A build that can cast evey spell in the book [Archive] - Wizards Community

A build that can cast evey spell in the book [Archive] - Wizards Community

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The_Xtreme_Illithid
02-04-06, 10:42 AM The idea behind the build is to combind the mystic theurg and sublime chord to have the cleric, bard and wizard spell list (note: I know I am missing ranger, paly, and durid only spells).

Level 1-7: Get levels in bard and cleric untile you have 4 in bard and 3 in cleric. will also want to get the feats Skill Focus (perform), and Versatile Performer (CAdv), to boost your perform skill for later.

Level 8-10: Take levels in Mystic Theurg. you will have level 3 bard and cleric spells at level 10. I suggest now to take metamagic feats that are effcted by caster level, like maximize spell

Level 11-12: Sublime Chord. You gain the wizard spell list and the Songe of Arcane Power. This is were your perform feats help to raise your caster level

Level 13 on: Mystic Theurge will now increase your caster level in cleric and your new bard-wizard hybrid.

Alternitvely you can do the build with durid instead of cleric.

Any advice on how to improve the build is welcomed, Thank you
Thindelock
02-04-06, 10:49 AM Replace Cleric with Archivist from Heroes of Horror. He's a spellbook-user, like a wizard, but can put cleric or druid spells in the spellbook. This opens up the other major list for you, leaving out just a few pali-ranger spells.

If you replace Cleric with Druid, look at Arcane Heirophant from Races of the Wild, or maybe Folchluchan Lyrist from CompAdv (though Lyrist requires a 2-level rogue divert to get Evasion). They are more potent classes than Mystic Theurge generally, giving you other perks aside from the +1/+1 caster benefit.
Esponer
02-04-06, 11:22 AM Own a Tome of Ancient Lore – relic in Complete Divine which contains all spells. Might be useful to you. Archivist/Wizard is going to work a lot better.
Endarire
02-05-06, 02:28 AM Assuming you have at least 16 CHA, you will need 7 bard levels or 13 CHA and 8 bard levels to be able to cast L3 bard spells.

-EE
Lusden Veharo
02-05-06, 02:50 AM Actually, if a spell appears on any Divine list anywhere, an Archivist can scribe it into his spellbook. There's only a handful of spells not on a domain list somewhere, and those few can be obtained with a Thurge build.
IceFractal
02-05-06, 03:21 AM Its true, an Archivist/Sublime Chord would have every spell except arcane spells that aren't on the Wizard or Bard list - which are few and far between, although there may be a few Assassin-only ones. Now if there was only an Arcane Equivalent to the Archivist - it would be especially nice because of PrC spell lists like the Telflamer Shadowlord (Improved Invis as 2nd level spell), and the Demonologist (Greater Bestow Curse @ 3rd level).
colm_l
02-05-06, 04:47 AM Its true, an Archivist/Sublime Chord would have every spell except arcane spells that aren't on the Wizard or Bard list -

You don't need sublime Chord since there's a variant Divine Bard whose spells are accessible to the Archivist
Thindelock
02-06-06, 10:45 AM colm_l is right. If your DM allows Unearthed Arcana material, every Bard spell is available as a Divine spell. Thus, Wiz3/Archivist3/Mystic Theurge10 is the start of the build that will get you *almost* all of the spells. Find another dual-class thas that you like to cap off the last 4 levels. Along the way, grab a Tome of Ancient Lore relic and keep a regular spellbook (probably Boccob's Blessed Book) with you for those spells you know you'll want every day (so you don't suffer the 10% chance to miss finding the spell.

With this build, the only things you're missing are spells for special prestige classes, and the Wu Jen-only spells. If "in the book" you just mean the PH, then this build should cover you.
The_Xtreme_Illithid
02-07-06, 08:28 PM Here's a little up date. I may be useing this build in an upcomeing campain, but it's in Fearun.

The Unearthed Arcana is out, the Archivist is out, I think I can get Arcane Hierophant, maybe

The DM is only allowing stuff from the Core books, any Forgotten Realms book (it must be 3.5 though), the Complete _______ Books (the stuff form these books must have DM aprovel, but i'm very good at presonal dipomacy), He has never said any thing about the Races of ____ Books, those are up in the air.

I know a good deal about the all the above except Fearun. I know nothing about the feats and presclasses of the seetting. And take note the build can work will almost any race, aside form the ones with Charisma penalties.
Subedei
02-08-06, 05:36 AM There's already a build that can do this - it's called Artificer.
ThatOneMonk
02-08-06, 08:44 AM Read the thread a little more carefully, Subedei; it's stated several times that it will be in the Forgotten Realms... :rolleyes:

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
The_Xtreme_Illithid 02-04-06, 10:42 AM	The idea behind the build is to combind the mystic theurg and sublime chord to have the cleric, bard and wizard spell list (note: I know I am missing ranger, paly, and durid only spells). Level 1-7: Get levels in bard and cleric untile you have 4 in bard and 3 in cleric. will also want to get the feats Skill Focus (perform), and Versatile Performer (CAdv), to boost your perform skill for later. Level 8-10: Take levels in Mystic Theurg. you will have level 3 bard and cleric spells at level 10. I suggest now to take metamagic feats that are effcted by caster level, like maximize spell Level 11-12: Sublime Chord. You gain the wizard spell list and the Songe of Arcane Power. This is were your perform feats help to raise your caster level Level 13 on: Mystic Theurge will now increase your caster level in cleric and your new bard-wizard hybrid. Alternitvely you can do the build with durid instead of cleric. Any advice on how to improve the build is welcomed, Thank you
Thindelock 02-04-06, 10:49 AM	Replace Cleric with Archivist from Heroes of Horror. He's a spellbook-user, like a wizard, but can put cleric or druid spells in the spellbook. This opens up the other major list for you, leaving out just a few pali-ranger spells. If you replace Cleric with Druid, look at Arcane Heirophant from Races of the Wild, or maybe Folchluchan Lyrist from CompAdv (though Lyrist requires a 2-level rogue divert to get Evasion). They are more potent classes than Mystic Theurge generally, giving you other perks aside from the +1/+1 caster benefit.
Esponer 02-04-06, 11:22 AM	Own a Tome of Ancient Lore – relic in Complete Divine which contains all spells. Might be useful to you. Archivist/Wizard is going to work a lot better.
Endarire 02-05-06, 02:28 AM	Assuming you have at least 16 CHA, you will need 7 bard levels or 13 CHA and 8 bard levels to be able to cast L3 bard spells. -EE
Lusden Veharo 02-05-06, 02:50 AM	Actually, if a spell appears on any Divine list anywhere, an Archivist can scribe it into his spellbook. There's only a handful of spells not on a domain list somewhere, and those few can be obtained with a Thurge build.
IceFractal 02-05-06, 03:21 AM	Its true, an Archivist/Sublime Chord would have every spell except arcane spells that aren't on the Wizard or Bard list - which are few and far between, although there may be a few Assassin-only ones. Now if there was only an Arcane Equivalent to the Archivist - it would be especially nice because of PrC spell lists like the Telflamer Shadowlord (Improved Invis as 2nd level spell), and the Demonologist (Greater Bestow Curse @ 3rd level).
colm_l 02-05-06, 04:47 AM	Its true, an Archivist/Sublime Chord would have every spell except arcane spells that aren't on the Wizard or Bard list - You don't need sublime Chord since there's a variant Divine Bard whose spells are accessible to the Archivist
Thindelock 02-06-06, 10:45 AM	colm_l is right. If your DM allows Unearthed Arcana material, every Bard spell is available as a Divine spell. Thus, Wiz3/Archivist3/Mystic Theurge10 is the start of the build that will get you almost all of the spells. Find another dual-class thas that you like to cap off the last 4 levels. Along the way, grab a Tome of Ancient Lore relic and keep a regular spellbook (probably Boccob's Blessed Book) with you for those spells you know you'll want every day (so you don't suffer the 10% chance to miss finding the spell. With this build, the only things you're missing are spells for special prestige classes, and the Wu Jen-only spells. If "in the book" you just mean the PH, then this build should cover you.
The_Xtreme_Illithid 02-07-06, 08:28 PM	Here's a little up date. I may be useing this build in an upcomeing campain, but it's in Fearun. The Unearthed Arcana is out, the Archivist is out, I think I can get Arcane Hierophant, maybe The DM is only allowing stuff from the Core books, any Forgotten Realms book (it must be 3.5 though), the Complete _______ Books (the stuff form these books must have DM aprovel, but i'm very good at presonal dipomacy), He has never said any thing about the Races of ____ Books, those are up in the air. I know a good deal about the all the above except Fearun. I know nothing about the feats and presclasses of the seetting. And take note the build can work will almost any race, aside form the ones with Charisma penalties.
Subedei 02-08-06, 05:36 AM	There's already a build that can do this - it's called Artificer.
ThatOneMonk 02-08-06, 08:44 AM	Read the thread a little more carefully, Subedei; it's stated several times that it will be in the Forgotten Realms... :rolleyes: