agony and souls [Archive] - Wizards Community

agony and souls [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Psynaps12321
03-14-06, 11:13 PM I am running a warlock thats about to hit 12th lvl and will be making alot of items, and I was trying to think about ways that I would not have to spend my own XP, I know I could make a thought bottle and make every thing I wanted then restore my XP minus the 500... but I am trying to be nicer to my DM then that.. I was thinking of useing agony and souls as power for XP I figure if I use a goblin throw him in a iron maden turn the sitting on two and use enough items on him I can get 6 viles of agony and kill him to get his soul. so 28xp saved right there but that cost ALOT of gold to do... I think I remember an easier way to get agony really fast but not sure... any ideas on how to get TONS of it or possibly a better way to shove the XP cost off and NOT make my DM too mad, or ways to make him mad doing it if thats all you know of....

edit reason for the goblin is 1 HD, means 1000gp gems for soul trap... but like I said any help even if not with a goblin is much appreciated... thanks
K
03-15-06, 02:29 AM Uh, Ok.

Liquid pain(Agony) can be made with Alchemy or bought on the open market: check the Book of Vile Darkness for the GP cost(200GP) and Alchemy check(25) under Drugs. Basically, you are exchanging gold for XP, a deal which is completely favorable in all circumstances, since gold is easy to get at mid-levels.

Souls can be captured in a piece of thinaun, a metal from the Complete Warrior. With a minimal investment, you can capture souls in thinuan created using Major Creation, which makes magical metals, or just buy a dagger made out of thinaun; its the soul you use to make items, not the dagger, so the dagger is reusable. Buy a dozen or more smaller items, since size doesn't affect soul-taking ability.

Magic Jar is also a cheap way to steal souls if you are making items which require only a day to make(8 hours). Since anyone can harvest magic items for full XP and half GP of price to make other items, you can make a bunch of crap items, then burn them to make a big item.

Lastly, lets not forget ritual sacrifice for Dark Craft XP. Its no even hard to use a Sadism/Fireball combo on a herd of chickens for a single Sacrifice roll high enough to grant Wishes(free item of an cost) or very high amounts of Dark Craft XP.

My only question is: why? Due to the CR system for XP rewards, you get more XP for being a level behind your peers, meaning in a net sense, magic item creation is free of XP cost.

And finally, lets face it: this is rules abuse. Your DM will not approve it.
deathwishjoe
03-15-06, 03:30 AM lokiyn had a very interesting way of obtaining alot of liquid pain. it involved a few magical items and a small day spa business. with the day spa business you use a chair with a pain extractor atached to it. the client then attaches the nipple clamps of exquisit pain and have them stare at a perminant symbol of pain. the pain turns to pleasure so they enjoy it emmensly and you not only get paid for extracting their liquid pain but get large ammounts of liquid pain in the process. start your day spa in the city and give out free vouchers to a few famous and important people and let the good times roll.

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Psynaps12321 03-14-06, 11:13 PM	I am running a warlock thats about to hit 12th lvl and will be making alot of items, and I was trying to think about ways that I would not have to spend my own XP, I know I could make a thought bottle and make every thing I wanted then restore my XP minus the 500... but I am trying to be nicer to my DM then that.. I was thinking of useing agony and souls as power for XP I figure if I use a goblin throw him in a iron maden turn the sitting on two and use enough items on him I can get 6 viles of agony and kill him to get his soul. so 28xp saved right there but that cost ALOT of gold to do... I think I remember an easier way to get agony really fast but not sure... any ideas on how to get TONS of it or possibly a better way to shove the XP cost off and NOT make my DM too mad, or ways to make him mad doing it if thats all you know of.... edit reason for the goblin is 1 HD, means 1000gp gems for soul trap... but like I said any help even if not with a goblin is much appreciated... thanks
K 03-15-06, 02:29 AM	Uh, Ok. Liquid pain(Agony) can be made with Alchemy or bought on the open market: check the Book of Vile Darkness for the GP cost(200GP) and Alchemy check(25) under Drugs. Basically, you are exchanging gold for XP, a deal which is completely favorable in all circumstances, since gold is easy to get at mid-levels. Souls can be captured in a piece of thinaun, a metal from the Complete Warrior. With a minimal investment, you can capture souls in thinuan created using Major Creation, which makes magical metals, or just buy a dagger made out of thinaun; its the soul you use to make items, not the dagger, so the dagger is reusable. Buy a dozen or more smaller items, since size doesn't affect soul-taking ability. Magic Jar is also a cheap way to steal souls if you are making items which require only a day to make(8 hours). Since anyone can harvest magic items for full XP and half GP of price to make other items, you can make a bunch of crap items, then burn them to make a big item. Lastly, lets not forget ritual sacrifice for Dark Craft XP. Its no even hard to use a Sadism/Fireball combo on a herd of chickens for a single Sacrifice roll high enough to grant Wishes(free item of an cost) or very high amounts of Dark Craft XP. My only question is: why? Due to the CR system for XP rewards, you get more XP for being a level behind your peers, meaning in a net sense, magic item creation is free of XP cost. And finally, lets face it: this is rules abuse. Your DM will not approve it.
deathwishjoe 03-15-06, 03:30 AM	lokiyn had a very interesting way of obtaining alot of liquid pain. it involved a few magical items and a small day spa business. with the day spa business you use a chair with a pain extractor atached to it. the client then attaches the nipple clamps of exquisit pain and have them stare at a perminant symbol of pain. the pain turns to pleasure so they enjoy it emmensly and you not only get paid for extracting their liquid pain but get large ammounts of liquid pain in the process. start your day spa in the city and give out free vouchers to a few famous and important people and let the good times roll.