of the Were-whatever, Righteous Might, and Divine Power (take Arcane Disciple [Competition] for the last two). Make or acquire an item with substantial spellcraft bonuses, though, or you'll have a hard time getting your buffs to stick every morning. :)This.