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A challenge [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Book5
09-13-06, 08:07 PM I need a new character.

My two are not so great - you can find them in my sig.

I want one that will destroy all comers. I have some limitations I have to work in - I will leave you to review.
horndgod
09-13-06, 08:43 PM Read this first. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=64298)
PhaedrusXY
09-13-06, 09:20 PM And this. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=626244)
Book5
09-13-06, 09:26 PM did that, first already
challenge stands.
I will put the power in but what I want to do is win with the core rules in the COliseum . boom - go
Auldar
09-13-06, 09:31 PM did that, first already
challenge stands.
I will put the power in but what I want to do is win with the core rules in the COliseum . boom - go

If you read them, you'd know that you're going to get flamed for a) not providing ANY information, and b) expecting everyone to do all the work for you.
PhaedrusXY
09-13-06, 09:51 PM If I were going to go to the trouble of reading all those rules, deciding what I think the strongest character would be, and making it... why wouldn't I just post it there for myself? :P
PhoenixInferno
09-13-06, 10:05 PM Do not feed the trolls. Let's all move on, please.
Book5
09-13-06, 10:35 PM yum, and I am not a troll - Im a half troll.

I will "follow through" silly member. Just participate with me, and I'll keep talking.

Yes, PhaedrusXY, I am playing that kind of game it is that kind of challenge but I would also like to start a discussion - outside of the coco, about the coco.

And, me - (very bad at optimization, ref: my characters) would like a build recommended by the best "COPs" in the room. Perhaps I could have said "request" but as I did say - "Im a half troll" ;)
the_one_true_shea
09-13-06, 10:38 PM I mean seriously PheonixInferno - saying "don't feed the trolls" is trolling in and of itself.
"Brother!" hehe,
what do you take me/book5 for? A noob?
Brol_The_Mighty
09-14-06, 12:59 AM Regardless of saying this is a "request" or a "challenge" unless you do at least SOME of the work...you're not going to get anything from most of the people on these boards. Just coming in and asking for "a powerful build because mine suck" doesn't get you real far. The name of the game is making a build for yourself, and then asking for advice/critique.
the_one_true_shea
09-14-06, 09:39 AM Cmon, oh Mighty one!

I have two examples of a light-warrior - dex/wis strong (psi warrior, monk, mind blade) concept, and a Bard/Fighter w/weapon finesse. Now, sure, you could imrpove on one of those two builds, but really.

I figure you guys talk about this all day. You could probably offhandidly list off a half a dozen builds that really really rocked that you have seen lately.

Not every class is made for arena combat. Some builds are great support characters, but the coco is all one on one character class face offs, most fights lasting about 8-12 rounds if not less.

Furthermore - were only talking about the classes and PrCs in the core books.
Zuj
09-14-06, 03:27 PM Make a kobold barbarian.
bomaz
09-14-06, 03:37 PM you want pun-pun
Aegeu
09-14-06, 05:02 PM "Destroy all comers"?
No such thing. Any build short of Pun-Pun, the hulking hurler, or other such gods of optimization has a weakness. Heck, even Pun-Pun is looking shaky.
Anyway, let's see if I can flesh out your request more. You said that you had two "finesse" fighters available, and you wanted to keep the concept similar. I'd reccomend a Swashbuckler to start, with scout and ranger thrown in to make a fast-moving blender. Eventually add tempest/dervish. Ten-foot tumbles, spring attack, and dervish dance all will enhance your skirmishing.
jruball
09-14-06, 11:40 PM All you really need to do is to post the optimization constraints and it would be fine. We're not gonna look through the hundreds of pages of coliseum stuff so that we know exactly what you are looking for.

Anyway, 3 levels (or was it 4?) in very restricted classes is pretty tough to optimize. Dex fighter is generally just begging to die at early levels in PvP, it really is no match for a straight strength guy. You're best bet is to go with 1. An archer, 2. A charger or 3. A caster.

Narrow that down and then maybe we can help ya out.
jshinply
09-14-06, 11:57 PM I suggest either

http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=8543378&postcount=4

or

http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=8570529&postcount=31

These should be 1337!!!11
jameswilliamogle
09-15-06, 12:21 AM Make a kobold barbarian.with every feat taken as toughness. 'cause nothing beats rock. good ole rock...
the_one_true_shea
09-15-06, 02:17 PM OK, pertinant info

90% of battles will be against other core classes.

The majority of battles last 8-10 rounds (unless it turns into a shootout which can last 50-100 rounds sometimes).

Recently some of the UA (Alt Levels, Elemental Races Varients, Paragon, and Bloodlines) were added to the options (they are open source and available at the Dynamic SRD site (www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/home.html)) so thats something to consider.

I understand that "take all comers" is a little over the acceptable requests.. but thats what I am looking for.

Now, bob.. won;t work, and the soul seed thing wont work either (understandably that is a dissalowed spell, that and gate). What I am looking for is

A: Damage output quickly
B: I like quick characters - but I am not married to that idea.
C: Shawbuckler / Tempest - is not part of the SRD unfortunatly.

1. Arcane Archer
2. Arcane Trickster
3. Archmage
4. Assassin
5. Blackguard
6. Dragon Disciple
7. Duelist
8. Dwarven Defender
9. Eldritch Knight
10. Hierophant
11. Horizon Walker
12. Loremaster
13. Mystic Theurge
14. Shadowdancer
15. Thaumaturgist
and
Cerebremancer
Elocater
Psionic Fist
Slayer
Metamind
Psion Uncarnate
Pyrokineticist
Thrallherd
War Mind
are the prestige options I have
then again there is the starting level of 3.
the assumed max level of 15 (above 15 the levels lauges are frozen right now).

Now, Kobald Barbarian.. is that a serious suggestion? or another BOB?

Who is this Pun-Pun? Everyone referes to him... and I don't see an actual character. I mean I see alot of discussion of Pun Pun ... and I still have no clue what the hell "it" is.

Link? hmmm will Pun Pun Actually Qualify - do you need Any Ferune Powers/Ability/Items?
Zuj
09-15-06, 02:40 PM Why don't you at least make an effort to narrow down an idea/starting class, stats, and a few feats. I doubt anyone here will go out of their way to build you an entire character. Did you read the posting guidelines?
hogarth
09-15-06, 03:26 PM Book5, there should be plenty of inspiration for you in the "Characters of Gladius" (http://community.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=359951) thread. Just take a look at which gladiators have had successful records and use those as a starting point.

Some observations:
-Clerics with the Magic domain are popular. The two most popular types of wands in the Core Coliseum are the wand of Cure Light Wounds and the wand of Magic Missiles; just having those two wands at your disposal means that you'll be tough to stop at low levels.
-Having a light warhorse is popular. It's about the best CR1 creature that you can bring in; Small air elemental allies are the second most popular, it seems. [In the Core Coliseum, you can sometimes bring in an ally as long as its CR is no greater than min(ECL-4,1).]
-Kineticists can be good; the DC of Energy Missile scales up quite quickly and Control Body can be a very effective "save or die" spell vs. humanoid-shaped opponents.
-Druids are popular since they can bring in their animal companion; note that wild shape is _not_ very popular since it precludes the use of scrolls, potions, wands and other items.

Good luck designing your next gladiator!
Wayne Frobisher
09-17-06, 01:37 AM Cmon, oh Mighty one!

I have two examples of a light-warrior - dex/wis strong (psi warrior, monk, mind blade) concept, and a Bard/Fighter w/weapon finesse. Now, sure, you could imrpove on one of those two builds, but really.

I figure you guys talk about this all day. You could probably offhandidly list off a half a dozen builds that really really rocked that you have seen lately.

Not every class is made for arena combat. Some builds are great support characters, but the coco is all one on one character class face offs, most fights lasting about 8-12 rounds if not less.

Furthermore - were only talking about the classes and PrCs in the core books.
emphasis mine
http://boards1.wizards.com/leaving.php?destination=http://www.google.com/advanced_search%3Fhl%3Den
boards1.wizards.com in the Domain box
Book
09-17-06, 02:05 AM This thread is in the wrong forum. It needs to go here:

http://boards.wizards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=330

I flagged this thread for the Wiz_O to move it to the appropriate forum.

***

And no, the OP is not related to me, even though our forum names are similar. :D
WizO_Autumn
09-17-06, 12:24 PM I could see a case for the actual build belonging in either this board or the Op Challenge board, but I strongly recommend that the original poster repost the question with the guidelines already suggested here himself. There is so little information given, it is not worth it to move the thread. Instead, there will be more success if the OP draws up a skeleton at least of the character and makes a new thread.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Book5 09-13-06, 08:07 PM	I need a new character. My two are not so great - you can find them in my sig. I want one that will destroy all comers. I have some limitations I have to work in - I will leave you to review.
horndgod 09-13-06, 08:43 PM	Read this first. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=64298)
PhaedrusXY 09-13-06, 09:20 PM	And this. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=626244)
Book5 09-13-06, 09:26 PM	did that, first already challenge stands. I will put the power in but what I want to do is win with the core rules in the COliseum . boom - go
Auldar 09-13-06, 09:31 PM	did that, first already challenge stands. I will put the power in but what I want to do is win with the core rules in the COliseum . boom - go If you read them, you'd know that you're going to get flamed for a) not providing ANY information, and b) expecting everyone to do all the work for you.
PhaedrusXY 09-13-06, 09:51 PM	If I were going to go to the trouble of reading all those rules, deciding what I think the strongest character would be, and making it... why wouldn't I just post it there for myself? :P
PhoenixInferno 09-13-06, 10:05 PM	Do not feed the trolls. Let's all move on, please.
Book5 09-13-06, 10:35 PM	yum, and I am not a troll - Im a half troll. I will "follow through" silly member. Just participate with me, and I'll keep talking. Yes, PhaedrusXY, I am playing that kind of game it is that kind of challenge but I would also like to start a discussion - outside of the coco, about the coco. And, me - (very bad at optimization, ref: my characters) would like a build recommended by the best "COPs" in the room. Perhaps I could have said "request" but as I did say - "Im a half troll" ;)
the_one_true_shea 09-13-06, 10:38 PM	I mean seriously PheonixInferno - saying "don't feed the trolls" is trolling in and of itself. "Brother!" hehe, what do you take me/book5 for? A noob?
Brol_The_Mighty 09-14-06, 12:59 AM	Regardless of saying this is a "request" or a "challenge" unless you do at least SOME of the work...you're not going to get anything from most of the people on these boards. Just coming in and asking for "a powerful build because mine suck" doesn't get you real far. The name of the game is making a build for yourself, and then asking for advice/critique.
the_one_true_shea 09-14-06, 09:39 AM	Cmon, oh Mighty one! I have two examples of a light-warrior - dex/wis strong (psi warrior, monk, mind blade) concept, and a Bard/Fighter w/weapon finesse. Now, sure, you could imrpove on one of those two builds, but really. I figure you guys talk about this all day. You could probably offhandidly list off a half a dozen builds that really really rocked that you have seen lately. Not every class is made for arena combat. Some builds are great support characters, but the coco is all one on one character class face offs, most fights lasting about 8-12 rounds if not less. Furthermore - were only talking about the classes and PrCs in the core books.
Zuj 09-14-06, 03:27 PM	Make a kobold barbarian.
bomaz 09-14-06, 03:37 PM	you want pun-pun
Aegeu 09-14-06, 05:02 PM	"Destroy all comers"? No such thing. Any build short of Pun-Pun, the hulking hurler, or other such gods of optimization has a weakness. Heck, even Pun-Pun is looking shaky. Anyway, let's see if I can flesh out your request more. You said that you had two "finesse" fighters available, and you wanted to keep the concept similar. I'd reccomend a Swashbuckler to start, with scout and ranger thrown in to make a fast-moving blender. Eventually add tempest/dervish. Ten-foot tumbles, spring attack, and dervish dance all will enhance your skirmishing.
jruball 09-14-06, 11:40 PM	All you really need to do is to post the optimization constraints and it would be fine. We're not gonna look through the hundreds of pages of coliseum stuff so that we know exactly what you are looking for. Anyway, 3 levels (or was it 4?) in very restricted classes is pretty tough to optimize. Dex fighter is generally just begging to die at early levels in PvP, it really is no match for a straight strength guy. You're best bet is to go with 1. An archer, 2. A charger or 3. A caster. Narrow that down and then maybe we can help ya out.
jshinply 09-14-06, 11:57 PM	I suggest either http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=8543378&postcount=4 or http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=8570529&postcount=31 These should be 1337!!!11
jameswilliamogle 09-15-06, 12:21 AM	Make a kobold barbarian.with every feat taken as toughness. 'cause nothing beats rock. good ole rock...
the_one_true_shea 09-15-06, 02:17 PM	OK, pertinant info 90% of battles will be against other core classes. The majority of battles last 8-10 rounds (unless it turns into a shootout which can last 50-100 rounds sometimes). Recently some of the UA (Alt Levels, Elemental Races Varients, Paragon, and Bloodlines) were added to the options (they are open source and available at the Dynamic SRD site (www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/home.html)) so thats something to consider. I understand that "take all comers" is a little over the acceptable requests.. but thats what I am looking for. Now, bob.. won;t work, and the soul seed thing wont work either (understandably that is a dissalowed spell, that and gate). What I am looking for is A: Damage output quickly B: I like quick characters - but I am not married to that idea. C: Shawbuckler / Tempest - is not part of the SRD unfortunatly. 1. Arcane Archer 2. Arcane Trickster 3. Archmage 4. Assassin 5. Blackguard 6. Dragon Disciple 7. Duelist 8. Dwarven Defender 9. Eldritch Knight 10. Hierophant 11. Horizon Walker 12. Loremaster 13. Mystic Theurge 14. Shadowdancer 15. Thaumaturgist and Cerebremancer Elocater Psionic Fist Slayer Metamind Psion Uncarnate Pyrokineticist Thrallherd War Mind are the prestige options I have then again there is the starting level of 3. the assumed max level of 15 (above 15 the levels lauges are frozen right now). Now, Kobald Barbarian.. is that a serious suggestion? or another BOB? Who is this Pun-Pun? Everyone referes to him... and I don't see an actual character. I mean I see alot of discussion of Pun Pun ... and I still have no clue what the hell "it" is. Link? hmmm will Pun Pun Actually Qualify - do you need Any Ferune Powers/Ability/Items?
Zuj 09-15-06, 02:40 PM	Why don't you at least make an effort to narrow down an idea/starting class, stats, and a few feats. I doubt anyone here will go out of their way to build you an entire character. Did you read the posting guidelines?
hogarth 09-15-06, 03:26 PM	Book5, there should be plenty of inspiration for you in the "Characters of Gladius" (http://community.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=359951) thread. Just take a look at which gladiators have had successful records and use those as a starting point. Some observations: -Clerics with the Magic domain are popular. The two most popular types of wands in the Core Coliseum are the wand of Cure Light Wounds and the wand of Magic Missiles; just having those two wands at your disposal means that you'll be tough to stop at low levels. -Having a light warhorse is popular. It's about the best CR1 creature that you can bring in; Small air elemental allies are the second most popular, it seems. [In the Core Coliseum, you can sometimes bring in an ally as long as its CR is no greater than min(ECL-4,1).] -Kineticists can be good; the DC of Energy Missile scales up quite quickly and Control Body can be a very effective "save or die" spell vs. humanoid-shaped opponents. -Druids are popular since they can bring in their animal companion; note that wild shape is _not_ very popular since it precludes the use of scrolls, potions, wands and other items. Good luck designing your next gladiator!
Wayne Frobisher 09-17-06, 01:37 AM	Cmon, oh Mighty one! I have two examples of a light-warrior - dex/wis strong (psi warrior, monk, mind blade) concept, and a Bard/Fighter w/weapon finesse. Now, sure, you could imrpove on one of those two builds, but really. I figure you guys talk about this all day. You could probably offhandidly list off a half a dozen builds that really really rocked that you have seen lately. Not every class is made for arena combat. Some builds are great support characters, but the coco is all one on one character class face offs, most fights lasting about 8-12 rounds if not less. Furthermore - were only talking about the classes and PrCs in the core books. emphasis mine http://boards1.wizards.com/leaving.php?destination=http://www.google.com/advanced_search%3Fhl%3Den boards1.wizards.com in the Domain box
Book 09-17-06, 02:05 AM	This thread is in the wrong forum. It needs to go here: http://boards.wizards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=330 I flagged this thread for the Wiz_O to move it to the appropriate forum. *** And no, the OP is not related to me, even though our forum names are similar. :D
WizO_Autumn 09-17-06, 12:24 PM	I could see a case for the actual build belonging in either this board or the Op Challenge board, but I strongly recommend that the original poster repost the question with the guidelines already suggested here himself. There is so little information given, it is not worth it to move the thread. Instead, there will be more success if the OP draws up a skeleton at least of the character and makes a new thread.