3000GP to spend, nothing to buy? [Archive] - Wizards Community

3000GP to spend, nothing to buy? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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VolkorTheRed
10-31-03, 09:58 AM In a short while we will start a new dragonlance campaign.

Because of the fact that the DM, who will master it, views Krynn as an low magic world, our new characters don't really have the opportunity to buy magical items.

Our party start out as 6th level characters.
Mine will be a Wizard5/Wizard of High Sorcery1.
We get 3000 GP per character to spend on our starting equipment.

Does anyone know what i could buy (everything except alchemical or magical equipment/weapons/items) ?

Also: we can buy healing potions, to include in our starting equipment, but the cost of those is increased by 50%
:D

Thx for reply's... :)
MarkusH
10-31-03, 10:11 AM Will your GM allow special materials? 3000 is nothing if you want to buy adamantine or mithril equipment, not to mention some of the more bizarre stuff out of non-core books.

Can you buy other types of potions or just healing potions?

What rules is the GM using for learning new spells? If I'm starting a wizard above first, most of my money goes into purchasing and learning new spells.

Does he allow item creation feats? (Like your scribe scroll.) You can spend some money on scrolls pretty quickly. If you picked up craft wonderous or craft arms and armor, 3000 will go pretty quickly. Of course, you will have to spend some xp, so if he starts you at exactly 6th, that may be a problem.

Hope this helps.
SoulLord
10-31-03, 10:45 AM what race is your wizard?

if hes an elf he could purchase some fine elven (masterwork) blade or bow

other than that perhaps a mithril buckler?

SoulLord
VolkorTheRed
10-31-03, 12:55 PM Soullord; The wizard is a NG human, his hometown is Sanction. (you never know when this is information someone can use ;) )

MarkusH; Well, i don't think the DM will tolerate any other magical potion or special materials. Certainly not Mithril or some kind of equal material...
I believe he mentioned i could use the money to make scrolls or scribe extra spells.

Problem is, that i start the campaign originally as an 4th lvl sorcerer and then make the switch to Wizard, when the Gods return to Krynn... :D So, i don't really know yet how he will rule that... (Gonna ask him rightaway though :D)

Note: the main stat ability for my spellcasting (even as a Sorcerer) stays my Intelligence. :)
Morka
10-31-03, 01:14 PM Since you are a wizard, can't you craft yourself some items? It will cost you some feats, but at higher level, you will be able to craft absolutely anything, so no need to wait the item be available at the next Magic Items shop!

Edit: Sorry, didn't notice someone already spoke of this.
BenjCano
10-31-03, 01:16 PM You're absolutely right, Morca. As a matter of fact, when you take an item creation feat at character creation, you can buy items made by that feat at half price, just as if you'd made them yourself.
MarkusH
10-31-03, 01:29 PM I'm assuming that he will allow you to convert those sorceror levels into Wizard levels. (Sorc 4/Wiz 1 bites, and I don't think it qualifies for the PrC, although I'm not terribly familiar with the Wizard of High Sorcery). If that is the case, I'd go for buying spells. A wizard's strength lies in versatility. The more spells you have, the better you are going to be. And spells are expensive.

Scrolls also allow you to increase your variety of spells that you have ready. While you don't often need the Arcane Lock spell (for example), when you do need it, you will really want it ready to go. Having that scroll of Arcane Lock means you can memorize another spell in it's place.

If I were your position, I'd put a few hundred aside for mundane equipment (perhaps a masterwork item or two), spend most of the money on spells, and spend the rest on making scrolls. (Although since you can't buy scrolls from others, I am wondering how the DM is going to charge for buying the spells in the first place.)
eudas
10-31-03, 02:37 PM buy yourself an assload of normal stuff; so while the other characters may have a nice sword, shield, and armor, you will have a conestoga wagon, packed full with items, a team of horses/oxen, and a couple of retainers to handle animals/guard things/carry things/be go-for boys.

just my $0.02,
eudas
VolkorTheRed
10-31-03, 03:10 PM Originally posted by Morka
Since you are a wizard, can't you craft yourself some items? It will cost you some feats, but at higher level, you will be able to craft absolutely anything, so no need to wait the item be available at the next Magic Items shop!

Edit: Sorry, didn't notice someone already spoke of this.

Thought of that myself, but can't do it; i need the feats i have to qualify for the prestige class of Wizard of high sorcery (My DM wants me to take the PrC as soon as possible, that being on 6th character level :D )
VolkorTheRed
10-31-03, 03:12 PM Originally posted by eudas
buy yourself an assload of normal stuff; so while the other characters may have a nice sword, shield, and armor, you will have a conestoga wagon, packed full with items, a team of horses/oxen, and a couple of retainers to handle animals/guard things/carry things/be go-for boys.

just my $0.02,
eudas

hehehe :tiphat:

I like it... maybe i even buy me some house or estate and rent it out to make money :)
Dirichlet
10-31-03, 04:25 PM Originally posted by VolkorTheRed
hehehe :tiphat:

I like it... maybe i even buy me some house or estate and rent it out to make money :)

If your DM does not allow you to spend your starting money on scribing extra spells into your spellbook, then you should do the following:

I would say take a good chunk of your starting money (1000 gp) and buy 50,000 live chickens (check the PHB, 2cp = 1 chicken). Use maybe 1000gp or so of the remaining money to buy some land. 500gp should get you some basic chicken coops and a crude silo. The remaining money can be spent on about 50 tons of grain (1cp = 1 pound) and some tools.

Make sure you get the spell 'unseen servant' for cheap labor.

You should be making at least 10 GP per day on eggs alone. After things get going, having the unseen servants slaughter and dress the chickens to keep the population stable should bring at least 25 GP a day as well.

Seriously. If you cannot buy any spells, magic items or alchemical items WHAT THE HELL ELSE IS THERE FOR A WIZARD TO BUY?

If your DMs game is as low magic / low money as it sounds, your character should be earning WAY more money as a chicken farmer than by risking your neck killing monsters and do-gooding.

In a good year, you should earn over 4x (a little over 12,000 GP) as you did as a wizard for 6 entire levels.
catharz
10-31-03, 04:31 PM Actually cracking the stronghold builder's guidebook isn't such a bad idea.
Ryunnosuke
10-31-03, 05:07 PM I like your idea, Dirichlet.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
VolkorTheRed 10-31-03, 09:58 AM	In a short while we will start a new dragonlance campaign. Because of the fact that the DM, who will master it, views Krynn as an low magic world, our new characters don't really have the opportunity to buy magical items. Our party start out as 6th level characters. Mine will be a Wizard5/Wizard of High Sorcery1. We get 3000 GP per character to spend on our starting equipment. Does anyone know what i could buy (everything except alchemical or magical equipment/weapons/items) ? Also: we can buy healing potions, to include in our starting equipment, but the cost of those is increased by 50% :D Thx for reply's... :)
MarkusH 10-31-03, 10:11 AM	Will your GM allow special materials? 3000 is nothing if you want to buy adamantine or mithril equipment, not to mention some of the more bizarre stuff out of non-core books. Can you buy other types of potions or just healing potions? What rules is the GM using for learning new spells? If I'm starting a wizard above first, most of my money goes into purchasing and learning new spells. Does he allow item creation feats? (Like your scribe scroll.) You can spend some money on scrolls pretty quickly. If you picked up craft wonderous or craft arms and armor, 3000 will go pretty quickly. Of course, you will have to spend some xp, so if he starts you at exactly 6th, that may be a problem. Hope this helps.
SoulLord 10-31-03, 10:45 AM	what race is your wizard? if hes an elf he could purchase some fine elven (masterwork) blade or bow other than that perhaps a mithril buckler? SoulLord
VolkorTheRed 10-31-03, 12:55 PM	Soullord; The wizard is a NG human, his hometown is Sanction. (you never know when this is information someone can use ;) ) MarkusH; Well, i don't think the DM will tolerate any other magical potion or special materials. Certainly not Mithril or some kind of equal material... I believe he mentioned i could use the money to make scrolls or scribe extra spells. Problem is, that i start the campaign originally as an 4th lvl sorcerer and then make the switch to Wizard, when the Gods return to Krynn... :D So, i don't really know yet how he will rule that... (Gonna ask him rightaway though :D) Note: the main stat ability for my spellcasting (even as a Sorcerer) stays my Intelligence. :)
Morka 10-31-03, 01:14 PM	Since you are a wizard, can't you craft yourself some items? It will cost you some feats, but at higher level, you will be able to craft absolutely anything, so no need to wait the item be available at the next Magic Items shop! Edit: Sorry, didn't notice someone already spoke of this.
BenjCano 10-31-03, 01:16 PM	You're absolutely right, Morca. As a matter of fact, when you take an item creation feat at character creation, you can buy items made by that feat at half price, just as if you'd made them yourself.
MarkusH 10-31-03, 01:29 PM	I'm assuming that he will allow you to convert those sorceror levels into Wizard levels. (Sorc 4/Wiz 1 bites, and I don't think it qualifies for the PrC, although I'm not terribly familiar with the Wizard of High Sorcery). If that is the case, I'd go for buying spells. A wizard's strength lies in versatility. The more spells you have, the better you are going to be. And spells are expensive. Scrolls also allow you to increase your variety of spells that you have ready. While you don't often need the Arcane Lock spell (for example), when you do need it, you will really want it ready to go. Having that scroll of Arcane Lock means you can memorize another spell in it's place. If I were your position, I'd put a few hundred aside for mundane equipment (perhaps a masterwork item or two), spend most of the money on spells, and spend the rest on making scrolls. (Although since you can't buy scrolls from others, I am wondering how the DM is going to charge for buying the spells in the first place.)
eudas 10-31-03, 02:37 PM	buy yourself an assload of normal stuff; so while the other characters may have a nice sword, shield, and armor, you will have a conestoga wagon, packed full with items, a team of horses/oxen, and a couple of retainers to handle animals/guard things/carry things/be go-for boys. just my $0.02, eudas
VolkorTheRed 10-31-03, 03:10 PM	Originally posted by Morka Since you are a wizard, can't you craft yourself some items? It will cost you some feats, but at higher level, you will be able to craft absolutely anything, so no need to wait the item be available at the next Magic Items shop! Edit: Sorry, didn't notice someone already spoke of this. Thought of that myself, but can't do it; i need the feats i have to qualify for the prestige class of Wizard of high sorcery (My DM wants me to take the PrC as soon as possible, that being on 6th character level :D )
VolkorTheRed 10-31-03, 03:12 PM	Originally posted by eudas buy yourself an assload of normal stuff; so while the other characters may have a nice sword, shield, and armor, you will have a conestoga wagon, packed full with items, a team of horses/oxen, and a couple of retainers to handle animals/guard things/carry things/be go-for boys. just my $0.02, eudas hehehe :tiphat: I like it... maybe i even buy me some house or estate and rent it out to make money :)
Dirichlet 10-31-03, 04:25 PM	Originally posted by VolkorTheRed hehehe :tiphat: I like it... maybe i even buy me some house or estate and rent it out to make money :) If your DM does not allow you to spend your starting money on scribing extra spells into your spellbook, then you should do the following: I would say take a good chunk of your starting money (1000 gp) and buy 50,000 live chickens (check the PHB, 2cp = 1 chicken). Use maybe 1000gp or so of the remaining money to buy some land. 500gp should get you some basic chicken coops and a crude silo. The remaining money can be spent on about 50 tons of grain (1cp = 1 pound) and some tools. Make sure you get the spell 'unseen servant' for cheap labor. You should be making at least 10 GP per day on eggs alone. After things get going, having the unseen servants slaughter and dress the chickens to keep the population stable should bring at least 25 GP a day as well. Seriously. If you cannot buy any spells, magic items or alchemical items WHAT THE HELL ELSE IS THERE FOR A WIZARD TO BUY? If your DMs game is as low magic / low money as it sounds, your character should be earning WAY more money as a chicken farmer than by risking your neck killing monsters and do-gooding. In a good year, you should earn over 4x (a little over 12,000 GP) as you did as a wizard for 6 entire levels.
catharz 10-31-03, 04:31 PM	Actually cracking the stronghold builder's guidebook isn't such a bad idea.
Ryunnosuke 10-31-03, 05:07 PM	I like your idea, Dirichlet.