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canadianguy 07-18-05, 09:38 PM	Hi, I was wondering if anyone has seen this FAQ'ed. The incantrix has iron will as a prereq, it gives a +2 will save. Could you substitute in discipline form forgotton realms as it gives +2 to will save and to concentration. Has there been any officially rulings on alternatives to the requirements if the minimum is meet. I thought this would be good here as optimizing it would be beter to have disipline vs iron will if this was allowed. Thanks, Greg
Betrayer of Hope 07-18-05, 10:08 PM	There's nothing I'm aware of, and there's really no reason for there to be. Including the comparatively-weak Iron Will requirement for the generally-strong Incantatrix class is completely intentional. It isn't that the +2 Will bonus is especially important, it's a way to use precious feats as a balancing tool. As usual, DM's prerogative, but similar feats/class features/magic items are not equivalent for fulfilling RAW requirements (see my discussions of the Half-Illithid -> Illithid Savant fallacy). The syllogism: "Iron Will gives +2 Will saves. Discipline gives +2 Will saves. Iron Will = Discipline," is clearly false, which should demonstrate why one doesn't work for the other.
X-Codes 07-18-05, 10:15 PM	Yes, theres no official rule that allows substitution of feats for PrC's, although you can go and get some house-rules done. Other examples for nice sub feats for Iron Will are Strong Soul and Bullheaded. Alertness could possibly be substituted for Blooded or Forester. It would represent a unique advantage that people born from certain regions could have advancing in the PrC.
Part-Human2 07-18-05, 11:45 PM	You're thinking the Virtual Feat rule introduced in Sword & Fist (pg 5) that said if you have ability or class feature that says it's "the same as..." then it counts. I don't believe the rule made it into 3.5 though.
canadianguy 07-19-05, 09:57 AM	Hi, Thanks guys. I had thought I had seen something official about it, oh well.