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Vince 12-19-03, 07:41 PM	Can i please get some advice for creating a 32 point buy cleric using 3.5 PHB only. Feats and Domains too please :) I am currently considering: Human Any Good Alignment Str 12 Dex 10 Con 14 Int 10 Wis 15 Cha 16 Combat Casting, not sure on bonus feat (imp turning maybe) God i can create so i have flexability with Domains. Sun, Travel, War, magic, luck all look interesting. Undead can be a pain so im thinking of focusing the char on that but im not sure how much undead will be in the campaign. Skills: Concentration 4 ranks Knowledge Religion 4 Ranks Diplomacy 4 Ranks
Ahnehnois 12-20-03, 08:30 AM	I would consider using lower dex and charisma scores in exchange for something else. If you take the war domain and go for a cleric who can fight, you don't need wis maxed but you do want more strength. If you want a spellcasting support cleric, up the wis as high as possible for bonus spells.
pawsplay 12-20-03, 11:14 AM	Swap Cha and Wis and take Cha down to 14 and put the extra points in Str. If you want to focus on undead, take Improved Turning and Extra Turning, and Iron Will and Great Fortitude when you get the chance. Get 5 ranks of Knowledge (religion) at 2nd level, and take Sun as a Domain. Luck is always handy, but really, any Domain is handy.
Vince 12-20-03, 07:02 PM	Thanks for the advice. Item Creation feats worth taking, also are the low reflax saves going to be a problem?
Lord Likk 12-20-03, 08:36 PM	i'd say craft wondrous will serve you best, but craft magic arms and armor may prove quite useful. what it really comes down to is how easily you can get items you want. if your dm hands them to you whenever your in town at market price, then both of these are significantly less useful. if you have lots of trouble finding a +1 longsword, then you're definitely going to want these feats.
Baron Phylos 12-20-03, 10:05 PM	Don't bother with Combat Casting at all, it's pretty worthless compared to other feats.
epchristi 12-20-03, 11:14 PM	I would lower cha to 14, up wis to 16 and put the rest in str. I think you want the extra spells regardless of being a spell casting cleric or melee. If you want a melee-build cleric, I would pick Kord. Get great-sword weapon focus for free. I would pick Luck and Strength as domains. The re-roll once per day is very cool, and the strength ability is pretty good too. Using enlarge at first level, your greatsword does tremendous damage.. goes from 2d6 (19-20 crit range) -> 3d6 when enlarged Other feats you will want over time.. Power Attack (two handed weapon gets 1:2 ratio) Divine Might if you get a bit higher CHA over time (DoF) Extended Spell Persistent Spell (ToB) (or quicken spell) You can do serious damage with a sword.. if that is what sounds interesting to you.
AustrianOak 12-20-03, 11:25 PM	epchristi, Divine Might is not in 3.5 PHB, but in defenders of the faith and complete warrior. I love it, but its splat. Also, Kord doesnt have the war domain...so no free weapon focus, and crap your not proficient with the great sword either. Note...Vince if you are allowed to use Complete Warrior do so and keep a high charisma.
epchristi 12-21-03, 12:30 AM	I know, I posted the books in parenthesis. I did miss that Vince requested 3.5phb only. My apologies. I was incorrect about the weapon, too.. that's what I get for not having a book handy and knowing all of page 108. ;) Though I still think it's not a bad idea.. as the great sword is a fantastic weapon when enlarged.. and does a tremendous amount of damage for the single feat required to take it. You could take.. Weapon Proficiency-- Great Sword at 1st level. Power Attack-- (or other feat, but the +1 for weapon focus won't be as important at later levels when you can use a quickened divine power and righteous might.) Thanks for correcting me.. despite the ego hit. ;) Drop persistent, because that's a splat book as well.. but quicken spell is a good replacement. Good quickened spells over time become: Shield of Faith Divine Favor Divine Power Righteous Might Good extended spells, if you take that feat are Greater Magic Weapon Magic Vestments (sword) Which allow the spells to last all day at 12th level.
AustrianOak 12-21-03, 10:27 AM	no problem ep, didnt mean to bruise the ego. Proficiency greatsword is a pretty good idea, I actually took fighter 1 before advancing my cleric, good for the short run, but regreting it now.
Vince 12-21-03, 05:15 PM	thanks for all the input, i spoke with my DM and it turns out he will allow all WoTC books just no regional stuff, of course he can veto anything tho.
AustrianOak 12-22-03, 02:13 PM	vince, if you are still looking for a melee cleric, take a look at Tempus.