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klode_me 10-29-05, 11:35 AM	i need a great pixie build, no specific class needed. Thanks in advance. klode_me
Nifft 10-29-05, 11:53 AM	Pixie Rogue, any level. -- N
Kharmakazy 10-29-05, 11:53 AM	rogue. End of thread.
Arkonth 10-29-05, 12:59 PM	Actually, consider warlock. Your flight, spell-like abilites and size work really really well with the warlock's eldritch blast and other abilities.
carnivore 10-29-05, 02:39 PM	try this: Pixie(+4 LA) Rogue 3/ Scout 1/ Ninja 1/ Shadow Thief of Amm 1/ Pyrokineticist 10 By using movement and invisibility you get an Attack that should look like this: 2d6 Rogue 1d6 Scout(skirmish) 1d6 Ninja(sudden strike) 1d6 Shadow Thief 10d6 Pyrokineticist ............. 15d6 total..... and it is a Ranged Touch Attack, so having a low BAB wont be so Bad, you can increase this to 19d6 with greater Psionic Shot(+4d6) this is something that is an at will ability for the Pyro to do 10d6 every round, however it is only one attack. The other nice thing that Pyro has going for it is , an At Will save-or-Die attack. The first thing that may pop into peoples heads is ............... “what about creatures that are immune to fire?” Answer : you don’t have to make it fire damage.........it could just as easily be Acid,cold,electrical, Sound. There will be some creatures that have resistances, but few are actually Immune to elemental damages. another danger is creatures that can see invisible at will........then they will see a 10d6(14d6) bolt of energy comming at them or try this: Pixie Psion 6/ Pyrokineticist 10 thus anything that is resistant to the 10d6 fire bolt you can use, a 6d10+ mind thrust on or crystal shard,etc.............. you dont have to worry about running out of PP as most of your Pyro powers dont use PP, and Pixies already have some nice racial abilities. or maybe something like a Pixie PsiRogue 6/ Pyrokineticist 10 i could also quicken fire bolt and have 10d6+10d6+4d6(grt psi shot) +5d6(sneak attack)=29d6 or try this: Warlock 8/ Pyrokineticist 8 lots of AT WILL abilities , 2 types of ranged damage or even try this: Pixie Rogue 3/ Ninja 1/ Sor 1/ Pyrokineticist 8/ Arcane duelist 2 Wis + Cha to AC 2d6 Sneak Attack 1d6 Sudden Strike 8d6 fire bolt Much better AC...can also add Mage armor and shield spell from sor 11d6 total damage ranged touch SA good skills or try this: Pixie Druid 16 simple....but very effective, and easily playable hope they help :D
Part-Human2 10-29-05, 03:06 PM	Have you considered making your own build? It's not as hard as it seems.
klode_me 10-29-05, 04:10 PM	Have you considered making your own build? It's not as hard as it seems. yes, but i need a theme. BTW. A pixie warlock is very unique, because they are always neutral good. Maybe a blowgun build. or maybe archer build: Quiver of Anariel: Quivers of Anariel appear to be typical arrow containers capable of holding a score of arrows. However, the quivers automatically replenish themselves with standard or magical arrows, such that they are always full. Some quivers also create arrows made of special materials, such as adamantine, cold iron, or alchemical silver. Once an arrow it taken from the quiver, it must be used within 1 round or it vanishes. Moderate conjuration; CL 7th; Craft Wondrous Item, magic weapon, minor creation; Price 28,000 gp (standard arrows), 29,000 gp (masterwork arrows), 32,000 gp (+1 arrows), 44,000 gp (+2 arrows), 64,000 gp (+3 arrows), 92,000 gp (+4 arrows), 128,000 gp (+5 arrows); Add an additional +6,000 gp for adamantine arrows, +4,005 gp for cold iron arrows, or +200 gp for alchemical silver arrows; Weight 1 lb.
Kaslin 10-30-05, 12:20 AM	Pixie4(La)+6Warlock+10mindbender= A swift kick in the nuts. End result: Flat footed touch attacks on a stick. Kick anything without True seeng or see invisibility right in the nuts. Get eldrich spear for nice sniping capabilities. Worship Shar and pick up the shadow weave magic feat for your mindbender DC's, spell focuses, stupid high saves form charisma, party face, detect magic on a stick, and definatly pick up practiced spellcaster to advance warlock spellcasting while in mindbender a little faster. Your sneaky even without ranks, you can talk and charm your way out of any paper bag, or mearly blast your way out. Take full ranks in UMD and become spells on a stick via scrolls and wands. Fun, and playable at all levels of the build. Also you get to thrall anything size large or smaller with no HD restriction as long as it fails the will save. If the creature is of the Opposing alignment, slap a Helm of opposite alignment to stop it from making new saves when you force it to do things it's alignment would restrict it from.
Tweedledope 10-30-05, 01:12 AM	I think the key to a good Pixie build is to do the following: 1) Take advantage of the physical bonuses 2) Take advantage of the size 3) Focus on non-weapon damaging attacks (SA, Eldritch Blast, etc.) 4) Love those SLAs I find a very interesting combination for the Pixie is the Druid. Or, conversly, a Wildshaping Ranger 5/MoMF 10/Mindbender 1 I like that build quite a bit because of it's versatility...that and the fact that it's funny as hell to see a Pixie turn into a War Troll. Otherwise some of the earlier builds (mainly those that include Warlock) are very nice. -=TD=-
klode_me 10-30-05, 03:41 AM	I think the key to a good Pixie build is to do the following: 1) Take advantage of the physical bonuses 2) Take advantage of the size 3) Focus on non-weapon damaging attacks (SA, Eldritch Blast, etc.) 4) Love those SLAs I find a very interesting combination for the Pixie is the Druid. Or, conversly, a Wildshaping Ranger 5/MoMF 10/Mindbender 1 I like that build quite a bit because of it's versatility...that and the fact that it's funny as hell to see a Pixie turn into a War Troll. Otherwise some of the earlier builds (mainly those that include Warlock) are very nice. -=TD=- can it then still be greater invisible as a war troll? my weapon would be a greatbow, and then it should have the sizing ability. The artificer class is the one the pixie can draw lots of advantage from.
Kaslin 10-30-05, 07:07 AM	can it then still be greater invisible as a war troll? Correct me if I am wrong, but I am rather sure you do not lose supernatural abilities when you polymorph/wildshape. So yeah, you would be able to run around as a war troll (Cave troll is way better. Do it. DO IT!) while completly invisible and ripping apart the oposition while giggling like a little schoolgirl.
lostone 10-30-05, 09:51 AM	Pixie(+4 LA) Rogue 3/ Scout 1/ Ninja 1/ Shadow Thief of Amm 1/ Pyrokineticist 10 another danger is creatures that can see invisible at will........then they will see a 10d6(14d6) bolt of energy comming at them Let me get this straight. The bolt of energy is invisible unless they can see invisibility?? :eek:
SoulGamit 10-30-05, 12:18 PM	and definatly pick up practiced spellcaster to advance warlock spellcasting while in mindbender a little faster Wait a sec... increasing your caster level gets you more invoctions and a more powerful eldritch blast?! Are you sure?
lostone 10-30-05, 12:53 PM	Wait a sec... increasing your caster level gets you more invoctions and a more powerful eldritch blast?! Are you sure?That's a tricky subject with the way the Warlock is written. It is going to come down to how your DM wants to run it. Some will allow eldritch damage to go up, as well as the number of invocations, but now the power of invocations (meaning you wouldn't get Dark invocations unless you stuck with straight Warlock long enough). The reasoning on it is that being granted a new level in invocations such as Dark is a class ability the way it is listed in the class table. It could also be argued the same with the Eldritch Blast.
SoulGamit 10-30-05, 12:55 PM	Well, that would make green star adept a great PrC for warlocks if it does, since it adds 15 caster levels in 10 levels. Well, actually judging from the example given, it would actually only be 10 caster levels. Either way, still a great PrC for the warlock.
klode_me 10-30-05, 01:00 PM	i want to remind you all that i'm starting at 6th level. soo: thinking about a pixie archer thing or one of shadowfoot' warlock variants or ghost master of the unseen hand or just something without LA. caster thing. The ghost solve a lot of problems, because then i don't need to be scared of death.
lostone 10-30-05, 01:01 PM	I can't remember if there was an official errata/clarification on how it works, or maybe the Sage (if your DM sets stock by him, I don't), or even the FAQ. Check them out and see. Speaking of which, is there an online archive of the Sage Advice articles from Dragon magazines?
SoulGamit 10-30-05, 01:10 PM	If you want a pixie archer, I'd advise looking here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=183604) for some nice archer builds. Really I'd make it a bard archer and get bow of songs so you get charisma to hit and damage. If you can, have your DM deconstruct it so you can add different enhancements A ghost MotUH isn't as strong as you might think, unless you get to add a bunch of custom feats. The main reason is, no chain spell metamagic.
klode_me 10-30-05, 01:19 PM	If you want a pixie archer, I'd advise looking here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=183604) for some nice archer builds. Really I'd make it a bard archer and get bow of songs so you get charisma to hit and damage. If you can, have your DM deconstruct it so you can add different enhancements A ghost MotUH isn't as strong as you might think, unless you get to add a bunch of custom feats. The main reason is, no chain spell metamagic. where is the bow of songs? the ghost is out, too much LA.
aod318 10-30-05, 01:20 PM	How about Rogue 1 / Sorcerer 3 / Monk 1 / Sorcerer 3 / Guild Thief 1 / Monk 1 / Arcane Trickster 10. With +6 Int, you can make Wis a dump stat and pickup Kung-fu Genius. Don't forget to pick up Arcane Strike.
klode_me 10-30-05, 01:22 PM	How about Rogue 1 / Sorcerer 3 / Monk 1 / Sorcerer 3 / Guild Thief 1 / Monk 1 / Arcane Trickster 10. With +6 Int, you can make Wis a dump stat and pickup Kung-fu Genius. Don't forget to pick up Arcane Strike. kung-fu genius?
SoulGamit 10-30-05, 03:29 PM	kung-fu genious is a feat from dragon, I don't know which #. Bow of songs is in complete adventurer. If you decide to go the mindbender rout, don't forget your Feral Mineral Warrior Anthropomorphic Baleen Whale named Fred thrall, a must for any onterage ;)
Sphendule 10-30-05, 03:40 PM	I can't remember if there was an official errata/clarification on how it works, or maybe the Sage (if your DM sets stock by him, I don't), or even the FAQ. Check them out and see. Speaking of which, is there an online archive of the Sage Advice articles from Dragon magazines? Here's a direct quote from CA: Warlocks and Prestige Classes Warlocks benefit in a specific way from prestige classes that have "+1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class" or "+1 level of existing spellcasting class" as a level advancement benefit. A warlock taking levels in such a prestige class does not gain any of his class abilities, but he does gain an increased caster level when using his invocations and increaded damage with his eldritch blast. *clip* A warlock also gains new invocations known at these prestige class levels as though he had gained a level in the warlock class. The way I see it, your caster level goes up, your eldritch blast damage goes up, and you gain invocations. I looked at the section on invocations, and it says that you gain at levels specified on the chart for the warlock access to new levels of invocations (least, lesser, greater, dark). Thus, you benefit in the same way as a normal caster would if they enter a PrC that has "+1 level of existing spellcasting class" as a level advancement benefit, and then some because your eldritch blast also goes up in damage.
nihility 10-30-05, 05:57 PM	The way I see it, your caster level goes up, your eldritch blast damage goes up, and you gain invocations. I believe you are incorrect if you were referring to Practiced Spellcaster. The only benefit gained by Practiced Spellcaster is an increased caster level; new spells and additional spells per day are not gained. Given that this is the case for normal casters, I cannot see why the warlock would gain additional invocations or blast damage. Taking levels in a PrC that advances arcane spellcasting, on the other hand, certainly does provide additional blast damage and invocations.
aod318 10-30-05, 11:25 PM	Kung-fu genius replaces a Monk’s Wis with Int for all purposes, Dragon Issue # 319. Lowers your overall Will save, but gives more skill points. I went with Monk just for Evasion and good saves. With an 18 Int +6 = 24 at 1st level, might be worth mixing in swashbuckler.
klode_me 10-31-05, 12:55 AM	Kung-fu genius replaces a Monk’s Wis with Int for all purposes, Dragon Issue # 319. Lowers your overall Will save, but gives more skill points. I went with Monk just for Evasion and good saves. With an 18 Int +6 = 24 at 1st level, might be worth mixing in swashbuckler. is a pixie monk really that cool? BTW. Is dragon issue the same as dragon magazine?
SoulGamit 10-31-05, 01:39 AM	Throw 1 or 2 levels of monk on top of a bard archer and it's pretty good, so you get cha to AC. Also, you should use the SS propgression for Pixie, you'll get Otto's dance for the measly price of one fey HD. LA 4 / Fey 1 / Monk 1 / ranger 2 / Bard 4 and then some combination of deepwood sniper and peerless archer would probably be best. If there's a full BAB class that offers sneak attack (I think there are a few in complete warrior) you might want to consider getting 1d6 sneak attack die and get the craven feat + improved multishot, especially if you can use ECL instead of level for the craven. Also, ask about LA Buyoff, that's a must for combat builds IMO, so you can get 16 BAB. If you can use LA buyoff though, I wouldn't use the level progression in SS.
Nifft 10-31-05, 07:43 AM	Throw 1 or 2 levels of monk on top of a bard archer and ... you have an alignment conflict. Also, where exactly do you get "1 fey" HD? Do you understand how monster HD work for Pixies? Rogues get everthing useful that Monks get. Don't waste 3 levels and a feat to get Charisma to AC -- there are easier ways. -- N
lostone 10-31-05, 07:50 AM	BTW. Is dragon issue the same as dragon magazine?They mean Dragon Magazine (Issue #319).
SoulGamit 10-31-05, 12:38 PM	about the alignment conflict, I forgot about that... although it's very possible to work into history and just say you were born into a monestary and then escaped to be a bard. Also, where exactly do you get "1 fey" HD? Do you understand how monster HD work for Pixies? I was talking about the Pixie class from savage species. Rogues get everthing useful that Monks get. Don't waste 3 levels and a feat to get Charisma to AC -- there are easier ways. 3 levels?
aod318 10-31-05, 06:47 PM	Baring a desired plot line, SA requirement or alignment issue, I would always take monk over rogue. All good saves, never unarmed and with OA Monk your pick up just about any feat first and second level. Still get evasion and are never unarmed. Stunning fist and flurry of blows. What do you lose, a few skill points. Pixies are +6 Int, not a problem. Light armor? With a +8 Dex and +4 Wis, no thanks.
Nifft 10-31-05, 10:32 PM	about the alignment conflict, I forgot about that... although it's very possible to work into history and just say you were born into a monestary and then escaped to be a bard. Sure, and it's very possible to work in a back story about how you have an artifact ring which makes you invulnerable to monsters. Both are outside the rules. I was talking about the Pixie class from savage species. You might want to look up how that works in 3.5e. I would always take monk over rogue Thing is, a Pixie has fantastic Sneak Attack opportunities, thanks to being naturally invisible. Rapid Shot and an itsy-bitsy bow are your best damage dealing options. That's why Rogue is such an obvious choice for Pixies. -- N
OnCider 11-01-05, 04:59 AM	Also, ask about LA Buyoff, that's a must for combat builds IMO, so you can get 16 BAB. I think LA buy-off is pretty pointless for anything above +2 LA. You'll never "catch-up". At 12th level (ECL16) it will cost you 15000 to buy-off one level of LA. Even with subsequent buy-offs reducing this costs (which can't be taken until 21st level), you're still talking a long time before its worthwhile. Even with a +2 LA, this only pays off at 15th level: At 6th level (ECL 8), pay 7000 to reduce to +1 LA. At 9th level (ECL 10), pay 9000 to reduce to +0 LA. At 7th level you'd be 5000 xp behind. 8th -4000 9th -11000 10th -9000 11th -7000 12th -5000 13th -3000 14th -1000 15th +1000 (this is where the buy-back pays off) For a +4 LA the payoff is 46th level...!
OnCider 11-01-05, 07:29 AM	Actually, after working this out properly with a spreadsheet, the break-even point for LA buy-off is: +1LA = 5th level +2LA = between 14th and 15th level +3LA = 28th level +4LA = between 45th and 46th level +5LA = 67th level hence the formula is: -0.5 + sigma{n=1 to LA}(4n+1.5) where LA >= 1 I think I have just transcended geekiness...
SoulGamit 11-01-05, 09:45 AM	Don't fear it, OnCider, embrace the almighty chicken head of awsomeness Oh, you did account for the fact that you'll get more exp then your allies from encounters because your a lower ECL, right? Sure, and it's very possible to work in a back story about how you have an artifact ring which makes you invulnerable to monsters. Both are outside the rules. To make you happy, "LA 4 / Ex-Monk 1 / Ranger 2 / Bard 4 / Deepwood Sniper 2 / Peerless Archer 7" There, now I'm suggesting Ex-Monk instead of Monk so it's RAW, forgive my transgressions. Oh, and try to cover up your alignment shift by having more of them, like from neutral to good or something. And include as many plot hooks as possible. Peerless archer grants sneak attack if I remember correctly, btw, so you don't need rogue. Also, +1d6 damage means little against +4 or more AC, especially AC that's stackable with armor bonuses from things like mage armor. Craven only works on slashing weapons so it's not an option, if memory serves. Feel free to trade in about 3 levels of peerless archer for deepwood sniper if you're so inclined. You might want to look up how that works in 3.5e. SS was never updated to 3.5 and I don't believe the monster class(s) were ever updated either. I assumed monster classes weren't actual HD and thus the 1HD wasn't removed.
OnCider 11-02-05, 04:01 AM	Oh, you did account for the fact that you'll get more exp then your allies from encounters because your a lower ECL, right? :weep:
Illithid13 11-02-05, 01:58 PM	I think LA buy-off is pretty pointless for anything above +2 LA. You'll never "catch-up". At 12th level (ECL16) it will cost you 15000 to buy-off one level of LA. Even with subsequent buy-offs reducing this costs (which can't be taken until 21st level), you're still talking a long time before its worthwhile. Even with a +2 LA, this only pays off at 15th level: At 6th level (ECL 8), pay 7000 to reduce to +1 LA. At 9th level (ECL 10), pay 9000 to reduce to +0 LA. At 7th level you'd be 5000 xp behind. 8th -4000 9th -11000 10th -9000 11th -7000 12th -5000 13th -3000 14th -1000 15th +1000 (this is where the buy-back pays off) For a +4 LA the payoff is 46th level...! Normaly I'd let the math do the talking for me, but Pixi is the one situation that I'd ever consider taking a LA of anything over 2, usually I stick to one.
Fwib 11-02-05, 03:17 PM	BTW. A pixie warlock is very unique, because they are always neutral good.'or rare exception' according to the MM glossary (p305), and PCs are virtually always rare exceptions :)
Kaslin 11-02-05, 04:01 PM	That's a tricky subject with the way the Warlock is written. It is going to come down to how your DM wants to run it. Some will allow eldritch damage to go up, as well as the number of invocations, but now the power of invocations (meaning you wouldn't get Dark invocations unless you stuck with straight Warlock long enough). The reasoning on it is that being granted a new level in invocations such as Dark is a class ability the way it is listed in the class table. It could also be argued the same with the Eldritch Blast. Not tricky at all. Page 18 in Complete Arcane states: "Warlocks benefit in a specific way from prestige classes that have "+1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class" or "+1 level of existing spellcasting class" as a level advancement benefit. A warlock taking levels in such a prestige class does not gain any of his class abilities but he does gain an increased caster level when using his invocations and increased damage with his eldrich blast." It goes on for a little bit more, but it clearly states that Eldrich blast damage does go higher with a bonus to arcane spellcasting. You also gain new invocations known at these perstige class levels as though you had gained a level in the Warlock class. Wait... Nobody noticed this? At all?
roelke 11-02-05, 04:13 PM	A build one of my player's is using at this time: pixie(+4la) /rogue 5/ slayer of domiel* 10/ rogue1 *you only have to take two levels, but as a DM i didn't allow my player to just dip in this class. The second class gives this rogue divine grace which is a real bonus for the pixie currently at level 18; having these saves: fort +23, ref +37, will +20. only strange part is that you have to be lawfull good :confused:.
lostone 11-03-05, 08:45 AM	Not tricky at all. Page 18 in Complete Arcane states: "Warlocks benefit in a specific way from prestige classes that have "+1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class" or "+1 level of existing spellcasting class" as a level advancement benefit. A warlock taking levels in such a prestige class does not gain any of his class abilities but he does gain an increased caster level when using his invocations and increased damage with his eldrich blast." It goes on for a little bit more, but it clearly states that Eldrich blast damage does go higher with a bonus to arcane spellcasting. You also gain new invocations known at these perstige class levels as though you had gained a level in the Warlock class. It has been noticed, however when CA first came out there was some argument on the boards about whether that included access to the higher tiers of Invocations (I think it ended in an "agree to disagree" decision). Since the different categories of Invocations (Least, lesser, great, dark) are listed as class abilities they might be considered seperate from the invocations. The table is what caused the confusion. I personally agree with you, but have had a DM rule the other way. It is open to some rules interpretation depending on how picky the DM wants to get.
OnCider 11-04-05, 03:15 AM	Normaly I'd let the math do the talking for me, but Pixi is the one situation that I'd ever consider taking a LA of anything over 2, usually I stick to one. I'm not dissing LA builds - just advising not to bother with buying back levels if the LA is above 2. I've played a pixie rogue (died when it was eventually hit!) - when the greater invisibility kicks in it's sneak-attack-city. I'm now playing a werebear warshaper (a bit more sturdy)...