6, 10, 10, 11, 12, 14. What would you do? [Archive] - Wizards Community

6, 10, 10, 11, 12, 14. What would you do? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Irian
04-14-06, 11:00 AM Hello everyone!

After some extemely bad luck with rolling stats, I was wondering: What kind of character would you create if you rolled 6, 10, 10, 11, 12, 14 for the stats of your new character? How could you optimize that? :confused:

Irian
Super Rats
04-14-06, 11:07 AM Ask the DM if you could reroll your ability scores.
Karm Hundredfists
04-14-06, 11:10 AM Ask if you can take a special race with buyoff? Or try to get +2 to the important stat of 14 and make a single stat dependant character. It could be fun to roleplay a character who is bad at everything except for one thing.
Medicelious-Melharmonac
04-14-06, 11:13 AM It's not all that horrible

STR 10
DEX 10
CON 11
INT 12
WIS 14
CHA 6

Druid + Wildshape = Not horrendous
Fingers Boggis
04-14-06, 11:19 AM Wildshape ranger+natures warrior/wildshaper+ master of many forms

there was a thread here a while ago making a "useless" character with stats worse than the ones you've rolled. Im pretty sure the above was similar to what was decided and made for a pretty good melee character. I dont think theres much you can do on the spell casting front tho

Fingers
TinManFan
04-14-06, 11:41 AM Going by the rules, you're allowed to re-roll that bad boys. PHB states if your overall modifier is not a +2 (+3 w/ -2 so overall +1) you are allowed to re-roll. However you do not need to. Just pick a class that does not require a lot of good stats. Fighter, Rogue, Ranger and MAYBE Artificer.

Fighter just put the 14 in Str and the 12 in con, make sure that 6 goes into CHA and yer good.

Ranger needs the 14 in Dex and go the archery route. The dex helps with AC since your limited to the armors that don't hose you w/ your skills. Speaking of, that 12 should go into con or int, the 11 in the one you didn't put the 12 into and again, the 6 to cha.

Rogue. 14 dex, 12 con, make sure you have a non negative in cha, you can get a dager thrower going nicely.

Artificer. Put that in so you can make stat items to boost said stats. 14 in Int, 12 in Cha (To help w/ the UMD checks) and the 6 should go to Wis. They have good wis saves and not too many skills (Useful ones) that require wis. To be on the safe side, go Human and blow a feat on Iron Will just to be safe.
Irian
04-14-06, 11:57 AM Thanks everyone! I'll look into your suggestions.
xanadu
04-14-06, 12:21 PM druid doesn't work now because wildshape uses your con modifier, not what you turn into.

fighters need str & con, wis is nice because their will save is bad, dex is handy for combat, and 13 int is nice for combat expertise and such - it is actually a MAD class.

stay away from combat and be a psion is what i'd do. vigor helps offset your lousy con
SoulLord
04-14-06, 12:48 PM here's what I woluld do 6, 10, 10, 11, 12, 14

Sun elf wizard
int 14 +2 race = 16
wis 6
cha 10
str 10
dex 11
con 12 -2 race = 10

lvl 4th,8th,12th,16th increase int and at 20th increase dex.

ends like

int 20 +5 all spells available
wis 6 offset by wiz good saves
cha 10
str 10
dex 12
con 10
saru
04-14-06, 01:02 PM you could be a sorceror :

Str 6
Dex 11
Con 12
Int 10
Wis 10
Cha 14
ck2001wendt
04-14-06, 01:30 PM I'd go with a dumb-as-rocks Dwarven Fighter or Barbarian

Str 14
Dex 11
Con 14
Int 6
Wis 10
Cha 8
Phantom
04-14-06, 02:40 PM I would go with the Warlock.

STR 6
DEX 14 (or 11)
CON 12
INT 10
WIS 10
CHA 11 (or 14)
Surreal
04-14-06, 02:46 PM I second the warlock. They don't really need any stats to be viable. Drop that 14 either into Dex or Cha depending if you want to blast a bit more or be a social warlock.
The_WhiteRabbit
04-14-06, 03:42 PM How about a dwarven druid? Possibly even a wild dwarf (from Races of Faerun).

STR 10
DEX 10
CON 14
INT 11
WIS 14
CHA 4

You could explain the low charisma as being anti-social, someone who tends not to talk to people and when he does, he's very blunt and direct.

The CHA of 4 will cause you a little bit of trouble with animal training at first, but not a ton. After 5th level, you can go to Master of Many Forms to focus on your wildshape if you don't want to worry about casting as much.
Colyn_Kell
04-14-06, 03:51 PM Make a halfling monk.
Put your worst stat into dex, and your next worst into str.
Get into combat as much as you can, and soon enough youll be rolling stats again. :D
X-Codes
04-14-06, 08:54 PM Reroll. By the rules in the PHB you are allowed to reroll, and if the DM says you can't then you really ought to consider playing another game. (25 PB is fine, but you're barely any better than the non-elite array. I.E. Those stats do not a hero make, and you are supposed to be playing a heroic character, aren't you?)

If you can't reroll and this is the last DM around that you can play with, then play a cowardly, naiive non-combat rogue.

Goblin Rogue 10/Exemplar 10
S: 10 (8), D: 11 (13), C: 10, I: 14, W: 6, Ch: 12 (10)

You can sling a rock alright in combat if you can't do anything else. Otherwise just pack wands and wizard scrolls. You should be a good trapsmith and semi-decent scout (although your spot and listen mods will suck early with that 6 wisdom). Take the Run feat at level 1 and you'll survive just fine (you don't need to outrun that dragon, just the rest of the party =P).

EDIT: This honestly makes pretty good for RP as well. You're the sniveling little wimp that the party fighter picks on and bullies into being nice to the rest of the party and, in exchange for not just running off, you get a fair share of the loot.
ninjarabbit
04-14-06, 09:44 PM half orc fighter

str 16
dex 10
con 12
int 8
wis 10
cha 4
Bard-of-all-trades
04-14-06, 11:48 PM You could go with Inherited Lycanthropy: Werewolf. This allows you to add +2 to your base Wis and the other racial abilities. So you could possibly have an 8, 10, 10, 11, 12, 14 for stats. The in Hybrid/ Animal form you would get to add +2 Str, +4 Dex and Con. And it's only a +3 LE.

OR

You could go with playing a Janni. You get +6 Str, +4 Int, +4 Wis, +4 Dex, +2 Con and +2 Cha. This is a +5 LE. Whole slew of coll racial abilities.

OR

You could play a Solar. They give you +18 Str, +12 Int, +14 Wis, +10 Dex, +10 Con, +14 Cha. Skills and racial abilities abound. Unfortunately they don't give a LE for this race (I wonder why??!?).

Just something to think on.
X-Codes
04-15-06, 03:22 AM Bard, don't be sarcastic on the internet. I doubt even 10% of all sarcasm on the internet is properly interpeted as sarcasm the first go-through.

If you aren't being sarcastic, theres no LA for Solars because their LA would make them epic (their HD actually makes them post-epic already). In an epic game, balance is what you make of it. Characters can already to absolutely insane stunts which rather makes the point of LA and CR moot (not entirely, mind you, but almost).
Boondoggle
04-15-06, 03:40 AM I would go with the Warlock.

STR 6
DEX 14 (or 11)
CON 12
INT 10
WIS 10
CHA 11 (or 14)
QFT!
King_Bulba
04-15-06, 03:50 AM Hello everyone!

After some extemely bad luck with rolling stats, I was wondering: What kind of character would you create if you rolled 6, 10, 10, 11, 12, 14 for the stats of your new character? How could you optimize that? :confused:

Irian
Doesn't matter. First action with the char I do is coup de grace myself. Then again my DM wouldn't force me to use those stat. Ask your DM about rerolling.
Mist of Shadows
04-15-06, 03:57 AM I would ask if I could steal some points from the 6 to put the 14 up higher. I would play a wizard with an eye to becoming a lich. Maybe a lich that worships vecna or something so I could use the book of the stilted tongue.
X-Codes
04-15-06, 04:01 AM Doesn't matter. First action with the char I do is coup de grace myself. Then again my DM wouldn't force me to use those stat. Ask your DM about rerolling.
Of course!
If your DM says you can't coup de gras yourself, then do as such: Put the 6 in Constitution and the 14 in Charisma and be a half-elf Bard. Buy a coffin from an undertaker for no more than 30 gold. Run naked to the nearest Wizard's tower and buy 7 CL 1 Magic Missles from them (costs 70 gold). Thats an automatic 14 damage, even if they're all 1's. You are now dead, and since you are unwilling to be revived, you can't be. Reroll.
FiestFan
04-15-06, 07:07 AM Githzerai Psychic Warrior
STR 11
DEX 16
CON 12
INT 8
WIS 14
CHA 6

Flaw: Murky-eyed. Feats: PBShot, Psionic Shot, Improved Toughness.
Focus on Ranged weapons and beg for LA buy-off.
Fugazi
04-15-06, 09:52 AM Commoner, Skill Focus handle animal and perhaps basketweaving too.

But I'd go for the druid ;)
Irian
04-15-06, 12:56 PM Wow, I didn't expect that many replies. Thanks for all your help.
Aloïsius
04-15-06, 01:48 PM If your DM does not let you re-roll, then just play the crappiest possible character. A paladin or a monk, by example. An aged one, with -6 in each physical stat.
Mist of Shadows
04-15-06, 02:04 PM Ohhh an aged necro :)

Con 1,
Dex 4,
Str 4,
Int 17,
Wis 14,
cha 15,

As soon as possible buy a scroll of polymorph other and get a different body.

That's not a bad idea so the new body until you can become undead.
Problem solved for the most part :)
Khazra Reborn
04-15-06, 03:50 PM necropolitan monk. Stats:
str 12
dex 11
con - (6)
int 10
cha 10
wis 14

Created by a necropolitan wizard who sacraficed his + spell from necromancy school for enhanced undead (as per UA). They have the corpsecrafter, deadly chill, hardened flesh and nimble bones feats. Created in a desecrated area with an altar.
This makes your character:
human necropolitan monk1
stats:
str 12+4(enhance)=16
dex 11+4(enhance)=15
con -
int 10
wis 14
cha10
Feats:
1.sacred vow, vow of peace, [B]stunning fist

Hp=1d12+6=18 (assuming max for 1st level rule)
AC= 22 (10,+4NA,+2wis,+2dex,+2deflect,+2exalted )
attack=+3 melee
damage=1d6+1d6(cold) non-lethal
speed=40ft
initiative=+4

should kick some ass :D
JosephKell
04-15-06, 03:53 PM Just do a Raistlin type character. Low Strength, Low Constitution... I would focus on True Strike + Orb spells... The whole point being that you try not to attract any attention until JUST after you nuke a guy. Maybe do your best to max out Intimidate and Bluff... ("I'm not a threat..." *super nuke a guy* "Who else wants some?")

Craft Wonderous Item is a must so that you can make attribute boost items.

FYI: Raistlin had the worst stats ever, but he became the strongest character in Dragonlance (originally) because a player stuck with it.
Mist of Shadows
04-15-06, 04:31 PM I like Raistlin, he took out a world :)

I would go with the caster type of character.

Go with my stats for aged steal a new body then have the necropolitan thing done :)
King_Bulba
04-15-06, 08:02 PM Ohhh an aged necro :)

Con 1,
Dex 4,
Str 4,
Int 17,
Wis 14,
cha 15,

As soon as possible buy a scroll of polymorph other and get a different body.

That's not a bad idea so the new body until you can become undead.
Problem solved for the most part :)
I love it. 1 con LOL
Khazra Reborn
04-15-06, 08:56 PM except when you get to high level and disintergreate spells....
Karm Hundredfists
04-15-06, 09:17 PM Bat Small 1d8 +0 1 –4 +0 +0 +0 +6 –2 (2 + Int mod) × 4 +0 +1 Druid 5 20 (average)

Anthropomorphic Bat is only a +1 ECL.
Be venerable
Makes your stats

Str 3
Dex 3
Con 7
Wis 23
Int 14
Cha 15

Be a druid. Kick back and enjoy the physical stats of your choice of animal.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Irian 04-14-06, 11:00 AM	Hello everyone! After some extemely bad luck with rolling stats, I was wondering: What kind of character would you create if you rolled 6, 10, 10, 11, 12, 14 for the stats of your new character? How could you optimize that? :confused: Irian
Super Rats 04-14-06, 11:07 AM	Ask the DM if you could reroll your ability scores.
Karm Hundredfists 04-14-06, 11:10 AM	Ask if you can take a special race with buyoff? Or try to get +2 to the important stat of 14 and make a single stat dependant character. It could be fun to roleplay a character who is bad at everything except for one thing.
Medicelious-Melharmonac 04-14-06, 11:13 AM	It's not all that horrible STR 10 DEX 10 CON 11 INT 12 WIS 14 CHA 6 Druid + Wildshape = Not horrendous
Fingers Boggis 04-14-06, 11:19 AM	Wildshape ranger+natures warrior/wildshaper+ master of many forms there was a thread here a while ago making a "useless" character with stats worse than the ones you've rolled. Im pretty sure the above was similar to what was decided and made for a pretty good melee character. I dont think theres much you can do on the spell casting front tho Fingers
TinManFan 04-14-06, 11:41 AM	Going by the rules, you're allowed to re-roll that bad boys. PHB states if your overall modifier is not a +2 (+3 w/ -2 so overall +1) you are allowed to re-roll. However you do not need to. Just pick a class that does not require a lot of good stats. Fighter, Rogue, Ranger and MAYBE Artificer. Fighter just put the 14 in Str and the 12 in con, make sure that 6 goes into CHA and yer good. Ranger needs the 14 in Dex and go the archery route. The dex helps with AC since your limited to the armors that don't hose you w/ your skills. Speaking of, that 12 should go into con or int, the 11 in the one you didn't put the 12 into and again, the 6 to cha. Rogue. 14 dex, 12 con, make sure you have a non negative in cha, you can get a dager thrower going nicely. Artificer. Put that in so you can make stat items to boost said stats. 14 in Int, 12 in Cha (To help w/ the UMD checks) and the 6 should go to Wis. They have good wis saves and not too many skills (Useful ones) that require wis. To be on the safe side, go Human and blow a feat on Iron Will just to be safe.
Irian 04-14-06, 11:57 AM	Thanks everyone! I'll look into your suggestions.
xanadu 04-14-06, 12:21 PM	druid doesn't work now because wildshape uses your con modifier, not what you turn into. fighters need str & con, wis is nice because their will save is bad, dex is handy for combat, and 13 int is nice for combat expertise and such - it is actually a MAD class. stay away from combat and be a psion is what i'd do. vigor helps offset your lousy con
SoulLord 04-14-06, 12:48 PM	here's what I woluld do 6, 10, 10, 11, 12, 14 Sun elf wizard int 14 +2 race = 16 wis 6 cha 10 str 10 dex 11 con 12 -2 race = 10 lvl 4th,8th,12th,16th increase int and at 20th increase dex. ends like int 20 +5 all spells available wis 6 offset by wiz good saves cha 10 str 10 dex 12 con 10
saru 04-14-06, 01:02 PM	you could be a sorceror : Str 6 Dex 11 Con 12 Int 10 Wis 10 Cha 14
ck2001wendt 04-14-06, 01:30 PM	I'd go with a dumb-as-rocks Dwarven Fighter or Barbarian Str 14 Dex 11 Con 14 Int 6 Wis 10 Cha 8
Phantom 04-14-06, 02:40 PM	I would go with the Warlock. STR 6 DEX 14 (or 11) CON 12 INT 10 WIS 10 CHA 11 (or 14)
Surreal 04-14-06, 02:46 PM	I second the warlock. They don't really need any stats to be viable. Drop that 14 either into Dex or Cha depending if you want to blast a bit more or be a social warlock.
The_WhiteRabbit 04-14-06, 03:42 PM	How about a dwarven druid? Possibly even a wild dwarf (from Races of Faerun). STR 10 DEX 10 CON 14 INT 11 WIS 14 CHA 4 You could explain the low charisma as being anti-social, someone who tends not to talk to people and when he does, he's very blunt and direct. The CHA of 4 will cause you a little bit of trouble with animal training at first, but not a ton. After 5th level, you can go to Master of Many Forms to focus on your wildshape if you don't want to worry about casting as much.
Colyn_Kell 04-14-06, 03:51 PM	Make a halfling monk. Put your worst stat into dex, and your next worst into str. Get into combat as much as you can, and soon enough youll be rolling stats again. :D
X-Codes 04-14-06, 08:54 PM	Reroll. By the rules in the PHB you are allowed to reroll, and if the DM says you can't then you really ought to consider playing another game. (25 PB is fine, but you're barely any better than the non-elite array. I.E. Those stats do not a hero make, and you are supposed to be playing a heroic character, aren't you?) If you can't reroll and this is the last DM around that you can play with, then play a cowardly, naiive non-combat rogue. Goblin Rogue 10/Exemplar 10 S: 10 (8), D: 11 (13), C: 10, I: 14, W: 6, Ch: 12 (10) You can sling a rock alright in combat if you can't do anything else. Otherwise just pack wands and wizard scrolls. You should be a good trapsmith and semi-decent scout (although your spot and listen mods will suck early with that 6 wisdom). Take the Run feat at level 1 and you'll survive just fine (you don't need to outrun that dragon, just the rest of the party =P). EDIT: This honestly makes pretty good for RP as well. You're the sniveling little wimp that the party fighter picks on and bullies into being nice to the rest of the party and, in exchange for not just running off, you get a fair share of the loot.
ninjarabbit 04-14-06, 09:44 PM	half orc fighter str 16 dex 10 con 12 int 8 wis 10 cha 4
Bard-of-all-trades 04-14-06, 11:48 PM	You could go with Inherited Lycanthropy: Werewolf. This allows you to add +2 to your base Wis and the other racial abilities. So you could possibly have an 8, 10, 10, 11, 12, 14 for stats. The in Hybrid/ Animal form you would get to add +2 Str, +4 Dex and Con. And it's only a +3 LE. OR You could go with playing a Janni. You get +6 Str, +4 Int, +4 Wis, +4 Dex, +2 Con and +2 Cha. This is a +5 LE. Whole slew of coll racial abilities. OR You could play a Solar. They give you +18 Str, +12 Int, +14 Wis, +10 Dex, +10 Con, +14 Cha. Skills and racial abilities abound. Unfortunately they don't give a LE for this race (I wonder why??!?). Just something to think on.
X-Codes 04-15-06, 03:22 AM	Bard, don't be sarcastic on the internet. I doubt even 10% of all sarcasm on the internet is properly interpeted as sarcasm the first go-through. If you aren't being sarcastic, theres no LA for Solars because their LA would make them epic (their HD actually makes them post-epic already). In an epic game, balance is what you make of it. Characters can already to absolutely insane stunts which rather makes the point of LA and CR moot (not entirely, mind you, but almost).
Boondoggle 04-15-06, 03:40 AM	I would go with the Warlock. STR 6 DEX 14 (or 11) CON 12 INT 10 WIS 10 CHA 11 (or 14) QFT!
King_Bulba 04-15-06, 03:50 AM	Hello everyone! After some extemely bad luck with rolling stats, I was wondering: What kind of character would you create if you rolled 6, 10, 10, 11, 12, 14 for the stats of your new character? How could you optimize that? :confused: Irian Doesn't matter. First action with the char I do is coup de grace myself. Then again my DM wouldn't force me to use those stat. Ask your DM about rerolling.
Mist of Shadows 04-15-06, 03:57 AM	I would ask if I could steal some points from the 6 to put the 14 up higher. I would play a wizard with an eye to becoming a lich. Maybe a lich that worships vecna or something so I could use the book of the stilted tongue.
X-Codes 04-15-06, 04:01 AM	Doesn't matter. First action with the char I do is coup de grace myself. Then again my DM wouldn't force me to use those stat. Ask your DM about rerolling. Of course! If your DM says you can't coup de gras yourself, then do as such: Put the 6 in Constitution and the 14 in Charisma and be a half-elf Bard. Buy a coffin from an undertaker for no more than 30 gold. Run naked to the nearest Wizard's tower and buy 7 CL 1 Magic Missles from them (costs 70 gold). Thats an automatic 14 damage, even if they're all 1's. You are now dead, and since you are unwilling to be revived, you can't be. Reroll.
FiestFan 04-15-06, 07:07 AM	Githzerai Psychic Warrior STR 11 DEX 16 CON 12 INT 8 WIS 14 CHA 6 Flaw: Murky-eyed. Feats: PBShot, Psionic Shot, Improved Toughness. Focus on Ranged weapons and beg for LA buy-off.
Fugazi 04-15-06, 09:52 AM	Commoner, Skill Focus handle animal and perhaps basketweaving too. But I'd go for the druid ;)
Irian 04-15-06, 12:56 PM	Wow, I didn't expect that many replies. Thanks for all your help.
Aloïsius 04-15-06, 01:48 PM	If your DM does not let you re-roll, then just play the crappiest possible character. A paladin or a monk, by example. An aged one, with -6 in each physical stat.
Mist of Shadows 04-15-06, 02:04 PM	Ohhh an aged necro :) Con 1, Dex 4, Str 4, Int 17, Wis 14, cha 15, As soon as possible buy a scroll of polymorph other and get a different body. That's not a bad idea so the new body until you can become undead. Problem solved for the most part :)
Khazra Reborn 04-15-06, 03:50 PM	necropolitan monk. Stats: str 12 dex 11 con - (6) int 10 cha 10 wis 14 Created by a necropolitan wizard who sacraficed his + spell from necromancy school for enhanced undead (as per UA). They have the corpsecrafter, deadly chill, hardened flesh and nimble bones feats. Created in a desecrated area with an altar. This makes your character: human necropolitan monk1 stats: str 12+4(enhance)=16 dex 11+4(enhance)=15 con - int 10 wis 14 cha10 Feats: 1.sacred vow, vow of peace, [B]stunning fist Hp=1d12+6=18 (assuming max for 1st level rule) AC= 22 (10,+4NA,+2wis,+2dex,+2deflect,+2exalted ) attack=+3 melee damage=1d6+1d6(cold) non-lethal speed=40ft initiative=+4 should kick some ass :D
JosephKell 04-15-06, 03:53 PM	Just do a Raistlin type character. Low Strength, Low Constitution... I would focus on True Strike + Orb spells... The whole point being that you try not to attract any attention until JUST after you nuke a guy. Maybe do your best to max out Intimidate and Bluff... ("I'm not a threat..." super nuke a guy "Who else wants some?") Craft Wonderous Item is a must so that you can make attribute boost items. FYI: Raistlin had the worst stats ever, but he became the strongest character in Dragonlance (originally) because a player stuck with it.
Mist of Shadows 04-15-06, 04:31 PM	I like Raistlin, he took out a world :) I would go with the caster type of character. Go with my stats for aged steal a new body then have the necropolitan thing done :)
King_Bulba 04-15-06, 08:02 PM	Ohhh an aged necro :) Con 1, Dex 4, Str 4, Int 17, Wis 14, cha 15, As soon as possible buy a scroll of polymorph other and get a different body. That's not a bad idea so the new body until you can become undead. Problem solved for the most part :) I love it. 1 con LOL
Khazra Reborn 04-15-06, 08:56 PM	except when you get to high level and disintergreate spells....
Karm Hundredfists 04-15-06, 09:17 PM	Bat Small 1d8 +0 1 –4 +0 +0 +0 +6 –2 (2 + Int mod) × 4 +0 +1 Druid 5 20 (average) Anthropomorphic Bat is only a +1 ECL. Be venerable Makes your stats Str 3 Dex 3 Con 7 Wis 23 Int 14 Cha 15 Be a druid. Kick back and enjoy the physical stats of your choice of animal.