A couple of rough CD Builds [Archive] - Wizards Community

A couple of rough CD Builds [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Caelic
05-20-04, 04:59 PM Just playing around with some odd concepts, and thought I'd ask for feedback. Both builds are pure 3.5 and use no campaign-specific material.

The first concept is a variant prestige paladin with the emphasis on fighting prowess rather than spellcasting.

1.Fighter 1: Weapon Focus, True Believer, Fighter Feat
2.Fighter 2: Mounted Combat
3.Fighter 3: Ride By Attack
4.Fighter 4: Fighter Feat
5.Fighter 5
6.Pious Templar 1: Mettle, Combat Casting
7.Fighter 6: Fighter Feat
8. Divine Crusader 1: Domain, Aura
9. Warpriest 1: Glory Domain, Rally, Turn Undead, Feat
10. Prestige Paladin 1: Detect Evil, Smite Evil, Turn Undead
11. Prestige Paladin 2: Divine Grace, Lay on Hands, mount
12. Prestige Paladin 3: Aura of Courage, Divine Health, Feat
13. Hospitaler 1: Bonus feat, lay on hands
14. Hospitaler 2
15. Hospitaler 3:Remove Disease 1/week, feat
16. Hospitaler 4
17. Hospitaler 5: Bonus feat
18. Hospitaler 6: Feat
19. Hospitaler 7: Remove Disease 2/week
20: Hospitaler 8

Final BAB: +19
Final Saves: Fort: +18 Ref: +5 Will: +9

PLUSSES: Casts as a Divine Crusader 9, netting 9th level spells in two domains. Divine Grace beefs up relatively weak Reflex and Will saves, and Mettle further enhances savability. Has a total of 6 bonus fighter feats to play with.

MINUSES: Only has access to two domains. Fighter feats are offset by heavy feat requirements (total net gain is only one feat.)
Stat-intensive (only dump stats are Int and Dex.)

So: any way to play to the strengths of the build? Sure, it's not as powerful as a carefully tweaked Clerical Prestige Paladin, but I like the idea of the Divine Crusader and wanted to do something fun with it. This is a fairly weak build as it stands, but with some polishing, I think it could have potential.
danielinthewolvesden
05-20-04, 05:35 PM Yes, one small thing is to get rid of Ftr levls 5&6 and change them in for the UA Bbn that loses Rage and gains favoured enemy.

You'd gain- more HP, More skills, higher move (if wearing Medium armour or less) and Uncanny Dodge. And, a favoured enemy such as Undead? You'd lose a feat.

Does Divine Crusader really give you 9th level spells?
Spiralix
05-20-04, 06:01 PM Reflex save = 5 = Ow. Even with divine grace, it's a base of +3 at 12th level. But that's just me.
Caelic
05-20-04, 06:21 PM Ehrm...I might be missing that variant. There's a Lawful Good barbarian in there? I only saw the totem variant last time I looked, but I admit I haven't gone over the variant classes that thoroughly.

Yes, the Reflex save does, indeed, blow mightily. I might actually sink a feat into improving it.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Caelic 05-20-04, 04:59 PM	Just playing around with some odd concepts, and thought I'd ask for feedback. Both builds are pure 3.5 and use no campaign-specific material. The first concept is a variant prestige paladin with the emphasis on fighting prowess rather than spellcasting. 1.Fighter 1: Weapon Focus, True Believer, Fighter Feat 2.Fighter 2: Mounted Combat 3.Fighter 3: Ride By Attack 4.Fighter 4: Fighter Feat 5.Fighter 5 6.Pious Templar 1: Mettle, Combat Casting 7.Fighter 6: Fighter Feat 8. Divine Crusader 1: Domain, Aura 9. Warpriest 1: Glory Domain, Rally, Turn Undead, Feat 10. Prestige Paladin 1: Detect Evil, Smite Evil, Turn Undead 11. Prestige Paladin 2: Divine Grace, Lay on Hands, mount 12. Prestige Paladin 3: Aura of Courage, Divine Health, Feat 13. Hospitaler 1: Bonus feat, lay on hands 14. Hospitaler 2 15. Hospitaler 3:Remove Disease 1/week, feat 16. Hospitaler 4 17. Hospitaler 5: Bonus feat 18. Hospitaler 6: Feat 19. Hospitaler 7: Remove Disease 2/week 20: Hospitaler 8 Final BAB: +19 Final Saves: Fort: +18 Ref: +5 Will: +9 PLUSSES: Casts as a Divine Crusader 9, netting 9th level spells in two domains. Divine Grace beefs up relatively weak Reflex and Will saves, and Mettle further enhances savability. Has a total of 6 bonus fighter feats to play with. MINUSES: Only has access to two domains. Fighter feats are offset by heavy feat requirements (total net gain is only one feat.) Stat-intensive (only dump stats are Int and Dex.) So: any way to play to the strengths of the build? Sure, it's not as powerful as a carefully tweaked Clerical Prestige Paladin, but I like the idea of the Divine Crusader and wanted to do something fun with it. This is a fairly weak build as it stands, but with some polishing, I think it could have potential.
danielinthewolvesden 05-20-04, 05:35 PM	Yes, one small thing is to get rid of Ftr levls 5&6 and change them in for the UA Bbn that loses Rage and gains favoured enemy. You'd gain- more HP, More skills, higher move (if wearing Medium armour or less) and Uncanny Dodge. And, a favoured enemy such as Undead? You'd lose a feat. Does Divine Crusader really give you 9th level spells?
Spiralix 05-20-04, 06:01 PM	Reflex save = 5 = Ow. Even with divine grace, it's a base of +3 at 12th level. But that's just me.
Caelic 05-20-04, 06:21 PM	Ehrm...I might be missing that variant. There's a Lawful Good barbarian in there? I only saw the totem variant last time I looked, but I admit I haven't gone over the variant classes that thoroughly. Yes, the Reflex save does, indeed, blow mightily. I might actually sink a feat into improving it.