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NedjimbO Goblin Mage 08-08-06, 03:48 AM	ok i gotta make a 12 level charachter for a friend of mine's campaign...ok its more like I get to make it seeing as i probably wont be playing him for more than one session before somebody else takes him over :P somewhere on the interweb i found the complete levels for the force missile mage and I got inspired so far its gonna be wizard5/incantatrix1/ffm5/argent savant1 with the feat progression 1st: combat casting, iron will 2nd: empower spell 5th: fell drain 6th: arcane thesis: magic missile, maximize spell 9th: energy substitution 12: energy admixture but yeah, i'd only be a 10th level caster so at most i'd be able to cast 5th level spells. so I'd only be able to do fun stuff like an empowered, admixtured magic missile. cranking out 7 missiles that do (2d4+4)x1.5 damage each, or just about 12 damage a missile. oh darn, nothing too crazy but of course this does bring me to my 2 questions: #1: arcane thesis. this feat is evil. evil but fun! :D all I want to know, if I energy subbed and empowered a magic missle (after i have the FFM thing that gives it an energy subtype. probably acid because of acid sheath) i had arcane thesis for would it be a level 2 spell or a level 1 spell? #2: I've heard rumors that FFM may work with other magic missile like spells such as chain missle and Mordenkainen’s Force Missiles. is this true or am i going to be going through a crippling depression soon? #3: also, since they have that new metamagic specialist sorcerors in PHB2, should I do 5 levels of that instead of wizard? thank you for your assistance
NedjimbO Goblin Mage 08-08-06, 01:32 PM	dude just a simple question I just wanted to know about arcane thesis and the FMM is it really that much to ask?
PhoenixInferno 08-08-06, 01:43 PM	1) I dont know how, but your first post says "Today, 12:48 AM" and your second post says "Today, 10:32 AM" - I have no idea how that happened. (times in Pacific Daylight Time) 2) How important do you think you are that your questions need to be answered within minutes when many other more deserving posters languish for days without answers? 24 hours between self-bumps - its in the CoC. Now for your questions 1) Although there are no official rulings, I believe the majority consensus is that Arcane Thesis does not reduce metamagic costs to less than 0 (no negative modifiers). So an Energy Sub'ed, Empowered Magic Missile is prepared as a 2nd level spell. 2) I know nothing about the Force Missile Mage. It sounds like a question your DM should answer. 3) Sure, why not?
NedjimbO Goblin Mage 08-08-06, 02:10 PM	important? hardly I just want my own question answered as do they if you've been on the wizards boards long enough though, you know just as much as I do that if by the morning after you posted something it's on the 3rd page with no response. nobody is going to care. but thank you for your response, I figured so much as arcane thesis wouldn't be so broken (even though the wording implies otherwise, they really need to watch how they write those things. or, you know, just to not have printed arcane thesis in the first place.) and I would talk to my dm about the FMM but he kinda doesn't know much about it. To be honest, when i submit my character he's probably gonna look at it for a second and say "ok...wait, what the, what's an incantatrix? magic missile for HOW MUCH DAMAGE!?!?!?!?!" so yeah. in case nobody is familiar with the FMM's abilities that work with the missile: Bonus Missle: At 1st level, a force missle mage gains increased mastery over his spell of choice. Every time he casts magic missle he creates an additional missle, even if this extra missle exceeds the normal maximum of five missles that the spell normally allows. Thus a 1st-level force missle mage/6th-level wizard creates five migice missles, while a 1st-level force missle mage/8th-level wizard produces six missiles. At 5th level, the force missle mage benefits from an additional bonus missile. This means that a high-level force missle mage can create up to seven missiles with a single casting of magic missile. Still Missile (Ex): All of the force missile mage's magic missle spells lack a somatic component. He casts magic missile as if using the Still Spell feat but without an increase in spell level Energy Missile (Ex): a force missile mage becomes intimately attuned to teh energies that compose the spell magic missle and may alter them significant ways. Starting at 2nd level, a fice missle mage may add either the acid, cold, electricity, or fire discriptor to any magic missle he casts Swift Shield (Sp): A foce missile mage realizes the need to defend himself against the magic missiles of other spellcasters. A 2nd-level force missile mage can cast shield once per day as an immediate action. (an immediate action is like a free action, but only one can be made per round.) This spell is cast in addition to the force mage's usual number of spells per day and at the force missile mage's highest caster level. Overpowering Missile: At 3rd level, the fprce missile mage's magic missle spells become especially potent, breaking through spell resistance with the spell magic missile. This benefit only applies to magic missile spells he casts. In addition, a force missile mage's magic missiles might penetrate shiels spells and brooches of shielding. Against such protections, the force missile mage makes a caster level check with a DC equal to the caster level, int eh cast of shield, or DC 20, in the case of the brooch. I just thought it would be more flavorful if the force missile mage's abilities worked with other spells that fired force missiles/functioned like magic missile. But I'm kinda doubting it.
Kharmakazy 08-08-06, 02:27 PM	if you've been on the wizards boards long enough though, you know just as much as I do that if by the morning after you posted something it's on the 3rd page with no response. This sentence makes no sense. Also, I recognize PhoenixInferno as being knowledgeable and a frequent answerer of questions here. Who are you?
gerdklug 08-08-06, 03:20 PM	Sorry, I'm not going to answer your question because I am not that knowlegable and mostly just post questions and look through threads reading what the guru's say... but I will suggest that you use scorching ray (2nd level spell) instead of force missiles. And in my opinion elemental savant is far better than argent savant, plus there are more energy spells than there are force spells so it would probly make more sense to use that. I also find that electricity is the way to go, especially if you go with elemental savant because the air elemental's abilities are far superior than the others. force missiles is a 4th level spell I believe and an empowered scorching ray does more damage than that... so that's the way to go my man. Just advice, you can take it if you want. ------------------------------ I'd also suggest the sorcerer because I LOVE charisma bonuses. you stack cha by using a LA race with divine grace or unholy grace or whatever, get some abilities that help stack that stoof and you'll be rocking with a +20 cha (or more if you really go all out on it) bonus to saves, ac, AND attack!!!
PhoenixInferno 08-08-06, 03:28 PM	Also, I recognize PhoenixInferno as being knowledgeable and a frequent answerer of questions here. Who are you?I fail to see how my frequent presence here has to do with anything... if you've been on the wizards boards long enough though, you know just as much as I do that if by the morning after you posted something it's on the 3rd page with no response.I don't make the rules, I'm just repeating them for your convenience. But there are many others who have questions and are willing to wait at least...6-10 hours for a response with a simple "bump" instead of: dude just a simple question I just wanted to know about arcane thesis and the FMM is it really that much to ask? Its not like we work here.
marrithl2 08-08-06, 04:20 PM	what is FMM? (sorry for my ignorance)
Tyco3110 08-08-06, 06:17 PM	FMM is Force Missile Mage - Its a Magic Missile Specialist from Dragon Magazine
Zendu 08-08-06, 08:42 PM	Ive always heard 24 hours before self-bumping, and when your asking something of people, give a little respect... I agree with the arcane thesis thing, otherwise what would happen if you cast a -2 level spell, you get another level 2spell for the day? sillyness. Id consider twin spell if I were you.
NedjimbO Goblin Mage 08-08-06, 11:30 PM	I'm sorry phoenixinferno if I came off as arrogant or impatient. I was just upset because after scouring the internet for some answers and waiting 10 hours for even one response to my post I felt like my question wasn't important thank you for giving me some of your time nevertheless, even though I did break one of the most commonly broken rules you still had the kindness and decency to give me what input you had. Kharmakazy: oh you showed me, buddy. I'm a shakin now :eek: gerdklug: yeah, I looked into the elemental savant option with scorching ray and it would do a good deal more damage yes but magic missile is a ver versatile spell as alot of people sometimes forget. it requires no ranged touch attack and has medium range as opposed to close range so you can fire volleys of missiles at just about any foe on the battlefield from a nice safe distance rather than getting in the nitty gritty of it with ray spells as a weak little d4 hd caster, not to mention you'd have to get around things like cover, firing into melee without hitting your buddies, thats alot of feats right there just to make your ray spells work. Also i remembered that with all 5 levels FMM magic missile penetrates any type of spell resistance and can even have a chance of breaking through brooches or shield spells. not to mention magic missile is freaking iconic of d&d. and yeah I think I will go sorceror
Kharmakazy 08-09-06, 12:31 AM	For you. (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=you+sir%2C+are+an+ass)
NedjimbO Goblin Mage 08-09-06, 05:57 AM	lol dude that was actually pretty funny props I guess you get the free conrbread haha