18th lvl Druid/Master of Many Forms/Warshaper with Vow of Poverty [Archive] - Wizards Community

18th lvl Druid/Master of Many Forms/Warshaper with Vow of Poverty [Archive] - Wizards Community

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phantasy_guy
05-22-05, 12:23 PM Ok so heres how things stand. I'm creating a human Druid with vow of poverty, that takes all 10 levels of MOMF and the first 3 of WSH. I'm playing in a low magic world and I'm just checking to see if this is as good of an idea as i think it is. here are my stats as i rolled them, before level bonuses and VOP bonuses.
16
11
14
17
12
15

What are some good forms to keep in mind with this?

I assume this has been done before but i wanna try it out.

Joe
phantasy_guy
05-23-05, 02:04 AM :bump:
Moon-Lancer
05-23-05, 02:18 AM not really sure. I could help you out more if you were a level 18 druid. Im guessing creatures with good ex abilites are what you want. Dragons are worthless (sadly) without their supernatural ability. Maybe you can take the dragon wildshape? Or Exalted wildshape. I would Absolutely take intutive attack. its good for forms that dont have high strangth and you want to hit with ranged attacks. I would put your best stats into mental ones. Wis being the highest. I would then improve your wis/con/dex/str with your vop increases in that order. If you wanted more of a brute, you could go the strangth way and dop intutive attack.
slade_caizer
05-23-05, 03:28 AM Ok so heres how things stand. I'm creating a human Druid with vow of poverty, that takes all 10 levels of MOMF and the first 3 of WSH. I'm playing in a low magic world and I'm just checking to see if this is as good of an idea as i think it is. here are my stats as i rolled them, before level bonuses and VOP bonuses.
16
11
14
17
12
15

What are some good forms to keep in mind with this?

I assume this has been done before but i wanna try it out.

Joe

In a low-magic world...I'd probably just go with a LG Changling Monk6/Warshaper5/ReapingMauler5/Fighter4.

Then again I've never been much on shifting forms.
Todd
05-23-05, 08:24 AM I think that it's a very good choice. MoMF allows one to overcome the limitations of VoP like movement pretty easily. VoP bonuses also enhance the Wildshape forms so it's pretty potent.

If Unearthed Arcana is allowed then I would reccomend the Wildshape Ranger variant or the Druidic Avenger for entry into MoMF. I personally like the Ranger entry for the extra skills but that's me.

Dragon Mag also apparently had a Wildshape Monk variant in one issue.
Taliesin52
05-23-05, 10:38 PM Personally I'd opt for a level of monk, but I'm a big fan of the wisdom bonus, especially since you're physical stats are mostly irrelevant.

As for forms, Wartroll is one of my favorites, and you get it halfway through MoMF.
Surreal
05-23-05, 11:30 PM MoMF's best feature is (arguably) gaining all the ex abilities of your wildshape form at 7th level. If you don't need ooze/elemental/dragon forms, then you can put those 3 levels into something else.

Finishing Warshaper isn't that bad since it gives you full BAB and the 5th level ability lets you change as much as you want during a single wildshape, saving all your wildshape uses for those wildshape feats (Lion's Pounce from Complete Divine comes to mind). Some levels of Nature's Warrior are nice too, also offering full BAB and other nifty abilities (and another spell level never hurts). As mentioned earlier, monk is also good for all the wisdom goodies. If allowed, Singh Ranger (from Oriental Adventure) is a good progression to get into as well, offering rage like abilities and pounce at 4th level.

As for forms, War Troll (MM3) is one of the best you can get. Try to find the "Master of Many Forms Bible" somewhere on the Prestige Class forum, as it has a rather exhaustive listing of the best forms you can take.
djinni
05-24-05, 07:50 AM As for forms, War Troll (MM3) is one of the best you can get.
Wartroll is one of the best since all your gear remains on you (humanoid). but in a party a beholder would be a solid choice as well. as long as you took "assume supernatural ability." to get the 10 eye rays or the antimagic cone.
Ander Spectacular
05-24-05, 08:47 AM If you are using VoP, just make sure you pick up exalted wildshape and stay in blink dog form all day. Blinking and dimension door at will are nice, especially when you look so nice and unthreatening. Also, celestial <any large> bear is nice because you get a free smite and a few other goodies.
-AS-
phantasy_guy
05-24-05, 12:34 PM Ok with all that you guys have suggested here is my layout for my character

2MNK/5DRD/7MMF/4WSH
Str 12
Dex 14 (+2 = 16)
Con 12 (+4 = 16)
Int 16
Wis 19 (+6 = 25)
Cha 16

1st Sacred Vow, Vow of Poverty, Imp. Grapple
2nd Nymph's Kiss, Combat Reflexes,
3rd Alertness
4th Intuitive Attack
6th Endurance, Sanctify Natural Attack
8th Nimbus of Light
9th Assume Supernatural Ability
10th Holy Radiance
12th Improved Assume Supernatural Ability, Exalted Wildshape
14th Touch of Golden Ice
15th Quicken Change
16th Animal Friend
18th Power Attack, Gift of Faith

If there are any improvements you can think of let me know.

Joe
SKB
05-24-05, 01:08 PM Natural Spell, PHB, so you can cast spells in Wildshape form.
nachtmeister
05-24-05, 01:41 PM 3 levels of Warshaper are enough - you get fast healing ( regeneration ) on other ways
phantasy_guy
05-24-05, 02:17 PM 1st off i thought shifters speach allowed me to cast in animal form and 2ndly i plan on taking the 5th level of warshaper for multimorph
Taliesin52
05-24-05, 03:48 PM 1st off i thought shifters speach allowed me to cast in animal form and 2ndly i plan on taking the 5th level of warshaper for multimorph

You can cast any verbal spell with shifter's speech. However, shifter's speech doesn't give you fingers to wiggle or anything. Thus if you plan on spending most of your time in nonhumanoid-ish forms, natural spell's still necessary.
phantasy_guy
05-24-05, 04:15 PM hrmm...... good point, which feat should i lose so that i can choose natural spell?
phantasy_guy
05-25-05, 12:16 PM i hate bumping but oh well..............
:bump:
EldritchEvos
05-26-05, 08:11 AM I hate MoMF!!!!!!!
PLEASE WIZARDS!!!
BRING BACK SHIFTER!!!!!
now that i got that outta way...
This is a pretty cool idea..just helpin you along:bump:
(P.S. I saw the 3.5 shifter posted but i don't see why wizards had to make another shifting class if Shifter is good at it in the first place
necrosnoop110
05-26-05, 02:09 PM In another thread Catharz suggested to me the following build which might suit you well:

Human Vow of Poverty Divine Minion LA+1/ Master of many forms 10/ Warshaper 5/ XXX 4
phantasy_guy
05-26-05, 06:55 PM Where is Divine Minion located and I'm new to my group, so i don't know how the DM will react to the build i'm planning to use as it is, if i do your thing i dunno, it could be bad. As i don't know him well yet i'm gonna try and stay away from to strong of a cheese flavor, don't wanan give him teh wrong impression if you get what i mean.
necrosnoop110
05-27-05, 08:59 AM Divine Minion (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mb/20050209a)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
phantasy_guy 05-22-05, 12:23 PM	Ok so heres how things stand. I'm creating a human Druid with vow of poverty, that takes all 10 levels of MOMF and the first 3 of WSH. I'm playing in a low magic world and I'm just checking to see if this is as good of an idea as i think it is. here are my stats as i rolled them, before level bonuses and VOP bonuses. 16 11 14 17 12 15 What are some good forms to keep in mind with this? I assume this has been done before but i wanna try it out. Joe
phantasy_guy 05-23-05, 02:04 AM	:bump:
Moon-Lancer 05-23-05, 02:18 AM	not really sure. I could help you out more if you were a level 18 druid. Im guessing creatures with good ex abilites are what you want. Dragons are worthless (sadly) without their supernatural ability. Maybe you can take the dragon wildshape? Or Exalted wildshape. I would Absolutely take intutive attack. its good for forms that dont have high strangth and you want to hit with ranged attacks. I would put your best stats into mental ones. Wis being the highest. I would then improve your wis/con/dex/str with your vop increases in that order. If you wanted more of a brute, you could go the strangth way and dop intutive attack.
slade_caizer 05-23-05, 03:28 AM	Ok so heres how things stand. I'm creating a human Druid with vow of poverty, that takes all 10 levels of MOMF and the first 3 of WSH. I'm playing in a low magic world and I'm just checking to see if this is as good of an idea as i think it is. here are my stats as i rolled them, before level bonuses and VOP bonuses. 16 11 14 17 12 15 What are some good forms to keep in mind with this? I assume this has been done before but i wanna try it out. Joe In a low-magic world...I'd probably just go with a LG Changling Monk6/Warshaper5/ReapingMauler5/Fighter4. Then again I've never been much on shifting forms.
Todd 05-23-05, 08:24 AM	I think that it's a very good choice. MoMF allows one to overcome the limitations of VoP like movement pretty easily. VoP bonuses also enhance the Wildshape forms so it's pretty potent. If Unearthed Arcana is allowed then I would reccomend the Wildshape Ranger variant or the Druidic Avenger for entry into MoMF. I personally like the Ranger entry for the extra skills but that's me. Dragon Mag also apparently had a Wildshape Monk variant in one issue.
Taliesin52 05-23-05, 10:38 PM	Personally I'd opt for a level of monk, but I'm a big fan of the wisdom bonus, especially since you're physical stats are mostly irrelevant. As for forms, Wartroll is one of my favorites, and you get it halfway through MoMF.
Surreal 05-23-05, 11:30 PM	MoMF's best feature is (arguably) gaining all the ex abilities of your wildshape form at 7th level. If you don't need ooze/elemental/dragon forms, then you can put those 3 levels into something else. Finishing Warshaper isn't that bad since it gives you full BAB and the 5th level ability lets you change as much as you want during a single wildshape, saving all your wildshape uses for those wildshape feats (Lion's Pounce from Complete Divine comes to mind). Some levels of Nature's Warrior are nice too, also offering full BAB and other nifty abilities (and another spell level never hurts). As mentioned earlier, monk is also good for all the wisdom goodies. If allowed, Singh Ranger (from Oriental Adventure) is a good progression to get into as well, offering rage like abilities and pounce at 4th level. As for forms, War Troll (MM3) is one of the best you can get. Try to find the "Master of Many Forms Bible" somewhere on the Prestige Class forum, as it has a rather exhaustive listing of the best forms you can take.
djinni 05-24-05, 07:50 AM	As for forms, War Troll (MM3) is one of the best you can get. Wartroll is one of the best since all your gear remains on you (humanoid). but in a party a beholder would be a solid choice as well. as long as you took "assume supernatural ability." to get the 10 eye rays or the antimagic cone.
Ander Spectacular 05-24-05, 08:47 AM	If you are using VoP, just make sure you pick up exalted wildshape and stay in blink dog form all day. Blinking and dimension door at will are nice, especially when you look so nice and unthreatening. Also, celestial <any large> bear is nice because you get a free smite and a few other goodies. -AS-
phantasy_guy 05-24-05, 12:34 PM	Ok with all that you guys have suggested here is my layout for my character 2MNK/5DRD/7MMF/4WSH Str 12 Dex 14 (+2 = 16) Con 12 (+4 = 16) Int 16 Wis 19 (+6 = 25) Cha 16 1st Sacred Vow, Vow of Poverty, Imp. Grapple 2nd Nymph's Kiss, Combat Reflexes, 3rd Alertness 4th Intuitive Attack 6th Endurance, Sanctify Natural Attack 8th Nimbus of Light 9th Assume Supernatural Ability 10th Holy Radiance 12th Improved Assume Supernatural Ability, Exalted Wildshape 14th Touch of Golden Ice 15th Quicken Change 16th Animal Friend 18th Power Attack, Gift of Faith If there are any improvements you can think of let me know. Joe
SKB 05-24-05, 01:08 PM	Natural Spell, PHB, so you can cast spells in Wildshape form.
nachtmeister 05-24-05, 01:41 PM	3 levels of Warshaper are enough - you get fast healing ( regeneration ) on other ways
phantasy_guy 05-24-05, 02:17 PM	1st off i thought shifters speach allowed me to cast in animal form and 2ndly i plan on taking the 5th level of warshaper for multimorph
Taliesin52 05-24-05, 03:48 PM	1st off i thought shifters speach allowed me to cast in animal form and 2ndly i plan on taking the 5th level of warshaper for multimorph You can cast any verbal spell with shifter's speech. However, shifter's speech doesn't give you fingers to wiggle or anything. Thus if you plan on spending most of your time in nonhumanoid-ish forms, natural spell's still necessary.
phantasy_guy 05-24-05, 04:15 PM	hrmm...... good point, which feat should i lose so that i can choose natural spell?
phantasy_guy 05-25-05, 12:16 PM	i hate bumping but oh well.............. :bump:
EldritchEvos 05-26-05, 08:11 AM	I hate MoMF!!!!!!! PLEASE WIZARDS!!! BRING BACK SHIFTER!!!!! now that i got that outta way... This is a pretty cool idea..just helpin you along:bump: (P.S. I saw the 3.5 shifter posted but i don't see why wizards had to make another shifting class if Shifter is good at it in the first place
necrosnoop110 05-26-05, 02:09 PM	In another thread Catharz suggested to me the following build which might suit you well: Human Vow of Poverty Divine Minion LA+1/ Master of many forms 10/ Warshaper 5/ XXX 4
phantasy_guy 05-26-05, 06:55 PM	Where is Divine Minion located and I'm new to my group, so i don't know how the DM will react to the build i'm planning to use as it is, if i do your thing i dunno, it could be bad. As i don't know him well yet i'm gonna try and stay away from to strong of a cheese flavor, don't wanan give him teh wrong impression if you get what i mean.
necrosnoop110 05-27-05, 08:59 AM	Divine Minion (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mb/20050209a)