A level 40 gestalt to mess with [Archive] - Wizards Community

A level 40 gestalt to mess with [Archive] - Wizards Community

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MattD121
10-12-04, 08:01 PM Hes the two most hated classes, fighter and sorceror based, with maxed archmage, dragon disciple, master alchemist (interesting class that lets you make almost any spell into a potion, all you need to know is he can brew 5 spells per day up to 9th level), War wizard... and I beleive thats it. Do what you will with that the stats currently are

20
12
26
20
20
84

Lets see if you can make a better character than me with that :) I bet anything you cant. Gp limit is the norm for level 40's starting anew (I beleive thats 18 million some.) Ill post my version of the character sometime in the next hour, it takes forever to type all that crap :)
MattD121
10-12-04, 08:30 PM Name: Kale
Class: 10 sorc-Dragon Disciple/ 15 sorc-fighter/5fighter-war wizard/10 Master alchemist-fighter
Alignment: N
Level: 40, gestalt
Deity: Formerly Kossov (fae'run destroyed), himself until further notice (Hes an arrogant guy)
Size: L (Dragon disciple)
Age: 148 (I know, young, if I could I'd make him older.)
Gender: M
Weight: 250 (lithe guy)
Race: Moon elf/Silver Dragon
Height: 9'
Eyes: Flame
Hair: White
Skin: Pale, silver scales

Str 20
Dex 26 (34 with items)
Con 12
Int 20
Wis 20
Cha 84 (100 with spells, DM put a cap on stats :mad: )

Hp: 340
AC: 98 (178) (dex 12, amulet 10, bracers 12, natural armor 12, 40 from a ring, dont ask, 12 from something im forgetting and the 178 is if I've buffed myself today or yesterday, normally I would use that on the tanks though.)
Initiative: 16
Bast attack: 20/15/10/5
Saves
Fort: 13
Reflex: 13
Will: 17

Weapons: Claws (not a big weapon kind of guy)
Armor/Protective item: Bracers or epic armor +12. amulet of epic natural armor +10, Ring of epic protection +30 (dont ask).

Skills dont really matter, maxed out in all the diplomacy type stuff and of course spellcraft and knowledge arcana.

Spells:
0: Flare, detect poisen, dancing lights, light, mage hand, prestidigitation, read magic, detect magic, arcane mark- DC 50ish, 9 spells per day
1: Spider climb, Burning Hands, Animate rope, A couple things i cant read in my scribbl handwriting, Tensers floating disk, identify DC 51ish, 7 per day.
2: Combust, Arcane lock, Flaming sphere continual flame, pyrotechniques (noticing a flame theme?)-DC 52ish, 7 per day
3: Fireball, Flame arrow, Water Breathing, Blink, Slow-DC raised by 1 from now on, 7 per day.
4:Wall of fire, fire trap, fireshield, contagion- 6 per day
5: Fabricate, permanency, Telekenisis- 6 per day
6: Disintigrate, antimagic field, move earth, veil, repulsion (keep mind I've learned soem new spells along the way for various reasons.) 6 per day.
7: Simalcrum, Delayed blast fireball, force cage, cloudkill- 6 per day
8: Nybor's wrathful something-or-other (I did it in initials to save space), incendiary cloud, polymorph any object-6 per day
9: Wish, chain contingency, meteor swarm- 6 per day
Also has 1 10-14th level spells and 5 13th level spells (for metamagic).

Random other items: Boots of swiftness, gate key.

feats (this is going to take me a while, feel free to glide this. Ill put the important ones near the top in a different color).
Improved metamagic 3x, Epic spellcasting, Improved Spell capacity 3x, Auto quicken 5x, and auto feats from following classes- Sorceror familiar, archmage, war wizard, also every metamagic ever is on the list
Improved whirlwind attack and nessesities, mess of fighter bonus feats put towards being better with claws (thing like improved crit, weapon specialization, all that) Regional Feat Fearless (When your convinced your the most powerful being your not scared of much. No, this isnt like the actual cowards who claim to be fearless, he honestly thinks hes the best.), more crap I wont care to trouble you with, bassically the best standard feats and some from D&D supplements, nothing new to explain.

He also has a few milion gp left over for things like taverns :D And by "taverns" I mean "buying the whole town for the hell of it, if his charisma cant conquer it."

Languages dont really matter but: Common, Elven, Draconic, Undercommon, his "cohort" which is really more of a tag-along NPC I have lots of control over has polygot, not to mention Fae'run is gone so its all new languages.

Im defainitly missing a lot, request any info I've missed.
LordKiwi
10-13-04, 07:54 AM *sigh* there is always something more powerful at any level, let alone an epic level gestalt character. The real challendge is to make a lower level character powerful as you don't have as much to play with (see the Hulking Hurler thread). This should probably have been posted in the Epic Level forum.

Just to illustrate how easly epic levels are broken, here is a half done character I made in about 15 minutes.

Race: Half Elf
Classes:
Wizard 4 / Fighter 4
Wizard 3 / Swashbuckler 3
Wizard 3 / Monk 3
Wizard 2 / Ur-priest 2
Wizard 10 / Geomancer 10
Wizard 9 / Arcane Duellist 9
Wizard 7 / Cosmic Descryer 7
Wizard 1 / Eldritch Knight 1
Half Elf Paragon 1 / Spellsword 1

Feats List
---------
4 Unspent Feats (probably get more metamagic)
3 Unspent Fighter Feats (What weapon do you think I should get?)

Divine Shield
Divine Might
Divine Spellpower
Quicken Spell
Maximise Spell
Extend Spell
Persistent Spell
Innate Spell (Quickened Gate)
Assume Supernatural (Gate Innate spell)
Improved Metamagic x3
Improved Spell Capacity x6
Epic Spellcasting (Wizard)
Epic Spellcatsing (Ur-priest)
Multispell x2

Epic Spells
----------
Epic Constitution
Epic Intelligence
Epic Wisdom
Epic Charisma
All three last for 40 hours and can easly reach +50 to a statistic.
You can cast 8 epic spells a day so this leaves 4 more, even if you renew the spells every morning.

Spellcasting
-----------
Arcane CL 40 +1 Ion stone +4 Divine = 45
Divine CL 35 +1 Ion Stone +4 Prayer Beads +4 Divine = 44
Cosmic Descryer can add to this further (5 hp / +1 CL)

The main point of the build is casting gate as a free action each round without the XP costs lets you have a retinue of 41 advanced dragons (82 HD) as your personal bodyguard. Of course they can all cast a huge amount of spells (including epic spells) and have massive damage dealing potential.
they each serve for 41 rounds before getting replaced with a new fresh and healthy dragon.

You can still fight or cast spells easly. You get Charisma to AC (twice), Damage and Saves, Intelligence to Damage and Wisdom to AC. there is a way of getting about 20,000 hp and sacrificing them to the Cosmic Descyer to gate in a 8,000 HD creature that starys around all day, but I can't be bothered to work it in at the moment.

The possabilities are endless.

BTW, while sorcerers aren't usualy too great, Fighters are excellent for the vast quantity of feats it gives you.

Lord Kiwi,
Ranthanas
10-13-04, 05:22 PM Hmmm...

At a guess:

Druid 30/Nature's Warrior 5/Hierophant 5
Rogue 16/War Shaper 4/Hulking Hurler 5/Master Thrower 5/Void Incarnate 10

Looks pretty good to me. Burn the epic feats on Epic Spellcasting and making your wild shape size silly for the Hulking Hurler. You are immune to pretty much everything (permenant Mind Blank, immune to Force effects, Improved Mettle and Improved Evasion)

Alternatively, if you want real spellcasting power:
Sorceror 30/Eldritch Master 10
Fighter 2/Barbarian 12/Ranger 2/Shifter 15/Hulking Hurler 5/War Shaper 4

(Can you say *all* Epic seeds? Oh, and Hulking Hurler firepower)

And I am sure there is plenty of other silly stuff.
MattD121
10-13-04, 07:15 PM I was going for the fighter/sorceror mith possible prestige classes but okay.
Vapor IX
10-13-04, 07:48 PM You can't take two prestige classes at a time when using gestalt.
MattD121
10-13-04, 07:55 PM Indeed, my dosent I beleive.
Pyriel
10-14-04, 12:26 AM im gonna go simple and say monk40/rogue40, just cuz i dont wanna go and look for prcs.

youll being doing a lot of sa dmg with 5 unarmed attacks. Not only that but you will make the ultimate assassin, with uneathly speed and you should been really hard to hit if you got good stats. maybe through in vop for some brokenness.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
MattD121 10-12-04, 08:01 PM	Hes the two most hated classes, fighter and sorceror based, with maxed archmage, dragon disciple, master alchemist (interesting class that lets you make almost any spell into a potion, all you need to know is he can brew 5 spells per day up to 9th level), War wizard... and I beleive thats it. Do what you will with that the stats currently are 20 12 26 20 20 84 Lets see if you can make a better character than me with that :) I bet anything you cant. Gp limit is the norm for level 40's starting anew (I beleive thats 18 million some.) Ill post my version of the character sometime in the next hour, it takes forever to type all that crap :)
MattD121 10-12-04, 08:30 PM	Name: Kale Class: 10 sorc-Dragon Disciple/ 15 sorc-fighter/5fighter-war wizard/10 Master alchemist-fighter Alignment: N Level: 40, gestalt Deity: Formerly Kossov (fae'run destroyed), himself until further notice (Hes an arrogant guy) Size: L (Dragon disciple) Age: 148 (I know, young, if I could I'd make him older.) Gender: M Weight: 250 (lithe guy) Race: Moon elf/Silver Dragon Height: 9' Eyes: Flame Hair: White Skin: Pale, silver scales Str 20 Dex 26 (34 with items) Con 12 Int 20 Wis 20 Cha 84 (100 with spells, DM put a cap on stats :mad: ) Hp: 340 AC: 98 (178) (dex 12, amulet 10, bracers 12, natural armor 12, 40 from a ring, dont ask, 12 from something im forgetting and the 178 is if I've buffed myself today or yesterday, normally I would use that on the tanks though.) Initiative: 16 Bast attack: 20/15/10/5 Saves Fort: 13 Reflex: 13 Will: 17 Weapons: Claws (not a big weapon kind of guy) Armor/Protective item: Bracers or epic armor +12. amulet of epic natural armor +10, Ring of epic protection +30 (dont ask). Skills dont really matter, maxed out in all the diplomacy type stuff and of course spellcraft and knowledge arcana. Spells: 0: Flare, detect poisen, dancing lights, light, mage hand, prestidigitation, read magic, detect magic, arcane mark- DC 50ish, 9 spells per day 1: Spider climb, Burning Hands, Animate rope, A couple things i cant read in my scribbl handwriting, Tensers floating disk, identify DC 51ish, 7 per day. 2: Combust, Arcane lock, Flaming sphere continual flame, pyrotechniques (noticing a flame theme?)-DC 52ish, 7 per day 3: Fireball, Flame arrow, Water Breathing, Blink, Slow-DC raised by 1 from now on, 7 per day. 4:Wall of fire, fire trap, fireshield, contagion- 6 per day 5: Fabricate, permanency, Telekenisis- 6 per day 6: Disintigrate, antimagic field, move earth, veil, repulsion (keep mind I've learned soem new spells along the way for various reasons.) 6 per day. 7: Simalcrum, Delayed blast fireball, force cage, cloudkill- 6 per day 8: Nybor's wrathful something-or-other (I did it in initials to save space), incendiary cloud, polymorph any object-6 per day 9: Wish, chain contingency, meteor swarm- 6 per day Also has 1 10-14th level spells and 5 13th level spells (for metamagic). Random other items: Boots of swiftness, gate key. feats (this is going to take me a while, feel free to glide this. Ill put the important ones near the top in a different color). Improved metamagic 3x, Epic spellcasting, Improved Spell capacity 3x, Auto quicken 5x, and auto feats from following classes- Sorceror familiar, archmage, war wizard, also every metamagic ever is on the list Improved whirlwind attack and nessesities, mess of fighter bonus feats put towards being better with claws (thing like improved crit, weapon specialization, all that) Regional Feat Fearless (When your convinced your the most powerful being your not scared of much. No, this isnt like the actual cowards who claim to be fearless, he honestly thinks hes the best.), more crap I wont care to trouble you with, bassically the best standard feats and some from D&D supplements, nothing new to explain. He also has a few milion gp left over for things like taverns :D And by "taverns" I mean "buying the whole town for the hell of it, if his charisma cant conquer it." Languages dont really matter but: Common, Elven, Draconic, Undercommon, his "cohort" which is really more of a tag-along NPC I have lots of control over has polygot, not to mention Fae'run is gone so its all new languages. Im defainitly missing a lot, request any info I've missed.
LordKiwi 10-13-04, 07:54 AM	sigh there is always something more powerful at any level, let alone an epic level gestalt character. The real challendge is to make a lower level character powerful as you don't have as much to play with (see the Hulking Hurler thread). This should probably have been posted in the Epic Level forum. Just to illustrate how easly epic levels are broken, here is a half done character I made in about 15 minutes. Race: Half Elf Classes: Wizard 4 / Fighter 4 Wizard 3 / Swashbuckler 3 Wizard 3 / Monk 3 Wizard 2 / Ur-priest 2 Wizard 10 / Geomancer 10 Wizard 9 / Arcane Duellist 9 Wizard 7 / Cosmic Descryer 7 Wizard 1 / Eldritch Knight 1 Half Elf Paragon 1 / Spellsword 1 Feats List --------- 4 Unspent Feats (probably get more metamagic) 3 Unspent Fighter Feats (What weapon do you think I should get?) Divine Shield Divine Might Divine Spellpower Quicken Spell Maximise Spell Extend Spell Persistent Spell Innate Spell (Quickened Gate) Assume Supernatural (Gate Innate spell) Improved Metamagic x3 Improved Spell Capacity x6 Epic Spellcasting (Wizard) Epic Spellcatsing (Ur-priest) Multispell x2 Epic Spells ---------- Epic Constitution Epic Intelligence Epic Wisdom Epic Charisma All three last for 40 hours and can easly reach +50 to a statistic. You can cast 8 epic spells a day so this leaves 4 more, even if you renew the spells every morning. Spellcasting ----------- Arcane CL 40 +1 Ion stone +4 Divine = 45 Divine CL 35 +1 Ion Stone +4 Prayer Beads +4 Divine = 44 Cosmic Descryer can add to this further (5 hp / +1 CL) The main point of the build is casting gate as a free action each round without the XP costs lets you have a retinue of 41 advanced dragons (82 HD) as your personal bodyguard. Of course they can all cast a huge amount of spells (including epic spells) and have massive damage dealing potential. they each serve for 41 rounds before getting replaced with a new fresh and healthy dragon. You can still fight or cast spells easly. You get Charisma to AC (twice), Damage and Saves, Intelligence to Damage and Wisdom to AC. there is a way of getting about 20,000 hp and sacrificing them to the Cosmic Descyer to gate in a 8,000 HD creature that starys around all day, but I can't be bothered to work it in at the moment. The possabilities are endless. BTW, while sorcerers aren't usualy too great, Fighters are excellent for the vast quantity of feats it gives you. Lord Kiwi,
Ranthanas 10-13-04, 05:22 PM	Hmmm... At a guess: Druid 30/Nature's Warrior 5/Hierophant 5 Rogue 16/War Shaper 4/Hulking Hurler 5/Master Thrower 5/Void Incarnate 10 Looks pretty good to me. Burn the epic feats on Epic Spellcasting and making your wild shape size silly for the Hulking Hurler. You are immune to pretty much everything (permenant Mind Blank, immune to Force effects, Improved Mettle and Improved Evasion) Alternatively, if you want real spellcasting power: Sorceror 30/Eldritch Master 10 Fighter 2/Barbarian 12/Ranger 2/Shifter 15/Hulking Hurler 5/War Shaper 4 (Can you say all Epic seeds? Oh, and Hulking Hurler firepower) And I am sure there is plenty of other silly stuff.
MattD121 10-13-04, 07:15 PM	I was going for the fighter/sorceror mith possible prestige classes but okay.
Vapor IX 10-13-04, 07:48 PM	You can't take two prestige classes at a time when using gestalt.
MattD121 10-13-04, 07:55 PM	Indeed, my dosent I beleive.
Pyriel 10-14-04, 12:26 AM	im gonna go simple and say monk40/rogue40, just cuz i dont wanna go and look for prcs. youll being doing a lot of sa dmg with 5 unarmed attacks. Not only that but you will make the ultimate assassin, with uneathly speed and you should been really hard to hit if you got good stats. maybe through in vop for some brokenness.