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AnAverageDM 01-14-05, 11:29 AM	i'm starting a new campaign and decided to be a ranger. i then preceded to roll 17, 17, 16, 16, 14, 12 (best 3 out of 4d6). some kick ass roll. but now i don't know where to put them. any sugestions? thanks
Dain 01-14-05, 11:46 AM	I assume you want to be an archer ranger? If you're going clean ranger 2-weapon fighting is rather weak. Str 14 Dex 17 Con 17 Int 16 Wis 16 Cha 12 There you go.
Zherog 01-14-05, 11:49 AM	Some other things you can answer: -- Do you plan on going TWF or archery? -- if TWF, do you know what weapon(s) you want to use? Others will like those answered, but my arrangement probably works OK for either style: STR: 14 DEX: 17 CON: 17 INT: 16 WIS: 16 CHA: 12 If I were going the TWF route, I'd grab up weapon finesse and use a pair of shortswords. I put the 16 in INT because I love skill points - you can never have enough skill points. Charisma is certainly your "dump" stat for a ranger - but a 12 for a dump isn't bad at all. You could flip-flop strength and wisdom and have good benefits; I went that way because I like a decent Will save.
Lord Likk 01-14-05, 11:54 AM	will also help out a dual-wielder if they take swashbuckler 3. i suggest going that route, not taking weapon finesse (swashbuckler provides it at 1), and doing roughly 1d6+6 in your on hand and 1d6+5 in the other, assuming +1 weapons by lvl 5.
Dain 01-14-05, 11:59 AM	If you want more help you should post what kind of character you'd like to play. Race, melee or ranged, books allowed, etc. 'Cause I could make one hell af a Deepwarden build with those stats.
AnAverageDM 01-14-05, 12:22 PM	i am going archer and it looks like Zherog and Dain think alike. i'm also going to choose point blank shot as my first level feat (i'm have to be a half-elf, no bonus human feat). is there any other feet out there that would be better for an archer build? here are the restrections for the campaign: The following races are allowed for players: - Elf (favored class changed from Wizard to Ranger) - Gnome - Half-Elf - Halfling - Human Dwarves and Half-Orcs are specifically excluded. The following characters classes are allowed for players: - All classes in Player’s Handbook except for the Monk (cleric, fighter, wizard, etc. are allowed) - Healer (Miniatures Handbook) - Marshall (Miniatures Handbook) - Swashbuckler (Complete Warrior) - Warmage (Miniatures Handbook/Complete Arcane) In addition, the following variant classes are allowed: - Elf Paragon (Unearthed Arcana) - Gnome Paragon (Unearthed Arcana) - Half-Elf Paragon (Unearthed Arcana) - Halfing Paragon (Unearthed Arcana) - Human Paragon (Unearthed Arcana) - Bardic Sage (Unearthed Arcana)- This class is available to colonists only - Bardic Savage (Unearthed Arcana)- This class is available to natives only - Cloistered Cleric (Unearthed Arcana)- This class is available to colonists only - Urban Ranger (Unearthed Arcana)- This class is available to colonists only Special class rules: - Clerics- the domains available to the cleric depend upon whether the cleric is a colonist, native, or demi-human. The domains available by culture are: o Colonist (followers of the One God)- Good, Healing, Knowledge, Law, Magic, Protection, Trickery o Native (animism)- Air, Animal, Earth, Fire, Plant, Sun, Water o Elf- Chaos, Good, Plant, Protection, Strength, War o Gnome- Knowledge, Luck, Protection, Travel, Trickery o Halfling- Good, Healing, Luck, Plant, Protection, Travel - Wizards- wizards must specialize in a school of magic. There are no generalist wizards. The necromancy school cannot be chosen as a specialty, although characters may still learn spells from that school. Prestige Classes The following prestige classes are allowed for players: - Arcane Archer (DMG) - Arcane Trickster (DMG) - Archmage (DMG) - Dragon Disciple (DMG) - Duelist (DMG) - Dwarven Defender (DMG) - Eldritch Knight (DMG) - Hierophant (DMG) - Horizon Walker (DMG) - Loremaster (DMG) - Mystic Theurge (DMG) - Shadowdancer (DMG) - Thaumaturgist (DMG) - Argent Savant (Complete Arcane) - Elemental Savant (Complete Arcane) - Fatespinner (Complete Arcane) - Geometer (Complete Arcane) - Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil (Complete Arcane) - Seeker of the Song (Complete Arcane) - Sublime Cord (Complete Arcane) - Wildmage (Complete Arcane) - Church Inquisitor (Complete Divine) - Consecrated Harrier (Complete Divine) - Divine Crusader (Complete Divine) - Divine Oracle (Complete Divine) - Geomancer (Complete Divine) - Holy Liberator (Complete Divine) - Hospitaler (Complete Divine) - Sacred Exorcist (Complete Divine) - Seeker of the Misty Isle (Complete Divine) - Shining Blade (Complete Divine) - Stormlord (Complete Divine) - Temple Raider (Complete Divine) - War Priest (Complete Divine) - Bear Warrior (Complete Warrior) - Bladesinger (Complete Warrior) - Cavalier (Complete Warrior) - Dark Hunter (Complete Warrior) - Frenzied Berserker (Complete Warrior) - Gnome Giant Slayer (Complete Warrior) - Halfling Outrider (Complete Warrior) - Hunter of the Dead (Complete Warrior) - Justicar (Complete Warrior) - Knight of the Chalice (Complete Warrior) - Knight Protector (Complete Warrior) - Master Thrower (Complete Warrior) - Nature’s Warrior (Complete Warrior) - Occult Slayer (Complete Warrior) - Purple Dragon Knight (Complete Warrior) - Rage Mage (Complete Warrior) - Reaping Mauler (Complete Warrior) - Spellsword (Complete Warrior) - Stonelord (Complete Warrior) - War Chanter (Complete Warrior) - Bonded Summoner (Miniatures Handbook) - Havoc Mage (Miniatures Handbook) - Skullclan Hunter (Miniatures Handbook) - Tactical Soldier (Miniatures Handbook) - Battlesmith (Races of Stone) - Blade Bravo (Races of Stone) - Deepwarden (Races of Stone) - Divine Prankser (Races of Stone) - Runesmith (Races of Stone) - Shadowcraft Mage (Races of Stone) - Disciple of Thrym (Frostburn) - Frost Mage (Frostburn) - Stormsinger (Frostburn) Feats Almost all feats are allowed from all of the following books: - Player’s Handbook - Dungeon Master’s Guide (Improved Familiar only) - Complete Arcane - Complete Divine - Complete Warrior - Frostburn - Miniatures Handbook - Races of Stone However Leadership and all Psionic feats are excluded i'm screwed on PR class selections but the feat selection is pretty good.
Dain 01-15-05, 07:00 AM	Figured I'd reply - it would just be unfair if you had written all that stuff and no answers. BTW - it seems a little odd that Dwarwes are off limits and Deepwarden (but not Stoneblessed) isn't...? I'd go with Ranger 11/xxx 9. The last 9 levels could be Horizon Walker for example, or Rogue, if you're more into that. The Horizon Walker is a good PrC - gives some nice abilities. Rogue could be good for the skill points and SA. Just be sure to take the first 11 levels in Ranger. They're all good, but from level 11 and on it doesn't really improve that much.