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A min/max CHALLENGE [Archive] - Wizards Community

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TheLightIsDead
04-29-04, 03:09 PM ok

This is a challenge for all you brilliant minmaxers out there:

Using any WOTC material except for the MHB

Create a twentieth level character with the most strength possible
(this includes items that you can buy with the starting gold that a twentieth level character would have)

(note this is his strength at his maximum eg while raging etc)

Lets see who can come up with the build for the most strength
:angel:
CompleteSatori
04-29-04, 03:39 PM Thats weak.

You didn't even post stats or anything. Whats the point of this exercise anyways? Most of us do this min/max thing as a challenge, how to fit a specialized concept into a viable general build that can adventure in any setting blah blah blah.

Highest Strength? I buy an Epic Belt of Strength +12 and also have someone cast Shapechange on me, and I turn into a Firbolg or a Titan. I put all of my stat points into Strength, and am also a cleric of a deity that grants the Strength domain, which I take only Cleric levels of, or I take levels of Barbarian/Frenzied Berserk/Berkserker with a Fury weapon etc etc etc.

This isnt very fun, I am going to go try to make a triple threat build or something, or go pick my nose.
Sisyfos
04-29-04, 03:49 PM 1st level commoner, high point-buy, DM ruling that 18 is not the maximum stat that can be bought.

STR 1000
DEX 8
CON 8
INT 8
WIS 8
CHA 8
Ehlonnia
04-29-04, 04:00 PM Same conditions... except

STR 2000
DEX 8
CON 8
INT 8
WIS 8
CHA 8

Originally posted by Sisyfos
1st level commoner, high point-buy, DM ruling that 18 is not the maximum stat that can be bought.

STR 1000
DEX 8
CON 8
INT 8
WIS 8
CHA 8
trapspringer
04-29-04, 05:04 PM I'm not going to take a stab at this, but c'mon, you guys know what he meant.
LordArkan
04-29-04, 07:00 PM Then the OP should have been more specific.

I'll help to at least try to validate this thread by posting something, though.

Human Barbarian 4/Human Paragon 3/Bear Warrior 10/Warshaper 3
Choose UMD as your class skill from Human Paragon.

STR 18 base
+ 5 levels
+ 5 inherent
+ 6 enhancement
+ 20 bear form (unnamed)
+ 4 morphic body (unnamed)
+ 2 paragon (unnamed)
+ 8 righteous might (size) cast from scroll
----
68 STR

This isn't trying very hard, though.
CompleteSatori
04-29-04, 11:50 PM Epic Character of all Strengthiness:

Living Vault (Paragonal)

Strength = 95 base
+10 inherent
+12 enhancement
+05 Wish
_____
= 122 Strength.

And it has feet (move 30', cant run) and an AC of 80 (+12 luck, +12 insight, +60 natural, -8 size, -2 dex). It cannot attack you, but can hold any amount of Basketweaving materials equal to 25,000 sq feet!!
TheLightIsDead
04-30-04, 03:09 AM Thank you you wonderfull people.
Isnt it just so nice when people can post on forums without getting flamed to death. It is so good to finally find a forum that is full of nice non-flaming people once in a while, i really enjoy it </sarcasm>

Seriously people, if you dont like the thread DONT POST IN IT. It really is that simple. There is absolutely no cause for flaming apart from trying to increase your "cyber-ego" and i have to say to all you guys who flamed me that this is really pathetic. I honestly expected that this might just be a forum free from you pathetic flamers but obviously i was wrong. I have to say a proper thankyou to Trapspringer for actually not flaming me and trying to get you guys to stop.

Thank you Trapspringer
Santherus
04-30-04, 03:28 AM :teach: - any flames aside: the general etiquette for this particular forum is to post a build, then ask for critique (I think that this is stated in the FAQ - have you had a chance to read it?).

Why not take a stab yourself (or build on LordArkans offered build) then repost? I'm sure that you'll then find everyone more than willing to help - the key being _help_, rather than create a build for you.

Luck to you.
Impeesa
04-30-04, 05:31 AM How much time do I get to 'prepare'? A 3rd level cleric with a decent wisdom can cast Lesser Restoration twice a day, right? There's a disease in the BoVD that gives -1d3 con and +2 str per day. Just keep failing your saves, and your restorations will be enough (on average) to keep the con loss under control. Given some arbitrary amount of time to prepare, level 3 cleric beats all of you. :D

Disclaimer: I didn't come up with that one, though I don't recall who did.

--Impeesa--
Funny Slaughter
04-30-04, 05:47 AM There is absolutely no cause for flaming apart from trying to increase your "cyber-ego" and i have to say to all you guys who flamed me that this is really pathetic

flaming? seriously, my flaming detector doesnt work, i see no flaming, only some bored regulars that dont take you serious.

there may be several reasons for this:
- we had about a bazillion "challenges" about exact this topic
- without any given outlines and such a high level a challenge is worthless

btw, i cant really mention the PrC because its kind of banned here, but i think infinite strength should make the winner. takes some time of, ahm, dancing, though...

gs
Funny http://www.geocities.com/jonathanef/fs/funnys.gif
CompleteSatori
04-30-04, 10:52 AM lol, <smacks the ban abuser> bad Funny! Bad!

Seriously though TLiD, I was in a bad mood when I posted early this morning, but I agree with San and Funny here, post something for us to beat, or give us real requirements/builds to work within (levels, money, etc etc).

I wasn't actually flaming, I was just being unhelpful in the extreme.
TheLightIsDead
04-30-04, 01:26 PM Thankyou for apologising Satori. I do realise that i may have gone a bit off the scale when i accused you all of flaming and for that i am sorry.
ok
lets start again then

start with 18 base strength and a 25 point buy for the remaining stats (the 18 strength doesnt count as any points used but you cannot increase it any further at the starting level) with a level 20 character. You have the base starting gold that a twentieth level character would receive and you can buy any item that is printed in a WoTC D&D product (Except MHB) 3.0 is not allowed but the splatbooks that were printed with it are (anything that has been reprinted in 3.5 is what you should use i.e no using old versions of items/classes when there is a reprint available) You have no preperation time this is as soon as you start (ie you cannot do the cheese with the infinate cleric restoration). Any roleplaying requirements are already met (for prc's and such)

this is what i get

18 base
+5 level
+5 wish
+5 tomes
+6 belt of ogre strength
+4 warshaper
+20? for bear warrior
+2 mineral warrior
+12? half stone golem graft

total of 59 ( i am not sure if any of these do or do not stack so...)

ok

Your turn
:schemes:
Funny Slaughter
04-30-04, 01:48 PM wish and tomes give the same bonus, they dont stack.
you can do better then +2 with a template
you did not show a valid build

gs
Funny
SuperThread
04-30-04, 03:47 PM Originally posted by Funny Slaughter
btw, i cant really mention the PrC because its kind of banned here, but i think infinite strength should make the winner. takes some time of, ahm, dancing, though...

You can't stack metamagic in 3.5.
Otto the Bugbear
04-30-04, 05:13 PM Forget the base 18 strength.

Use Polymorph or Shapechange to get Firbolg form (base 36) and then go from there.

Cleric 14 / Contemplative 6 (Trickery, Strength, Pestilence, +1 domains)

Curse of Lycanthrope (+16 for werebear, lower for others)
Arm of Nyr +2
Belt +6
Death Knell +2
Strength Domain +20
Curse of the Brute +20

I'm already bored, but I'm sure there are a lot of other things to add to this.

Cheers

Otto :)
Qaetar
04-30-04, 09:49 PM Doesn't Strength domain increase with Cleric Level, not Caster Level? It's an Enhancement Bonus anyway, so it overlaps with your Belt.

(Qaetar)
Otto the Bugbear
04-30-04, 11:26 PM Curse of the Brute is enhancement too.

I guess I should have clarified that I was just listing some options for increased strength, not to use everything at once.

Anyway, good catch.

Cheers

Otto :)
Laelenie
05-03-04, 08:11 AM feral orc shaman 11 /contemplative 6/ any major bloodline giving str bonus 3 / whatever increasing caster level

starting 18
feral +4
orc +4
level +4
tome +5
enchantment +6
giant size +32
bloodline +2

TOTAL 75

For major cheesiness

Half dragon Feral Antrhopomorphic Rhinoceros /Barbarian 1/Figther 2/berserk 1/Frenzied berserker 1/ Monk 3/ Tatooed monk 3 /Shaman 1

excluding all the aspect of the deity and arm of nyr supercheesiness... I still get

Starting 18
antro rhino +8
feral +4
dragon +8
barbarian +4
berserk +6
frenzied +6
enchantment (bellflower tatoo) +10
scroll of giant size +32
Tome +5
Level +3

Total 104

With the mini' Handbook

Half dragon Feral Orc Were Bear /Barbarian 1/Figther 1/berserk 1/Frenzied berserker 1/ Shaman 1/ War Hulk 3

Starting 18
orc +4
were bear +16
feral +4
dragon +8
barbarian +4
berserk +6
frenzied +6
enchantment +6
scroll of giant size +32
Tome +5
Level +3

TOTAL 112 (82 without the shaman level and the scroll of giant size- one more war hulk level)
samoosa691
05-03-04, 11:05 AM Originally posted by Ehlonnia
Same conditions... except

STR 2000
DEX 8
CON 8
INT 8
WIS 8
CHA 8 :rofl:
Deepwood_Sniper
10-12-04, 10:50 PM As you can read from the tiltle I would like to know where you people got the feral template from thanx in advance.
Vapor IX
10-12-04, 10:58 PM As you can read from the tiltle I would like to know where you people got the feral template from thanx in advance.

Savage Species.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
TheLightIsDead 04-29-04, 03:09 PM	ok This is a challenge for all you brilliant minmaxers out there: Using any WOTC material except for the MHB Create a twentieth level character with the most strength possible (this includes items that you can buy with the starting gold that a twentieth level character would have) (note this is his strength at his maximum eg while raging etc) Lets see who can come up with the build for the most strength :angel:
CompleteSatori 04-29-04, 03:39 PM	Thats weak. You didn't even post stats or anything. Whats the point of this exercise anyways? Most of us do this min/max thing as a challenge, how to fit a specialized concept into a viable general build that can adventure in any setting blah blah blah. Highest Strength? I buy an Epic Belt of Strength +12 and also have someone cast Shapechange on me, and I turn into a Firbolg or a Titan. I put all of my stat points into Strength, and am also a cleric of a deity that grants the Strength domain, which I take only Cleric levels of, or I take levels of Barbarian/Frenzied Berserk/Berkserker with a Fury weapon etc etc etc. This isnt very fun, I am going to go try to make a triple threat build or something, or go pick my nose.
Sisyfos 04-29-04, 03:49 PM	1st level commoner, high point-buy, DM ruling that 18 is not the maximum stat that can be bought. STR 1000 DEX 8 CON 8 INT 8 WIS 8 CHA 8
Ehlonnia 04-29-04, 04:00 PM	Same conditions... except STR 2000 DEX 8 CON 8 INT 8 WIS 8 CHA 8 Originally posted by Sisyfos 1st level commoner, high point-buy, DM ruling that 18 is not the maximum stat that can be bought. STR 1000 DEX 8 CON 8 INT 8 WIS 8 CHA 8
trapspringer 04-29-04, 05:04 PM	I'm not going to take a stab at this, but c'mon, you guys know what he meant.
LordArkan 04-29-04, 07:00 PM	Then the OP should have been more specific. I'll help to at least try to validate this thread by posting something, though. Human Barbarian 4/Human Paragon 3/Bear Warrior 10/Warshaper 3 Choose UMD as your class skill from Human Paragon. STR 18 base + 5 levels + 5 inherent + 6 enhancement + 20 bear form (unnamed) + 4 morphic body (unnamed) + 2 paragon (unnamed) + 8 righteous might (size) cast from scroll ---- 68 STR This isn't trying very hard, though.
CompleteSatori 04-29-04, 11:50 PM	Epic Character of all Strengthiness: Living Vault (Paragonal) Strength = 95 base +10 inherent +12 enhancement +05 Wish _____ = 122 Strength. And it has feet (move 30', cant run) and an AC of 80 (+12 luck, +12 insight, +60 natural, -8 size, -2 dex). It cannot attack you, but can hold any amount of Basketweaving materials equal to 25,000 sq feet!!
TheLightIsDead 04-30-04, 03:09 AM	Thank you you wonderfull people. Isnt it just so nice when people can post on forums without getting flamed to death. It is so good to finally find a forum that is full of nice non-flaming people once in a while, i really enjoy it </sarcasm> Seriously people, if you dont like the thread DONT POST IN IT. It really is that simple. There is absolutely no cause for flaming apart from trying to increase your "cyber-ego" and i have to say to all you guys who flamed me that this is really pathetic. I honestly expected that this might just be a forum free from you pathetic flamers but obviously i was wrong. I have to say a proper thankyou to Trapspringer for actually not flaming me and trying to get you guys to stop. Thank you Trapspringer
Santherus 04-30-04, 03:28 AM	:teach: - any flames aside: the general etiquette for this particular forum is to post a build, then ask for critique (I think that this is stated in the FAQ - have you had a chance to read it?). Why not take a stab yourself (or build on LordArkans offered build) then repost? I'm sure that you'll then find everyone more than willing to help - the key being _help_, rather than create a build for you. Luck to you.
Impeesa 04-30-04, 05:31 AM	How much time do I get to 'prepare'? A 3rd level cleric with a decent wisdom can cast Lesser Restoration twice a day, right? There's a disease in the BoVD that gives -1d3 con and +2 str per day. Just keep failing your saves, and your restorations will be enough (on average) to keep the con loss under control. Given some arbitrary amount of time to prepare, level 3 cleric beats all of you. :D Disclaimer: I didn't come up with that one, though I don't recall who did. --Impeesa--
Funny Slaughter 04-30-04, 05:47 AM	There is absolutely no cause for flaming apart from trying to increase your "cyber-ego" and i have to say to all you guys who flamed me that this is really pathetic flaming? seriously, my flaming detector doesnt work, i see no flaming, only some bored regulars that dont take you serious. there may be several reasons for this: - we had about a bazillion "challenges" about exact this topic - without any given outlines and such a high level a challenge is worthless btw, i cant really mention the PrC because its kind of banned here, but i think infinite strength should make the winner. takes some time of, ahm, dancing, though... gs Funny http://www.geocities.com/jonathanef/fs/funnys.gif
CompleteSatori 04-30-04, 10:52 AM	lol, <smacks the ban abuser> bad Funny! Bad! Seriously though TLiD, I was in a bad mood when I posted early this morning, but I agree with San and Funny here, post something for us to beat, or give us real requirements/builds to work within (levels, money, etc etc). I wasn't actually flaming, I was just being unhelpful in the extreme.
TheLightIsDead 04-30-04, 01:26 PM	Thankyou for apologising Satori. I do realise that i may have gone a bit off the scale when i accused you all of flaming and for that i am sorry. ok lets start again then start with 18 base strength and a 25 point buy for the remaining stats (the 18 strength doesnt count as any points used but you cannot increase it any further at the starting level) with a level 20 character. You have the base starting gold that a twentieth level character would receive and you can buy any item that is printed in a WoTC D&D product (Except MHB) 3.0 is not allowed but the splatbooks that were printed with it are (anything that has been reprinted in 3.5 is what you should use i.e no using old versions of items/classes when there is a reprint available) You have no preperation time this is as soon as you start (ie you cannot do the cheese with the infinate cleric restoration). Any roleplaying requirements are already met (for prc's and such) this is what i get 18 base +5 level +5 wish +5 tomes +6 belt of ogre strength +4 warshaper +20? for bear warrior +2 mineral warrior +12? half stone golem graft total of 59 ( i am not sure if any of these do or do not stack so...) ok Your turn :schemes:
Funny Slaughter 04-30-04, 01:48 PM	wish and tomes give the same bonus, they dont stack. you can do better then +2 with a template you did not show a valid build gs Funny
SuperThread 04-30-04, 03:47 PM	Originally posted by Funny Slaughter btw, i cant really mention the PrC because its kind of banned here, but i think infinite strength should make the winner. takes some time of, ahm, dancing, though... You can't stack metamagic in 3.5.
Otto the Bugbear 04-30-04, 05:13 PM	Forget the base 18 strength. Use Polymorph or Shapechange to get Firbolg form (base 36) and then go from there. Cleric 14 / Contemplative 6 (Trickery, Strength, Pestilence, +1 domains) Curse of Lycanthrope (+16 for werebear, lower for others) Arm of Nyr +2 Belt +6 Death Knell +2 Strength Domain +20 Curse of the Brute +20 I'm already bored, but I'm sure there are a lot of other things to add to this. Cheers Otto :)
Qaetar 04-30-04, 09:49 PM	Doesn't Strength domain increase with Cleric Level, not Caster Level? It's an Enhancement Bonus anyway, so it overlaps with your Belt. (Qaetar)
Otto the Bugbear 04-30-04, 11:26 PM	Curse of the Brute is enhancement too. I guess I should have clarified that I was just listing some options for increased strength, not to use everything at once. Anyway, good catch. Cheers Otto :)
Laelenie 05-03-04, 08:11 AM	feral orc shaman 11 /contemplative 6/ any major bloodline giving str bonus 3 / whatever increasing caster level starting 18 feral +4 orc +4 level +4 tome +5 enchantment +6 giant size +32 bloodline +2 TOTAL 75 For major cheesiness Half dragon Feral Antrhopomorphic Rhinoceros /Barbarian 1/Figther 2/berserk 1/Frenzied berserker 1/ Monk 3/ Tatooed monk 3 /Shaman 1 excluding all the aspect of the deity and arm of nyr supercheesiness... I still get Starting 18 antro rhino +8 feral +4 dragon +8 barbarian +4 berserk +6 frenzied +6 enchantment (bellflower tatoo) +10 scroll of giant size +32 Tome +5 Level +3 Total 104 With the mini' Handbook Half dragon Feral Orc Were Bear /Barbarian 1/Figther 1/berserk 1/Frenzied berserker 1/ Shaman 1/ War Hulk 3 Starting 18 orc +4 were bear +16 feral +4 dragon +8 barbarian +4 berserk +6 frenzied +6 enchantment +6 scroll of giant size +32 Tome +5 Level +3 TOTAL 112 (82 without the shaman level and the scroll of giant size- one more war hulk level)
samoosa691 05-03-04, 11:05 AM	Originally posted by Ehlonnia Same conditions... except STR 2000 DEX 8 CON 8 INT 8 WIS 8 CHA 8 :rofl:
Deepwood_Sniper 10-12-04, 10:50 PM	As you can read from the tiltle I would like to know where you people got the feral template from thanx in advance.
Vapor IX 10-12-04, 10:58 PM	As you can read from the tiltle I would like to know where you people got the feral template from thanx in advance. Savage Species.