Post/Author/DateTime	Post
SoulGamit 10-08-05, 08:47 PM	Not sure if anyone ever noticed this, but by taking 2 levels in paladin before becomming a bone knight and then taking 2 levels in blackguard will net you 2x your charisma bonus to saves, take hexblade 2 and you get 3x your bonus to saves against spells. Just one of those random things I found ^_^
DisposableHero_ 10-08-05, 08:52 PM	You might want to check out the X Stat to Y Bonus (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=4584975) Thread, which lists 17 ways to add your charisma to your saves.
Vestigial_Thumb 10-08-05, 09:11 PM	Speaking of the X stat to Y bonus... Corrupted Avenger is a new way to get your Charisma bonus to saves.
rilem 10-08-05, 10:04 PM	But it specifically disallows stacking multiple CHA-to-saves features from different classes. (About time WotC got around to addressing this lame tactic).
SoulGamit 10-08-05, 10:10 PM	Were's that stated?
rilem 10-08-05, 10:16 PM	From the Oct. Preview: Grim Resolve (Ex): Starting at 3rd level, you gain a bonus equal to your Charisma bonus (if any) on all saving throws. This benefit does not stack with other effects that allow you to add your Charisma bonus to saves (such as divine grace). Maybe they changed it in the printed copy; I dunno. Shame if they dropped it, though.
primetimekiller 10-09-05, 10:59 AM	yeah you cant stack the charisma bonus from paladin with the one from black guard BUT you can stack the pala bonus with the from hexblade since they are diffrent bonuses
AlienFromBeyond 10-09-05, 01:12 PM	No, actually you can stack those. He was talking about a class that specifically says it doesn't stack, because normally it would.
Khazra Reborn 10-09-05, 02:12 PM	sorry but its probaly one of the most heavily abused things around, no cha build lacks cha to saves unless its really bad... magic blooded human wendigo (buy off 3 of LA) paladin of tyranny2/hexblade3/blackguard3/assassin3/monk2/boneknight2/tatooed monk4 Feats:ascetic mage, divine might, pre-requisites & whatever else you want :P stats+ cha= 18(base)+6(racial)+6(enhance)+5(levels)+ 5(inherit)=40 BaB=16 saves ( i dont know bone knight saves so im putting them as all bad to show off that its amazing whatever):P = fort=3+3+3+1+3+1+4=18+45(cha*3)=63, 78 vs spells ref=0+1+1+3+3+1+4=13+45(cha*3)=58, 73 vs spells will=0+3+1+1+3+1+4=13+45(cha*3)=58, 73 vs spells With the bellflower tatoo as a bonus to cha, cha becomes 49, so saves become: fort=75, 94 vs. spells ref=70, 89 vs. spells will=70, 89 vs. spells The build also has cha to ac twice, so 40 AC naked! with gauntlets of heratfelt blows it also has cha to damage twice. sorry, had to show off ;)
General_Ridley 10-09-05, 05:06 PM	Paladin/Platinum Knight = 2x Charisma Anti-Paladin( or Despot or Corrupter from Dragon 312, or the corresponding evil Paladin variant in UA)/Hexblade/Balackguard = 3x cha. as long as the abilities don't say they don't stack and they have different names, its all good. (or evil)
Caelic 10-09-05, 05:34 PM	Paladin/Platinum Knight is arguably the strongest choice, because it's the one choice where the abilities explicitly say they do stack--thus, somewhat more likely to be accepted by most DMs.