Advice for 10th level archer [Archive] - Wizards Community

Advice for 10th level archer [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Amni
12-18-06, 09:48 PM Hey all,

I’m about to start playing in 10th level campaign and am playing an archer. This is what I have so far and would appreciate any advice.

Fighter 2 – scout 5 – order of the bow initiate 3

Race – elf

Stats
Str 16
Dex 20
Con 14
Int 10
Wis 12
Cha 8

Base attack 12/7

Attack - +17/+12 with +1 shocking composite (+3) long bow (1d8+4)

Damage for one attack with 10ft of movement is 1d8+4+2d6+2d8 for OFTB

Saves

Fort +9
Reflex +18
Will +8

AC 24 (+1 with 10ft movement) +6 Mith chain shirt +6 dex +one amulet of natural armor + 1 ring of protection
Thomas_Covenant
12-18-06, 10:02 PM Hmm.....might help to see feats, but the build needs serious work.

At level 10, Ranger6/Rogue4 would be a better overall Archer, and a full-fledged skill monkey besides.
I honestly don't like the Scout, but if you choose that, get Improved Manyshot so you can get it multiple times with a standard action.

The 1st level Ranger spell "Arrow Mind" (Spell Compendium) is an immediate action spell that is simply better than OotBI's only good ability, Close Combat Shot.
Pearls of Power are 1k gold each for first level spells, buy a few.

I'd swap Str and Int, I don't see anything in this build that uses Str.

Yeah, I think you've got a ways to go here, keep at it.
ksbsnowowl
12-18-06, 10:04 PM I’m about to start playing in 10th level campaign... Fighter 2 – scout 5 – order of the bow initiate 3...
Base attack 12/7That's impossible. You cannot have a Base Attack Bonus higher than your HD (aside from the possiblity of some obscure magical ability I haven't heard of).

Your BAB is +8 (also granting an iterative attack at BAB +3)

Adding in your Dex that becomes +13/+8

Your +1 bow makes it +14/+9

What feats do you have or do you plan on taking. There are at least the minimum required to enter OotBI. Care to list the feats you are planning on?

The 3.5 Order of the Bow Initiate is a rather poor class. You'd be better served diverting into Highland Stalker if you want to focus on single shots. OotBI can be good for a 2-level dip though.
ksbsnowowl
12-18-06, 10:08 PM I'd swap Str and Int, I don't see anything in this build that uses Str.His composite longbow uses it for bonus damage.
Necromas
12-18-06, 11:32 PM Deadeye Shot + Sneak Attack gets you more damage then Skirmish, and you can still use things like manyshot with it.
Thomas_Covenant
12-19-06, 12:36 AM His composite longbow uses it for bonus damage.Granted....but there's no synergy there.
I'm seeing three good scores for an Archer, I don't understand how Strength justifies being one of those three.

Oops...you've triggered the 20% multiclass penalty, bad juju.
Elf could get favored class Ranger, there's usually a subrace that does in every campaign world.

If you're committed to this focus for an archer build, do a full progression with feats, at a minimum.
Amni
12-19-06, 10:00 AM oops, I forgot the feats. I took all the per-recs for OFTB and deft shot.

Yes, I have the 16 STR for my bow.

hehe, yeah, I dont know how i got my BAB so high. It is +14-+9 using Dex (8-3 +6)

I do like the scout class for its RP ability. Im not that kind of play that just plays state blocks. I like my character is have personality. That was also the reason for OFTB, it fit the character.

I didn’t think it was to bad. I mean if I move and am within 30ft my damage is 1d8 +5 +326 +2d8. so 20-30ish is the nom for damage.
Timlagor
12-19-06, 11:40 AM At tenth level an archer should be doing considerably more damage each round.
Remember that you're not helping the party in any way but damage -you have to excel in that area.

Get Improved Manyshot (or whatever it's called from XPH) to allow you to score precision with all your manyshot arrows and you'll be ok again.

Strength is essential for archery: if you swap your Atrtibutes at all I'd consider 20Str and 16 Dex (does depend on how strong a bow you can get of course).
Thomas_Covenant
12-19-06, 01:47 PM I do like the scout class for its RP ability. Im not that kind of play that just plays state blocks. I like my character is have personality. That was also the reason for OFTB, it fit the character.

I didn’t think it was to bad. I mean if I move and am within 30ft my damage is 1d8 +5 +326 +2d8. so 20-30ish is the nom for damage.30 Damage is not good at level 10, by any stretch.
For an archer focus, it's honestly quite bad for a Ftr10, Rng10, Cle10, seriously.

Post a full build, it'll be much easier to evaluate.
Goat Face
12-19-06, 02:55 PM Get Improved Manyshot (or whatever it's called from XPH) to allow you to score precision with all your manyshot arrows and you'll be ok again.

Forgive my ignorance, but what is the XPH?
Number_Nine
12-19-06, 04:06 PM Expanded Psionics Handbook. If you don't have access to this book pretty much everything in here is in the SRD.

Edit: Oh and that feat is called greater manyshot.
Goat Face
12-19-06, 04:23 PM Expanded Psionics Handbook. If you don't have access to this book pretty much everything in here is in the SRD.

Edit: Oh and that feat is called greater manyshot.

Thanks!

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Amni 12-18-06, 09:48 PM	Hey all, I’m about to start playing in 10th level campaign and am playing an archer. This is what I have so far and would appreciate any advice. Fighter 2 – scout 5 – order of the bow initiate 3 Race – elf Stats Str 16 Dex 20 Con 14 Int 10 Wis 12 Cha 8 Base attack 12/7 Attack - +17/+12 with +1 shocking composite (+3) long bow (1d8+4) Damage for one attack with 10ft of movement is 1d8+4+2d6+2d8 for OFTB Saves Fort +9 Reflex +18 Will +8 AC 24 (+1 with 10ft movement) +6 Mith chain shirt +6 dex +one amulet of natural armor + 1 ring of protection
Thomas_Covenant 12-18-06, 10:02 PM	Hmm.....might help to see feats, but the build needs serious work. At level 10, Ranger6/Rogue4 would be a better overall Archer, and a full-fledged skill monkey besides. I honestly don't like the Scout, but if you choose that, get Improved Manyshot so you can get it multiple times with a standard action. The 1st level Ranger spell "Arrow Mind" (Spell Compendium) is an immediate action spell that is simply better than OotBI's only good ability, Close Combat Shot. Pearls of Power are 1k gold each for first level spells, buy a few. I'd swap Str and Int, I don't see anything in this build that uses Str. Yeah, I think you've got a ways to go here, keep at it.
ksbsnowowl 12-18-06, 10:04 PM	I’m about to start playing in 10th level campaign... Fighter 2 – scout 5 – order of the bow initiate 3... Base attack 12/7That's impossible. You cannot have a Base Attack Bonus higher than your HD (aside from the possiblity of some obscure magical ability I haven't heard of). Your BAB is +8 (also granting an iterative attack at BAB +3) Adding in your Dex that becomes +13/+8 Your +1 bow makes it +14/+9 What feats do you have or do you plan on taking. There are at least the minimum required to enter OotBI. Care to list the feats you are planning on? The 3.5 Order of the Bow Initiate is a rather poor class. You'd be better served diverting into Highland Stalker if you want to focus on single shots. OotBI can be good for a 2-level dip though.
ksbsnowowl 12-18-06, 10:08 PM	I'd swap Str and Int, I don't see anything in this build that uses Str.His composite longbow uses it for bonus damage.
Necromas 12-18-06, 11:32 PM	Deadeye Shot + Sneak Attack gets you more damage then Skirmish, and you can still use things like manyshot with it.
Thomas_Covenant 12-19-06, 12:36 AM	His composite longbow uses it for bonus damage.Granted....but there's no synergy there. I'm seeing three good scores for an Archer, I don't understand how Strength justifies being one of those three. Oops...you've triggered the 20% multiclass penalty, bad juju. Elf could get favored class Ranger, there's usually a subrace that does in every campaign world. If you're committed to this focus for an archer build, do a full progression with feats, at a minimum.
Amni 12-19-06, 10:00 AM	oops, I forgot the feats. I took all the per-recs for OFTB and deft shot. Yes, I have the 16 STR for my bow. hehe, yeah, I dont know how i got my BAB so high. It is +14-+9 using Dex (8-3 +6) I do like the scout class for its RP ability. Im not that kind of play that just plays state blocks. I like my character is have personality. That was also the reason for OFTB, it fit the character. I didn’t think it was to bad. I mean if I move and am within 30ft my damage is 1d8 +5 +326 +2d8. so 20-30ish is the nom for damage.
Timlagor 12-19-06, 11:40 AM	At tenth level an archer should be doing considerably more damage each round. Remember that you're not helping the party in any way but damage -you have to excel in that area. Get Improved Manyshot (or whatever it's called from XPH) to allow you to score precision with all your manyshot arrows and you'll be ok again. Strength is essential for archery: if you swap your Atrtibutes at all I'd consider 20Str and 16 Dex (does depend on how strong a bow you can get of course).
Thomas_Covenant 12-19-06, 01:47 PM	I do like the scout class for its RP ability. Im not that kind of play that just plays state blocks. I like my character is have personality. That was also the reason for OFTB, it fit the character. I didn’t think it was to bad. I mean if I move and am within 30ft my damage is 1d8 +5 +326 +2d8. so 20-30ish is the nom for damage.30 Damage is not good at level 10, by any stretch. For an archer focus, it's honestly quite bad for a Ftr10, Rng10, Cle10, seriously. Post a full build, it'll be much easier to evaluate.
Goat Face 12-19-06, 02:55 PM	Get Improved Manyshot (or whatever it's called from XPH) to allow you to score precision with all your manyshot arrows and you'll be ok again. Forgive my ignorance, but what is the XPH?
Number_Nine 12-19-06, 04:06 PM	Expanded Psionics Handbook. If you don't have access to this book pretty much everything in here is in the SRD. Edit: Oh and that feat is called greater manyshot.
Goat Face 12-19-06, 04:23 PM	Expanded Psionics Handbook. If you don't have access to this book pretty much everything in here is in the SRD. Edit: Oh and that feat is called greater manyshot. Thanks!