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Alternate Wizard Request [Archive] - Wizards Community

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necrosnoop110
07-17-04, 10:10 AM Any good Template/Race (any WotC source) or tricked out Savage Species builds for an optimized Wizard other than a Black Ethergaunt? There seems to be a few options for a Sorcerer (e.g. Sylph, White Dragonspawn, etc.) but is the Black Ethergaunt the only good option for a Wizard?
necrosnoop110
07-19-04, 10:13 AM Anybody ... :D
CompleteSatori
07-19-04, 11:17 AM Hiya Necro, Black Ethergaunt? Lol I haven't even heard of that creature... As far as god Wizzy templates, theres actually a great Wizard/Cleric/Sorcerer template in the XPH, you want to make your Wizzy a Phrenic person. (Psi) abilities that rock, a power point, +2 Int/Wis and +4 Charisma, and you get to choose Psionic Feats! Awesome eh?
SolitudeSeraph
07-19-04, 11:26 AM Black Ethergaunt is a monster from Fiend Folio and they cast spells like a 17th level wizard..
samoosa691
07-19-04, 11:52 AM half fiends make excelent wizards..., +4 to int and then being possessed by a demond grants another +4 to int, netting you a total +8 to int for a mere la +4 (you get a whack of other special abilities too.)

wotc has a savage progression for the half fiend template. Then there's the lich, can heal himself without any worries and even if he dies he comes back as long as his life force still exists. Hope this helps!, cheers
necrosnoop110
07-19-04, 12:30 PM What's the LA on Phrenic? Got a build?
SolitudeSeraph
07-19-04, 12:40 PM Phrenic is LA +2 for only +2 int..you might as well go Tiefling if you want that.. (since psionic feats aren't anything to call home about) but you do get some cool psionic abilities
roguebfl
07-19-04, 01:48 PM OA has the Vanara +2 int+2wis -2 str

onfortynet Dragon #318 recomends removing all ther stat adjustments.
CompleteSatori
07-19-04, 03:09 PM Originally posted by SolitudeSeraph
Phrenic is LA +2 for only +2 int..you might as well go Tiefling if you want that.. (since psionic feats aren't anything to call home about) but you do get some cool psionic abilities

SS, I totally disagree with your assertion that Tiefling is as good as Phrenic!

Here is what you get for +2LA (essentially 15k xp with buyoff):

-Naturally Psionic, you get 1 PP (Good for access to Psionic Feats if you want them).

-Power Resistance of 10 +level! (Good in a transparent world, thats Spell Resistance 10 +level).

-Bonus Stats = Int +2, Wis +2, Cha +4

1-2 Defensive Precog (3/day), Force Screen 1/day
3-4 Mind Thrust (3/day)
5-6 Brain Lock (1/day)
7-8 Psionic Blast (1/day)
9-10 Intellect Fortress (3/day), Psychic Crush (1/day)
11-12 Psionic Dominate (1/day)
13-14 Energy Current (1/day), Tower of Iron Will (1/day)
15-16 Psionic Teleport (3/day)
17-18 Fission (1/day)
19-20 Ultrablast (1/day)

Now you try to tell me that Tiefling is that good!
necrosnoop110
07-19-04, 03:21 PM Phrenic sounds interesting but I am not all that familiar with Psionic stuff, does Power Resistance work against both spells & psionics or just one or the other? What’s the deal?

Thanks,
Everybody
CompleteSatori
07-19-04, 03:49 PM Yes, Necro, PR and SR are the same thing in the default settings of all of the pre-created worlds (Greyhawk, Faerun, Kalamar), so theres one question answered, now heres a rundown of each of the powers so you have an idea what you are getting into.

First of all, your HD is your caster level for Dispel checks, and SR/PR for all of these powers, and Charisma is the stat associated with them.

1-2 Defensive Precog (3/day- Personal, 1 minute/level, +1 Insight Bonus to AC and Saves), Force Screen (1/day- Shield spell)

3-4 Mind Thrust (3/day- Close range, d10 damage Will/SR)

5-6 Brain Lock (1/day- Medium range, Concentration +1 round, subject is Dazed, Will/SR)

7-8 Psionic Blast (1/day- 30ft Cone, stun all for 1 round, Will/SR)

9-10 Intellect Fortress (3/day- Immediate action, 20' radius Spread, all allies take 1/2 damage or ability damage from ANY powers or spells, 1 round duration), Psychic Crush (1/day- Close Range, Target goes to -1 and dying, Will partial/SR)

11-12 Psionic Dominate (1/day- As Dominate the spell)

13-14 Energy Current (1/day- Close range, 2 creatures, Concentration 1 round/level, 9d6 and 1/2 to second target for duration of Power -Fire/Cold/Electricity/Sonic damage- Reflex OR Fort every round/ SR), Tower of Iron Will (1/day- Immediate Action, 10' radius emanation, SR 19 to all for 1 round vs Mind Affecting powers/Spells)

15-16 Psionic Teleport (3/day- As Teleport the spell)
17-18 Fission (1/day- Split yourself in half, with both of you sharing spellpool, etc)
19-20 Ultrablast (1/day- 15' radius spread 13d6 damage Will half/SR)
PhoenixInferno
07-19-04, 06:37 PM Just as with the Feral template, the abilities bestowed by the Phrenic template depend on racial HD, not total HD. So a 1 HD Jermaline only gets the first level abilities.
CompleteSatori
07-20-04, 03:27 PM I disagree, Phoenix, and I think that 3.5 does as well.

In 3.5 the Half Celestial gains cumulative abilities, based on the creatures HD, where the entry under Feral specifically says Monster HD which we read as Racial HD. The entries of Half Celestial and Phrenic say HD, not Racial HD, so they are cumulative, as stated in the text of those abilities. The only Caveat for Phrenic is that the creature cannot have the (Psionic) subtype before it becomes Phrenic, and as we are looking for Wizzy templates, that is not at issue.
CompleteSatori
07-20-04, 04:04 PM Bump this biatch! Why aren't you frontpage news?
PhoenixInferno
07-20-04, 10:16 PM Oooohhh...reading...my bad.

I'll fly with it because its the Rules As Written(TM), but it doesn't make sense to me logically. I mean, why would some templates grant powers based on character level and some not? To me, I guess a Feral character would be able to tap more and more into his wild nature as he gains experience. It seems like a strange exception.
carnivore
07-20-04, 10:30 PM PhoenixInferno i agree with you as i also believe it makes no sense.i really dont see the problem with allowing a character with the feral template to increase his abilities as he increases his HD,since that is the goal anyways ,to increase your own abilities.
character classes already do this.

i admit it would be a little over powered but there are other templates that are far more broken than this.

back to the question at hand.

try lessr Feytouched(LA 0) and 1lvl in 1/2 fey transition class, and you can be both phrenic and white dragonspawn all for the low,..low price of +3LA!!!!! with the LA buy off LA 0 at 18th lvl but full caster lvl and spl progression.................for a sorceror that is.
SolitudeSeraph
07-20-04, 11:09 PM Satori,

I'm not a big fan of taking templates if you're a primary spellcaster and would rather go with the less LA (for the same +2 int..since he's focusing on wizard) and give up the psionic stuff (which I'm not a big fan off) so it's all comes down to 3,000 xp or 15,000xp for myself (and psionic feats aren't that good for a wizard anyway)

That's just my opinion though...

(on a side note..I share my dming with a few other people and we decided to not allow LA buyoff for stuff that improves over the levels...like example..a shadow-walker gains spells determined by its level and whatnot...so that's another reason for me to dislike the phrenic template :D )
Sentient
07-21-04, 08:14 AM Originally posted by samoosa691
half fiends make excelent wizards..., +4 to int and then being possessed by a demond grants another +4 to int, netting you a total +8 to int for a mere la +4 (you get a whack of other special abilities too.)

wotc has a savage progression for the half fiend template. Then there's the lich, can heal himself without any worries and even if he dies he comes back as long as his life force still exists. Hope this helps!, cheers
New to this, huh? Sorry bud, but it ain't worth it for all the wings, natural armor, and bonus feats in the world. 4 caster levels is always better. Always.
CompleteSatori
07-21-04, 10:59 AM Originally posted by SolitudeSeraph
Satori,

I'm not a big fan of taking templates if you're a primary spellcaster and would rather go with the less LA (for the same +2 int..since he's focusing on wizard) and give up the psionic stuff (which I'm not a big fan off) so it's all comes down to 3,000 xp or 15,000xp for myself (and psionic feats aren't that good for a wizard anyway)

SS, I would agree totally, if it were not for LA buyoff, and its accesibility in his campaign. To me, I would rather lag behind a little in the beginning, yet gain access to the stat bonus' and the SR/PR that Phrenic grants. Even better is the Psionic Teleport you get at later levels...
samoosa691
07-21-04, 12:31 PM Originally posted by Sentient
New to this, huh? Sorry bud, but it ain't worth it for all the wings, natural armor, and bonus feats in the world. 4 caster levels is always better. Always.

i'm not new to this, i'm playing a half fiend wizard and it works out beautifully even with the la of +4... and if caster level is always important why is he asking for a template then?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
necrosnoop110 07-17-04, 10:10 AM	Any good Template/Race (any WotC source) or tricked out Savage Species builds for an optimized Wizard other than a Black Ethergaunt? There seems to be a few options for a Sorcerer (e.g. Sylph, White Dragonspawn, etc.) but is the Black Ethergaunt the only good option for a Wizard?
necrosnoop110 07-19-04, 10:13 AM	Anybody ... :D
CompleteSatori 07-19-04, 11:17 AM	Hiya Necro, Black Ethergaunt? Lol I haven't even heard of that creature... As far as god Wizzy templates, theres actually a great Wizard/Cleric/Sorcerer template in the XPH, you want to make your Wizzy a Phrenic person. (Psi) abilities that rock, a power point, +2 Int/Wis and +4 Charisma, and you get to choose Psionic Feats! Awesome eh?
SolitudeSeraph 07-19-04, 11:26 AM	Black Ethergaunt is a monster from Fiend Folio and they cast spells like a 17th level wizard..
samoosa691 07-19-04, 11:52 AM	half fiends make excelent wizards..., +4 to int and then being possessed by a demond grants another +4 to int, netting you a total +8 to int for a mere la +4 (you get a whack of other special abilities too.) wotc has a savage progression for the half fiend template. Then there's the lich, can heal himself without any worries and even if he dies he comes back as long as his life force still exists. Hope this helps!, cheers
necrosnoop110 07-19-04, 12:30 PM	What's the LA on Phrenic? Got a build?
SolitudeSeraph 07-19-04, 12:40 PM	Phrenic is LA +2 for only +2 int..you might as well go Tiefling if you want that.. (since psionic feats aren't anything to call home about) but you do get some cool psionic abilities
roguebfl 07-19-04, 01:48 PM	OA has the Vanara +2 int+2wis -2 str onfortynet Dragon #318 recomends removing all ther stat adjustments.
CompleteSatori 07-19-04, 03:09 PM	Originally posted by SolitudeSeraph Phrenic is LA +2 for only +2 int..you might as well go Tiefling if you want that.. (since psionic feats aren't anything to call home about) but you do get some cool psionic abilities SS, I totally disagree with your assertion that Tiefling is as good as Phrenic! Here is what you get for +2LA (essentially 15k xp with buyoff): -Naturally Psionic, you get 1 PP (Good for access to Psionic Feats if you want them). -Power Resistance of 10 +level! (Good in a transparent world, thats Spell Resistance 10 +level). -Bonus Stats = Int +2, Wis +2, Cha +4 1-2 Defensive Precog (3/day), Force Screen 1/day 3-4 Mind Thrust (3/day) 5-6 Brain Lock (1/day) 7-8 Psionic Blast (1/day) 9-10 Intellect Fortress (3/day), Psychic Crush (1/day) 11-12 Psionic Dominate (1/day) 13-14 Energy Current (1/day), Tower of Iron Will (1/day) 15-16 Psionic Teleport (3/day) 17-18 Fission (1/day) 19-20 Ultrablast (1/day) Now you try to tell me that Tiefling is that good!
necrosnoop110 07-19-04, 03:21 PM	Phrenic sounds interesting but I am not all that familiar with Psionic stuff, does Power Resistance work against both spells & psionics or just one or the other? What’s the deal? Thanks, Everybody
CompleteSatori 07-19-04, 03:49 PM	Yes, Necro, PR and SR are the same thing in the default settings of all of the pre-created worlds (Greyhawk, Faerun, Kalamar), so theres one question answered, now heres a rundown of each of the powers so you have an idea what you are getting into. First of all, your HD is your caster level for Dispel checks, and SR/PR for all of these powers, and Charisma is the stat associated with them. 1-2 Defensive Precog (3/day- Personal, 1 minute/level, +1 Insight Bonus to AC and Saves), Force Screen (1/day- Shield spell) 3-4 Mind Thrust (3/day- Close range, d10 damage Will/SR) 5-6 Brain Lock (1/day- Medium range, Concentration +1 round, subject is Dazed, Will/SR) 7-8 Psionic Blast (1/day- 30ft Cone, stun all for 1 round, Will/SR) 9-10 Intellect Fortress (3/day- Immediate action, 20' radius Spread, all allies take 1/2 damage or ability damage from ANY powers or spells, 1 round duration), Psychic Crush (1/day- Close Range, Target goes to -1 and dying, Will partial/SR) 11-12 Psionic Dominate (1/day- As Dominate the spell) 13-14 Energy Current (1/day- Close range, 2 creatures, Concentration 1 round/level, 9d6 and 1/2 to second target for duration of Power -Fire/Cold/Electricity/Sonic damage- Reflex OR Fort every round/ SR), Tower of Iron Will (1/day- Immediate Action, 10' radius emanation, SR 19 to all for 1 round vs Mind Affecting powers/Spells) 15-16 Psionic Teleport (3/day- As Teleport the spell) 17-18 Fission (1/day- Split yourself in half, with both of you sharing spellpool, etc) 19-20 Ultrablast (1/day- 15' radius spread 13d6 damage Will half/SR)
PhoenixInferno 07-19-04, 06:37 PM	Just as with the Feral template, the abilities bestowed by the Phrenic template depend on racial HD, not total HD. So a 1 HD Jermaline only gets the first level abilities.
CompleteSatori 07-20-04, 03:27 PM	I disagree, Phoenix, and I think that 3.5 does as well. In 3.5 the Half Celestial gains cumulative abilities, based on the creatures HD, where the entry under Feral specifically says Monster HD which we read as Racial HD. The entries of Half Celestial and Phrenic say HD, not Racial HD, so they are cumulative, as stated in the text of those abilities. The only Caveat for Phrenic is that the creature cannot have the (Psionic) subtype before it becomes Phrenic, and as we are looking for Wizzy templates, that is not at issue.
CompleteSatori 07-20-04, 04:04 PM	Bump this biatch! Why aren't you frontpage news?
PhoenixInferno 07-20-04, 10:16 PM	Oooohhh...reading...my bad. I'll fly with it because its the Rules As Written(TM), but it doesn't make sense to me logically. I mean, why would some templates grant powers based on character level and some not? To me, I guess a Feral character would be able to tap more and more into his wild nature as he gains experience. It seems like a strange exception.
carnivore 07-20-04, 10:30 PM	PhoenixInferno i agree with you as i also believe it makes no sense.i really dont see the problem with allowing a character with the feral template to increase his abilities as he increases his HD,since that is the goal anyways ,to increase your own abilities. character classes already do this. i admit it would be a little over powered but there are other templates that are far more broken than this. back to the question at hand. try lessr Feytouched(LA 0) and 1lvl in 1/2 fey transition class, and you can be both phrenic and white dragonspawn all for the low,..low price of +3LA!!!!! with the LA buy off LA 0 at 18th lvl but full caster lvl and spl progression.................for a sorceror that is.
SolitudeSeraph 07-20-04, 11:09 PM	Satori, I'm not a big fan of taking templates if you're a primary spellcaster and would rather go with the less LA (for the same +2 int..since he's focusing on wizard) and give up the psionic stuff (which I'm not a big fan off) so it's all comes down to 3,000 xp or 15,000xp for myself (and psionic feats aren't that good for a wizard anyway) That's just my opinion though... (on a side note..I share my dming with a few other people and we decided to not allow LA buyoff for stuff that improves over the levels...like example..a shadow-walker gains spells determined by its level and whatnot...so that's another reason for me to dislike the phrenic template :D )
Sentient 07-21-04, 08:14 AM	Originally posted by samoosa691 half fiends make excelent wizards..., +4 to int and then being possessed by a demond grants another +4 to int, netting you a total +8 to int for a mere la +4 (you get a whack of other special abilities too.) wotc has a savage progression for the half fiend template. Then there's the lich, can heal himself without any worries and even if he dies he comes back as long as his life force still exists. Hope this helps!, cheers New to this, huh? Sorry bud, but it ain't worth it for all the wings, natural armor, and bonus feats in the world. 4 caster levels is always better. Always.
CompleteSatori 07-21-04, 10:59 AM	Originally posted by SolitudeSeraph Satori, I'm not a big fan of taking templates if you're a primary spellcaster and would rather go with the less LA (for the same +2 int..since he's focusing on wizard) and give up the psionic stuff (which I'm not a big fan off) so it's all comes down to 3,000 xp or 15,000xp for myself (and psionic feats aren't that good for a wizard anyway) SS, I would agree totally, if it were not for LA buyoff, and its accesibility in his campaign. To me, I would rather lag behind a little in the beginning, yet gain access to the stat bonus' and the SR/PR that Phrenic grants. Even better is the Psionic Teleport you get at later levels...
samoosa691 07-21-04, 12:31 PM	Originally posted by Sentient New to this, huh? Sorry bud, but it ain't worth it for all the wings, natural armor, and bonus feats in the world. 4 caster levels is always better. Always. i'm not new to this, i'm playing a half fiend wizard and it works out beautifully even with the la of +4... and if caster level is always important why is he asking for a template then?