10th Level Druid Help [Archive] - Wizards Community

10th Level Druid Help [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Pfire
08-20-04, 02:02 PM I'm fairly new to D&D and I have never played a Druid before, but they look like they are alot of fun.

DM is letting me make a level 10 Druid to join our group.
Race: Human
Stats are
17
17
16
16
14
13
Should the high ones go to con and wisdom?

I've heard that Aug. Summoning, Spell Focus Conjuation, Natural Spell are good.

What are some other feats and equipment I should get.
SandisTheGOld
08-20-04, 02:10 PM here is how I reccomend putting your stats at this level:

str:14
dex:16
con:17
int:13
wis:17
cha:16

and because you are >level 8 you get 2 +1 bonuses to put into any stats you want. I suggest wis and con.

those are decent feats for you're general all purpose druid. Other good ones will depend on your focus. If you are going caster oriented you should consider the spell penetration feats. If you are going combat oriented you should consider feats that support the animal form you intend to take on. For example, if you are going to be a dire wolf, take combat expertise and improved trip for an infinit damage combo.

For items I suggest getting things that will up your wisdom, and pehaps some wild armor, though that may be a bit too expensive for you. An animated shield is another option for upping your defence.

-sandis
Pfire
08-20-04, 02:29 PM Originally posted by SandisTheGOld
For example, if you are going to be a dire wolf, take combat expertise and improved trip for an infinit damage combo.

For items I suggest getting things that will up your wisdom, and pehaps some wild armor, though that may be a bit too expensive for you. An animated shield is another option for upping your defence.

-sandis

Could you explain this infinite damage combo?
SandisTheGOld
08-20-04, 02:45 PM the dire wolf has an ability that lets it make an extra trip attempt on a succesful bite. Improved trip lets you make an extra attack after a successful trip. Lather, rinse, repeat.

now i'm sure you are wondering how you can trip somebody who is prone. The answer is "there is nowhere in the rules that says you cant". Soooo... clear it with your dm, and then do infinit damage. though seriously, he should say that you cant trip a prone person, but thats just a personal opinion.
michael_noah
08-20-04, 02:50 PM You should definitely put your three highest stats in WIS, INT, CHA. in that order. Your physical stats are meaningless, as you should be spending all your time wildshaped.

INT over CHA because Druids have an awesome skill list.
Caelic
08-20-04, 03:05 PM Originally posted by SandisTheGOld

now i'm sure you are wondering how you can trip somebody who is prone. The answer is "there is nowhere in the rules that says you cant". Soooo... clear it with your dm, and then do infinit damage. though seriously, he should say that you cant trip a prone person, but thats just a personal opinion.

There's also nowhere in the rules that says you can't hop on your left foot three times, shout "Ugga bugga bugga!" and be granted fifteen million experience points.

"There's nowhere in the rules that says you can't" is not the same as "The rules say you can."
CompleteSatori
08-20-04, 03:13 PM Since noone has asked...

Are you going to focus on being a Wildshaping fool? If so, you need to get the following feats: Exalted Wildshape, Dragon Wildshape, and definately Natural Spell.
The ability to become a Celestial templated Dragon is pretty nice.
SandisTheGOld
08-20-04, 03:18 PM what I meant to say, is that I was too lazy/busy to look up the thread where the trip chain was proved OK. Here is where it is at preasant.

Thank you Snow Savant (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=290720)
Caelic
08-20-04, 03:26 PM To be honest, I don't see any proof in that thread. I see Snow saying it can be done, and I've already made a promise that I won't argue with Snow over "The rules don't say I can't do it!" anymore.

I stand by my position, though: "The rules don't say I can't!" is not synonymous with "This is legal by the rules."

The sage might have ruled this legal--I certainly don't think Snow would lie about that--but he does a lot of weird things nowadays. I really don't think it's Skip writing the rulings anymore, to be honest.

This is part of why I stopped paying attention to anything in Dragon magazine years ago, and have a blanket ban on such material at my table.
Jesuit
08-20-04, 03:33 PM I recommend Extend Spell and Natural Spell.

Also keep in mind that all of your self buffs affect your animal companion.

I say extend spell because Druids have a lot of 1-3 level 10min/level buff spells.

Buy some non-magical Barding for your companion and have the party cleric hit it with Magic Vestment once per day (agree to mem a 3rd level curative in return or something) and buy however many Pearls of Power 1-3 you need to keep your buffs running.

Btw: I posted in another thread, but I think the FAQ ruling on Animal Companions is horrid. 2 Thumbs way down.
Asperdian
08-20-04, 03:34 PM And, if you're going Summoner, then for heavens sake take Rashemi Elemental Summoning of Snow Savant will get terribly mad ;)
Pfire
08-20-04, 03:39 PM Yah i'm probally going to wildshape most of the time, but still have full use of my spells
Inkubus
08-20-04, 08:51 PM Originally posted by CompleteSatori
The ability to become a Celestial templated Dragon is pretty nice.
Sorry but that doesn't work; it's celestial animals only. But hey it's still a really good feat...
Cheers,
Inkubus
Pfire
08-23-04, 08:56 AM So when i wildshape i take the STR and DEX but i keep my other stats?
Do i add my base attack to the animals attack?
ksbsnowowl
08-23-04, 10:26 AM So when i wildshape i take the STR and DEX but i keep my other stats?No, you take the Str, Dex, and Con of the creature's form. That means that Con isn't nearly as important as it used to be. I'd probably place your stats thusly:
Str: 13
Dex: 14
Con: 16
Int: 17
Wis: 17 (Increase to 19 with the two level increases)
Cha: 16
Do i add my base attack to the animals attack?Yes, you maintain your BAB and Base Save Bonuses. It's easiest to just pick a handful of combat forms and stick with those, and stat them out, just like you were writing up a seperate character sheet for each form. You can either copy/paste creature write-ups from the SRD, and then input your attack, save, and AC bonuses (from spells and items with wilding clasps; or if you have a liberal DM who allows animal forms to still wear items) into the entries, then print them out, or you can go HERE (http://www.thegamemechanics.com/freebies/index.asp), scroll to the bottom of the page and download the Initiative Cards. The monster init card sheet is a great way to make mini-character sheets for your different forms.
Pfire
08-31-04, 09:51 PM Does anyone have a compiled Druid Spell list from all the manuels?
MoonWizard
09-01-04, 01:36 AM It might be tapering in usefulness at that level, so that's why it needs to be extended: use the spell Produce Flame to enhance your melee damage in animal form. It'll add 8.5 fire damage to each claw and bite (in bear form or whatever). That's 25.5 fire damage a round, if all three hit. Its only first level.
Pfire
09-01-04, 09:26 AM Wow thanks that spell sounds extremely useful. Which book can I find info on Produce Flame ?
scrollreader
09-01-04, 09:46 AM PHB 265

(also, apparently, you can't enter a message of less then ten characters. :rolleyes: )
jake_lex
09-01-04, 10:08 AM I have to echo the recommendation above for Natural Spell. It's fun to take the form of a nice little robin or bluebird, fly right up to the Orc's camp, take a nice position in a tree, and call Flame Strike down on their chieftain. :D

"Tweet, tweet, motherf***er."
ksbsnowowl
09-01-04, 10:57 AM It's fun to take the form of a nice little robin or bluebird, fly right up to the Orc's camp, take a nice position in a tree, and call Flame Strike down on their chieftain. :D

"Tweet, tweet, motherf***er." :rofl: I just spewed water all over my computer screen :rofl:
sgc8647
09-01-04, 11:10 AM No, you take the Str, Dex, and Con of the creature's form. That means that Con isn't nearly as important as it used to be. I'd probably place your stats thusly:
Str: 13
Dex: 14
Con: 16
Int: 17
Wis: 17 (Increase to 19 with the two level increases)
Cha: 16
.

i agree with those stats also.

btw you cant use produce flame that way. please read again that spell (it works off iterative attacks and not natural attacks)

here are other feats you should consider:
rapid wild shape (don t remember)
rapid spell (CD)
Rashemi summoning (FR specific)
Oaken resiliance

enjoy
Gregoire
Pfire
09-01-04, 11:13 AM *grins* thats funny!
Pfire
09-02-04, 09:20 AM Thanks i'll have to look up those feats when i get home tonight

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Pfire 08-20-04, 02:02 PM	I'm fairly new to D&D and I have never played a Druid before, but they look like they are alot of fun. DM is letting me make a level 10 Druid to join our group. Race: Human Stats are 17 17 16 16 14 13 Should the high ones go to con and wisdom? I've heard that Aug. Summoning, Spell Focus Conjuation, Natural Spell are good. What are some other feats and equipment I should get.
SandisTheGOld 08-20-04, 02:10 PM	here is how I reccomend putting your stats at this level: str:14 dex:16 con:17 int:13 wis:17 cha:16 and because you are >level 8 you get 2 +1 bonuses to put into any stats you want. I suggest wis and con. those are decent feats for you're general all purpose druid. Other good ones will depend on your focus. If you are going caster oriented you should consider the spell penetration feats. If you are going combat oriented you should consider feats that support the animal form you intend to take on. For example, if you are going to be a dire wolf, take combat expertise and improved trip for an infinit damage combo. For items I suggest getting things that will up your wisdom, and pehaps some wild armor, though that may be a bit too expensive for you. An animated shield is another option for upping your defence. -sandis
Pfire 08-20-04, 02:29 PM	Originally posted by SandisTheGOld For example, if you are going to be a dire wolf, take combat expertise and improved trip for an infinit damage combo. For items I suggest getting things that will up your wisdom, and pehaps some wild armor, though that may be a bit too expensive for you. An animated shield is another option for upping your defence. -sandis Could you explain this infinite damage combo?
SandisTheGOld 08-20-04, 02:45 PM	the dire wolf has an ability that lets it make an extra trip attempt on a succesful bite. Improved trip lets you make an extra attack after a successful trip. Lather, rinse, repeat. now i'm sure you are wondering how you can trip somebody who is prone. The answer is "there is nowhere in the rules that says you cant". Soooo... clear it with your dm, and then do infinit damage. though seriously, he should say that you cant trip a prone person, but thats just a personal opinion.
michael_noah 08-20-04, 02:50 PM	You should definitely put your three highest stats in WIS, INT, CHA. in that order. Your physical stats are meaningless, as you should be spending all your time wildshaped. INT over CHA because Druids have an awesome skill list.
Caelic 08-20-04, 03:05 PM	Originally posted by SandisTheGOld now i'm sure you are wondering how you can trip somebody who is prone. The answer is "there is nowhere in the rules that says you cant". Soooo... clear it with your dm, and then do infinit damage. though seriously, he should say that you cant trip a prone person, but thats just a personal opinion. There's also nowhere in the rules that says you can't hop on your left foot three times, shout "Ugga bugga bugga!" and be granted fifteen million experience points. "There's nowhere in the rules that says you can't" is not the same as "The rules say you can."
CompleteSatori 08-20-04, 03:13 PM	Since noone has asked... Are you going to focus on being a Wildshaping fool? If so, you need to get the following feats: Exalted Wildshape, Dragon Wildshape, and definately Natural Spell. The ability to become a Celestial templated Dragon is pretty nice.
SandisTheGOld 08-20-04, 03:18 PM	what I meant to say, is that I was too lazy/busy to look up the thread where the trip chain was proved OK. Here is where it is at preasant. Thank you Snow Savant (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=290720)
Caelic 08-20-04, 03:26 PM	To be honest, I don't see any proof in that thread. I see Snow saying it can be done, and I've already made a promise that I won't argue with Snow over "The rules don't say I can't do it!" anymore. I stand by my position, though: "The rules don't say I can't!" is not synonymous with "This is legal by the rules." The sage might have ruled this legal--I certainly don't think Snow would lie about that--but he does a lot of weird things nowadays. I really don't think it's Skip writing the rulings anymore, to be honest. This is part of why I stopped paying attention to anything in Dragon magazine years ago, and have a blanket ban on such material at my table.
Jesuit 08-20-04, 03:33 PM	I recommend Extend Spell and Natural Spell. Also keep in mind that all of your self buffs affect your animal companion. I say extend spell because Druids have a lot of 1-3 level 10min/level buff spells. Buy some non-magical Barding for your companion and have the party cleric hit it with Magic Vestment once per day (agree to mem a 3rd level curative in return or something) and buy however many Pearls of Power 1-3 you need to keep your buffs running. Btw: I posted in another thread, but I think the FAQ ruling on Animal Companions is horrid. 2 Thumbs way down.
Asperdian 08-20-04, 03:34 PM	And, if you're going Summoner, then for heavens sake take Rashemi Elemental Summoning of Snow Savant will get terribly mad ;)
Pfire 08-20-04, 03:39 PM	Yah i'm probally going to wildshape most of the time, but still have full use of my spells
Inkubus 08-20-04, 08:51 PM	Originally posted by CompleteSatori The ability to become a Celestial templated Dragon is pretty nice. Sorry but that doesn't work; it's celestial animals only. But hey it's still a really good feat... Cheers, Inkubus
Pfire 08-23-04, 08:56 AM	So when i wildshape i take the STR and DEX but i keep my other stats? Do i add my base attack to the animals attack?
ksbsnowowl 08-23-04, 10:26 AM	So when i wildshape i take the STR and DEX but i keep my other stats?No, you take the Str, Dex, and Con of the creature's form. That means that Con isn't nearly as important as it used to be. I'd probably place your stats thusly: Str: 13 Dex: 14 Con: 16 Int: 17 Wis: 17 (Increase to 19 with the two level increases) Cha: 16 Do i add my base attack to the animals attack?Yes, you maintain your BAB and Base Save Bonuses. It's easiest to just pick a handful of combat forms and stick with those, and stat them out, just like you were writing up a seperate character sheet for each form. You can either copy/paste creature write-ups from the SRD, and then input your attack, save, and AC bonuses (from spells and items with wilding clasps; or if you have a liberal DM who allows animal forms to still wear items) into the entries, then print them out, or you can go HERE (http://www.thegamemechanics.com/freebies/index.asp), scroll to the bottom of the page and download the Initiative Cards. The monster init card sheet is a great way to make mini-character sheets for your different forms.
Pfire 08-31-04, 09:51 PM	Does anyone have a compiled Druid Spell list from all the manuels?
MoonWizard 09-01-04, 01:36 AM	It might be tapering in usefulness at that level, so that's why it needs to be extended: use the spell Produce Flame to enhance your melee damage in animal form. It'll add 8.5 fire damage to each claw and bite (in bear form or whatever). That's 25.5 fire damage a round, if all three hit. Its only first level.
Pfire 09-01-04, 09:26 AM	Wow thanks that spell sounds extremely useful. Which book can I find info on Produce Flame ?
scrollreader 09-01-04, 09:46 AM	PHB 265 (also, apparently, you can't enter a message of less then ten characters. :rolleyes: )
jake_lex 09-01-04, 10:08 AM	I have to echo the recommendation above for Natural Spell. It's fun to take the form of a nice little robin or bluebird, fly right up to the Orc's camp, take a nice position in a tree, and call Flame Strike down on their chieftain. :D "Tweet, tweet, motherf***er."
ksbsnowowl 09-01-04, 10:57 AM	It's fun to take the form of a nice little robin or bluebird, fly right up to the Orc's camp, take a nice position in a tree, and call Flame Strike down on their chieftain. :D "Tweet, tweet, motherf***er." :rofl: I just spewed water all over my computer screen :rofl:
sgc8647 09-01-04, 11:10 AM	No, you take the Str, Dex, and Con of the creature's form. That means that Con isn't nearly as important as it used to be. I'd probably place your stats thusly: Str: 13 Dex: 14 Con: 16 Int: 17 Wis: 17 (Increase to 19 with the two level increases) Cha: 16 . i agree with those stats also. btw you cant use produce flame that way. please read again that spell (it works off iterative attacks and not natural attacks) here are other feats you should consider: rapid wild shape (don t remember) rapid spell (CD) Rashemi summoning (FR specific) Oaken resiliance enjoy Gregoire
Pfire 09-01-04, 11:13 AM	grins thats funny!
Pfire 09-02-04, 09:20 AM	Thanks i'll have to look up those feats when i get home tonight