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Abrupt Jaunt [Archive] - Wizards Community

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AllistairAldred
11-09-06, 12:33 AM I had a flash of insight thumbing through the PHB:2. However i am at a lack for how to ececute it. With a quickened dimension door, a dimension door, and Abrupt jaunt, you are staring down three full attacks in a round. The problem i run into is making the build playable at all levels, due to the Hefty Costs of the Telflammar Shadowlord prestige class. Best idea i have had so far is 1 Rogue/1Spellthief/7 Wizard/Telflammar Shadowlord 4/XX. The problems inherent in that aforementioned build are obvious. Lack of feat choices, and AWFUL base attack. Any input would be much appreciated, I have access to most all books save minds eye. I do not own complete mage, but i do have access to it. Thanks :)

-AllistairAldred
PhoenixInferno
11-09-06, 12:58 AM There's a reserve feat in Complete Mage that lets you short-range teleport (5' I think) as long as you have a spell with the [Teleport] descriptor prepared. A 4 level dip into TSL is enough to get you Shadow Pounce. Getting the neccessary skills shouldn't be TOO hard. Let's see if we can make this work...

Human
Rogue 1 Able Learner, TWF
Human Paragon 1
Wizard 1 Weapon Focus (Dagger)
Human Paragon 2 Practiced Spellcaster
Human Paragon 3
Daggerspell Mage 1 Dodge
DSM 2
DSM 3
DSM 4 Mobility
DSM 5
DSM 6
DSM 7 Spring Attack
DSM 8
DSM 9
DSM 10 Blind-Fight
Arcane Trickster 1
TSL 1
TSL 2 Dimensional Jaunt
TSL 3
TSL 4

I guess it could be done theoretically, but the payoff is pretty late. I'm out 7 caster levels, my BAB is screwed, and I had to eat a WHOLE mess of feats for prereqs that don't synergize. Ah well, it was worth a shot. Maybe someone can clean this up some?
saru
11-09-06, 01:32 AM another option is to use crinti shadow marauder instead of TSL.

But i have a question :
dimension door spell description specificaly states that you can’t take any other actions until your next turn.
shadow pounce allows you to make a full attack after you are teleported (using dimension door, teleport, abrupt jaunt, shadow walk, ...).

So we shouldn't be able to cast a spell (even quickened) after the dimension door.
You cast dimension door, make the full attack and end of turn. No quickened dimension door, no abrupt jaunt unless you're using it during opponent's turn.
PhoenixInferno
11-09-06, 01:36 AM Dimensional Jaunt has no such limitation :)
Bill Bisco: Average Adventurer
11-09-06, 09:34 AM Take a minor peek at the thread that I recently made. It might give you some ideas.
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=735662

A good trick is to take Swordsage at 9th. This should give you the necessary skills to enter Shadowlord, also you'll get Assassin's Stance which will give you the necessary 2d6 sneak attack that you need.

So let's see we could get Wizard 5/whatever 3/ Swordsage 1/ Shadowlord 4

1: dodge, mobility
3: Spring Attack
6: Blind-fight
9: *Free*

Very nice and clean :) Or you could take Able Learner at 1st level to help with skill acquisition.
PhoenixInferno
11-09-06, 11:15 AM A good trick is to take Swordsage at 9th. This should give you the necessary skills to enter Shadowlord, also you'll get Assassin's Stance which will give you the necessary 2d6 sneak attack that you need. Whoa.

Gnome
Illusionist 1 Spell Focus (Illusion)
Illusionist 2
Illusionist 3 Dodge
Master Specialist 1 Skill Focus (Spellcraft)
Master Specialist 2
Master Specialist 3 Greater Spell Focus, Mobility
Master Specialist 4 Minor School Esoterica
Shadowcraft Mage 1
Shadowcraft Mage 2 Spring Attack
Swordsage 1
Jade Phoenix Mage 1
Jade Phoenix Mage 2 Blind Fight
Telflammar Shadowlord 1
Telflammar Shadowlord 2
Telflammar Shadowlord 3 Dimensional Jaunt
Telflammar Shadowlord 4

You could play around with this some more, but I thought I crammed a lot of goodies into this.
AllistairAldred
11-09-06, 11:52 AM Ill have to Wait until i can peak at my friends comlete mage. What book is dimensional jaunt in, and what book are the fey feats in?

-Josho
PhoenixInferno
11-09-06, 11:58 AM Dimensional Jaunt is in Complete Mage
AllistairAldred
11-09-06, 12:11 PM There are a few spells in PHB II, Dimension Hop, and Dimension Step that do not have the limitation of dimension door, as well, second and third level, respectively. I just woke up so im still trying to catch up on everything that was posted last night XD.

-Josho
*R*
11-09-06, 01:36 PM A good trick is to take Swordsage at 9th. This should give you the necessary skills to enter Shadowlord, also you'll get Assassin's Stance which will give you the necessary 2d6 sneak attack that you need.Unfortunately, the 1st level of Swordsage cannot net you Assassin's Stance, without feats. As per CustServ (and RAW), the 1st level of any of the Martial Adept base classes only gives 1st level stances.

Swordsage 2 will do it though, or the aforementioned Martial Study + Martial Stance.
Epicweaver
11-09-06, 02:42 PM I had a flash of insight thumbing through the PHB:2. However i am at a lack for how to ececute it. With a quickened dimension door, a dimension door, and Abrupt jaunt, you are staring down three full attacks in a round. The problem i run into is making the build playable at all levels, due to the Hefty Costs of the Telflammar Shadowlord prestige class. Best idea i have had so far is 1 Rogue/1Spellthief/7 Wizard/Telflammar Shadowlord 4/XX. The problems inherent in that aforementioned build are obvious. Lack of feat choices, and AWFUL base attack. Any input would be much appreciated, I have access to most all books save minds eye. I do not own complete mage, but i do have access to it. Thanks :)

-AllistairAldred
Abrupt Jaunt costs an immediate action to use...
Quickened Dimensional Door costs a swift action to use...

I don't believe you can use both in the same round.
Bill Bisco: Average Adventurer
11-09-06, 03:51 PM Unfortunately, the 1st level of Swordsage cannot net you Assassin's Stance, without feats. As per CustServ (and RAW), the 1st level of any of the Martial Adept base classes only gives 1st level stances.

Swordsage 2 will do it though, or the aforementioned Martial Study + Martial Stance.
Ah, that's a good point to make. When it says that I think it's obvious the the author is assuming that you're not multiclassing into Swordsage later. I think most Dms would be fine with it though. Gah, I don't think they'll ever make an eratta for ToB though.
AllistairAldred
11-09-06, 09:51 PM Abrupt Jaunt costs an immediate action to use...
Quickened Dimensional Door costs a swift action to use...

I don't believe you can use both in the same round.

You cant, but at this point the ToB maneuvers are being used to teleport not Dimension Door.

-AllistairAldred
AllistairAldred
11-09-06, 10:02 PM I saw the Blink Shirt from MoI, and my eyes widened, perhaps to soon, would this qualify the dimension door prerequisite of the Telflammar Shadowlord pre-reqs?
AllistairAldred
11-10-06, 05:41 PM Bump!

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
AllistairAldred 11-09-06, 12:33 AM	I had a flash of insight thumbing through the PHB:2. However i am at a lack for how to ececute it. With a quickened dimension door, a dimension door, and Abrupt jaunt, you are staring down three full attacks in a round. The problem i run into is making the build playable at all levels, due to the Hefty Costs of the Telflammar Shadowlord prestige class. Best idea i have had so far is 1 Rogue/1Spellthief/7 Wizard/Telflammar Shadowlord 4/XX. The problems inherent in that aforementioned build are obvious. Lack of feat choices, and AWFUL base attack. Any input would be much appreciated, I have access to most all books save minds eye. I do not own complete mage, but i do have access to it. Thanks :) -AllistairAldred
PhoenixInferno 11-09-06, 12:58 AM	There's a reserve feat in Complete Mage that lets you short-range teleport (5' I think) as long as you have a spell with the [Teleport] descriptor prepared. A 4 level dip into TSL is enough to get you Shadow Pounce. Getting the neccessary skills shouldn't be TOO hard. Let's see if we can make this work... Human Rogue 1 Able Learner, TWF Human Paragon 1 Wizard 1 Weapon Focus (Dagger) Human Paragon 2 Practiced Spellcaster Human Paragon 3 Daggerspell Mage 1 Dodge DSM 2 DSM 3 DSM 4 Mobility DSM 5 DSM 6 DSM 7 Spring Attack DSM 8 DSM 9 DSM 10 Blind-Fight Arcane Trickster 1 TSL 1 TSL 2 Dimensional Jaunt TSL 3 TSL 4 I guess it could be done theoretically, but the payoff is pretty late. I'm out 7 caster levels, my BAB is screwed, and I had to eat a WHOLE mess of feats for prereqs that don't synergize. Ah well, it was worth a shot. Maybe someone can clean this up some?
saru 11-09-06, 01:32 AM	another option is to use crinti shadow marauder instead of TSL. But i have a question : dimension door spell description specificaly states that you can’t take any other actions until your next turn. shadow pounce allows you to make a full attack after you are teleported (using dimension door, teleport, abrupt jaunt, shadow walk, ...). So we shouldn't be able to cast a spell (even quickened) after the dimension door. You cast dimension door, make the full attack and end of turn. No quickened dimension door, no abrupt jaunt unless you're using it during opponent's turn.
PhoenixInferno 11-09-06, 01:36 AM	Dimensional Jaunt has no such limitation :)
Bill Bisco: Average Adventurer 11-09-06, 09:34 AM	Take a minor peek at the thread that I recently made. It might give you some ideas. http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=735662 A good trick is to take Swordsage at 9th. This should give you the necessary skills to enter Shadowlord, also you'll get Assassin's Stance which will give you the necessary 2d6 sneak attack that you need. So let's see we could get Wizard 5/whatever 3/ Swordsage 1/ Shadowlord 4 1: dodge, mobility 3: Spring Attack 6: Blind-fight 9: Free Very nice and clean :) Or you could take Able Learner at 1st level to help with skill acquisition.
PhoenixInferno 11-09-06, 11:15 AM	A good trick is to take Swordsage at 9th. This should give you the necessary skills to enter Shadowlord, also you'll get Assassin's Stance which will give you the necessary 2d6 sneak attack that you need. Whoa. Gnome Illusionist 1 Spell Focus (Illusion) Illusionist 2 Illusionist 3 Dodge Master Specialist 1 Skill Focus (Spellcraft) Master Specialist 2 Master Specialist 3 Greater Spell Focus, Mobility Master Specialist 4 Minor School Esoterica Shadowcraft Mage 1 Shadowcraft Mage 2 Spring Attack Swordsage 1 Jade Phoenix Mage 1 Jade Phoenix Mage 2 Blind Fight Telflammar Shadowlord 1 Telflammar Shadowlord 2 Telflammar Shadowlord 3 Dimensional Jaunt Telflammar Shadowlord 4 You could play around with this some more, but I thought I crammed a lot of goodies into this.
AllistairAldred 11-09-06, 11:52 AM	Ill have to Wait until i can peak at my friends comlete mage. What book is dimensional jaunt in, and what book are the fey feats in? -Josho
PhoenixInferno 11-09-06, 11:58 AM	Dimensional Jaunt is in Complete Mage
AllistairAldred 11-09-06, 12:11 PM	There are a few spells in PHB II, Dimension Hop, and Dimension Step that do not have the limitation of dimension door, as well, second and third level, respectively. I just woke up so im still trying to catch up on everything that was posted last night XD. -Josho
R 11-09-06, 01:36 PM	A good trick is to take Swordsage at 9th. This should give you the necessary skills to enter Shadowlord, also you'll get Assassin's Stance which will give you the necessary 2d6 sneak attack that you need.Unfortunately, the 1st level of Swordsage cannot net you Assassin's Stance, without feats. As per CustServ (and RAW), the 1st level of any of the Martial Adept base classes only gives 1st level stances. Swordsage 2 will do it though, or the aforementioned Martial Study + Martial Stance.
Epicweaver 11-09-06, 02:42 PM	I had a flash of insight thumbing through the PHB:2. However i am at a lack for how to ececute it. With a quickened dimension door, a dimension door, and Abrupt jaunt, you are staring down three full attacks in a round. The problem i run into is making the build playable at all levels, due to the Hefty Costs of the Telflammar Shadowlord prestige class. Best idea i have had so far is 1 Rogue/1Spellthief/7 Wizard/Telflammar Shadowlord 4/XX. The problems inherent in that aforementioned build are obvious. Lack of feat choices, and AWFUL base attack. Any input would be much appreciated, I have access to most all books save minds eye. I do not own complete mage, but i do have access to it. Thanks :) -AllistairAldred Abrupt Jaunt costs an immediate action to use... Quickened Dimensional Door costs a swift action to use... I don't believe you can use both in the same round.
Bill Bisco: Average Adventurer 11-09-06, 03:51 PM	Unfortunately, the 1st level of Swordsage cannot net you Assassin's Stance, without feats. As per CustServ (and RAW), the 1st level of any of the Martial Adept base classes only gives 1st level stances. Swordsage 2 will do it though, or the aforementioned Martial Study + Martial Stance. Ah, that's a good point to make. When it says that I think it's obvious the the author is assuming that you're not multiclassing into Swordsage later. I think most Dms would be fine with it though. Gah, I don't think they'll ever make an eratta for ToB though.
AllistairAldred 11-09-06, 09:51 PM	Abrupt Jaunt costs an immediate action to use... Quickened Dimensional Door costs a swift action to use... I don't believe you can use both in the same round. You cant, but at this point the ToB maneuvers are being used to teleport not Dimension Door. -AllistairAldred
AllistairAldred 11-09-06, 10:02 PM	I saw the Blink Shirt from MoI, and my eyes widened, perhaps to soon, would this qualify the dimension door prerequisite of the Telflammar Shadowlord pre-reqs?
AllistairAldred 11-10-06, 05:41 PM	Bump!