Abjurer optimisation help [Archive] - Wizards Community

Abjurer optimisation help [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Paido
09-26-05, 11:58 PM I'm not sure it is the right thread for this but here I go.

I'm building a wizard caracter for a new adventure. I wish to try some kind of Dwarven Abjurer but if the feats requirement require it, human abjurer could be possible. Also, the DM allowed me the use of Unearthed arcana feats tweaks (meaning I can pick a negative feat to get one more)

Although the adventure starts at level 1, I plan to aim at the "Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil" prestige class from the Complete Arcane. Since that PC requires 12 ranks, my 10th level should be the Initiate one.

Now, I'm looking for a potential prestige class for levels 6 to 9 that would still fit the requirements of the Initiate.

Any ideas ?
Mistwell
09-27-05, 12:38 AM Incantatrix (Player's Guide to Faerun) is mostly about being an abjurer, and is very good. Entry at level 6.
runestar
09-27-05, 02:39 AM The PGTF version has almost nothing to do with abjuration whatsoever, and you would be better off going plain wiz with that build, loss of 3 schools is just too painful.
sornet
09-27-05, 05:48 AM Combine Geometer (Complete Arcana, pg. 39) with IoSV.
Paido
09-27-05, 07:55 AM The PGTF version has almost nothing to do with abjuration whatsoever, and you would be better off going plain wiz with that build, loss of 3 schools is just too painful.

But then, I could go with a plain wiz up to lvl 5 and then the PGTF Incantatrix (losing only one school)... what do you think ?
barret3b
09-27-05, 09:04 AM While specializing would help with IoSFV reqs, you really don't have to specialize.
Heck, cleche' or not, that first Wizard Substitution level is wonderful.
Ithandor
09-27-05, 10:10 AM You could also grab a level or two in Fatespinner (need Wiz 7 to qualify). You lose nothing, easy to qualify for, and nice abilities....

I played a Wizard5/Mage of the Arcane Order2/Fatespinner2/IotSV3 up until recently, and had a blast doing it.

Just my .02c

Ithandor
Paido
09-27-05, 04:44 PM Thank you for all those ideas...
runestar
09-28-05, 12:56 AM But then, I could go with a plain wiz up to lvl 5 and then the PGTF Incantatrix (losing only one school)... what do you think ?

IMO? The best wiz build if there ever was one.
Mistwell
09-28-05, 01:45 AM The PGTF version has almost nothing to do with abjuration whatsoever, and you would be better off going plain wiz with that build, loss of 3 schools is just too painful.

You don't specialize, so you lose only one school. There is a good reason one of the requirements for Incantatrix remains that you can't have lost access to the school of abjurations. The theme of the class is still protection spells. That's why most of the abilities (and best uses of abilities) focus on improving existing persistant spell effects (which means usually abjurations).
X-Codes
09-28-05, 01:48 AM The PGTF version has almost nothing to do with abjuration whatsoever, and you would be better off going plain wiz with that build, loss of 3 schools is just too painful.

Theres a string of 3 feats in Lost Kingdoms that "un-forbids" a school of magic. Considering how many feats Incantatrix builds have, thats not too bad.
Paido
09-28-05, 07:40 AM Theres a string of 3 feats in Lost Kingdoms that "un-forbids" a school of magic. Considering how many feats Incantatrix builds have, thats not too bad.

Yes, but since I need three more feats for the Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil at the 10th lvl, this is hardly an option.
Dragon
09-28-05, 01:08 PM I hope that these links will be helpful. Both threads appear on this board.

1. Here is a link to the Abjuration Guide (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=478153)
2. Here is a link to another thread about Abjurors (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=495465)
Paido
09-28-05, 10:18 PM I hope that these links will be helpful. Both threads appear on this board.

1. Here is a link to the Abjuration Guide (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=478153)
2. Here is a link to another thread about Abjurors (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=495465)

Wow... so much information... I like the guide very much... :)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Paido 09-26-05, 11:58 PM	I'm not sure it is the right thread for this but here I go. I'm building a wizard caracter for a new adventure. I wish to try some kind of Dwarven Abjurer but if the feats requirement require it, human abjurer could be possible. Also, the DM allowed me the use of Unearthed arcana feats tweaks (meaning I can pick a negative feat to get one more) Although the adventure starts at level 1, I plan to aim at the "Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil" prestige class from the Complete Arcane. Since that PC requires 12 ranks, my 10th level should be the Initiate one. Now, I'm looking for a potential prestige class for levels 6 to 9 that would still fit the requirements of the Initiate. Any ideas ?
Mistwell 09-27-05, 12:38 AM	Incantatrix (Player's Guide to Faerun) is mostly about being an abjurer, and is very good. Entry at level 6.
runestar 09-27-05, 02:39 AM	The PGTF version has almost nothing to do with abjuration whatsoever, and you would be better off going plain wiz with that build, loss of 3 schools is just too painful.
sornet 09-27-05, 05:48 AM	Combine Geometer (Complete Arcana, pg. 39) with IoSV.
Paido 09-27-05, 07:55 AM	The PGTF version has almost nothing to do with abjuration whatsoever, and you would be better off going plain wiz with that build, loss of 3 schools is just too painful. But then, I could go with a plain wiz up to lvl 5 and then the PGTF Incantatrix (losing only one school)... what do you think ?
barret3b 09-27-05, 09:04 AM	While specializing would help with IoSFV reqs, you really don't have to specialize. Heck, cleche' or not, that first Wizard Substitution level is wonderful.
Ithandor 09-27-05, 10:10 AM	You could also grab a level or two in Fatespinner (need Wiz 7 to qualify). You lose nothing, easy to qualify for, and nice abilities.... I played a Wizard5/Mage of the Arcane Order2/Fatespinner2/IotSV3 up until recently, and had a blast doing it. Just my .02c Ithandor
Paido 09-27-05, 04:44 PM	Thank you for all those ideas...
runestar 09-28-05, 12:56 AM	But then, I could go with a plain wiz up to lvl 5 and then the PGTF Incantatrix (losing only one school)... what do you think ? IMO? The best wiz build if there ever was one.
Mistwell 09-28-05, 01:45 AM	The PGTF version has almost nothing to do with abjuration whatsoever, and you would be better off going plain wiz with that build, loss of 3 schools is just too painful. You don't specialize, so you lose only one school. There is a good reason one of the requirements for Incantatrix remains that you can't have lost access to the school of abjurations. The theme of the class is still protection spells. That's why most of the abilities (and best uses of abilities) focus on improving existing persistant spell effects (which means usually abjurations).
X-Codes 09-28-05, 01:48 AM	The PGTF version has almost nothing to do with abjuration whatsoever, and you would be better off going plain wiz with that build, loss of 3 schools is just too painful. Theres a string of 3 feats in Lost Kingdoms that "un-forbids" a school of magic. Considering how many feats Incantatrix builds have, thats not too bad.
Paido 09-28-05, 07:40 AM	Theres a string of 3 feats in Lost Kingdoms that "un-forbids" a school of magic. Considering how many feats Incantatrix builds have, thats not too bad. Yes, but since I need three more feats for the Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil at the 10th lvl, this is hardly an option.
Dragon 09-28-05, 01:08 PM	I hope that these links will be helpful. Both threads appear on this board. 1. Here is a link to the Abjuration Guide (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=478153) 2. Here is a link to another thread about Abjurors (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=495465)
Paido 09-28-05, 10:18 PM	I hope that these links will be helpful. Both threads appear on this board. 1. Here is a link to the Abjuration Guide (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=478153) 2. Here is a link to another thread about Abjurors (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=495465) Wow... so much information... I like the guide very much... :)