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Laelenie 01-20-04, 05:46 AM	ok let's put it simple: I was aiming to make somthing really asskikking using ur priest and mystic theurge, casting 9° level in divine as vell as in arcane spells, wile still aving a decent BAB and, maybe, at least 10% reduced soell failure... I was thinking about adding true necromancer 1, dragonslayer 1, spell sword 1 and (if elven) bladesinger 1 for keeping the bab at least 11+ to get 3 attacs in a full round action 3.0 splat books and 3.5 core and accessories material.. any help??? feat selection? fastest route to ur priest and other prestige classes in the build? (Monk 1 wiz 3 needs a feat to get bluff as a class skill to go UP at 5ą level) Equpment to maximize ac? mind i'm starting at level 6 or 7, so vivability after that levels matters a lot I know it sounds mad __________________ :angel::looloo:
Boondoggle 01-20-04, 06:08 AM	Hows about not starting two identical threads, mmm kay? Go here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=167878) for discussion.
Laelenie 01-20-04, 06:16 AM	new tread was an error, btw the munchking was too template intensive to fit my need...
Laelenie 01-20-04, 09:02 PM	ok ok i' got it!!!!!!!!! human: swahbucler wizard wizard wizard wizard ur priest ur priest mystic theurge mystic theurge dragonslayer spellsword mystic theurge mystic theurge mystic theurge mystic theurge mystic theurge mystic theurge mystic theurge mystic theurge wizard :D this guy casts as a wiz 17 AND divine 18-19 with 11 bab gets 3 attacs in a full round gets arcane failure reduced by 10% could use any martial weapon, any armor, any shield... even tower shield 11 fort, 19 will, 4 ref saves 5 generic feats And a bonus wiz one for better use fastest rote for ur priest wile still losing only one caster level in arcane.... is it correct??? :love:
snb1131 01-20-04, 09:44 PM	You could take a level of monk instead of swashbuckler and take the Two-Weapon Fighting feat...you'd still get your three attacks per round (albeit at a reduced rate, perhaps) and you'd get to add your WIS to your AC (which would be high, I would think, since you're casting divine spells)... Just a thought.
Wyvernius 01-21-04, 07:01 AM	He took Swashbuckler to fulfill de Bluff requirement for UP, i reckon
Battousai 01-21-04, 07:06 AM	Try to take a level of true necro , you spellcasting level for necro spells will be sky-high!
Laelenie 01-21-04, 07:31 AM	ehm... sounds like a friend of mine has posted with MY account... My bad, I didn't clear the cookie... I'M NOT RESPONSIBLE of WHAT THIS PERVERTED GUY IS WRITING WITH MY ACCOUNT!! he is outrageously MUNCHKIN ! PLEAAAAAASEEEE STOP NOW !
Laelenie 01-21-04, 07:40 AM	Wyvernius: u brillantly understood my point, and this way i gain also a nice +1 bab, Twf-tree is one of the avaibles with the 5 spare feats Battousai: I would love to take a level in true necro but I cannot find a way to get death domain...
Battousai 01-21-04, 07:43 AM	I don't have my books, but wouldn't the Palemaster allows you to qualify sooner? If so, you can take a level of cleric to gain the domain.
guarnasco 01-21-04, 07:46 AM	:D :D :D while beeing 2 perfect morons me and Laelenie shared the same account for a wile..... ok i 'll assume all responsability for my otrageous munkin build do not hate me i'm only human:devil:
guarnasco 01-21-04, 07:54 AM	Battousai: yup but I will also lose an arcane spellcasting level... Laelenie suggested me an obscure prestige of Faerunian origin but It will hurt my nice +11 bab, i could only change the second up level (by level 7) whith something tat gives bab +1 death domain and a + 1 divine caster level .... really uneasy :hoppingma
Battousai 01-21-04, 07:57 AM	Err , Master of Shrouds gives two of the three :D
guarnasco 01-21-04, 08:10 AM	nope acces to death domain is a prereq to became master of the srouds.....................saddly:sad: :sad: :sad:
DesolateCity 01-21-04, 08:39 AM	nope acces to death domain is a prereq to became master of the srouds.....................saddly actually, no, it isnt. if you read the rest of it, it says something to the effect of "having access to any spells in one of these domains counts as access to that domain for purpose of qualifying" and the answer to how many cleric spells are within those domains: enough to qualify. which is why master of shrouds is great, it gives you 3 free domains
Battousai 01-21-04, 02:02 PM	Something along the line of: Wizard 5/Pale master 1/Ur-Priest 2/Master of shrouds 1/True necro 1/MT 10. Your arcane casterlevel is 17. Your divine casterlevel is 20 I think: 12 spellcasting from UP, 8 from 1/2 your arcane caster level. But for necromantic spells, your spellcasting level is 37!
guarnasco 01-21-04, 04:59 PM	di anyone verified the bluff pereq. to go ur priest by 7° level? still searcing the best fit!!!:behold: bluff 6 by lev 6... (6+3)/2= 4.5.... by the way adding the last 2 levels of mystic theurge does not better my casting progression over the 10 levels as an ur priest: here we have the 2 levels to go true necro2!!! the new buid is: swahbucler wizard wizard wizard wizard ur priest master of shrouds mystic theurge mystic theurge dragonslayer spellsword true necromancer true necromancer mystic theurge mystic theurge mystic theurge mystic theurge mystic theurge mystic theurge wizard keeps my bab, gain extra turnig feat and casts arcane 17, divine 18/19 and any necromancy/death at 35/36! Still not sure about channelling negative energy does casting inflict wonds suffice???
Battousai 01-21-04, 05:02 PM	I don't think so, but UP 2 gives you rebuke undead , which is chanelling negative energy. For the bluff req. you can take cosmoplitan or versatile.
guarnasco 01-21-04, 06:04 PM	wizard 1 wizard 2 wizard 3 wizard 4 wizard 5 master of the shrouds 1 ur priest 1 ur priest 2 true necromancer 1 true necromancer 2 dragonslayer 1 spellsword 1 mystic theurge 1 mystic theurge 2 mystic theurge 3 mystic theurge 4 mystic theurge 5 mystic theurge 6 mystic theurge 7 wizard 6 :angel: I' REALLY ubermunkin :angel:
guarnasco 01-21-04, 06:15 PM	:sad: :sad: :sad: master of the shruds adds to CLERIC leves, not to divine spellcasting levels... (saddly any DM worth his salt will kik this monster butt whith tis quote)
DesolateCity 01-21-04, 07:04 PM	actually, if you read further along in the Spells description, it says it adds to any divine caster so very very poorly written...
guarnasco 01-21-04, 07:11 PM	this build will be good, wilie losing the nice 11 bab it gains a lot n term of spells per day wizard 1 wizard 2 wizard 3 wizard 4 wizard 5 ur priest 1 ur priest 2 master of the shrouds 1 true necromancer 1 true necromancer 2 dragonslayer 1 spellsword 1 mystic theurge 1 mystic theurge 2 mystic theurge 3 mystic theurge 4 mystic theurge 5 mystic theurge 6 mystic theurge 7 wizard 6 any help for the feat tree? any help to keep 11 bab while keeping the benefit of this build??
Eisgowen 01-21-04, 11:45 PM	Hmm doent the Ur-Priest have some severe down sides? Seem that if u r somehow "stealing" a gods given spells eventualy u would get crushed. How does this relate to game play mechanicly/for roleplaying purposes? also if ya didnt want to give up any casting lvl's therei s always Sorcer which gets Bluff as a class skill. Also if u r bent on wizard(which imo is superior) I believe there is a feat somewhere that give u any skill as a Class skill and even gives some sort of competence bonus to the skill. Cosmopalitan from teh Forgoten Realms guid is the feat i was speaking of
Eisgowen 01-21-04, 11:45 PM	double post!!!!
guarnasco 01-22-04, 03:55 AM	Eisgowen: yup! wizards ARE superior to sorceres roleplaywise this character will be a Glantrian... If U are familiar with Mystara, the Old D&d setting, Glantri is a country run by anticlerical wizards... This guy (LE, NE or CE): 1 as a student (wiz 1-5) is risen in a cultural rich city (cosmpolitan) 2 grow an intrest in the anticlerical movement, as far as learn to steal spells (Ur Priest1-2) given by the mystaran FALSE gods (the immortals) 3 enters in conctac with the necromancer secret society in Glantri City (master of the shrouds 1 and true necromancer 1-2) 4 joins the glantrian army first in the monster hunting parties (dragonslayer 1) then in the navy as a shock trooper (spellsword 1) 5 from that point he devenlops his arcane and divine casting and begins his political carrer (mystic theurge1-7 and wizard 6) this satisfies the background need? :invasion: ubermunchkiness need no explain....
Unearthly 01-22-04, 04:28 AM	If by background needs you mean excuses then yes...
guarnasco 01-22-04, 04:36 AM	welll minmaxing is a cool and cerative metod to invent new concepts for a charachter....
Laelenie 01-22-04, 05:59 AM	oh my gosh... And he thread carries my name ! Guarnasco Medium Humanoid (Evil) Age: Aeons Height: who cares weight: a lot Hair: a lot Occupation: absolutely nothing Qualification: degree in munchkinism, master in DM ABUSE. Hobby: Roll cheating, unaware account stealing Traits: Obsessive BBEG laughing, improved smoking, HD: maybe 3 or 4 Attacks: swallow whole Special abilities: Obfuscate, Enthrall SR: very very high... CR: a least 130 Description Lazy to the point of nonsense, this strange creature sometimes does not breathe 'cause it is too tiring. Definited normally as a simulative sensory being driven by obscure impulses and a perverted ars cogitandi. At first glance he may seem peaceful but nonetheless he is very dangerous. He stalks his prey calmly with his Obfuscate power and then swallows his prey whole killing it unless a fortitude save (700) is made. Occasionally can be bribed with bottles of wine or lavish dinners. Obfuscate(su): If he want he can look even serious. Don't trust him. Racial bonus +24 to bluff and disguise Enthrall(Ex): A creture with less than 6 HD who listen to the contort speech of Guarnasco falls enthralled and can't do anything as long as the Guarnasco speaks on. Quotes: "Funziona !" - (It works !) "Non č un problema ! - (It's not a problem) Guarnasco as characters Guarnasco is a special race tha was not intended to be played. his LA is way too high. In the insane case you want one of these critters in your gaming party consider the EPE value (Effective Player Equivalence) A guarnasco normally has around +3 or +4 EPE that means a party with 2 normal player and a Guarnasco is equal to a 6 member party. The admission of 2 guarnasco in the same gaming group is strongly discouraged and prohibited in several countries by the local and international law.
Funny Slaughter 01-22-04, 06:19 AM	Laelenie, great idea, i love this! just as a sidenote: if u r bent could you please write normal english? its hard to read this stuff, especially as a foreigner, and there are people over here with much worse english. as for the build: you re-invented the iconic ur-priest. eventually you would have had the same success with a good search-check ;) gs Funny
guarnasco 01-22-04, 06:25 AM	Funny Slaughter: Laelenie isnt even good at spelling his own name in is own tongue (italian)... i know the guy beacause he is (saddly) a friend of mine who,in this board, pretens to be a girl (Laelenie) to get some lenitence... He is an UGLY COMPUTER FREAK!!!! BTW. looking to the background, do U have any ideas for my feat selection? :heehee did i mentioned his best abit is to get drunk 7 days a week? normally before 5 P.M.
Funny Slaughter 01-22-04, 07:35 AM	with a build like this extend/persistant spell is a must due to the great offensive capabilities in necromancy feats like chain spell could be nice. counterspelling would be an interesting angle due to the wide variation of availabe spells, means improved and reactive counterspelling and a level of archmage if possible (thats again three feats, ouch) reach spell is always good for a divine caster, could also be supplied by a level of heirophant, but its eventually a bit long to wait until epic. i would take some crafting, again due to the wide selection of spells availabe, CWI in the lead of course. i do also like create infusion, kind of a better scribe scroll. i think in the end i would take feats as for an cleric of the angle you want to play, melee, archery, casting etc. gs Funny
Laelenie 01-22-04, 09:39 AM	funny you should read the entire thread before posting... This is not my build, but guarnasco's one, and so are the slang abbreviations you hate so much... And I never pretended to be a girl... simply I don't like posting each time I'm considered this way (a lot of times) The regular of the CO board remember one of my first post on this forum: my (cheerish) Snow Savant apology. and I wasn't ambigous on my gender. That actually does not matter, of course. And of course i'm drunk before 5 P.M. considered I start drinkin at 10 P.M. of the day before:behold:
Funny Slaughter 01-22-04, 10:33 AM	i know you like feeling as my favorite target Laelenie, but you got some good experience by time. i did not adress you, it was just a standard rant directed at those who fit. its sure fun if some friends steal your account and start posting strange stuff. but thats what the edit-function is for, hmm? i did read the whole thread and i think you would know the build quite well and dont feel the need to redevelop it. but i am sure there are quite a lot newbies over here who are very impressed now :) gs Funny
guarnasco 01-22-04, 11:29 AM	quoting Funny Slaughter : "did read the whole thread and i think you would know the build quite well and dont feel the need to redevelop it. but i am sure there are quite a lot newbies over here who are very impressed now " well... they better be, since this buid actually IS an improvement 'cause un get +11 Bab in the end giving u 3 attacs pre epic, get armored casting 10% reduction failure, and is generally less feat devouring than many others... wizard 1 wizard 2 wizard 3 wizard 4 wizard 5 master of the shrouds 1 ur priest 1 ur priest 2 pale master 1 true necromancer 1 true necromancer 2 dragonslayer 1 spellsword 1 mystic theurge 1 mystic theurge 2 mystic theurge 3 mystic theurge 4 mystic theurge 5 mystic theurge 6 mystic theurge 7 let' see u need cosmopolitan (1) Iron Will (1) malgn spell focus (3) (5)--------metamagic only dodge (6) (9) ---------- (12) ---------- (15) ---------- (18) ---------- DID U found any better around? on the top of that, the swich of nik with Laelenie wasent a my theft, it was him leavin his nik open on my computer... BTW i like the idea to take reach spell at 9 and than some metamagic on the route of empwer, maximize, quikering... lev 5 feat could go in create wonderous item i guess any ideas? :behold:
Laelenie 01-22-04, 11:35 AM	yeah... I did know the build, still, I really don't mind someone re-posting the same build over and over... maybe for someone, as you've said, this is the first contact with the overly munchkin ur-priest. Again this build tosses arcane spell failure and IIRC this has not been done till now... not much of an improvement, ok but still... So Funny, don't mind too much about Guarnasco being repetitive and enjoy... (with some degree he was of course, your comment were fully repetitive instead about his being repetitive :smirk: )
Battousai 01-22-04, 11:42 AM	I don't have all my books, but check if dragonslayer doesn't have any feat as a prerequiste. Quicken spell is a must, so is Improved initiative. Chain spell is cool too,as said by Funny. Look at the divine feats too, as you have chanelling. Finally, there are some great epic feats with Rebuke undead as a prerequiste, you might want to take the prerequiste feats for these late on the first 20 levels.
guarnasco 01-22-04, 11:43 AM	-morons repetitivey around-
guarnasco 01-22-04, 11:43 AM	dam duble post getting ripetitive the little buggers...:pile:
guarnasco 01-22-04, 12:01 PM	Originally posted by Battousai I don't have all my books, but check if dragonslayer doesn't have any feat as a prerequiste. Quicken spell is a must, so is Improved initiative. Chain spell is cool too,as said by Funny. Look at the divine feats too, as you have chanelling. Finally, there are some great epic feats with Rebuke undead as a prerequiste, you might want to take the prerequiste feats for these late on the first 20 levels. Dragonsyaer needs dodge and iron will Ur priest needs iron will and malgn spell focus an qualifies me as a negative energy channeller prereq for pale master master of the shrouds no feat prereq but garants death domain qualification for true necromancer that's only dodge that i planned to take at 6° level Chain spell is a must, since i could combine it with contingencies...