Advice making a manipulator [Archive] - Wizards Community

Advice making a manipulator [Archive] - Wizards Community

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ToxicWiz
11-10-06, 11:08 AM I am planning to make a very manipulative character. we have a standard point build (25) and we are starting level 3. I was thinking of going Telepath X/ Thrallherd 10 eventually. my books are listed in my sig, and those are the ones i can use. probably of evil alignment too.

My plan is to manipulate anyone, and everyone. i would like to build it so i wouldn't have to fight at all if possible. I thought being able to change shape would help alot. I explained this concept to my DM and he would allow me to start as a Doppelganger, but with no class levels to begin with.

So, what classes should I be taking to do well? are there any suggestions on race? pretty much any suggestions are welcome.

Thanks for taking the time to read my post! suggestions?
dokesa
11-10-06, 03:20 PM The PHB 2 has the beguiler. Gnomes get a bonus to illusion spells. Illusions could replace shapechanging somewhat. As a caster, you want to stay away from non-LA creatures. A doppelganger will set you back with 4 HD and +4 LA. I would recommend changeling with a level of mindbender, but you don't have those sourcebooks.

I haven't done psionics, so I can't comment on that.
GaffeR
11-10-06, 03:46 PM Changeling might be a better option if you want some shape changing abilities. Metamorphosis is a more powerful option. Of course, Meta is probly more useful inside combat.

Tele/Thrallherd is a damn fine manipulator. Make sure to grab a couple of those DC boosting feats (can't recall the name). Also, make sure you can kill stuff you can't charm/dominate somehow (Astral constructs, your thralls, energy/crystal powers, etc).

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ToxicWiz 11-10-06, 11:08 AM	I am planning to make a very manipulative character. we have a standard point build (25) and we are starting level 3. I was thinking of going Telepath X/ Thrallherd 10 eventually. my books are listed in my sig, and those are the ones i can use. probably of evil alignment too. My plan is to manipulate anyone, and everyone. i would like to build it so i wouldn't have to fight at all if possible. I thought being able to change shape would help alot. I explained this concept to my DM and he would allow me to start as a Doppelganger, but with no class levels to begin with. So, what classes should I be taking to do well? are there any suggestions on race? pretty much any suggestions are welcome. Thanks for taking the time to read my post! suggestions?
dokesa 11-10-06, 03:20 PM	The PHB 2 has the beguiler. Gnomes get a bonus to illusion spells. Illusions could replace shapechanging somewhat. As a caster, you want to stay away from non-LA creatures. A doppelganger will set you back with 4 HD and +4 LA. I would recommend changeling with a level of mindbender, but you don't have those sourcebooks. I haven't done psionics, so I can't comment on that.
GaffeR 11-10-06, 03:46 PM	Changeling might be a better option if you want some shape changing abilities. Metamorphosis is a more powerful option. Of course, Meta is probly more useful inside combat. Tele/Thrallherd is a damn fine manipulator. Make sure to grab a couple of those DC boosting feats (can't recall the name). Also, make sure you can kill stuff you can't charm/dominate somehow (Astral constructs, your thralls, energy/crystal powers, etc).