Advice needed for Opportunist build [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Detrix

01-30-07, 02:53 PM
Hi, I have a character that I would like to play as a combat opportunist. Currently I have him speced out to level 20, and was wondering what you felt would improve him.

Ideally I would like to do massive dps, and not get hit. By massive I mean every time an opponent does something, I hit him.

This is what I have so far (It's an actual character, so it has a base of 8 ECL.)

ECL Type Name BAB Fort Reflex Will
1 Class Swordsage 0 0 2 2
2 Class Rogue 0 0 2 0
3 Class Rogue 1 0 1 0
4 Template Shadow 0 0 0 0
5 Template Shadow 0 0 0 0
6 Class Swordsage 1 0 1 1
7 Class Rogue 1 1 0 1
8 Class Ninja 0 0 2 0

This is where the character currently is. Past this is planned progression

ECL Type Name BAB Fort Reflex Will
9 Class Ninja 1 0 1 0
10 Class Swordsage 1 1 0 0
11 Class Fighter 1 2 0 0
12 Class Fighter 1 1 0 0
13 Class Swordsage 1 0 1 1
14 Class Thief Acrobat 0 0 2 0
15 Class Swordsage 0 0 0 0
16 Class Thief Acrobat 1 0 1 0
17 Class Thief Acrobat 1 1 0 1
18 Class Swordsage 1 1 1 1
19 Class Thief Acrobat 1 0 1 0
20 Class Thief Acrobat 0 0 0 0

Each time I level in sword sage, I will be able to select a new manuver from the next highest level.

My feats and abilities are:
1 Combat Expertise 1 HD Feat
1 Improved Disarm Human Feat
1 Weapon Focus (Shadow Weapons) SS Ability
2 Vulnerable Flaw
2 Shadow Strike Flaw Feat
3 Weapon Finess 3 HD Feat
3 Evasion Rogue Ability
6 Light Sensitivity Flaw
6 Backstab Flaw Feat
8 Ki Power Ninja Ability
8 Item Familiar 6 HD Feat
9 Ghost Step Ninja Ability
11 Canny Oppertunist 9 HD Feat
11 Exploit Adjustment Fighter Feat
12 Improved Combat Reflexes Fighter Feat
14 Fast Acrobatics Thief Acrobat Ability
14 Kip Up Thief Acrobat Ability
14 Steady Stance Thief Acrobat Ability
14 Power Attack 12 HD Feat
16 Agil Fighting Thief Acrobat Ability
16 Slow Fall Thief Acrobat Ability
17 Acrobatic Charge Thief Acrobat Ability
17 Defensive Roll Thief Acrobat Ability
17 Leap Attack 15 HD Feat
19 Skill Mastery Thief Acrobat Ability
20 Improved Evasion Thief Acrobat Ability
20 Greater Combat Reflexes 18 HD Feat

Special Qualities:
Darkvision 60' Template
Low-light Vision Template
Shadow Blend (total concealment 50%) Template
Fast Healing 2 Template
Cold Resistance 23 Template

Playstyle:
Currently I play him with the Island of Blades stance, and standing next to our parties tank. Which means every one of our moves are considered flanking (when adjacent to something), and I get sneak attacks for them.

When I get the levels of ninja, I will have Ghost walk, so I can use that, then attack. When they do anything they will provoke attacks of oppertunity, and I will exploit them.

I'd like to work in Evasive Reflexes in there some how.

What do you think, and what would you change (past the initial 8 levels)
Detrix

01-30-07, 02:55 PM
Thank you for taking the time to look.
Detrix

02-06-07, 02:04 PM
Any comments or suggestions?
Detrix

02-12-07, 10:54 AM
He leveled this weekend, so he has that first level of Ninja.

Thanks for looking.
PhaedrusXY

02-12-07, 10:58 AM
I thought you had to take Flaws (and their associated feats) at first level.
Bopple

02-12-07, 11:06 AM
1. What are Exploit Adjustment, Canny Opportunist and Greater Combat Reflexes?
I have never heard of them.
Improved Combat Reflexes is an epic feat.

2. You are losing too much BAB. BAB12 on 20th lvl? Way too low.

3. As for an opportunist build, I'd say Robilar's Gambit is a must-have.
And Deft Opportunist and Expert Tactician are good.
Detrix

02-12-07, 02:07 PM
I thought you had to take Flaws (and their associated feats) at first level.

UA said you can take a flaw when ever you level.

1. What are Exploit Adjustment, Canny Opportunist and Greater Combat Reflexes?
I have never heard of them.
Improved Combat Reflexes is an epic feat.

2. You are losing too much BAB. BAB12 on 20th lvl? Way too low.

3. As for an opportunist build, I'd say Robilar's Gambit is a must-have.
And Deft Opportunist and Expert Tactician are good.

EA, CO, and GCR come from Dragon Magazine 340.

EA summarized = Opponent provokes attack on a 5' step
CO = Opponent provokes attack on drawing weapon, shield, etc...
GCR = Take two attacks with AoO
(Which came out after 3.5)

12 BAB, but +21 to hit, without magic weapons (and only gloves of dex +2). Nearly every attack you make is sneak attack, so it's 2D4+3D6+8 for damage (Non magic weapon)

Full round attack (3attacks, +21/16/11 to hit, or a +31/25 disarm/trip) could do (102hp) Then you get a free attack anytime the opponent does anything. (Potentially 6 more, from standard, move, and 5foot step - each giving 2 attacks +21/+16 to hit)

In one round, you could do 306 damage.

For the 20th level weapon, you could have
Enhancement Bonus +1
Shadow Strike +3 (Ignore DR based off material)
Sure Strike +1 (Ignore DR based off alignment)
Deadly Precision +2 (+2D6 sneak)
Axiomatic (+2D6 to chaotic)
Ability Shadowhand (+3 to hit while in a shadow stance or manuver)

Weapon alone could do +4 to hit, +24 damage to each attack. Disregard Damage reduction based off alignment, or material. (For an additional 216 damage in a 9 attack round)
Bopple

02-12-07, 02:15 PM
Do you seriously think +25 attack roll at 20th lvl is good enough?
CR20 monsters have 35~40 AC.
And pretty bunch of high lvl monsters and characters are immune to critical and sneak attack.
Detrix

02-12-07, 03:41 PM
Do you seriously think +25 attack roll at 20th lvl is good enough?
CR20 monsters have 35~40 AC.
And pretty bunch of high lvl monsters and characters are immune to critical and sneak attack.

So what do you think is adequate? What suggestions do you think need be made? While I thank you for the reply, stating issues with nothing to better them gives me nothing but a feeling I have a bad character.

You mentioned two feats, but what do I drop?
Bopple

02-12-07, 07:21 PM
You have too many medium BAB classes.
Why on earth you have rogue, ninja, thief acrobat in one pack?
Drop rogue, ninja and thief acrobat altogether. Just stick with swordsage.
Perhaps 4 lvls of rogue or ninja only.
It'd change alot.