Alter Self spell and Giant subtype [Archive] - Wizards Community

Alter Self spell and Giant subtype [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
MegaPlex
01-04-04, 12:35 AM A Half-Ogre is of the giant subtype, thus a Half-Ogre caster with the Alter Self spell could turn into any 5HD giant.

Are there any 5HD giant creatures besides Ogre and Ogre Mage?
creepy drifter
01-07-04, 03:29 AM Ice troll - Unapproachable East.
Eagle Prince
01-07-04, 03:32 AM Overall I think Monstrous Humanoid has the best Alter Self selections, if there's any easy way to get monstrous humanoid type.
Funny Slaughter
01-07-04, 11:11 AM feral

gs
Funny
Balthanon
01-07-04, 12:16 PM Originally posted by MegaPlex
A Half-Ogre is of the giant subtype, thus a Half-Ogre caster with the Alter Self spell could turn into any 5HD giant.

Are there any 5HD giant creatures besides Ogre and Ogre Mage?

Fensir (though all it really gets you is Rock Throwing)

Half-Trolls (the only way I would allow this is using Alter Self to apply the template to yourself temporarily [+4 NA, 2 claws, bite, and rend; potentially a swim speed through half-scarag], but it technically opens up a bunch of alternate forms)
Snow Savant
01-07-04, 12:26 PM Balthanon has a good point. The way I interpret the Alter Self wording is that you *can* use templates that give you the final form of what your character type is. Which of course, means if you are Tiefling or Aasimar, not only do you get the amazing selection of *legal* outsider forms to chose from, but now you can "alter self" into a ton of other creatures using the myriad amount of templates that convert you into an outsider. And we're talking a permutation set of hundreds of legal creature forms.

Really makes being humanoid rather ... blah. :bored:
Vorpal Warhammer
01-07-04, 12:43 PM Originally posted by Snow Savant
Balthanon has a good point. The way I interpret the Alter Self wording is that you *can* use templates that give you the final form of what your character type is. Which of course, means if you are Tiefling or Aasimar, not only do you get the amazing selection of *legal* outsider forms to chose from, but now you can "alter self" into a ton of other creatures using the myriad amount of templates that convert you into an outsider. And we're talking a permutation set of hundreds of legal creature forms.

Really makes being humanoid rather ... blah. :bored: From the SRD under Alter Self:You cannot take the form of any creature with a template, even if that template doesn’t change the creature type or subtype.So there's no worry about that potential abuse.
Balthanon
01-07-04, 02:43 PM Originally posted by Vorpal Warhammer
From the SRD under Alter Self:So there's no worry about that potential abuse.

I thought I recalled seeing that earlier actually, but when I was looking through the spell in the book to double check my response earlier I couldn't pick it out. I did find it just now though on looking a second time.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
MegaPlex 01-04-04, 12:35 AM	A Half-Ogre is of the giant subtype, thus a Half-Ogre caster with the Alter Self spell could turn into any 5HD giant. Are there any 5HD giant creatures besides Ogre and Ogre Mage?
creepy drifter 01-07-04, 03:29 AM	Ice troll - Unapproachable East.
Eagle Prince 01-07-04, 03:32 AM	Overall I think Monstrous Humanoid has the best Alter Self selections, if there's any easy way to get monstrous humanoid type.
Funny Slaughter 01-07-04, 11:11 AM	feral gs Funny
Balthanon 01-07-04, 12:16 PM	Originally posted by MegaPlex A Half-Ogre is of the giant subtype, thus a Half-Ogre caster with the Alter Self spell could turn into any 5HD giant. Are there any 5HD giant creatures besides Ogre and Ogre Mage? Fensir (though all it really gets you is Rock Throwing) Half-Trolls (the only way I would allow this is using Alter Self to apply the template to yourself temporarily [+4 NA, 2 claws, bite, and rend; potentially a swim speed through half-scarag], but it technically opens up a bunch of alternate forms)
Snow Savant 01-07-04, 12:26 PM	Balthanon has a good point. The way I interpret the Alter Self wording is that you can use templates that give you the final form of what your character type is. Which of course, means if you are Tiefling or Aasimar, not only do you get the amazing selection of legal outsider forms to chose from, but now you can "alter self" into a ton of other creatures using the myriad amount of templates that convert you into an outsider. And we're talking a permutation set of hundreds of legal creature forms. Really makes being humanoid rather ... blah. :bored:
Vorpal Warhammer 01-07-04, 12:43 PM	Originally posted by Snow Savant Balthanon has a good point. The way I interpret the Alter Self wording is that you can use templates that give you the final form of what your character type is. Which of course, means if you are Tiefling or Aasimar, not only do you get the amazing selection of legal outsider forms to chose from, but now you can "alter self" into a ton of other creatures using the myriad amount of templates that convert you into an outsider. And we're talking a permutation set of hundreds of legal creature forms. Really makes being humanoid rather ... blah. :bored: From the SRD under Alter Self:You cannot take the form of any creature with a template, even if that template doesn’t change the creature type or subtype.So there's no worry about that potential abuse.
Balthanon 01-07-04, 02:43 PM	Originally posted by Vorpal Warhammer From the SRD under Alter Self:So there's no worry about that potential abuse. I thought I recalled seeing that earlier actually, but when I was looking through the spell in the book to double check my response earlier I couldn't pick it out. I did find it just now though on looking a second time.