+0 LA outsiders? [Archive] - Wizards Community

+0 LA outsiders? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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CaveToad
12-18-05, 02:55 PM I am sure this has been asked or covered before. I scanned about 15 pages of threads and didn't see anything specific however.

Can anyone list any 0 LA outsider races for purposes of MMoF/Transmog/polymorphage goodness?

I found the Buomman, Neraph and Spiker in the Planar Handbook.

Any help would be appreciated.
PonTelon
12-18-05, 03:11 PM I at first wanted to say the LEsser Planettouched, but I actually think those lose the Outsider type. Umm. I dunno. That is a toughy.
HalasterAteMyHamster
12-18-05, 03:22 PM The Otherworldly feat from PGtFR makes an Elf/Spirit Folk/Deep Imaskari into an Outsider.
tsuyoshikentsu
12-18-05, 03:23 PM If there is one, you know you wanna set him up as an Archivist. Since they can cast alter self at 1st level.
Ouranos Harpy
12-18-05, 03:32 PM Lesser Planar-touched?
LA +0

Can you perhaps point me to thr right direction? where are they?
I've always wanted to play an Genasi, but hesitated with a +1 LA (I play spellcasters). I know this Lesser Planar touched isn't a Genasi, but flavour wise it's as close as I can get without upsetting the crunch.
HalasterAteMyHamster
12-18-05, 03:36 PM Lesser Planar-touched?
LA +0

Can you perhaps point me to thr right direction? where are they?
I've always wanted to play an Genasi, but hesitated with a +1 LA (I play spellcasters). I know this Lesser Planar touched isn't a Genasi, but flavour wise it's as close as I can get without upsetting the crunch.
PGtFR has Lesser Aasimar and Lesser Tiefling. They just lose their Outsider type.
DM_Dracophile
12-18-05, 03:52 PM I'll prolly berate myself for my stupidity, but I have to ask;

How does an Archivist cast Alter Self at 1st level?

Gracias

*waits to slap self upside the head for missing it*
HalasterAteMyHamster
12-18-05, 04:24 PM I'll prolly berate myself for my stupidity, but I have to ask;

How does an Archivist cast Alter Self at 1st level?

Gracias

*waits to slap self upside the head for missing it*
Consecrated Harrier gets it as a 1st level spell.
Cytokinesis
12-18-05, 04:44 PM Be a duskling from Magic of Incarnum, they are outsiders.
Khazra Reborn
12-18-05, 04:49 PM i thought dusklings were fey?
Cytokinesis
12-18-05, 04:53 PM Oh ya sorry i got confused, they aren't outsiders but they are fey(extraplanar).
Arikail
12-18-05, 06:23 PM Consecrated Harrier gets it as a 1st level spell.

Unfortunately, the Consecrated Harrier only gets Disguise Self, not Alter Self.
HalasterAteMyHamster
12-18-05, 07:29 PM Unfortunately, the Consecrated Harrier only gets Disguise Self, not Alter Self.
Damnit, you're right. The MotW class has Alter Self, but the CD update doesn't :/
hogarth
12-19-05, 07:08 AM I am sure this has been asked or covered before. I scanned about 15 pages of threads and didn't see anything specific however.

Can anyone list any 0 LA outsider races for purposes of MMoF/Transmog/polymorphage goodness?

I found the Buomman, Neraph and Spiker in the Planar Handbook.

Any help would be appreciated.
Aren't Buomman and Spikers of type Humanoid (Extraplanar)?
lostone
12-19-05, 10:20 AM Damnit, you're right. The MotW class has Alter Self, but the CD update doesn't :/That's because WotC decided to screw around with spell names. :rolleyes: IIRC the 3.5 Disguise Self spell was called Alter Self in 3.0.
Jayr
12-19-05, 10:36 AM Actually, the 3.0 alter self was a 2nd-level spell, and had the same name as in 3.5. It was the 3.0 spell change self that became disguise self.
lostone
12-19-05, 10:43 AM Actually, the 3.0 alter self was a 2nd-level spell, and had the same name as in 3.5. It was the 3.0 spell change self that became disguise self.I'm rather impressed I remembered there was the name change at all, I haven't cracked open my 3.0 player's handbook since 3.5 came out. :D
pfooti
12-19-05, 11:52 AM Buomman are Humanoid (Extraplanar), which is not an outsider. But from the same Planar Handbook, Neraphim are Outsider, +0 LA.
NineInchNall
12-19-05, 04:24 PM The Diaboli from Dragon are LA +0 outsiders with a tail sting, +2 bonus to saves versus spells and spell-likes, the chaos subtype, and a favored class of sorcerer.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
CaveToad 12-18-05, 02:55 PM	I am sure this has been asked or covered before. I scanned about 15 pages of threads and didn't see anything specific however. Can anyone list any 0 LA outsider races for purposes of MMoF/Transmog/polymorphage goodness? I found the Buomman, Neraph and Spiker in the Planar Handbook. Any help would be appreciated.
PonTelon 12-18-05, 03:11 PM	I at first wanted to say the LEsser Planettouched, but I actually think those lose the Outsider type. Umm. I dunno. That is a toughy.
HalasterAteMyHamster 12-18-05, 03:22 PM	The Otherworldly feat from PGtFR makes an Elf/Spirit Folk/Deep Imaskari into an Outsider.
tsuyoshikentsu 12-18-05, 03:23 PM	If there is one, you know you wanna set him up as an Archivist. Since they can cast alter self at 1st level.
Ouranos Harpy 12-18-05, 03:32 PM	Lesser Planar-touched? LA +0 Can you perhaps point me to thr right direction? where are they? I've always wanted to play an Genasi, but hesitated with a +1 LA (I play spellcasters). I know this Lesser Planar touched isn't a Genasi, but flavour wise it's as close as I can get without upsetting the crunch.
HalasterAteMyHamster 12-18-05, 03:36 PM	Lesser Planar-touched? LA +0 Can you perhaps point me to thr right direction? where are they? I've always wanted to play an Genasi, but hesitated with a +1 LA (I play spellcasters). I know this Lesser Planar touched isn't a Genasi, but flavour wise it's as close as I can get without upsetting the crunch. PGtFR has Lesser Aasimar and Lesser Tiefling. They just lose their Outsider type.
DM_Dracophile 12-18-05, 03:52 PM	I'll prolly berate myself for my stupidity, but I have to ask; How does an Archivist cast Alter Self at 1st level? Gracias waits to slap self upside the head for missing it
HalasterAteMyHamster 12-18-05, 04:24 PM	I'll prolly berate myself for my stupidity, but I have to ask; How does an Archivist cast Alter Self at 1st level? Gracias waits to slap self upside the head for missing it Consecrated Harrier gets it as a 1st level spell.
Cytokinesis 12-18-05, 04:44 PM	Be a duskling from Magic of Incarnum, they are outsiders.
Khazra Reborn 12-18-05, 04:49 PM	i thought dusklings were fey?
Cytokinesis 12-18-05, 04:53 PM	Oh ya sorry i got confused, they aren't outsiders but they are fey(extraplanar).
Arikail 12-18-05, 06:23 PM	Consecrated Harrier gets it as a 1st level spell. Unfortunately, the Consecrated Harrier only gets Disguise Self, not Alter Self.
HalasterAteMyHamster 12-18-05, 07:29 PM	Unfortunately, the Consecrated Harrier only gets Disguise Self, not Alter Self. Damnit, you're right. The MotW class has Alter Self, but the CD update doesn't :/
hogarth 12-19-05, 07:08 AM	I am sure this has been asked or covered before. I scanned about 15 pages of threads and didn't see anything specific however. Can anyone list any 0 LA outsider races for purposes of MMoF/Transmog/polymorphage goodness? I found the Buomman, Neraph and Spiker in the Planar Handbook. Any help would be appreciated. Aren't Buomman and Spikers of type Humanoid (Extraplanar)?
lostone 12-19-05, 10:20 AM	Damnit, you're right. The MotW class has Alter Self, but the CD update doesn't :/That's because WotC decided to screw around with spell names. :rolleyes: IIRC the 3.5 Disguise Self spell was called Alter Self in 3.0.
Jayr 12-19-05, 10:36 AM	Actually, the 3.0 alter self was a 2nd-level spell, and had the same name as in 3.5. It was the 3.0 spell change self that became disguise self.
lostone 12-19-05, 10:43 AM	Actually, the 3.0 alter self was a 2nd-level spell, and had the same name as in 3.5. It was the 3.0 spell change self that became disguise self.I'm rather impressed I remembered there was the name change at all, I haven't cracked open my 3.0 player's handbook since 3.5 came out. :D
pfooti 12-19-05, 11:52 AM	Buomman are Humanoid (Extraplanar), which is not an outsider. But from the same Planar Handbook, Neraphim are Outsider, +0 LA.
NineInchNall 12-19-05, 04:24 PM	The Diaboli from Dragon are LA +0 outsiders with a tail sting, +2 bonus to saves versus spells and spell-likes, the chaos subtype, and a favored class of sorcerer.