All good things must come to an end. [Archive] - Wizards Community

All good things must come to an end. [Archive] - Wizards Community

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LordShade
06-06-04, 05:36 AM It's been a good run, but sadly, all good things must come to an end.

I have noticed, as more and more 3.5 stuff gets released, a lot of my classic builds are becoming defunct. Bob the Necromancer and the Munchking, among others, are no longer viable because of changes to Master of Shrouds and the Puppeteer, respectively. I heard that with the changes to the Shugenja in CD, even my original fighter/mage/cleric build might not work anymore. I suppose this is a good thing - some of these builds were pretty abusive, and in any case, other good stuff has come up to take their place (ie, the king of smack.)

The Munchking is now, as far as I can tell, beyond all hope. Since the Puppeteer is now a magical beast instead of a vermin, the symbiotic template no longer works. Some people have made heroic attempts to save Bob by substituting Contemplative for MoS, but while legal according to the rules as written, it seems a stretch according to the "spirit" of the rules (more of my thoughts on this in the other thread (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=252566)).

Even though the TN trick is harder to pull off now, Ur-Priest remains a strong option for characters wanting to play mage/priests. Some people have been wondering how I meet the bluff requirements for Ur-Priest. I keep forgetting to mention this when I respond to posts or emails about the build, but the key is to use Scorpion Clan Human from OA as your race. They get Bluff as a class skill in exchange for Rogue as their favored class.

Wiz5/Pale Master1/Ur-Priest2/MT8/PrC4 still works, and in fact increases your wizard caster level by 1 over the previous build. If your DM will allow contemplative you could try

Wiz5/PM1/UP2/MT7/Cont1/PrC3, for essentially the same setup as before (but minus a couple domains).

But off of optimization, and onto a more personal note.

As I said, all good things must come to an end... and sadly that includes my tenure on the minmax boards, at least for the time being. Not only have I finally come to the realization that my D&D days are probably over for good (I'm moving in the fall), but I'll be traveling the far corners of the world for the next three months. I don't expect to have access to reliable or speedy Internet service during that time. However, when I travel, I like to send emails to friends about what I'm up to. I consider many of you friends, even though we've never met, and I look forward to staying in touch. If you'd like to hear from me, send an email to lordshade@softhome.net and I'll add you to my mailing list.

I wish you all the best in your efforts to make DMs cry, and I hope to see many dazzling displays of your min-max fu in three months. Happy gaming!
Keldar
06-06-04, 07:09 AM /Salute
Your insight bonuses will be missed ;)

Good speed to you!
:bow: :king:
Neonsamurai
06-06-04, 07:43 AM Good bye! And good three months for you ;o)
Grim Sage
06-06-04, 08:39 AM You will be missed...

have fun in the real world :)
Averien
06-06-04, 09:12 AM You will be missed, but only because I never took far shot.
mean_liar
06-06-04, 09:21 AM Much respect, LordShade, and thanks for sharing.

:king:
matbot
06-07-04, 12:42 AM Good luck in your travels! If you get the chance drop us a post every now and then :>
Funny Slaughter
06-07-04, 04:56 AM thats LordShade.
announces:
All good things must come to an end.
and talks about Ur-Priests, True Necromancers...

see the addition to my sig i did inspired by this.

i wish you a pleasant journey and hope we will see you back in a few months, full of inpiration for a new munchking!

gs
Funny
Ramses III
06-07-04, 05:23 AM May the sun always shine on your face and the wind always be at your back. Your wit, temperance and intelligence will be missed. Best wishes-- Ramses
boytbpc
06-07-04, 08:39 AM Don't worry about being in the 'far-corners of the world', its round. By the way, I've met more english speaking gamers in China than I ever did in Texas, or the U.S. in general. So have no fear, we are everywhere.
Snow Savant
06-07-04, 10:24 AM Oh my. :(

A bittersweet farewell, LordShade. At least it sounds like your near horizon will be fun and full of adventure.

I've said it before and I will say it again, your Min/Max Fu is Strong. Strong as in CO Forum "Hall of Fame" Strong. ;) Somewhere, somehow though, I sense you'll return in some capacity. Maybe to lurk, maybe to create, maybe to spruce up Bob one last time and wheel him out to show off to a new generation of wild-eyed Optimizers. But hell, just drop by to say "Hey!" if you can, down the road perhaps. I will indeed send you an e-mail.

Travel safe!

Respectfully,
Snow Savant
jensun
06-07-04, 02:25 PM Good luck and good bye, I wish you well in whatever you choose to do but I dont doubt that you will be back eventually...:)
rilem
06-07-04, 02:37 PM The King of Smack is a fine and fitting parting gift for the board; many thanks for that and all the other monstrosities you've inflicted upon unwary DMs (and players, too). Good luck and have fun in your travels.
guarnasco
06-07-04, 02:44 PM Much respect, LordShade, and thanks for SHADING :)

where in the world u will not find an internet connection???????

i mean even during gulf war 2 there were guys typing from the iraqui targ... cityes
Qflash
06-07-04, 03:40 PM Lordshade,
I will miss the posts and amazing ideas....you have shed new light where i have been lost.
THank your for the Wolverineish: king of Smack.
It is awesome!
good luck and hope to here from you on this board again soon!

Q

have fun....!

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
LordShade 06-06-04, 05:36 AM	It's been a good run, but sadly, all good things must come to an end. I have noticed, as more and more 3.5 stuff gets released, a lot of my classic builds are becoming defunct. Bob the Necromancer and the Munchking, among others, are no longer viable because of changes to Master of Shrouds and the Puppeteer, respectively. I heard that with the changes to the Shugenja in CD, even my original fighter/mage/cleric build might not work anymore. I suppose this is a good thing - some of these builds were pretty abusive, and in any case, other good stuff has come up to take their place (ie, the king of smack.) The Munchking is now, as far as I can tell, beyond all hope. Since the Puppeteer is now a magical beast instead of a vermin, the symbiotic template no longer works. Some people have made heroic attempts to save Bob by substituting Contemplative for MoS, but while legal according to the rules as written, it seems a stretch according to the "spirit" of the rules (more of my thoughts on this in the other thread (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=252566)). Even though the TN trick is harder to pull off now, Ur-Priest remains a strong option for characters wanting to play mage/priests. Some people have been wondering how I meet the bluff requirements for Ur-Priest. I keep forgetting to mention this when I respond to posts or emails about the build, but the key is to use Scorpion Clan Human from OA as your race. They get Bluff as a class skill in exchange for Rogue as their favored class. Wiz5/Pale Master1/Ur-Priest2/MT8/PrC4 still works, and in fact increases your wizard caster level by 1 over the previous build. If your DM will allow contemplative you could try Wiz5/PM1/UP2/MT7/Cont1/PrC3, for essentially the same setup as before (but minus a couple domains). But off of optimization, and onto a more personal note. As I said, all good things must come to an end... and sadly that includes my tenure on the minmax boards, at least for the time being. Not only have I finally come to the realization that my D&D days are probably over for good (I'm moving in the fall), but I'll be traveling the far corners of the world for the next three months. I don't expect to have access to reliable or speedy Internet service during that time. However, when I travel, I like to send emails to friends about what I'm up to. I consider many of you friends, even though we've never met, and I look forward to staying in touch. If you'd like to hear from me, send an email to lordshade@softhome.net and I'll add you to my mailing list. I wish you all the best in your efforts to make DMs cry, and I hope to see many dazzling displays of your min-max fu in three months. Happy gaming!
Keldar 06-06-04, 07:09 AM	/Salute Your insight bonuses will be missed ;) Good speed to you! :bow: :king:
Neonsamurai 06-06-04, 07:43 AM	Good bye! And good three months for you ;o)
Grim Sage 06-06-04, 08:39 AM	You will be missed... have fun in the real world :)
Averien 06-06-04, 09:12 AM	You will be missed, but only because I never took far shot.
mean_liar 06-06-04, 09:21 AM	Much respect, LordShade, and thanks for sharing. :king:
matbot 06-07-04, 12:42 AM	Good luck in your travels! If you get the chance drop us a post every now and then :>
Funny Slaughter 06-07-04, 04:56 AM	thats LordShade. announces: All good things must come to an end. and talks about Ur-Priests, True Necromancers... see the addition to my sig i did inspired by this. i wish you a pleasant journey and hope we will see you back in a few months, full of inpiration for a new munchking! gs Funny
Ramses III 06-07-04, 05:23 AM	May the sun always shine on your face and the wind always be at your back. Your wit, temperance and intelligence will be missed. Best wishes-- Ramses
boytbpc 06-07-04, 08:39 AM	Don't worry about being in the 'far-corners of the world', its round. By the way, I've met more english speaking gamers in China than I ever did in Texas, or the U.S. in general. So have no fear, we are everywhere.
Snow Savant 06-07-04, 10:24 AM	Oh my. :( A bittersweet farewell, LordShade. At least it sounds like your near horizon will be fun and full of adventure. I've said it before and I will say it again, your Min/Max Fu is Strong. Strong as in CO Forum "Hall of Fame" Strong. ;) Somewhere, somehow though, I sense you'll return in some capacity. Maybe to lurk, maybe to create, maybe to spruce up Bob one last time and wheel him out to show off to a new generation of wild-eyed Optimizers. But hell, just drop by to say "Hey!" if you can, down the road perhaps. I will indeed send you an e-mail. Travel safe! Respectfully, Snow Savant
jensun 06-07-04, 02:25 PM	Good luck and good bye, I wish you well in whatever you choose to do but I dont doubt that you will be back eventually...:)
rilem 06-07-04, 02:37 PM	The King of Smack is a fine and fitting parting gift for the board; many thanks for that and all the other monstrosities you've inflicted upon unwary DMs (and players, too). Good luck and have fun in your travels.
guarnasco 06-07-04, 02:44 PM	Much respect, LordShade, and thanks for SHADING :) where in the world u will not find an internet connection??????? i mean even during gulf war 2 there were guys typing from the iraqui targ... cityes
Qflash 06-07-04, 03:40 PM	Lordshade, I will miss the posts and amazing ideas....you have shed new light where i have been lost. THank your for the Wolverineish: king of Smack. It is awesome! good luck and hope to here from you on this board again soon! Q have fun....!