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fozzy 05-27-04, 07:55 PM	Hey everybody, was jsut wondering if anyone had any ideas for a cool finnese TWFer.... would be pretty shibby if someone had any ideas about this.... I'm looking for a TWFer that uses 2 light weps and can disarm decently just for some flavor.. so i'll be hackin away then disarm the guy and then i'll chop him again lol so like combat reflexs and such so yeah max level 20 32 point buy for stats ummmmmm starting cash for a level 20 char....and.....thats about it......oh and yeah every book but psionics and oriental... ~mucho gracias~
nullex 05-27-04, 08:06 PM	maybe a swashbuckler/fighter? you'll want a decent int (at least 13) to get combat expertise and improved disarm. so then 3 levels of swash will give you finesse for free and int to damage (since it will be at least +1 anyways), and then you can pick up a lot of bonus feats from fighter. i'll think about the full fleshed out version when i get a bit more time.
Neonsamurai 05-27-04, 08:22 PM	Swashbuckler / Fighter / Dervish is what you want. Swashbuckler gets INT to damage and free finesse, fighter to fill up on bonus feats, dervish allows you to finesse scimitars, gives bonus to damage and attack rolls, mobility, ac and lotsa attacks.
fozzy 05-27-04, 08:48 PM	ahhh not trying to go into dervish lol forgot to mention no Dervish builds... lol sorry about that ~yup yup~
fozzy 05-27-04, 09:08 PM	ahhh not trying to go into dervish lol forgot to mention no Dervish builds... lol sorry about that ~yup yup~
fozzy 05-27-04, 09:10 PM	ermmm double post...:banghead:
pawsplay 05-27-04, 09:42 PM	Human Fighter 18/Rogue 2 (nets evasion, +3 Ref, and +1d6 sneak attack damage, good for flanking) Feats: Weapon Finesse, Weapon Focus (short sword), Two-Weapon Fighting, Combat Expertise, Improved Disarm, Weapon Specialization (shortsword), Greater Weapon Focus (shortsword), Greater Weapon Specialization (shortsword), Two-Weapon Defense, Improved Two-Weapon Fighting, Greater Two-Weapon Fighting, Improved Initiative, Improved Critical (shortsword), Power Critical (shortsword), Dodge, Mobility, Iron Will, Combat Reflexes Skills: up to you, but get useful ranks in Tumbling and Use Magic Device Gear: your shortswords should be some kind of elemental burst weapons. Ghost touch is mandatory. The rest is flexible, but keen is no good. One should be cold iron and the other alchemical silver. That pretty much makes you the Madmartigan of the shortsword world.
Nifft 05-27-04, 10:11 PM	I think that Ftr4/Rogue3/InvisibleBlade5/Ftr8 is the way to go. Pick Daggers or Punching Daggers and totally focus on them. As a side benefit, you'll have a decent throwing weapon, and enough feats to be powerful in melee and ranged combat. Here's my (probably sub-optimal) 25 point-buy Human build: Str: 12, Dex: 15, Con: 13, Int: 14, Wis: 10, Cha: 8 1: Ftr1: Weapon Finesse, Quickdraw, Two-Weapon Fighting 2: Ftr1/Rog1: boost Tumble and Bluff 3: Ftr2/Rog1: Weapon Focus (Dagger), Combat Expertise 4: Ftr2/Rog2: Dex +1, Evasion 5: Ftr3/Rog2: blah 6: Ftr3/Rog3: Improved Feint 7: Ftr4/Rog3: Weapon Specialization (Dagger) 8-12: Invisible Blade, don't have Complete Warrior with me, sorry 8: Dex +1 9: Improved TWF or Improved Critical (Dagger) 12: Dex +1, the other feat from the line above :) 13-20: Fighter, so as to pick up Greater Weapon Focus / Specialization and Greater TWF. Two stat boosts save one go to Dex, the other one goes to Con (unless you find a Tome of Health +1). Sketch: 14: Ftr6/Rog3/IB5: Point-Blank Shot 15: Ftr7/Rog3/IB5: Precise Shot 16: Ftr8/Rog3/IB5: Dex +1, Greater Weapon Focus (Dagger) 18: Ftr10/Rog3/IB5: Improved Precise Shot, Greater Two-Weapon Fighting 20: Con +1 or Dex +1 (see above). Ftr12/Rog3/IB5: Greater Weapon Specialization (Dagger) Final BAB is +19/+14/+9/+4 and +19/+14/+9, with penalties and bonuses Attack +19 (BAB) +4 (19 Dex) +2 (WF/GWF) -2 (TWF), so +23 before any magic or weapon quailty bonuses apply. Damage 1d4 +1 (Str) +4 (WS/GWS) and sometimes +5d6 (Sneak Attack). And that's before magic, and before whatever other bonuses Invisible Blade grants -- sorry, I can't remember, just that it was a cool looking class for TWF finesse builds. -- N
nullex 05-27-04, 10:27 PM	Originally posted by Nifft Remember that Swashbucklers lose their extra damage when they don't have a free second hand, so they're a bad choice for TWF builds. Where does it say they lose their extra damage when they don't have a free second hand? Maybe you're thinking of Duelist and Canny Defense?
Nifft 05-27-04, 10:45 PM	Originally posted by nullex Where does it say they lose their extra damage when they don't have a free second hand? Maybe you're thinking of Duelist and Canny Defense? Ah, it's probably the Duelist's Precise Strike that I was thinking of. Sorry. (I don't have CW with me right now...) Thanks, -- N
Ramses III 05-28-04, 04:43 AM	Yeah, Insightful Strike works with any light weapon or weapon that Weapon Finesse works with. Swa/Ftr/Duellist works, but i would probably go Swa/Rgr/Due and back to Rgr to finish. Wood Elf is a good race to choose to eliminate exp penalties as Ranger is their preferred class. If you need a weapon that gives you a bonus to disarm and is light take Nunchaku. (Yes i did read your post of no OA but the weapon is core and in the PHB.) It is the only weapon i can find offhand that you can both finesse and twf with unless you take multiple levels of Master of Chains -- which might be even better for you, depending on how you want to allocate skills, BAB, etc.
nullex 05-28-04, 06:06 AM	I personally wouldn't go Duelist, since you need to wear no armor to get any (or most) of the abilities. You could go Invisible Blade to get that extra 3d6 sneak attack and free action bluff, although I'd recommend the pseudo-errated version (change of prereqs). That way, although you do get an int bonus to AC per level, the no armor qualification isn't required for all the class abilities. Beyond that, I can't really think of any other PrCs to look into. Hmmm...