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Jalokin
12-16-04, 05:56 PM Note: Ok, here is my attempt at munchkinism, I am going to include only the class levels taken and one or two very important feats.

Okay, at level twenty the character should look like this:
Warlock-6/Green Star Adept-10/Dragon Disciple-4.
For Eldritch Blast Damage at it's highest, Practiced Spellcaster: Warlock is taken, and results in a Warlock caster level of 20, and therefore 9d6 Eldritch Blast Damage.
The benefits: Okay, this character has full Eldritch Blast Damage, 6d6+14d8+20 HP. He also has 3 bonus invocations (I translated Bonus Spells from Dragon Disciple into Bonus Invocations.) On top of that this character is a construct, and immune to critical hits, no longer has a constitution score. Finally, the Character has the invocations of an 11th level Warlock, plus 3 bonus from Dragon Disciple.

Pertaining to Dragon Disciple: To be a Dragon Disciple, the character must be able to "cast spells spontaneously," and I admit, I did blur the lines between spells and spell-like-abilities here. However, the Warlock has access to spell-like-abilites an unlimited number of times each day, without preparation, so I believe that he qualifies for this prestige class.

Thanks for reading this drivel :P , and feel free to critique, and make some suggestions/corrections of your own.
Khelvaster
12-16-04, 08:21 PM According to the Complete Arcane, warlock spell-like abilities are counted as spells for PRC progressions.
Tempest Stormwind
12-16-04, 08:36 PM 1) Bonus spells are just that -- Bonus Spells. Translating them to Invocations is unreasonable.
2) Dragon Disciple requires you to CAST SPELLS -- not a caster level requirement. Thus, Warlocks don't qualify, as per Complete Arcane's rules on warlocks and prerequisites (as in, they meet "Able to cast X spell" with an invocation that mimics X, but they never meet "cast spells" or "cast spells of xth level" requirements).
3) As 2, but for Practiced Spellcaster. Warlocks cannot take this.

The build works up until you hit the need for Dragon Disciple, though you only have 6 levels of warlock for the purposes of known invocations.

Khelvaster: Where do you see that? They're not counted as spells. They're close:
1) Invocations that allow the use of X spell or an effect virtually identical to it (as in Flee The Scene to Dimension Door, or Hungry Darkness to Darkness) count as that spell for the purposes of requirements.
2) Levels of classes that grant +1 Level of Existing Spellcasting Class count as warlock levels for the purposes of invocations known, as well as for caster level.
Close, but not an exact parallel. Just thought I should point that out.
Jalokin
12-16-04, 09:04 PM Tempest, you actually have 11 levels of Invocations known, as Green Star Adept gives +1 spells every other level (can't remember if spells are given at even or odd levels for the class.) And with 10 levels in Green Star Adept, you have +5 levels of spellcasting, therefore, 11 levels of Warlocks, as far as invocations are concerned.

And for Practiced Spellcaster, why can't they? Practiced Spellcaster requires a spellcasting class, and four ranks of Spellcraft. Surely the feat applies to a Warlock, (read the beginning of Chapter 3 in Complete Arcane about feat requirements.)
scrollreader
12-16-04, 10:54 PM The thing is, warlock damage is totally independant of caster level. You might be able to take it, and boost your caster level. Good on you. But it doesn't affect your blast.

Now, if it said "A warlock's eldritch blast does 1d6 damage, for every two warlock levels, rounded up" then this would work.

But the eldritch blast is a class feature. It is a specific exception compared to most class features as it specifically is allowed to level with +1 spellcasting level. NOT caster level. So while it would get better with each +1 you get from Green Star (every other, IIRC), you'd essentially get 5 levels worth of EB improvement from it, not ten.

The only advantage something like Green Star Adept gives you over Dragonslayer is a boost to overcoming SR. Which is not, I'd note, a bad thing at all for the Warlock.
And losing 5 levels is only 2d6 damage (and honestly, nothing really excites me in the Dark Invocations, anyway).

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Jalokin 12-16-04, 05:56 PM	Note: Ok, here is my attempt at munchkinism, I am going to include only the class levels taken and one or two very important feats. Okay, at level twenty the character should look like this: Warlock-6/Green Star Adept-10/Dragon Disciple-4. For Eldritch Blast Damage at it's highest, Practiced Spellcaster: Warlock is taken, and results in a Warlock caster level of 20, and therefore 9d6 Eldritch Blast Damage. The benefits: Okay, this character has full Eldritch Blast Damage, 6d6+14d8+20 HP. He also has 3 bonus invocations (I translated Bonus Spells from Dragon Disciple into Bonus Invocations.) On top of that this character is a construct, and immune to critical hits, no longer has a constitution score. Finally, the Character has the invocations of an 11th level Warlock, plus 3 bonus from Dragon Disciple. Pertaining to Dragon Disciple: To be a Dragon Disciple, the character must be able to "cast spells spontaneously," and I admit, I did blur the lines between spells and spell-like-abilities here. However, the Warlock has access to spell-like-abilites an unlimited number of times each day, without preparation, so I believe that he qualifies for this prestige class. Thanks for reading this drivel :P , and feel free to critique, and make some suggestions/corrections of your own.
Khelvaster 12-16-04, 08:21 PM	According to the Complete Arcane, warlock spell-like abilities are counted as spells for PRC progressions.
Tempest Stormwind 12-16-04, 08:36 PM	1) Bonus spells are just that -- Bonus Spells. Translating them to Invocations is unreasonable. 2) Dragon Disciple requires you to CAST SPELLS -- not a caster level requirement. Thus, Warlocks don't qualify, as per Complete Arcane's rules on warlocks and prerequisites (as in, they meet "Able to cast X spell" with an invocation that mimics X, but they never meet "cast spells" or "cast spells of xth level" requirements). 3) As 2, but for Practiced Spellcaster. Warlocks cannot take this. The build works up until you hit the need for Dragon Disciple, though you only have 6 levels of warlock for the purposes of known invocations. Khelvaster: Where do you see that? They're not counted as spells. They're close: 1) Invocations that allow the use of X spell or an effect virtually identical to it (as in Flee The Scene to Dimension Door, or Hungry Darkness to Darkness) count as that spell for the purposes of requirements. 2) Levels of classes that grant +1 Level of Existing Spellcasting Class count as warlock levels for the purposes of invocations known, as well as for caster level. Close, but not an exact parallel. Just thought I should point that out.
Jalokin 12-16-04, 09:04 PM	Tempest, you actually have 11 levels of Invocations known, as Green Star Adept gives +1 spells every other level (can't remember if spells are given at even or odd levels for the class.) And with 10 levels in Green Star Adept, you have +5 levels of spellcasting, therefore, 11 levels of Warlocks, as far as invocations are concerned. And for Practiced Spellcaster, why can't they? Practiced Spellcaster requires a spellcasting class, and four ranks of Spellcraft. Surely the feat applies to a Warlock, (read the beginning of Chapter 3 in Complete Arcane about feat requirements.)
scrollreader 12-16-04, 10:54 PM	The thing is, warlock damage is totally independant of caster level. You might be able to take it, and boost your caster level. Good on you. But it doesn't affect your blast. Now, if it said "A warlock's eldritch blast does 1d6 damage, for every two warlock levels, rounded up" then this would work. But the eldritch blast is a class feature. It is a specific exception compared to most class features as it specifically is allowed to level with +1 spellcasting level. NOT caster level. So while it would get better with each +1 you get from Green Star (every other, IIRC), you'd essentially get 5 levels worth of EB improvement from it, not ten. The only advantage something like Green Star Adept gives you over Dragonslayer is a boost to overcoming SR. Which is not, I'd note, a bad thing at all for the Warlock. And losing 5 levels is only 2d6 damage (and honestly, nothing really excites me in the Dark Invocations, anyway).