5x4 Character Building Challenge [Archive] - Wizards Community

5x4 Character Building Challenge [Archive] - Wizards Community

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TAG
02-06-05, 12:46 PM Okay, one of my DMs is weird as hell, and has decided to go with a new campaign for us... Starting at level 20. "Sweeeeeet... I get to ransack the Character Optimization board for something with 50 attacks or twentieth level divine and arcane spells or something..."

Then he levies the one stipulation. Five levels of four classes, meeting prereqs... "Say what?" "You have to take five levels of four different classes."

So, here's my challenge to you guys... Put together the most interesting builds you can think of, where you must take five levels of four different classes, while meeting prereqs.

Books allowed are all WotC stuff... 3.5. Stats haven't been determined, but we tend to go with about a 40 point build on average so go with that.

I'm gonna build a couple myself, but I'm not as talented as you guys, so toss some builds up and let's see what you people can do. Please include book references for all classes taken and prereqs for way out there classes.
SigmaJargon
02-06-05, 01:38 PM You could easily make a fairly good mage this way. Something along with lines of Human Wizard 5/Wild Mage 5/Geometer 5/Archmage 5

Wizard 1
Wizard 2
Wizard 3
Wizard 4
Wizard 5
Wizard 5/Wild Mage 1
Wizard 5/Wild Mage 2
Wizard 5/Wild Mage 3
Wizard 5/Wild Mage 4
Wizard 5/Wild Mage 5
Wizard 5/Wild Mage 5/Geometer 1
Wizard 5/Wild Mage 5/Geometer 2
Wizard 5/Wild Mage 5/Geometer 3
Wizard 5/Wild Mage 5/Geometer 4
Wizard 5/Wild Mage 5/Geometer 5
Wizard 5/Wild Mage 5/Geometer 5/Archmage 1
Wizard 5/Wild Mage 5/Geometer 5/Archmage 2
Wizard 5/Wild Mage 5/Geometer 5/Archmage 3
Wizard 5/Wild Mage 5/Geometer 5/Archmage 4
Wizard 5/Wild Mage 5/Geometer 5/Archmage 5

1 Able Learner, Magical Apitude
3 Feat
5 Empower Spell (Wizard Bonus Feat)
6 Feat
9 Spell Focus (Evocation)
12 Spell Focus (Conjuration)
15 Skill Focus (Spellcraft)
18 Feat

This leaves you with several feats open to customize. You should probably take Spell Penetration and Improved Initative with a couple of them, and use the other one to support a role-playing aspect.
PhaedrusXY
02-06-05, 01:46 PM I don't know much about what options the 3.5 Exotic Weapon Master gives you, but I think a decent and interesting build would be monk5/ShouDisciple5/SinghRager5/ExoticWpnM5. You could rage and make pouncing flurry attacks with any weapons you wanted, and use some of the tricks you get from EWM. Shou Disciple is in the Unapproachable East book, and Singh Rager is from Oriental Adventures, which was updated in Dragon 318 to 3.5. A combo of a two-handed weapon flurry with unarmed off-hand strikes would be possible.
preacher of nothing
02-06-05, 02:13 PM Are you forced to have a 5x4 build? or is it just something you're allowed?
Personally, i'd suggest one of the wiz/cleric/ur-priest/mystic theurge builds that can get pretty brutal. However, if you're forced to have 5 levels of each class/PrC, it's not worth it IMO since you lose out on too many caster levels from both arcane and divine.

If you're not forced to do that, a druid 20 or a psion 20 are both great ideas. Lemme know if you are allowed druid or psion 20 and i'll make up a feat selection for each ;)

~preacher~
Otto the Bugbear
02-06-05, 02:28 PM Exotic Weapon Master is only 3 levels now, so that's not gonna fly.

However, I'm sure there are likely other classes that can provide a build as you've described.

Just to throw out a few wierd ideas...

Ranger 5 / Annointed Knight 5 / Shou Disciple 5 / Singh Rager 5 - for Two-handed weapon plus unarmed strikes using TWF, rage, money pit with ancestral relic (tomes!!!)

Monk 5 / Annointed Knight 5 / Shou Disciple 5 / Ranger 5 - take Ascetic Hunter for stacking monk and ranger goodies

Ranger 5 / Holy Liberator 5 / Windwalker 5 / Divine Champion 5 - full BAB, minor spellcasting, air walk good skills.

Warlock 5 / Enlightened Fist 5 / Shou Disciple 5 / Eldritch Knight 5 - +16 BAB, flurry, self buffing, Vow of Poverty.

Ranger 5 / Assassin 5 / Eldritch Knight 5 / Shou Disciple 5 - more 2hand weapon plus TWF goodness, +18 BAB, minor spells, bit of sneak attack.

Cheers

Otto :)

For reference...
Unearthed Arcana = Prestige Paladin
Complete Divine = Hospitaler, Holy Liberator
DMG = Assassin, Eldritch Knight
Unapproachable East = Shou Disciple
Complete Arcane = Enlightened Fist
Faiths and Pantheons = Windwalker
Player's Guide to Faerun = Divine Champion
Book of Exalted Deeds = Annointed Knight
Oriental Adventures = Singh Rager
PhaedrusXY
02-06-05, 02:34 PM Those ranger builds made me think of the Stalker of Evil. You could do some variation of it with a 5/5/5/5. http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=140595
Belldandy
02-06-05, 02:38 PM I like druid 5, warshaper 5, natures warrior 5 and...

whatever else you like 5. (monk would be good?)

Change form and eat people!
:D
Belldandy
02-06-05, 02:48 PM Do you HAVE to take 5 levels in each or is 5 levels the MAX in a class?

(for things like exotic weapon master)

Rogue 5, Ninja 5, Master thrower 5, Invisible blade 5
would also be horrible

(Ninja from rokugan, full sneak and BA and bits...)
Baneslayer
02-06-05, 02:49 PM How about this:
Ranger 5/Soulknife 5/Pyro 5/Tempest 5

Two-Weapon user who cannot be disarmed - he manifests his own weapons - using a Flaming Bastard Sword in one hand and a 1d8 Touch attack 15' range pyro whip in the other.
Ringmereth
02-06-05, 03:03 PM Ranger 5/Swashbuckler 5/Tempest 5/Dervish 5, perhaps? If you need more feats, swap Swashbuckler for Fighter or something... maybe exoticst?
Vapthorne
02-06-05, 03:24 PM Here's an interesting Cleric build.

Righteous Judge of the Dragon God
Clositered Cleric 5 / Church Inquistor 5 / Contemplative 5 / Dracolyte 5

Main Sources: Complete Divine, Unearthed Arcana and Draconomicon

Deity: Bahamut (LG or LN)
Six Domain: Knowledge (PHB), Cold (CDiv)*, Luck (PHB)*, Inquisition (CDiv), Dragon (Drac)*, and Glory (Drac). Note: The marked domains can be changed to any that Bahamut possess, these are just my pick).
Immunes: Charms, Complusions, Disease, and Poisons.
Other Bonus: A wyrmling, Detect Evil, Alertness, Bardic(-like) Knowledge.

2 Feats Required: Dragonfriend, and Toughness (Note: see if you can subsitute for Improved Toughness in Complete Warrior)
Furry Rodent
02-06-05, 03:27 PM Rogue 5/Nighsong Infiltrator 5/Dungeon Delver 5/Exemplar 5: Skills? Anyone?

Monk 5/Ranger 5/Paladin 5/Rogue 5: Combine with these feats - Ascetic Hunter, Ascetic Knight, Ascetic Rogue, Devoted Inquistor, and Devoted Tracker. Taking them in a more logical order, and at 20th level you have full Monk damage, +16 BAB, full Smite Evil Damage, an Animal Companion Mount, and a sneak attack that kicks ass.
TAG
02-06-05, 10:51 PM Heh... Got a good amount of response. Kewl. And all of these look like interesting builds... I'll havta look through them. Forgot that tonight was my Running night, so I didn't get a chance to make any myself...

As for questions, yes, you havta take five levels and only five levels in a given class.

And heheh... The one book that I don't have on that one list from Otto is Unapproachable East... Which means all but one of his builds I can't put together. ^^;;

It's allowed, I just don't have it... Maybe I can find someone who does.

Thanks for all the builds, keep 'em coming. ^^;;
scrollreader
02-07-05, 12:31 AM Rogue 5/Invisible Blade 5/Master Thrower 5/Nightsong Enforcer 5

BAB +18. Loads o SA. Pretty good skills throughout. The man with the plan. And the daggers.

Ranger 5/Assassin 5/Daggerspell Mage 5/Nightsong Enforcer 5.
BAB +16. Decent SA. And 4th level assassin spells.
catharz
02-07-05, 01:19 AM Gnome
Wizard 5/Incantatrix 5/Shadowcraft mage 5/Halruaan elder 5

Or Wizard 5/Incantatrix 5/Shadowcraft mage 5/Spellguard of Silverymoon 5

Or Wizard 5/Shadow adept 5/Shadowcraft mage 5/Halruaan elder 5.
paradoxmage
02-07-05, 01:49 AM Paladin 5th/Warmage 5th/Spellsword 5th/Eldritch Knight 5th

BaB: +17
Caster 12th (6th level spells)
Alot of nice paladin abilities
ignore spell failure 20%, channel spell 3/day

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
TAG 02-06-05, 12:46 PM	Okay, one of my DMs is weird as hell, and has decided to go with a new campaign for us... Starting at level 20. "Sweeeeeet... I get to ransack the Character Optimization board for something with 50 attacks or twentieth level divine and arcane spells or something..." Then he levies the one stipulation. Five levels of four classes, meeting prereqs... "Say what?" "You have to take five levels of four different classes." So, here's my challenge to you guys... Put together the most interesting builds you can think of, where you must take five levels of four different classes, while meeting prereqs. Books allowed are all WotC stuff... 3.5. Stats haven't been determined, but we tend to go with about a 40 point build on average so go with that. I'm gonna build a couple myself, but I'm not as talented as you guys, so toss some builds up and let's see what you people can do. Please include book references for all classes taken and prereqs for way out there classes.
SigmaJargon 02-06-05, 01:38 PM	You could easily make a fairly good mage this way. Something along with lines of Human Wizard 5/Wild Mage 5/Geometer 5/Archmage 5 Wizard 1 Wizard 2 Wizard 3 Wizard 4 Wizard 5 Wizard 5/Wild Mage 1 Wizard 5/Wild Mage 2 Wizard 5/Wild Mage 3 Wizard 5/Wild Mage 4 Wizard 5/Wild Mage 5 Wizard 5/Wild Mage 5/Geometer 1 Wizard 5/Wild Mage 5/Geometer 2 Wizard 5/Wild Mage 5/Geometer 3 Wizard 5/Wild Mage 5/Geometer 4 Wizard 5/Wild Mage 5/Geometer 5 Wizard 5/Wild Mage 5/Geometer 5/Archmage 1 Wizard 5/Wild Mage 5/Geometer 5/Archmage 2 Wizard 5/Wild Mage 5/Geometer 5/Archmage 3 Wizard 5/Wild Mage 5/Geometer 5/Archmage 4 Wizard 5/Wild Mage 5/Geometer 5/Archmage 5 1 Able Learner, Magical Apitude 3 Feat 5 Empower Spell (Wizard Bonus Feat) 6 Feat 9 Spell Focus (Evocation) 12 Spell Focus (Conjuration) 15 Skill Focus (Spellcraft) 18 Feat This leaves you with several feats open to customize. You should probably take Spell Penetration and Improved Initative with a couple of them, and use the other one to support a role-playing aspect.
PhaedrusXY 02-06-05, 01:46 PM	I don't know much about what options the 3.5 Exotic Weapon Master gives you, but I think a decent and interesting build would be monk5/ShouDisciple5/SinghRager5/ExoticWpnM5. You could rage and make pouncing flurry attacks with any weapons you wanted, and use some of the tricks you get from EWM. Shou Disciple is in the Unapproachable East book, and Singh Rager is from Oriental Adventures, which was updated in Dragon 318 to 3.5. A combo of a two-handed weapon flurry with unarmed off-hand strikes would be possible.
preacher of nothing 02-06-05, 02:13 PM	Are you forced to have a 5x4 build? or is it just something you're allowed? Personally, i'd suggest one of the wiz/cleric/ur-priest/mystic theurge builds that can get pretty brutal. However, if you're forced to have 5 levels of each class/PrC, it's not worth it IMO since you lose out on too many caster levels from both arcane and divine. If you're not forced to do that, a druid 20 or a psion 20 are both great ideas. Lemme know if you are allowed druid or psion 20 and i'll make up a feat selection for each ;) ~preacher~
Otto the Bugbear 02-06-05, 02:28 PM	Exotic Weapon Master is only 3 levels now, so that's not gonna fly. However, I'm sure there are likely other classes that can provide a build as you've described. Just to throw out a few wierd ideas... Ranger 5 / Annointed Knight 5 / Shou Disciple 5 / Singh Rager 5 - for Two-handed weapon plus unarmed strikes using TWF, rage, money pit with ancestral relic (tomes!!!) Monk 5 / Annointed Knight 5 / Shou Disciple 5 / Ranger 5 - take Ascetic Hunter for stacking monk and ranger goodies Ranger 5 / Holy Liberator 5 / Windwalker 5 / Divine Champion 5 - full BAB, minor spellcasting, air walk good skills. Warlock 5 / Enlightened Fist 5 / Shou Disciple 5 / Eldritch Knight 5 - +16 BAB, flurry, self buffing, Vow of Poverty. Ranger 5 / Assassin 5 / Eldritch Knight 5 / Shou Disciple 5 - more 2hand weapon plus TWF goodness, +18 BAB, minor spells, bit of sneak attack. Cheers Otto :) For reference... Unearthed Arcana = Prestige Paladin Complete Divine = Hospitaler, Holy Liberator DMG = Assassin, Eldritch Knight Unapproachable East = Shou Disciple Complete Arcane = Enlightened Fist Faiths and Pantheons = Windwalker Player's Guide to Faerun = Divine Champion Book of Exalted Deeds = Annointed Knight Oriental Adventures = Singh Rager
PhaedrusXY 02-06-05, 02:34 PM	Those ranger builds made me think of the Stalker of Evil. You could do some variation of it with a 5/5/5/5. http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=140595
Belldandy 02-06-05, 02:38 PM	I like druid 5, warshaper 5, natures warrior 5 and... whatever else you like 5. (monk would be good?) Change form and eat people! :D
Belldandy 02-06-05, 02:48 PM	Do you HAVE to take 5 levels in each or is 5 levels the MAX in a class? (for things like exotic weapon master) Rogue 5, Ninja 5, Master thrower 5, Invisible blade 5 would also be horrible (Ninja from rokugan, full sneak and BA and bits...)
Baneslayer 02-06-05, 02:49 PM	How about this: Ranger 5/Soulknife 5/Pyro 5/Tempest 5 Two-Weapon user who cannot be disarmed - he manifests his own weapons - using a Flaming Bastard Sword in one hand and a 1d8 Touch attack 15' range pyro whip in the other.
Ringmereth 02-06-05, 03:03 PM	Ranger 5/Swashbuckler 5/Tempest 5/Dervish 5, perhaps? If you need more feats, swap Swashbuckler for Fighter or something... maybe exoticst?
Vapthorne 02-06-05, 03:24 PM	Here's an interesting Cleric build. Righteous Judge of the Dragon God Clositered Cleric 5 / Church Inquistor 5 / Contemplative 5 / Dracolyte 5 Main Sources: Complete Divine, Unearthed Arcana and Draconomicon Deity: Bahamut (LG or LN) Six Domain: Knowledge (PHB), Cold (CDiv), Luck (PHB), Inquisition (CDiv), Dragon (Drac)*, and Glory (Drac). Note: The marked domains can be changed to any that Bahamut possess, these are just my pick). Immunes: Charms, Complusions, Disease, and Poisons. Other Bonus: A wyrmling, Detect Evil, Alertness, Bardic(-like) Knowledge. 2 Feats Required: Dragonfriend, and Toughness (Note: see if you can subsitute for Improved Toughness in Complete Warrior)
Furry Rodent 02-06-05, 03:27 PM	Rogue 5/Nighsong Infiltrator 5/Dungeon Delver 5/Exemplar 5: Skills? Anyone? Monk 5/Ranger 5/Paladin 5/Rogue 5: Combine with these feats - Ascetic Hunter, Ascetic Knight, Ascetic Rogue, Devoted Inquistor, and Devoted Tracker. Taking them in a more logical order, and at 20th level you have full Monk damage, +16 BAB, full Smite Evil Damage, an Animal Companion Mount, and a sneak attack that kicks ass.
TAG 02-06-05, 10:51 PM	Heh... Got a good amount of response. Kewl. And all of these look like interesting builds... I'll havta look through them. Forgot that tonight was my Running night, so I didn't get a chance to make any myself... As for questions, yes, you havta take five levels and only five levels in a given class. And heheh... The one book that I don't have on that one list from Otto is Unapproachable East... Which means all but one of his builds I can't put together. ^^;; It's allowed, I just don't have it... Maybe I can find someone who does. Thanks for all the builds, keep 'em coming. ^^;;
scrollreader 02-07-05, 12:31 AM	Rogue 5/Invisible Blade 5/Master Thrower 5/Nightsong Enforcer 5 BAB +18. Loads o SA. Pretty good skills throughout. The man with the plan. And the daggers. Ranger 5/Assassin 5/Daggerspell Mage 5/Nightsong Enforcer 5. BAB +16. Decent SA. And 4th level assassin spells.
catharz 02-07-05, 01:19 AM	Gnome Wizard 5/Incantatrix 5/Shadowcraft mage 5/Halruaan elder 5 Or Wizard 5/Incantatrix 5/Shadowcraft mage 5/Spellguard of Silverymoon 5 Or Wizard 5/Shadow adept 5/Shadowcraft mage 5/Halruaan elder 5.
paradoxmage 02-07-05, 01:49 AM	Paladin 5th/Warmage 5th/Spellsword 5th/Eldritch Knight 5th BaB: +17 Caster 12th (6th level spells) Alot of nice paladin abilities ignore spell failure 20%, channel spell 3/day