9th level Arcane and 9th level Divine [Archive] - Wizards Community

9th level Arcane and 9th level Divine [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Lo77o
09-30-04, 08:35 AM Wiz 4 / Human 3 / Thrall of Demogorgon 1 / Ur-Priest 2 / Mystic Theurge 10

What you need to make it work is ;

Fort +3 And Will +3 at level 8 and they are Fort +4 Will +7

Then you need Bluff 6 Knowledge Arcana 5 Knowledge the Planes 5 Knowledge Religion 8 Spellcraft 8

Now that shouldent be to hard to get when you think that the Human Paragon get 4+ Skills and he get to choose what his class skills is {max 10}

Then you need Iron Will, and Spell Focus Evil.

Not that hard when you think you have 7 feats before the first level of Ur-Priest {i know you need to use 2 of then to get into Thrall of Demogorgon, but that still leaves 5 feats}

Now to get onto Thrall you need 2 feats there, and skills in the same stuff as Ur-Priest {wohoo} and a BAB of +4 but thats ok, course u got all of that.

And Mystic is easy to get into, as you get all the stuff you need as you advance in the other classes.

So you end up with the following;

9th level Divine Spells at a caster level of 20 {as i see it you get 2 from Ur-Priest 10 from Mystic, and then you get half of your Wiz caster level added as well, so thats 17 devided by 2 = 8, and 12+8 is 20}

9th level Arcane Spells with a caster level of 17.

Saves would be; Fort +7 / Rex +5 / Will +17 {now this kinda hurts with that low saves need to find a way to boost those with lots and lots of magic, and guess what you have tons of it :) }

Now i just need some help figuring out if iv done any mistakes.

On a side note you can change Thrall of Demogorgon to Thrall of Orcus if you want, they both give what you need, and both takes up 2 feats.
Lo77o
09-30-04, 08:46 AM I just noticed that this has been done a million times before, so just ignore my post.

{i just thought i had a good idea... guess ill have to spend more time in here reading the difrent posts, so i can get a feel for whats done allready.}
Enoch Van Garret
09-30-04, 08:49 AM If it's any consolation, at least you managed to do it while avoiding Nar Demonbinder. One of the things that most people miss about ND is the fact that while, yes, they can cast 8th level spells in less than 10 levels, their spell list is pretty wimpy.
Lo77o
09-30-04, 08:52 AM Well this way you have access to all Wizard spells as normal, but you allso have access to all cleric spells Both Vile and Exhalted and enything in between.
RadicalTaoist
09-30-04, 09:50 AM Sorc (or Wiz) 10/Ur-Priest 2/ Mystic Theurge 8
You can swap out a level of Ur-Priest for a level of Contemplative if you so wish.
Lo77o
09-30-04, 10:02 AM So simple.... i feel so ashamed. :weep:
necrosnoop110
09-30-04, 10:46 AM If you want to redeem yourself find a way to be of Good alignment and get 9th level spells in both Arcane and Divine without the Nar Daemon Binder.
carnivore
09-30-04, 11:25 AM wiz 5/EK4/divine crusader2/MT 9 good aligned
9th divine, 9th arcane
Blade2718
09-30-04, 11:27 AM wiz 5/EK4/divine crusader2/MT 9 good aligned
9th divine, 9th arcaneOnly one domain though...
Lo77o
09-30-04, 11:28 AM Wizard 7 / Apostel of Peace 3 / MT 10
carnivore
09-30-04, 11:28 AM :D sorry its the best i can do in only 30 seconds
carnivore
09-30-04, 11:30 AM Lo77o :ayyyy!:
necrosnoop110
09-30-04, 11:39 AM wiz 5/EK4/divine crusader2/MT 9 good aligned
9th divine, 9th arcane
Very cool :cool:
necrosnoop110
09-30-04, 11:43 AM Wizard 7 / Apostel of Peace 3 / MT 10
This is cool but the AP is kinda lame with its Vow of Peace and all is there some other class that could sub in for AP?
necrosnoop110
09-30-04, 11:46 AM ***Puts foot in mouth***
carnivore
09-30-04, 11:51 AM wiz 5/EK5/divine crusader1/contemplative 1/MT 8

domains Luck(miracle),shadow(if you could come up with a deity that had these)

divine crusaders get thier first 9th lvl spl at 8th if they have a Wis 28
Lo77o
09-30-04, 12:02 PM I should know this, but what is EK
necrosnoop110
09-30-04, 12:03 PM Eldritch Knight (DMG)
Lo77o
09-30-04, 12:13 PM Ok, i think im missing something... if EK at level 6, with only 5 levels of wizard before that, how does he meet the requirements. He must be proficient with all martial weapons.

Or is it just me?
carnivore
09-30-04, 12:16 PM take the feat militia
Lo77o
09-30-04, 12:19 PM Any way to get it as a drow?
Blade2718
09-30-04, 12:22 PM EK is not race-restricted. Its in the SRD, if your interested (consult sig).
Lo77o
09-30-04, 12:26 PM i know, but im working on a nother build {to amaze the board} and i need to get in to EK, but im a drow. I allso need the first 5 levels to be Wizard. so im in a pickel. I could take a level of a matial class, but that gives me an XP penelty and i dont want that. So right now im looking in my books to find a prestige class a lvl 5 wizard can enter that gives martial weapons, and a +1 caster at 1st level.

Any help would be nice.
Blade2718
09-30-04, 12:28 PM The feat Militia lets you get martial weapons proficiencies. Not particularly applicable for you, but the Dragonslayer PrC does exactly what you're looking for, but has a steep BAB requirement (+5).
Lo77o
09-30-04, 12:30 PM BAB for a lvl 5 wiz is +2, so thats a no go, and drows cant take the militia feat.
Qaetar
09-30-04, 12:35 PM divine crusaders get thier first 9th lvl spl at 8th if they have a Wis 28

They get 0 * 9th level spells at level 9, not 8.

(Qaetar)
Lo77o
09-30-04, 12:41 PM Wiz 8 / Thrall of Orcus 1 / Ur-Priest 2 / Mystic Theurge 6 / Yathrinshee 3

17 levels of spellcasting to the Wizard and 18 for Ur-Priest, and in case of Necromatic Spells then its 35.

You just need to be a Caotic Evil Drow Female {i would use the lesser drow with no level adjustment}

And i know its only 140 HD of undead you can controle, and ill bet there is someone out there that can break 1000 or even 10000, but do they have both 9th lvl arcane and divine. {if yes, plz show me how}
RadicalTaoist
09-30-04, 01:35 PM Problem is reconciling Yathrinshee (servant of a particularly hostile and spiteful Drow goddess) and Ur-Priest (who steals divine power and mocks all deities). Some of us don't have such forgiving DMs.
Lakom
09-30-04, 02:05 PM And i know its only 140 HD of undead you can controle, and ill bet there is someone out there that can break 1000 or even 10000, but do they have both 9th lvl arcane and divine. {if yes, plz show me how}

Search for the Lord Shade's MT true necro build...IIRC it goes something like wiz5/pale master1 (+2fort)/ur priest2/MT7/contemplative1/true necro3

then IIRC laotching took the feat general of the undead or something similar and got hundreds of epic cohorts and followers
Lo77o
09-30-04, 02:30 PM I dont se any problem with stealing divine power from one god and use it to server another. As long as it helps advancing your personal power base.

But i could se how a DM might scream bloody murder.

Ohhh and Pale Master and True Necro, isent that 3.0? In witch case im not that keen on using it.
Lavis Knight
09-30-04, 02:32 PM Anyone know what book the feat militia is from ^^?
necrosnoop110
09-30-04, 02:33 PM Anyone know what book the feat militia is from ^^?
Player's Guide to Faerun
Lo77o
09-30-04, 04:51 PM Swashbuckler 1 / Wizard 4 / Ur-Priest 2 / Mystic Theurge 8 / Diabolist 5

Now that got that evil flawor im looking for, and best of all, its hands down the best from low to high levels if you want both 9th levels, and dont wanna suck while you get there.

Lets look at diffrent levels shall we.

Level 1. Well... ok you suck at spellcasting here.

Level 5. Only 1 level behind in the magic against a core wiz.

Level 10. Well, 3 levels behind the wiz, but you got level 5 cleric spells, and thats the same as the level 10 cleric in the party {who is rather surprised that you can cast the same spells as him, and allso fling fireballs}

Level 15. Every other spellcaster in the party just got access to 8th level spells. But wait, you had level 8 cleric spells at level 13, and now you got level 9 cleric spells, and level 6 Wiz spells. {Cleric is getting mad at you, but the wiz is still ahead in the arcane department}

Level 20. Now both the wizard and cleric in the group got 9th level spells, and so do you. {they dont seem that mad anymore, as atleast the to of them can do the same as you, so they just need to stick together. This is an evil party after all, and you have to watch out. But wait. Hell they decide to attack you as they are shure that there is nothing that you can do, that they cant do better, as long as they are 2. This is when you start casting Exalted spells, souch as Channel Celestial, and give them the surprise of a life time.

Even the fighter cant follow you at level 20, as you will have persistent spells up the wazoo, boosting your BAB to 20, and all kind of Divine spell cheese, + what ever you can do with your arcane spells as well.
Lakom
09-30-04, 05:09 PM I dont se any problem with stealing divine power from one god and use it to server another. As long as it helps advancing your personal power base.

But i could se how a DM might scream bloody murder.

the bonus domain can be granted by god or alignment so evil and death domain go hand in hand so I do think that should be ok by the RAW...when it comes to RAI as you pointed out the interpretation can go either way

the build was 3.0 (before CD came out)...the original was something like

wiz5/palemaster1/ur priest2/master of shrouds1(3.0)/MT8/true necro3

the new 3,5 MoS sucks and is now useless so the only remaing source for the death domain is contemplative...lets hope complete arcane will come out with some better PrC's.
handforged
10-01-04, 07:00 AM Wiz 5 does not qualify for EK even with Militia. However, Wiz 6 would fit into either build and is a good level anyways, since it provides +1 CL, +1 BAB, and +1 to all saves. While the extra level of EK does provide one extra hitpoint, it doesn't help on the saves like Wiz 6.

Wiz 6/EK 4/Divine Crusader 1/Contemplative 1/MT 8

Wiz 6/EK 3/Divine Crusader 2/MT 9

~hf
sparkster4242
10-01-04, 08:06 AM careful with that UP caster-level - it only gains the extra 1/2 boost from 'levels in other spellcasting classes', not just 'other caster-levels'. Your levels in Wizard would grant the boost, but your caster-level as a wizard would not.

pale master and true necro are being reprinted in Libris Mortis, i believe.
Snicker-Snack
10-01-04, 09:52 PM pale master and true necro are being reprinted in Libris Mortis, i believe.

Lets us hope so, and lets us hope that the PrC's are useful beyond level dips...
Lo77o
10-02-04, 06:30 AM I would like True NEcromancer to have 10 levels, and a uber abillitie at level 10, that you just cant miss out on if you wanna be an uber necro.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Lo77o 09-30-04, 08:35 AM	Wiz 4 / Human 3 / Thrall of Demogorgon 1 / Ur-Priest 2 / Mystic Theurge 10 What you need to make it work is ; Fort +3 And Will +3 at level 8 and they are Fort +4 Will +7 Then you need Bluff 6 Knowledge Arcana 5 Knowledge the Planes 5 Knowledge Religion 8 Spellcraft 8 Now that shouldent be to hard to get when you think that the Human Paragon get 4+ Skills and he get to choose what his class skills is {max 10} Then you need Iron Will, and Spell Focus Evil. Not that hard when you think you have 7 feats before the first level of Ur-Priest {i know you need to use 2 of then to get into Thrall of Demogorgon, but that still leaves 5 feats} Now to get onto Thrall you need 2 feats there, and skills in the same stuff as Ur-Priest {wohoo} and a BAB of +4 but thats ok, course u got all of that. And Mystic is easy to get into, as you get all the stuff you need as you advance in the other classes. So you end up with the following; 9th level Divine Spells at a caster level of 20 {as i see it you get 2 from Ur-Priest 10 from Mystic, and then you get half of your Wiz caster level added as well, so thats 17 devided by 2 = 8, and 12+8 is 20} 9th level Arcane Spells with a caster level of 17. Saves would be; Fort +7 / Rex +5 / Will +17 {now this kinda hurts with that low saves need to find a way to boost those with lots and lots of magic, and guess what you have tons of it :) } Now i just need some help figuring out if iv done any mistakes. On a side note you can change Thrall of Demogorgon to Thrall of Orcus if you want, they both give what you need, and both takes up 2 feats.
Lo77o 09-30-04, 08:46 AM	I just noticed that this has been done a million times before, so just ignore my post. {i just thought i had a good idea... guess ill have to spend more time in here reading the difrent posts, so i can get a feel for whats done allready.}
Enoch Van Garret 09-30-04, 08:49 AM	If it's any consolation, at least you managed to do it while avoiding Nar Demonbinder. One of the things that most people miss about ND is the fact that while, yes, they can cast 8th level spells in less than 10 levels, their spell list is pretty wimpy.
Lo77o 09-30-04, 08:52 AM	Well this way you have access to all Wizard spells as normal, but you allso have access to all cleric spells Both Vile and Exhalted and enything in between.
RadicalTaoist 09-30-04, 09:50 AM	Sorc (or Wiz) 10/Ur-Priest 2/ Mystic Theurge 8 You can swap out a level of Ur-Priest for a level of Contemplative if you so wish.
Lo77o 09-30-04, 10:02 AM	So simple.... i feel so ashamed. :weep:
necrosnoop110 09-30-04, 10:46 AM	If you want to redeem yourself find a way to be of Good alignment and get 9th level spells in both Arcane and Divine without the Nar Daemon Binder.
carnivore 09-30-04, 11:25 AM	wiz 5/EK4/divine crusader2/MT 9 good aligned 9th divine, 9th arcane
Blade2718 09-30-04, 11:27 AM	wiz 5/EK4/divine crusader2/MT 9 good aligned 9th divine, 9th arcaneOnly one domain though...
Lo77o 09-30-04, 11:28 AM	Wizard 7 / Apostel of Peace 3 / MT 10
carnivore 09-30-04, 11:28 AM	:D sorry its the best i can do in only 30 seconds
carnivore 09-30-04, 11:30 AM	Lo77o :ayyyy!:
necrosnoop110 09-30-04, 11:39 AM	wiz 5/EK4/divine crusader2/MT 9 good aligned 9th divine, 9th arcane Very cool :cool:
necrosnoop110 09-30-04, 11:43 AM	Wizard 7 / Apostel of Peace 3 / MT 10 This is cool but the AP is kinda lame with its Vow of Peace and all is there some other class that could sub in for AP?
necrosnoop110 09-30-04, 11:46 AM	*Puts foot in mouth*
carnivore 09-30-04, 11:51 AM	wiz 5/EK5/divine crusader1/contemplative 1/MT 8 domains Luck(miracle),shadow(if you could come up with a deity that had these) divine crusaders get thier first 9th lvl spl at 8th if they have a Wis 28
Lo77o 09-30-04, 12:02 PM	I should know this, but what is EK
necrosnoop110 09-30-04, 12:03 PM	Eldritch Knight (DMG)
Lo77o 09-30-04, 12:13 PM	Ok, i think im missing something... if EK at level 6, with only 5 levels of wizard before that, how does he meet the requirements. He must be proficient with all martial weapons. Or is it just me?
carnivore 09-30-04, 12:16 PM	take the feat militia
Lo77o 09-30-04, 12:19 PM	Any way to get it as a drow?
Blade2718 09-30-04, 12:22 PM	EK is not race-restricted. Its in the SRD, if your interested (consult sig).
Lo77o 09-30-04, 12:26 PM	i know, but im working on a nother build {to amaze the board} and i need to get in to EK, but im a drow. I allso need the first 5 levels to be Wizard. so im in a pickel. I could take a level of a matial class, but that gives me an XP penelty and i dont want that. So right now im looking in my books to find a prestige class a lvl 5 wizard can enter that gives martial weapons, and a +1 caster at 1st level. Any help would be nice.
Blade2718 09-30-04, 12:28 PM	The feat Militia lets you get martial weapons proficiencies. Not particularly applicable for you, but the Dragonslayer PrC does exactly what you're looking for, but has a steep BAB requirement (+5).
Lo77o 09-30-04, 12:30 PM	BAB for a lvl 5 wiz is +2, so thats a no go, and drows cant take the militia feat.
Qaetar 09-30-04, 12:35 PM	divine crusaders get thier first 9th lvl spl at 8th if they have a Wis 28 They get 0 * 9th level spells at level 9, not 8. (Qaetar)
Lo77o 09-30-04, 12:41 PM	Wiz 8 / Thrall of Orcus 1 / Ur-Priest 2 / Mystic Theurge 6 / Yathrinshee 3 17 levels of spellcasting to the Wizard and 18 for Ur-Priest, and in case of Necromatic Spells then its 35. You just need to be a Caotic Evil Drow Female {i would use the lesser drow with no level adjustment} And i know its only 140 HD of undead you can controle, and ill bet there is someone out there that can break 1000 or even 10000, but do they have both 9th lvl arcane and divine. {if yes, plz show me how}
RadicalTaoist 09-30-04, 01:35 PM	Problem is reconciling Yathrinshee (servant of a particularly hostile and spiteful Drow goddess) and Ur-Priest (who steals divine power and mocks all deities). Some of us don't have such forgiving DMs.
Lakom 09-30-04, 02:05 PM	And i know its only 140 HD of undead you can controle, and ill bet there is someone out there that can break 1000 or even 10000, but do they have both 9th lvl arcane and divine. {if yes, plz show me how} Search for the Lord Shade's MT true necro build...IIRC it goes something like wiz5/pale master1 (+2fort)/ur priest2/MT7/contemplative1/true necro3 then IIRC laotching took the feat general of the undead or something similar and got hundreds of epic cohorts and followers
Lo77o 09-30-04, 02:30 PM	I dont se any problem with stealing divine power from one god and use it to server another. As long as it helps advancing your personal power base. But i could se how a DM might scream bloody murder. Ohhh and Pale Master and True Necro, isent that 3.0? In witch case im not that keen on using it.
Lavis Knight 09-30-04, 02:32 PM	Anyone know what book the feat militia is from ^^?
necrosnoop110 09-30-04, 02:33 PM	Anyone know what book the feat militia is from ^^? Player's Guide to Faerun
Lo77o 09-30-04, 04:51 PM	Swashbuckler 1 / Wizard 4 / Ur-Priest 2 / Mystic Theurge 8 / Diabolist 5 Now that got that evil flawor im looking for, and best of all, its hands down the best from low to high levels if you want both 9th levels, and dont wanna suck while you get there. Lets look at diffrent levels shall we. Level 1. Well... ok you suck at spellcasting here. Level 5. Only 1 level behind in the magic against a core wiz. Level 10. Well, 3 levels behind the wiz, but you got level 5 cleric spells, and thats the same as the level 10 cleric in the party {who is rather surprised that you can cast the same spells as him, and allso fling fireballs} Level 15. Every other spellcaster in the party just got access to 8th level spells. But wait, you had level 8 cleric spells at level 13, and now you got level 9 cleric spells, and level 6 Wiz spells. {Cleric is getting mad at you, but the wiz is still ahead in the arcane department} Level 20. Now both the wizard and cleric in the group got 9th level spells, and so do you. {they dont seem that mad anymore, as atleast the to of them can do the same as you, so they just need to stick together. This is an evil party after all, and you have to watch out. But wait. Hell they decide to attack you as they are shure that there is nothing that you can do, that they cant do better, as long as they are 2. This is when you start casting Exalted spells, souch as Channel Celestial, and give them the surprise of a life time. Even the fighter cant follow you at level 20, as you will have persistent spells up the wazoo, boosting your BAB to 20, and all kind of Divine spell cheese, + what ever you can do with your arcane spells as well.
Lakom 09-30-04, 05:09 PM	I dont se any problem with stealing divine power from one god and use it to server another. As long as it helps advancing your personal power base. But i could se how a DM might scream bloody murder. the bonus domain can be granted by god or alignment so evil and death domain go hand in hand so I do think that should be ok by the RAW...when it comes to RAI as you pointed out the interpretation can go either way the build was 3.0 (before CD came out)...the original was something like wiz5/palemaster1/ur priest2/master of shrouds1(3.0)/MT8/true necro3 the new 3,5 MoS sucks and is now useless so the only remaing source for the death domain is contemplative...lets hope complete arcane will come out with some better PrC's.
handforged 10-01-04, 07:00 AM	Wiz 5 does not qualify for EK even with Militia. However, Wiz 6 would fit into either build and is a good level anyways, since it provides +1 CL, +1 BAB, and +1 to all saves. While the extra level of EK does provide one extra hitpoint, it doesn't help on the saves like Wiz 6. Wiz 6/EK 4/Divine Crusader 1/Contemplative 1/MT 8 Wiz 6/EK 3/Divine Crusader 2/MT 9 ~hf
sparkster4242 10-01-04, 08:06 AM	careful with that UP caster-level - it only gains the extra 1/2 boost from 'levels in other spellcasting classes', not just 'other caster-levels'. Your levels in Wizard would grant the boost, but your caster-level as a wizard would not. pale master and true necro are being reprinted in Libris Mortis, i believe.
Snicker-Snack 10-01-04, 09:52 PM	pale master and true necro are being reprinted in Libris Mortis, i believe. Lets us hope so, and lets us hope that the PrC's are useful beyond level dips...
Lo77o 10-02-04, 06:30 AM	I would like True NEcromancer to have 10 levels, and a uber abillitie at level 10, that you just cant miss out on if you wanna be an uber necro.