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MechaboyDos
07-25-05, 09:48 PM Hello everyone, I've been fiddling around with some of the stuff from Complete Adventurer and I'd like your opinion on this build I've constructed.

Human
Lawful Good
Patron Deity: Rao
Ranger 6/Paladin 5/Monk 4/Tempest 5

Stats (32 Point Buy)

Str: 12+1 (Level Adjustment)
Dex: 16
Con: 14+2 (Level Adjustments)
Int: 10
Wis: 16+2 (Level Adjustments)
Cha: 8

BAB: +19

Base Saves

Fort: +13
Ref: +10
Will: +7

Feats

1. Ranger 1. Track (R), Dodge, Mobility (H).
2. Monk 1. Improved Unarmed Strike (M), Stunning Fist (M).
3. Monk 2. Ascetic Hunter, Snatch Arrows (M).
4. Ranger 2. Two-Weapon Fighting (R).
5. Ranger 3. Endurance (R).
6. Paladin 1. Serenity.
7. Paladin 2.
8. Paladin 3.
9. Paladin 4. Ascetic Knight.
10. Paladin 5.
11. Monk 3.
12. Ranger 4. Devoted Tracker.
13. Monk 4.
14. Ranger 5.
15. Ranger 6. Improved Two-Weapon Fighting (R), Spring Attack.
16. Tempest 1.
17. Tempest 2.
18. Tempest 3. Extra Smiting.
19. Tempest 4.
20. Tempest 5.

Special Abilities

First Favored Enemy: Humans
Second Favored Enemy: Evil Outsiders
Unarmed Strike as 15th level Monk
Stunning Fist 8/day, DC 24, +2 DC vs Humans, +1 DC vs Evil Outsiders
Smite Evil 4/day as 15th level Paladin
Wild Empathy as 11th level Ranger
Combined Animal Companion/Special Mount
Flurry of Blows as 4th level Monk
Evasion
Still Mind
Ki Strike (Magic)
Slow Fall 20 ft
+10 ft unarmored speed
Aura of Good
Detect Evil
Divine Grace
Lay on Hands as 5th level Paladin
Aura of Courage
Divine Health
Turn Undead 6/day as 2nd level Cleric
Tempest Defense +3
Ambidexterity (-2/+0)
Two-Weapon Versatility
Two-Weapon Spring Attack

Spells

Paladin Caster Level: 2
Ranger Caster Level: 3
Save DC: 14+Spell Level

Suggestions? Perhaps a different prestige class? Different feats? Also, what sort of equipment other than the obvious stat boosters and protective items? For weapon, I'm thinking Quarterstaff, but if anyone has a better suggestion I'm certainly open to it.
ninjarabbit
07-25-05, 09:53 PM You need power attack to qualify for divine might.

Interesting build though it suffers from some serious MAD.
MechaboyDos
07-25-05, 09:57 PM Ahh, thanks for pointing that out. And yes, the MAD is heavy, although it has some very nice abilities. The hope would be that I could roll better stats, but for now I'm using point buy to get an idea of what his stats would be and also because that's what I use in the games I play online.
Blade2718
07-26-05, 01:08 AM If you have access to Dragon, then you can take the feat Serenity, which bases all your Cha-dependent Paladin abilities on Wis.
MechaboyDos
07-26-05, 01:39 AM That would certainly help with the MAD. What issue of Dragon is that?

EDIT: Never mind, found it. Wow, that is nice. The only problem is that I had to drop Divine Might to fit it in. But then again, Smite Evil does a good deal more damage, so the Extra Smiting should be a good compensation. Many thanks for pointing out that Feat.
MechaboyDos
07-26-05, 05:26 PM Bump for any other suggestions.

I thought about perhaps Tattooed Monk, Beastmaster, or Halfling Outrider (changing race to Halfling for that one, of course) for this guy as alternates to Tempest. Tattooed Monk would give him equivalent 20th level Monk unarmed attacks and some nifty abilities from the tattooes. Beastmaster gives higher Animal Companion stats. Halfling Outrider gives higher Mount stats. I was thinking that something like a Large Wolf would make a really great combined Special Mount/Animal Companion. It's got the same hit dice as a Heavy Warhorse, and this guy is heavy on the nature stuff with Ranger levels and all the Ascetic/Devoted feats, so that shouldn't be too big of a stretch. Then you could ride your Wolf around and if you got into combat you could dismount and let him go to town.

Anybody else have any input?
MechaboyDos
07-28-05, 12:13 AM A change of name to hopefully attract the right kind of optimizers and one last, desperate, pleading bump.

Come on, people... SOMEBODY must have some ideas/suggestions/input.... Right?
OoX Sam I Am XoO
07-28-05, 12:22 AM You could go halfling, take one level of beast master to boost your companion level by 4, then go halfling outrider to advance both the companion and mount, which are the same via devoted tracker.
zetsumi hayaku
07-28-05, 12:22 AM Shou Disciple from Unapprochable East is an awesome class. Better Unarmed attacks, stacks with monk levels for damage and flurry, and its only 5 levels
MechaboyDos
07-29-05, 11:57 AM Dude, Shou Disciple is awesome. I can stack the levels for unarmed strikes AND I can use any weapon with a Flurry? And full base attack? That's just ridiculously good.

The Beastmaster/Halfling Outrider thing was also a great idea, but Feat crunch has defeated me; I'm one short once I remove Human, and I'm not allowed to use Flaws or anything like that. I could go Beastmaster 3/Halfling Outrider 2 though and remove Extra Smiting, that might work. Halfling Outrider wouldn't really give me any goodies until Epic though, which I doubt we'd be going to.

Great ideas, thanks a bunch.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
MechaboyDos 07-25-05, 09:48 PM	Hello everyone, I've been fiddling around with some of the stuff from Complete Adventurer and I'd like your opinion on this build I've constructed. Human Lawful Good Patron Deity: Rao Ranger 6/Paladin 5/Monk 4/Tempest 5 Stats (32 Point Buy) Str: 12+1 (Level Adjustment) Dex: 16 Con: 14+2 (Level Adjustments) Int: 10 Wis: 16+2 (Level Adjustments) Cha: 8 BAB: +19 Base Saves Fort: +13 Ref: +10 Will: +7 Feats 1. Ranger 1. Track (R), Dodge, Mobility (H). 2. Monk 1. Improved Unarmed Strike (M), Stunning Fist (M). 3. Monk 2. Ascetic Hunter, Snatch Arrows (M). 4. Ranger 2. Two-Weapon Fighting (R). 5. Ranger 3. Endurance (R). 6. Paladin 1. Serenity. 7. Paladin 2. 8. Paladin 3. 9. Paladin 4. Ascetic Knight. 10. Paladin 5. 11. Monk 3. 12. Ranger 4. Devoted Tracker. 13. Monk 4. 14. Ranger 5. 15. Ranger 6. Improved Two-Weapon Fighting (R), Spring Attack. 16. Tempest 1. 17. Tempest 2. 18. Tempest 3. Extra Smiting. 19. Tempest 4. 20. Tempest 5. Special Abilities First Favored Enemy: Humans Second Favored Enemy: Evil Outsiders Unarmed Strike as 15th level Monk Stunning Fist 8/day, DC 24, +2 DC vs Humans, +1 DC vs Evil Outsiders Smite Evil 4/day as 15th level Paladin Wild Empathy as 11th level Ranger Combined Animal Companion/Special Mount Flurry of Blows as 4th level Monk Evasion Still Mind Ki Strike (Magic) Slow Fall 20 ft +10 ft unarmored speed Aura of Good Detect Evil Divine Grace Lay on Hands as 5th level Paladin Aura of Courage Divine Health Turn Undead 6/day as 2nd level Cleric Tempest Defense +3 Ambidexterity (-2/+0) Two-Weapon Versatility Two-Weapon Spring Attack Spells Paladin Caster Level: 2 Ranger Caster Level: 3 Save DC: 14+Spell Level Suggestions? Perhaps a different prestige class? Different feats? Also, what sort of equipment other than the obvious stat boosters and protective items? For weapon, I'm thinking Quarterstaff, but if anyone has a better suggestion I'm certainly open to it.
ninjarabbit 07-25-05, 09:53 PM	You need power attack to qualify for divine might. Interesting build though it suffers from some serious MAD.
MechaboyDos 07-25-05, 09:57 PM	Ahh, thanks for pointing that out. And yes, the MAD is heavy, although it has some very nice abilities. The hope would be that I could roll better stats, but for now I'm using point buy to get an idea of what his stats would be and also because that's what I use in the games I play online.
Blade2718 07-26-05, 01:08 AM	If you have access to Dragon, then you can take the feat Serenity, which bases all your Cha-dependent Paladin abilities on Wis.
MechaboyDos 07-26-05, 01:39 AM	That would certainly help with the MAD. What issue of Dragon is that? EDIT: Never mind, found it. Wow, that is nice. The only problem is that I had to drop Divine Might to fit it in. But then again, Smite Evil does a good deal more damage, so the Extra Smiting should be a good compensation. Many thanks for pointing out that Feat.
MechaboyDos 07-26-05, 05:26 PM	Bump for any other suggestions. I thought about perhaps Tattooed Monk, Beastmaster, or Halfling Outrider (changing race to Halfling for that one, of course) for this guy as alternates to Tempest. Tattooed Monk would give him equivalent 20th level Monk unarmed attacks and some nifty abilities from the tattooes. Beastmaster gives higher Animal Companion stats. Halfling Outrider gives higher Mount stats. I was thinking that something like a Large Wolf would make a really great combined Special Mount/Animal Companion. It's got the same hit dice as a Heavy Warhorse, and this guy is heavy on the nature stuff with Ranger levels and all the Ascetic/Devoted feats, so that shouldn't be too big of a stretch. Then you could ride your Wolf around and if you got into combat you could dismount and let him go to town. Anybody else have any input?
MechaboyDos 07-28-05, 12:13 AM	A change of name to hopefully attract the right kind of optimizers and one last, desperate, pleading bump. Come on, people... SOMEBODY must have some ideas/suggestions/input.... Right?
OoX Sam I Am XoO 07-28-05, 12:22 AM	You could go halfling, take one level of beast master to boost your companion level by 4, then go halfling outrider to advance both the companion and mount, which are the same via devoted tracker.
zetsumi hayaku 07-28-05, 12:22 AM	Shou Disciple from Unapprochable East is an awesome class. Better Unarmed attacks, stacks with monk levels for damage and flurry, and its only 5 levels
MechaboyDos 07-29-05, 11:57 AM	Dude, Shou Disciple is awesome. I can stack the levels for unarmed strikes AND I can use any weapon with a Flurry? And full base attack? That's just ridiculously good. The Beastmaster/Halfling Outrider thing was also a great idea, but Feat crunch has defeated me; I'm one short once I remove Human, and I'm not allowed to use Flaws or anything like that. I could go Beastmaster 3/Halfling Outrider 2 though and remove Extra Smiting, that might work. Halfling Outrider wouldn't really give me any goodies until Epic though, which I doubt we'd be going to. Great ideas, thanks a bunch.