A level 65 character campaign [Archive] - Wizards Community

A level 65 character campaign [Archive] - Wizards Community

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barret3b
03-22-05, 08:41 AM I had wanted to make a Sorcerer/Druid-ish character and was looking for advice. I have PHB, CW, CA, BoVD, Libris Mortis and Fiend Folio to work with. Any help would be appreciated. And yes, my DM is a nut ^_^
lostone
03-22-05, 08:52 AM Out of curiousity, what kind of adventures does a level 65 epic group have?

As for what to do with your character, I don't have the foggiest idea, develop epic level spells I guess, or focus on epic wildshaping into gargantuan creatures or whatever the limit there is, lots of abusable epic critters I'm sure.
Need_A_Life
03-22-05, 09:01 AM Anything with an animal companion, since I believe that BoED let you have a Solar as a familiar, it'd take care of underlings with that nice bow and has a lot of spell-like abilities.

What are you going to do (since clearing out the abyss and the nine hells is WAAAAAAAAAY below anything you should be facing)?
Betrayer of Hope
03-22-05, 09:01 AM The common wisdom on these boards is that epic is inherently distorting. Level 30 strains the limits of the DnD game, by level 65 you're talking about almost non-sensical levels of power.
webgear68
03-22-05, 09:07 AM i had a 31st level sorcerer with arcane prepartion and 10 levels of mage of the arcane order and 10 levels incantrix and 5 levels archmage. he could cast a quickened maximized empowered meteor swarm twice a day and in the same round was really wrong and cruel.
ExaltedAbuse
03-22-05, 09:12 AM I could maybe understand a one-shot at 65th level.... maybe....

but a campaign? :rolleyes:
Interested2
03-22-05, 09:25 AM At level 65:

DM: Ao stands before you.
Players (without even rolling): We kill him.

About the only way to kill a party of level 65 players for good is to have the multiverse implode spontaneously.
calypso
03-22-05, 09:35 AM I'd suggest a straight 65 Expert build. *nod nod*

Calypso
Interested2
03-22-05, 09:44 AM Oooh, or level 65 commoner! You might even be able to kill a dire rat! :D
PhaedrusXY
03-22-05, 09:46 AM Well... if your DM is a Dicefreaks fan, he probably has plenty of monsters that can stand up to even an optimized 65th level party, and the stuff in their version of Hell would definitely stop you. :D

I think I would go with a duel caster, since the loss of a few spellcaster levels here and there, and probably even a few wildshape levels, isn't a big deal. I thought I remembered someone talking about a druid prestige class that let you keep wildshape and get both druid and arcane caster levels, but I don't know, maybe I'm crazy. I'd also probably try getting at least a +16 base attack bonus pre-epic, so you can get 4 iterative attacks per round. So maybe go druid and throw in some Warshaper levels (I think that gets full BAB, right?). Oh, the Fochluchan Lyricist might be a way to go, also.

Can you be Evil? Your books would certainly work better with an evil build. ;) I have a True Necromancer that you could build onto, hehe. Here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=5381919#post5381919) is the build.
Helmed Horror
03-22-05, 09:51 AM I'd suggest a straight 65 Expert build. *nod nod*

Calypso

second.
Tiax returns
03-22-05, 10:22 AM About the only way to kill a party of level 65 players for good is to have the multiverse implode spontaneously.

Actually, at that point the wizard will probably send the party back in time. Y'know, as a reflex action.

Fighter: Hey look! An endless wall of fire advancing at the speed of plot!
Mage: *click*
Fighter: Hey look! Cavemen are carving a wheel out of mud!

I ran an epic game once. Character creation took three months. The game lasted all of two hours, most of that was farting around.

I was in an epic game once. We became epic because we were level 8 and sent a goblin village up in flames by constucting a giant wooden keg, and filling it via a decanter of endless booze set to 'flammable.' Then while every goblin in a three mile radius was asleep, we coated the entire town in said booze and threw a tindertwig. Then the DM was silly enough to give us XP for every single goblin. He did this deliberately. He still regretted it.

Anyhoo, after my level 33 sorceror could dish out 4800 points of damage a round (and I wasn't even really trying) and had judicious use of time stop. I think I died like three times in one combat, but the cleric could cast true ressurection once a round for free.

Good times.

Seriously though, a level 65 commoner is the only option.
scrollreader
03-22-05, 10:42 AM Druid 3/Sorceror 4/Arcane Heirophant 10/Mystic Theurge 10/Druid 4/Geomancer 10/True Necromancer 14/Dweomerkeeper 10.

Casting Druid/Arcane Mage.
Geomancer's ability to swap divine and arcane spells should allow you to use Arcane Disciple to qualify for Dweomerkeeper and True Necromancer, using the rules for LN followers of mystra in the FRCS.

Ninja 1/Druid 10/Sorceror 10/Arcane Heirophant 10/Warshaper 5/Nature's Warrior 5/Master of Many Forms 10/Arcane Heirophant 11-22/Daggerspell Shaper 2,

Be a Minion of Thoth (LA bought off). Human. Take able learner.

Epic Wildshaper. Who happens to have the ability to cast epic spells. Requires Additional Favored Class (Ninja). But you should probably have a spare feat.
lostone
03-22-05, 10:53 AM Minion of ThothWhat book is that?
obrysii
03-22-05, 11:10 AM Great Gold Wyrm...something something.

Great Gold Wyrm's at most ECL 50.
Interested2
03-22-05, 11:22 AM Great Wyrm Gold vs level 50 character = dead Great Wyrm Gold before it can even act.

Hell, Great Wyrm Gold vs level 9 Artificer = Dead great Wyrm Gold.
barret3b
03-22-05, 12:50 PM Hmm, what book is the Arcane Hierophant and True Necromancer from? The books belong to our DM and it would be helpful if I didn't have to look through them all, I won't be the only one making a character. Thanks in advance. ^_^

Also, at level 65, what happens if a Cleric cast Divine Power?
Interested2
03-22-05, 01:02 PM True Necro is from Libris Mortis, and Arcane Heirophant is from Lost Empires of Faerun.
barret3b
03-22-05, 01:41 PM Thank you.
warok
03-22-05, 03:09 PM True Necro is from Libris Mortis, and Arcane Heirophant is from Lost Empires of Faerun.

actually arcane hierophant is in races of the wild
catharz
03-22-05, 03:39 PM Just play a Pseudonatural Paragon Solar :rolleyes:
Interested2
03-22-05, 04:32 PM actually arcane hierophant is in races of the wild

Doh. Both arrived in the mail at the same time for me, so I mix them up. Sorry >.<
ming_the_meaningless
03-22-05, 06:05 PM Paragon Mind Flayer Epic Illithid Savant...credit to the last ridiculously high level build request responders... :rolleyes:
slade_caizer
03-22-05, 08:06 PM Paragon Mind Flayer Epic Illithid Savant...credit to the last ridiculously high level build request responders... :rolleyes:

Paragon LeShay Legendary Dreadnaught (with PTWF)....maybe a little Frenzied Berserker :D
ShiverTheBard
03-22-05, 08:45 PM Awakened Housecat with 65 HD, kill those skinny emo elf punks! Seriously, a housecat could kill an elf commoner........ *hangs head in disgust*
SuperThread
03-22-05, 10:25 PM Great Wyrm Gold vs level 50 character = dead Great Wyrm Gold before it can even act.

Hell, Great Wyrm Gold vs level 9 Artificer = Dead great Wyrm Gold.

Add 32 million gp worth of equipment.
slade_caizer
03-23-05, 12:54 AM Awakened Housecat with 65 HD, kill those skinny emo elf punks! Seriously, a housecat could kill an elf commoner........ *hangs head in disgust*

*gasp* That's it! A 65HD rabid bunny with a vorpal bite! Very Monty Python here. :cool:

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
barret3b 03-22-05, 08:41 AM	I had wanted to make a Sorcerer/Druid-ish character and was looking for advice. I have PHB, CW, CA, BoVD, Libris Mortis and Fiend Folio to work with. Any help would be appreciated. And yes, my DM is a nut ^_^
lostone 03-22-05, 08:52 AM	Out of curiousity, what kind of adventures does a level 65 epic group have? As for what to do with your character, I don't have the foggiest idea, develop epic level spells I guess, or focus on epic wildshaping into gargantuan creatures or whatever the limit there is, lots of abusable epic critters I'm sure.
Need_A_Life 03-22-05, 09:01 AM	Anything with an animal companion, since I believe that BoED let you have a Solar as a familiar, it'd take care of underlings with that nice bow and has a lot of spell-like abilities. What are you going to do (since clearing out the abyss and the nine hells is WAAAAAAAAAY below anything you should be facing)?
Betrayer of Hope 03-22-05, 09:01 AM	The common wisdom on these boards is that epic is inherently distorting. Level 30 strains the limits of the DnD game, by level 65 you're talking about almost non-sensical levels of power.
webgear68 03-22-05, 09:07 AM	i had a 31st level sorcerer with arcane prepartion and 10 levels of mage of the arcane order and 10 levels incantrix and 5 levels archmage. he could cast a quickened maximized empowered meteor swarm twice a day and in the same round was really wrong and cruel.
ExaltedAbuse 03-22-05, 09:12 AM	I could maybe understand a one-shot at 65th level.... maybe.... but a campaign? :rolleyes:
Interested2 03-22-05, 09:25 AM	At level 65: DM: Ao stands before you. Players (without even rolling): We kill him. About the only way to kill a party of level 65 players for good is to have the multiverse implode spontaneously.
calypso 03-22-05, 09:35 AM	I'd suggest a straight 65 Expert build. nod nod Calypso
Interested2 03-22-05, 09:44 AM	Oooh, or level 65 commoner! You might even be able to kill a dire rat! :D
PhaedrusXY 03-22-05, 09:46 AM	Well... if your DM is a Dicefreaks fan, he probably has plenty of monsters that can stand up to even an optimized 65th level party, and the stuff in their version of Hell would definitely stop you. :D I think I would go with a duel caster, since the loss of a few spellcaster levels here and there, and probably even a few wildshape levels, isn't a big deal. I thought I remembered someone talking about a druid prestige class that let you keep wildshape and get both druid and arcane caster levels, but I don't know, maybe I'm crazy. I'd also probably try getting at least a +16 base attack bonus pre-epic, so you can get 4 iterative attacks per round. So maybe go druid and throw in some Warshaper levels (I think that gets full BAB, right?). Oh, the Fochluchan Lyricist might be a way to go, also. Can you be Evil? Your books would certainly work better with an evil build. ;) I have a True Necromancer that you could build onto, hehe. Here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=5381919#post5381919) is the build.
Helmed Horror 03-22-05, 09:51 AM	I'd suggest a straight 65 Expert build. nod nod Calypso second.
Tiax returns 03-22-05, 10:22 AM	About the only way to kill a party of level 65 players for good is to have the multiverse implode spontaneously. Actually, at that point the wizard will probably send the party back in time. Y'know, as a reflex action. Fighter: Hey look! An endless wall of fire advancing at the speed of plot! Mage: click Fighter: Hey look! Cavemen are carving a wheel out of mud! I ran an epic game once. Character creation took three months. The game lasted all of two hours, most of that was farting around. I was in an epic game once. We became epic because we were level 8 and sent a goblin village up in flames by constucting a giant wooden keg, and filling it via a decanter of endless booze set to 'flammable.' Then while every goblin in a three mile radius was asleep, we coated the entire town in said booze and threw a tindertwig. Then the DM was silly enough to give us XP for every single goblin. He did this deliberately. He still regretted it. Anyhoo, after my level 33 sorceror could dish out 4800 points of damage a round (and I wasn't even really trying) and had judicious use of time stop. I think I died like three times in one combat, but the cleric could cast true ressurection once a round for free. Good times. Seriously though, a level 65 commoner is the only option.
scrollreader 03-22-05, 10:42 AM	Druid 3/Sorceror 4/Arcane Heirophant 10/Mystic Theurge 10/Druid 4/Geomancer 10/True Necromancer 14/Dweomerkeeper 10. Casting Druid/Arcane Mage. Geomancer's ability to swap divine and arcane spells should allow you to use Arcane Disciple to qualify for Dweomerkeeper and True Necromancer, using the rules for LN followers of mystra in the FRCS. Ninja 1/Druid 10/Sorceror 10/Arcane Heirophant 10/Warshaper 5/Nature's Warrior 5/Master of Many Forms 10/Arcane Heirophant 11-22/Daggerspell Shaper 2, Be a Minion of Thoth (LA bought off). Human. Take able learner. Epic Wildshaper. Who happens to have the ability to cast epic spells. Requires Additional Favored Class (Ninja). But you should probably have a spare feat.
lostone 03-22-05, 10:53 AM	Minion of ThothWhat book is that?
obrysii 03-22-05, 11:10 AM	Great Gold Wyrm...something something. Great Gold Wyrm's at most ECL 50.
Interested2 03-22-05, 11:22 AM	Great Wyrm Gold vs level 50 character = dead Great Wyrm Gold before it can even act. Hell, Great Wyrm Gold vs level 9 Artificer = Dead great Wyrm Gold.
barret3b 03-22-05, 12:50 PM	Hmm, what book is the Arcane Hierophant and True Necromancer from? The books belong to our DM and it would be helpful if I didn't have to look through them all, I won't be the only one making a character. Thanks in advance. ^_^ Also, at level 65, what happens if a Cleric cast Divine Power?
Interested2 03-22-05, 01:02 PM	True Necro is from Libris Mortis, and Arcane Heirophant is from Lost Empires of Faerun.
barret3b 03-22-05, 01:41 PM	Thank you.
warok 03-22-05, 03:09 PM	True Necro is from Libris Mortis, and Arcane Heirophant is from Lost Empires of Faerun. actually arcane hierophant is in races of the wild
catharz 03-22-05, 03:39 PM	Just play a Pseudonatural Paragon Solar :rolleyes:
Interested2 03-22-05, 04:32 PM	actually arcane hierophant is in races of the wild Doh. Both arrived in the mail at the same time for me, so I mix them up. Sorry >.<
ming_the_meaningless 03-22-05, 06:05 PM	Paragon Mind Flayer Epic Illithid Savant...credit to the last ridiculously high level build request responders... :rolleyes:
slade_caizer 03-22-05, 08:06 PM	Paragon Mind Flayer Epic Illithid Savant...credit to the last ridiculously high level build request responders... :rolleyes: Paragon LeShay Legendary Dreadnaught (with PTWF)....maybe a little Frenzied Berserker :D
ShiverTheBard 03-22-05, 08:45 PM	Awakened Housecat with 65 HD, kill those skinny emo elf punks! Seriously, a housecat could kill an elf commoner........ hangs head in disgust
SuperThread 03-22-05, 10:25 PM	Great Wyrm Gold vs level 50 character = dead Great Wyrm Gold before it can even act. Hell, Great Wyrm Gold vs level 9 Artificer = Dead great Wyrm Gold. Add 32 million gp worth of equipment.
slade_caizer 03-23-05, 12:54 AM	Awakened Housecat with 65 HD, kill those skinny emo elf punks! Seriously, a housecat could kill an elf commoner........ hangs head in disgust gasp That's it! A 65HD rabid bunny with a vorpal bite! Very Monty Python here. :cool: