Post/Author/DateTime	Post
MeleeMonster 11-10-05, 04:18 PM	Anybody have any ideas? It seems that mostbonuses are usually phyysical escpecailly at a 0 LA. Crazy as it may seem I don't care about physical penalties but just the mental benefits.
Prominence 11-10-05, 04:22 PM	Gray Elf +2 int Sun Elf +2 int LA+0 Aasmir variant +2 WIS
Gehenna 11-10-05, 04:29 PM	Planar Handbook: Buomman +2Wis, -2Cha
Korg al Tarr 11-10-05, 04:47 PM	star elf(UE - FR) +2 cha -2 con
MeleeMonster 11-10-05, 04:53 PM	Thanks for the responses - keep them coming I am not toally feeling the elf thing - which most of those are but I am open to anything so lets see what else is out there.
Caelic 11-10-05, 04:58 PM	Vanara, from Oriental Adventures. Bonuses to Int AND Wisdom, 0 LA.
Un-dead 11-10-05, 04:58 PM	Savage Species (3.0): Antropomorphing Bat +6 Wiz
Tempest Stormwind 11-10-05, 05:07 PM	I seem to remember something along the lines of Jermaline... I don't remember the full name or the book, though. It was a very high-WIS race.
fnord 11-10-05, 05:13 PM	I seem to remember something along the lines of Jermaline... I don't remember the full name or the book, though. It was a very high-WIS race. MMII. I think it has +6 wis, but it's been a while and I can't find the book.
Blade2718 11-10-05, 05:31 PM	Anthropomorphic Bat I think has no LA. Can barely walk, though.
MeleeMonster 11-10-05, 05:44 PM	Vernara seems interesting anything more specific about that or this mysterious Jemaline? The anthro bat has got to have hd though right? This is goignt o be for the divine minion to MoMF trick (okayed by DM) so I wanted to get into the class and up in levels of the PrC as soo as possible - physical stats, even movement, fill not matter since I will be wild shaped continously.
Mistwell 11-10-05, 05:47 PM	Arcane Gnome, +2 Int, from Dragon Mag Issue # 291.
Caelic 11-10-05, 05:48 PM	I'd feel sorry for your DM if he hadn't brought it on himself. It goes without saying that you want to be a Venerable specimen of whatever you wind up choosing, for the +3 to all mental stats.
MeleeMonster 11-10-05, 06:06 PM	Yeah, he's lenient all right. In fact the stat sytem we have set up makes this even worth but is fun for players: All ability modifiers must = 10 when totalled. No Ability may be greater than a 18 and no lower than a 6. Half the stats odd, half the stats even so you know i am going: Str: 9 Dex: 9 Con: 11 Int: 18 Wis: 18 Cha: 18 Just to nerf him I am making him take VoP but still he's a beast -especially since those stat pumps are goin to mental stats. I would just be concerned if I id the mental stats bonus to venerable age that I may get mowed down if I am in an area that takes away my wild shaping ability. My con would be terrible and die from somebody blowing on me!
Un-dead 11-10-05, 06:21 PM	Anthropomorphic Bat I think has no LA. Can barely walk, though. It's not a problem for a druid. The anthro bat has got to have hd though right? No. Small creatures lose their HD when they take class levels.
allenchan 11-10-05, 06:25 PM	It's not a problem for a druid. No. Small creatures lose their HD when they take class levels. Uh, size has nothing to do with it. You only loose your HD when you take classes if you have one racial HD (ie, Pixies, etc)
Endarire 11-10-05, 06:33 PM	Maybe it's my MMII copy, but I saw no stats for Jermalines as player characters, though I also saw no level adjustment. -EE
fnord 11-10-05, 06:33 PM	Vernara seems interesting anything more specific about that or this mysterious Jemaline? The anthro bat has got to have hd though right? This is goignt o be for the divine minion to MoMF trick (okayed by DM) so I wanted to get into the class and up in levels of the PrC as soo as possible - physical stats, even movement, fill not matter since I will be wild shaped continously. Jermaline are Fey, so they don't qualify for Divine Minion. Anthropomorphic Bat just has one dropped hd, like every other PC race. It's probably the way to go. As someone mentioned, venerable may also be helpful, though at some point you may have problems even surviving first level.
MeleeMonster 11-10-05, 06:39 PM	Just clarifying: Anthropomorphic Bat construction is: Take a bat from the MM Add Anthropomorphic template from SS Is that it? If so and everybody loves it what do the effects (stats, etc.) look like?
allenchan 11-10-05, 07:03 PM	Maybe it's my MMII copy, but I saw no stats for Jermalines as player characters, though I also saw no level adjustment. -EE LAs are in the 3.5 update of MMII (its 3.0) stat bonuses are found by taking the stats presented and subracting 10 (if even) or 11 (if odd)
MeleeMonster 11-10-05, 08:02 PM	LA are nto stats. stat modiifiers from race are what you are speaking of. man races have what are caled LA or Level Adjustment because with their straight stats, extraordinary qualities, etc. they do nto make balanced 1st level chaaracters. Hence LA.
tsuyoshikentsu 11-10-05, 08:28 PM	On the bat's HD point: this is a part of the Anthro template.
Lord Zeb 11-10-05, 09:00 PM	Maybe it's my MMII copy, but I saw no stats for Jermalines as player characters, though I also saw no level adjustment. -EE I just looked in my MMII, and while yes, they get +6 wis, here's what else you get by being a Jermlaine... 1 foot tall (Tiny size), speak with rats at will -7 Str, +6 Dex, -2 Con, -2 Int, +6 Wis, -6 Cha So, if you wanted a high dex, high wis kind of character that is bad at everything else, Jermlaine is the answer. VoP would be a blessing, as good luck doing more than 1hp in damage with weapons.
allenchan 11-10-05, 09:13 PM	I just looked in my MMII, and while yes, they get +6 wis, here's what else you get by being a Jermlaine... 1 foot tall (Tiny size), speak with rats at will -7 Str, +6 Dex, -2 Con, -2 Int, +6 Wis, -6 Cha So, if you wanted a high dex, high wis kind of character that is bad at everything else, Jermlaine is the answer. VoP would be a blessing, as good luck doing more than 1hp in damage with weapons. Hence why most people play venerable jermlain druids, they dont care if they have a 1 in str, dex, and con.
Lune 11-10-05, 09:31 PM	Woo! venerable jermlain druids FTW! Anyone else think something is going wrong with game mechanics when venerable jermlain druids are a mechanically superior combo? lol
tsuyoshikentsu 11-11-05, 12:35 AM	Anyone else think something is going wrong with game mechanics when venerable jermlain druids are a mechanically superior combo? lol In a game where the most powerful creature ever is a level 5 Kobold? PFFFT. This is NOTHING.
fnord 11-11-05, 01:01 AM	Woo! venerable jermlain druids FTW! Anyone else think something is going wrong with game mechanics when venerable jermlain druids are a mechanically superior combo? lol It's not like they're superior to venerable anthropomorphic bat druids or anything.
Tweedledope 11-11-05, 01:13 AM	Just clarifying: Anthropomorphic Bat construction is: Take a bat from the MM Add Anthropomorphic template from SS Is that it? If so and everybody loves it what do the effects (stats, etc.) look like? Or just look at the table. IIRC, Bat is on there and it has a horrible land speed (like 5 I think). -=TD=-
tsuyoshikentsu 11-11-05, 02:34 AM	Or just look at the table. IIRC, Bat is on there and it has a horrible land speed (like 5 I think). -=TD=- You recall correctly. However, it DOES have a fly speed of 25, whihc is pretty damn nice for 0 ECL.
X-Codes 11-11-05, 02:44 AM	You recall correctly. However, it DOES have a fly speed of 25, whihc is pretty damn nice for 0 ECL. Average manuver, too. More than enough mobility to survive 4 levels of druid.
MeleeMonster 11-11-05, 10:18 AM	Ah but you all forget that the physical stats will not matter due to the wild shaping - damage witha war troll is through the roof. What is the stat array on the anthro-bat?