Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Rod Howard 10-28-04, 08:07 PM	Upon obtaining the third Human Paragon level, you can improve one of your ability scores by 2. If I had an intelligence score of 14 (+2) and decide to improve it, do I get skill points BEFORE applying the change [4 + 1 (human) + 2 (intelligence)] or AFTER applying the change [4 + 1 (human) + 3 (intelligence)]? Thanks in advance.
Andaran 10-28-04, 08:22 PM	It's like a prerequisite. When you enter the level in which you take Human Paragorn 3 you have Int 14. So you get 4 + 1 (human) + 2 (intelligence) = 7 skill points. (damn late and horrible english .. I know)
nihility 10-28-04, 08:33 PM	On page 58 of the PHB, in the "advancing a level" section, class features come last. Skills are the 6th thing that you determine, while class features are the 9th, so it seems that you would not gain the benefit of the INT bonus in time to get an extra skill point for that level.
darczero 10-28-04, 09:13 PM	Ability Scores fall well before Skills on that list. Consider it just as if you had increased your Intelligence score by 1 point after gaining the necessary 4 levels to do so; you do gain the extra skill point per level from that point on.
Bacris 10-28-04, 09:24 PM	Ability Scores fall well before Skills on that list. Consider it just as if you had increased your Intelligence score by 1 point after gaining the necessary 4 levels to do so Not the same thing. The +2 to stat is from a class feature, not from an innate level up. given that it's a difference of 1 skill point, I'd say it's splitting hairs either way, but by the RAW, your class feature of +2 to any ability score comes after you get your class skills.
Funny Slaughter 10-29-04, 02:27 AM	anyhow, this is off-topic here and you better ask the question on the PHB- or similar board gs Funny